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(Talking Points Memo)   John McCain, realizing the severity of the situation in Eastern Europe, calls Russia a glorified gas station. *facepalm*   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 76
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2014-03-17 12:28:58 PM
Just stop. Russia was already doing a fine job digging a hole for itself.
 
2014-03-17 12:30:42 PM
What does the famous terrorist fighter John McClane know about international matters? It's not like Russia he has any experience in Russia, well apart from that CIA thing, but really what is an international incident among friends.
 
2014-03-17 12:31:21 PM
Who was supposed to be minding Grandpa today?

It's a simple job: Keep him fed, and keep him away from microphones.
 
2014-03-17 12:32:08 PM
Thanks, Arizona!
 
2014-03-17 12:34:42 PM
To be fair, that is Russia's industry.  They have failed to diversify into anything and the country has a brain drain.  Russian stocks are off 20% because foreign industry, their only hope, doesn't trust the government.  None of this matters of course because the kind of people who vote for Putin don't own stocks.
 
2014-03-17 12:36:48 PM

Rapmaster2000: To be fair, that is Russia's industry.  They have failed to diversify into anything and the country has a brain drain.  Russian stocks are off 20% because foreign industry, their only hope, doesn't trust the government.  None of this matters of course because the kind of people who vote for Putin don't own stocks.



True.  But to be even more fair, we should expect more out of our politicians than the ramblings of an old man yelling at a cloud.
 
2014-03-17 12:38:46 PM
McCain already's been to Kiev to stand shoulder to shoulder with Ukrainian anti-semites.

rasica.files.wordpress.com

Russia used it as proof that the US was behind the uprisings and over throw of the pro-Russian Ukrainian government a couple weeks ago.

So Mr McCain, you've done enough already.  Try shutting up for once!
 
2014-03-17 12:41:30 PM
Old man yells at gas cloud
 
2014-03-17 12:43:23 PM
At least he didn't sing Back in the USSR
 
2014-03-17 12:45:35 PM
Says the senator from the state of Glorified Border Checkpoint.
 
2014-03-17 12:49:40 PM
He's not wrong. Russia's economy is highly dependent on gas exports.
 
2014-03-17 12:49:49 PM
I'm having a hard time digesting all this stupid. Sanctions will do little to Russia. Putin is several steps ahead of the West and our government morons are clueless about geopolitics, let alone Russian geopolitics.

Russia doesn't care about MICEX, they care about commodities -- you know, tangible REAL assets like national gas, gold, uranium, iron, copper, etc. If the EU really wants to push its luck, they'll find themselves with over a third of their natural gas cut off. And when they are begging for the gas valve to be turned back on, they'll have to pay a premium due to the new sky-rocketed prices thanks to their idiocy. And who cares if some oligarchs get slightly hurt by shifts in the MICEX? It's currently rallying. Ruble also. But should the Ruble go down, who cares? Russia will deal with China in Yuan, which China is more than happy to oblige and all sanctions are avoided. How do you think Iran was able to avoid sanctions? That's right, folks! COMMODITIES!!!

So sanctions won't do much. And Putin has the upper hand, since he has troops on the ground and NATO doesn't have anything there. So now what? We try to provoke global thermonuclear war over Ukraine? Seriously? Is the collective IQ of Congress and POTUS even reaching 85?
 
2014-03-17 12:51:00 PM

Chummer45: Rapmaster2000: To be fair, that is Russia's industry.  They have failed to diversify into anything and the country has a brain drain.  Russian stocks are off 20% because foreign industry, their only hope, doesn't trust the government.  None of this matters of course because the kind of people who vote for Putin don't own stocks.


True.  But to be even more fair, we should expect more out of our politicians than the ramblings of an old man yelling at a cloud.


We should expect, but we get what we deserve.  Unfortunately, this is what we deserve.
 
2014-03-17 12:51:55 PM

Thrag: He's not wrong. Russia's economy is highly dependent on gas exports.


And Europe's economy is highly dependent on those exports from Russia.

Tell me. If it came down to tightening one's belt, who would last longer? Russia or the EU?
 
2014-03-17 12:52:54 PM
For someone who has a habit of having planes blown up underneath him, he sure likes to talk like a tough guy.
 
2014-03-17 12:53:08 PM
Never let the GOP forget: 59,948,323 of them tried to make this man President of the United States of America in 2008, with majorities in 22 states.
 
2014-03-17 12:56:04 PM

Red_October: Thrag: He's not wrong. Russia's economy is highly dependent on gas exports.

And Europe's economy is highly dependent on those exports from Russia.

Tell me. If it came down to tightening one's belt, who would last longer? Russia or the EU?


Russians are used to hardship. If you so much as had to cut taxpayer funding for a Buttsex & Piss Festival in Munich, there'd be riots in the streets.
 
2014-03-17 12:58:11 PM

TV's Vinnie: Red_October: Thrag: He's not wrong. Russia's economy is highly dependent on gas exports.

And Europe's economy is highly dependent on those exports from Russia.

Tell me. If it came down to tightening one's belt, who would last longer? Russia or the EU?

Russians are used to hardship. If you so much as had to cut taxpayer funding for a Buttsex & Piss Festival in Munich, there'd be riots in the streets.


That's right. A 20% drop in Russia's economy wouldn't change a thing. Russians have had to deal with hardships Western Hamburgers would never even dream of, like purges, starvation, war, mass murder, Gulags, genocide, etc.

They'll tighten their belts, knowing full well Russia has boots on the ground in Ukraine and NATO does not.
 
2014-03-17 01:05:43 PM
Well, he's not entirely wrong. Nevertheless, he is pretty much the poster child of:

www.patentspostgrant.com
 
2014-03-17 01:15:25 PM

Red_October: I'm having a hard time digesting all this stupid. Sanctions will do little to Russia. Putin is several steps ahead of the West and our government morons are clueless about geopolitics, let alone Russian geopolitics.

Russia doesn't care about MICEX, they care about commodities -- you know, tangible REAL assets like national gas, gold, uranium, iron, copper, etc. If the EU really wants to push its luck, they'll find themselves with over a third of their natural gas cut off. And when they are begging for the gas valve to be turned back on, they'll have to pay a premium due to the new sky-rocketed prices thanks to their idiocy. And who cares if some oligarchs get slightly hurt by shifts in the MICEX? It's currently rallying. Ruble also. But should the Ruble go down, who cares? Russia will deal with China in Yuan, which China is more than happy to oblige and all sanctions are avoided. How do you think Iran was able to avoid sanctions? That's right, folks! COMMODITIES!!!

So sanctions won't do much. And Putin has the upper hand, since he has troops on the ground and NATO doesn't have anything there. So now what? We try to provoke global thermonuclear war over Ukraine? Seriously? Is the collective IQ of Congress and POTUS even reaching 85?


This is a very odd Weeners of all, I'm not sure where the idea came from that Putin is some geopolitical chessmaster.  At best, he's a clever thug.  He's gotten Crimea, which he didn't need to take, and he's risked a lot to get it.

The Ruble, along with all currencies, are moving on an uptrend today.  Today is the key word.  The Ruble is off about 15% since this crisis began.  The Ruble is lower now that it was five years ago.  I'm not sure where you got the impression that there was any strength in the Ruble.

Russia's economy is not healthy.  3.4% was the expected growth rate before this event.  It will certainly be adjusted downward.  The Russian per-capita GDP is embarrassing.  It's a low-skilled, old workforce that is only getting older.

Commodities do not protect you from sanctions.  Sanctions are absolutely crushing Iran.  Inflation runs at 45%.  Iran's currency has lost 80% of its value.  You can clearly see the effect of when sanctions began in 2012:

www.tradingeconomics.com

Everything in your post is some type of nonsense.  Where did you get your information?
 
2014-03-17 01:15:41 PM

TV's Vinnie: Red_October: Thrag: He's not wrong. Russia's economy is highly dependent on gas exports.

And Europe's economy is highly dependent on those exports from Russia.

Tell me. If it came down to tightening one's belt, who would last longer? Russia or the EU?

Russians are used to hardship. If you so much as had to cut taxpayer funding for a Buttsex & Piss Festival in Munich, there'd be riots in the streets.


Hmm. Better head to Munich before that happens!
 
2014-03-17 01:18:51 PM

TV's Vinnie: For someone who has a habit of having planes blown up underneath him, he sure likes to talk like a tough guy.


Everytime John McCain goes to an Air Force base, all of the planes in the hangars cower in fear and need intensive therapy sessions after he leaves.
 
2014-03-17 01:20:59 PM

Rapmaster2000: Red_October: I'm having a hard time digesting all this stupid. Sanctions will do little to Russia. Putin is several steps ahead of the West and our government morons are clueless about geopolitics, let alone Russian geopolitics.

Russia doesn't care about MICEX, they care about commodities -- you know, tangible REAL assets like national gas, gold, uranium, iron, copper, etc. If the EU really wants to push its luck, they'll find themselves with over a third of their natural gas cut off. And when they are begging for the gas valve to be turned back on, they'll have to pay a premium due to the new sky-rocketed prices thanks to their idiocy. And who cares if some oligarchs get slightly hurt by shifts in the MICEX? It's currently rallying. Ruble also. But should the Ruble go down, who cares? Russia will deal with China in Yuan, which China is more than happy to oblige and all sanctions are avoided. How do you think Iran was able to avoid sanctions? That's right, folks! COMMODITIES!!!

So sanctions won't do much. And Putin has the upper hand, since he has troops on the ground and NATO doesn't have anything there. So now what? We try to provoke global thermonuclear war over Ukraine? Seriously? Is the collective IQ of Congress and POTUS even reaching 85?

This is a very odd Weeners of all, I'm not sure where the idea came from that Putin is some geopolitical chessmaster.  At best, he's a clever thug.  He's gotten Crimea, which he didn't need to take, and he's risked a lot to get it.

The Ruble, along with all currencies, are moving on an uptrend today.  Today is the key word.  The Ruble is off about 15% since this crisis began.  The Ruble is lower now that it was five years ago.  I'm not sure where you got the impression that there was any strength in the Ruble.

Russia's economy is not healthy.  3.4% was the expected growth rate before this event.  It will certainly be adjusted downward.  The Russian per-capita GDP is embarrassing.  It's a low-skilled, old workforce that i ...


OK. It's nonsense. You're an expert on Russian hardship. Commodities don't matter. Got it. Get back to me in a week when Russia controls the entire Eastern half of Ukraine and let me know how those sanctions went.
 
2014-03-17 01:21:17 PM
John McCain passes enough gas to make up for whatever shortfall Russia might cause.
 
2014-03-17 01:24:10 PM
Red_October

OK. It's nonsense.

Thanks.
 
2014-03-17 01:25:14 PM

Rapmaster2000: Red_October: I'm having a hard time digesting all this stupid. Sanctions will do little to Russia. Putin is several steps ahead of the West and our government morons are clueless about geopolitics, let alone Russian geopolitics.

Russia doesn't care about MICEX, they care about commodities -- you know, tangible REAL assets like national gas, gold, uranium, iron, copper, etc. If the EU really wants to push its luck, they'll find themselves with over a third of their natural gas cut off. And when they are begging for the gas valve to be turned back on, they'll have to pay a premium due to the new sky-rocketed prices thanks to their idiocy. And who cares if some oligarchs get slightly hurt by shifts in the MICEX? It's currently rallying. Ruble also. But should the Ruble go down, who cares? Russia will deal with China in Yuan, which China is more than happy to oblige and all sanctions are avoided. How do you think Iran was able to avoid sanctions? That's right, folks! COMMODITIES!!!

So sanctions won't do much. And Putin has the upper hand, since he has troops on the ground and NATO doesn't have anything there. So now what? We try to provoke global thermonuclear war over Ukraine? Seriously? Is the collective IQ of Congress and POTUS even reaching 85?

This is a very odd Weeners of all, I'm not sure where the idea came from that Putin is some geopolitical chessmaster.  At best, he's a clever thug.  He's gotten Crimea, which he didn't need to take, and he's risked a lot to get it.

The Ruble, along with all currencies, are moving on an uptrend today.  Today is the key word.  The Ruble is off about 15% since this crisis began.  The Ruble is lower now that it was five years ago.  I'm not sure where you got the impression that there was any strength in the Ruble.

Russia's economy is not healthy.  3.4% was the expected growth rate before this event.  It will certainly be adjusted downward.  The Russian per-capita GDP is embarrassing.  It's a low-skilled, old workforce that i ...


Also, that's a cute little chart there. Yes, I can hear the cries of MERCY coming from Iran's government and people. Those sanctions really caused Iran to surrender, didn't they?
 
2014-03-17 01:27:52 PM

Red_October: Rapmaster2000: Red_October: I'm having a hard time digesting all this stupid. Sanctions will do little to Russia. Putin is several steps ahead of the West and our government morons are clueless about geopolitics, let alone Russian geopolitics.

Russia doesn't care about MICEX, they care about commodities -- you know, tangible REAL assets like national gas, gold, uranium, iron, copper, etc. If the EU really wants to push its luck, they'll find themselves with over a third of their natural gas cut off. And when they are begging for the gas valve to be turned back on, they'll have to pay a premium due to the new sky-rocketed prices thanks to their idiocy. And who cares if some oligarchs get slightly hurt by shifts in the MICEX? It's currently rallying. Ruble also. But should the Ruble go down, who cares? Russia will deal with China in Yuan, which China is more than happy to oblige and all sanctions are avoided. How do you think Iran was able to avoid sanctions? That's right, folks! COMMODITIES!!!

So sanctions won't do much. And Putin has the upper hand, since he has troops on the ground and NATO doesn't have anything there. So now what? We try to provoke global thermonuclear war over Ukraine? Seriously? Is the collective IQ of Congress and POTUS even reaching 85?

This is a very odd Weeners of all, I'm not sure where the idea came from that Putin is some geopolitical chessmaster.  At best, he's a clever thug.  He's gotten Crimea, which he didn't need to take, and he's risked a lot to get it.

The Ruble, along with all currencies, are moving on an uptrend today.  Today is the key word.  The Ruble is off about 15% since this crisis began.  The Ruble is lower now that it was five years ago.  I'm not sure where you got the impression that there was any strength in the Ruble.

Russia's economy is not healthy.  3.4% was the expected growth rate before this event.  It will certainly be adjusted downward.  The Russian per-capita GDP is embarrassing.  It's a low-skilled, old w ...


Assert more.  It doesn't make you sound like a child at all.
 
2014-03-17 01:28:46 PM
Red_October:

Also, that's a cute little chart there. Yes, I can hear the cries of MERCY coming from Iran's government and people. Those sanctions really caused Iran to surrender, didn't they?

Yes.  It's a chart that accurately describes how sanctions affected the Iranian economy.  It refutes the argument that you pulled from your ass.  I'm sorry if that hurts, but you wouldn't have this problem if you didn't pull things out of your ass.
 
2014-03-17 01:33:27 PM
Rapmaster2000:

Yes.  It's a chart that accurately describes how sanctions affected the Iranian economy.  It refutes the argument that you pulled from your ass.  I'm sorry if that hurts, but you wouldn't have this problem if you didn't pull things out of your ass.

Those screams of the Iranians... too much man. Nightmares. I had an Iranian cleric just the other day begging me for clemency.
 
2014-03-17 01:35:59 PM

Rapmaster2000: Red_October:

Also, that's a cute little chart there. Yes, I can hear the cries of MERCY coming from Iran's government and people. Those sanctions really caused Iran to surrender, didn't they?

Yes.  It's a chart that accurately describes how sanctions affected the Iranian economy.  It refutes the argument that you pulled from your ass.  I'm sorry if that hurts, but you wouldn't have this problem if you didn't pull things out of your ass.


By the way, your God-Emperor is being taunted on Twitter by FM Rogozin.

Comrade @BarackObama, what should do those who have neither accounts nor property abroad? Or U didn't think about it?)http://t.co/16KUTJPXOl
- Dmitry Rogozin (@DRogozin) March 17, 2014
 
2014-03-17 01:36:04 PM
Well other than some oil, natural gas and metals, what does Russia export?

Surface to air missile systems and the odd helicopter and jet fighter.
 
2014-03-17 01:36:49 PM

lilbjorn: John McCain passes enough gas to make up for whatever shortfall Russia might cause.


i78.photobucket.com

"Old Man farts at cloud."
 
2014-03-17 01:37:32 PM
OK, I'll bite.  Yes, the Russians were willing to sacrifice a lot to not be conquered by the Nazis.  How does this situation even remotely approach that kind of existential crisis?
 
2014-03-17 01:37:57 PM

Red_October: Rapmaster2000: Red_October:

Also, that's a cute little chart there. Yes, I can hear the cries of MERCY coming from Iran's government and people. Those sanctions really caused Iran to surrender, didn't they?

Yes.  It's a chart that accurately describes how sanctions affected the Iranian economy.  It refutes the argument that you pulled from your ass.  I'm sorry if that hurts, but you wouldn't have this problem if you didn't pull things out of your ass.

By the way, your God-Emperor is being taunted on Twitter by FM Rogozin.

Comrade @BarackObama, what should do those who have neither accounts nor property abroad? Or U didn't think about it?)http://t.co/16KUTJPXOl
- Dmitry Rogozin (@DRogozin) March 17, 2014


I have to admit, I've never defeated someone so easily before.  It's kind of impressive how quickly you've collapsed into "no u".  I'm not really that smart either, which doesn't look good for you.
 
2014-03-17 01:45:25 PM
Red_October:

Товарищ! Я заметил, что вы эффективно используют свою пропаганду, чтобы противостоять американским аргументы свинья-собака! Я должен поблагодарить Вас на вашей храбрости!
 
2014-03-17 01:45:40 PM

Rapmaster2000: Red_October:

Also, that's a cute little chart there. Yes, I can hear the cries of MERCY coming from Iran's government and people. Those sanctions really caused Iran to surrender, didn't they?

Yes.  It's a chart that accurately describes how sanctions affected the Iranian economy.  It refutes the argument that you pulled from your ass.  I'm sorry if that hurts, but you wouldn't have this problem if you didn't pull things out of your ass.


So, get DirecTV?
 
2014-03-17 01:50:23 PM
In Russia, you fill diarrhea's pants!
 
2014-03-17 01:51:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: Red_October: Rapmaster2000: Red_October:

Also, that's a cute little chart there. Yes, I can hear the cries of MERCY coming from Iran's government and people. Those sanctions really caused Iran to surrender, didn't they?

Yes.  It's a chart that accurately describes how sanctions affected the Iranian economy.  It refutes the argument that you pulled from your ass.  I'm sorry if that hurts, but you wouldn't have this problem if you didn't pull things out of your ass.

By the way, your God-Emperor is being taunted on Twitter by FM Rogozin.

Comrade @BarackObama, what should do those who have neither accounts nor property abroad? Or U didn't think about it?)http://t.co/16KUTJPXOl
- Dmitry Rogozin (@DRogozin) March 17, 2014

I have to admit, I've never defeated someone so easily before.  It's kind of impressive how quickly you've collapsed into "no u".  I'm not really that smart either, which doesn't look good for you.


Looks like he cut and pasted something from a forwarded e-mail trying to look smart and when called on it quickly folded into absurdisms.
 
2014-03-17 01:55:22 PM

Red_October: I'm having a hard time digesting all this stupid. Sanctions will do little to Russia. Putin is several steps ahead of the West and our government morons are clueless about geopolitics, let alone Russian geopolitics.

Russia doesn't care about MICEX, they care about commodities -- you know, tangible REAL assets like national gas, gold, uranium, iron, copper, etc. If the EU really wants to push its luck, they'll find themselves with over a third of their natural gas cut off. And when they are begging for the gas valve to be turned back on, they'll have to pay a premium due to the new sky-rocketed prices thanks to their idiocy. And who cares if some oligarchs get slightly hurt by shifts in the MICEX? It's currently rallying. Ruble also. But should the Ruble go down, who cares? Russia will deal with China in Yuan, which China is more than happy to oblige and all sanctions are avoided. How do you think Iran was able to avoid sanctions? That's right, folks! COMMODITIES!!!

So sanctions won't do much. And Putin has the upper hand, since he has troops on the ground and NATO doesn't have anything there. So now what? We try to provoke global thermonuclear war over Ukraine? Seriously? Is the collective IQ of Congress and POTUS even reaching 85?


Besides, just like the ethnic Germans in Czechoslovakia, those Crimeans begged for a fascist totalitarian to invade and rescue them.

/Crimeolans?
/Crimeanini?
/Crimealupas?
 
2014-03-17 01:56:31 PM
Rapmaster2000:

I have to admit, I've never defeated someone so easily before.  It's kind of impressive how quickly you've collapsed into "no u".  I'm not really that smart either, which doesn't look good for you.

www.operatorchan.org

Your cute little chart only takes into account GDP in terms of US dollars. It doesn't take into account trades Iran has with Russia, China and other nations IN COMMODITIES like oil. Meanwhile, despite you patting yourself on the back, Iran is still pursuing the things it always has. The sanctions were skirted and ultimately useless.

By the way, Russian oligarchs already cashed out on a boatload of their Western assets. And Congress is on vacation until March 24th, plenty of time for Putin to take control of the rest of Eastern Ukraine.
 
2014-03-17 01:59:23 PM

Red_October: OK. It's nonsense. You're an expert on Russian hardship. Commodities don't matter. Got it. Get back to me in a week when Russia controls the entire Eastern half of Ukraine and let me know how those sanctions went.


So for sanctions to work they must have an effect measured in one week? I guess if you set the bar where you want you will never be wrong.
 
2014-03-17 02:00:33 PM

SkittlesAreYum: Red_October: OK. It's nonsense. You're an expert on Russian hardship. Commodities don't matter. Got it. Get back to me in a week when Russia controls the entire Eastern half of Ukraine and let me know how those sanctions went.

So for sanctions to work they must have an effect measured in one week? I guess if you set the bar where you want you will never be wrong.


OH GOD LOL. How long have Iranian sanctions been in place???
 
2014-03-17 02:02:01 PM
Red_October:


Just out of curiosity, do you also read Pravda thinking it is a totally real and unbiased news source?
 
2014-03-17 02:02:27 PM

grumpfuff: Red_October:


Just out of curiosity, do you also read Pravda thinking it is a totally real and unbiased news source?


No.
 
2014-03-17 02:05:21 PM

ArkPanda: How does this situation even remotely approach that kind of existential crisis?


It may not be an existential crisis for Russia, but for Putin it certainly is. He is basically the same kind of thug Yanukovich is, most of his policies have produced less than lackluster results and he's getting old. The perspective of a country next door dealing with the crooks and thieves in power must be quite worrying to him.

It is a small surprise he has grabbed the opportunity to shift the focus from the situation at home and tighten the squeeze on the opposition at home.
 
2014-03-17 02:05:35 PM

Red_October: grumpfuff: Red_October:


Just out of curiosity, do you also read Pravda thinking it is a totally real and unbiased news source?

No.


After quoting a Russian politician's twitter as if it actually proved anything, you could have fooled me.

Wait, I know! RT instead?
 
2014-03-17 02:05:57 PM

Red_October: Rapmaster2000:

Your cute little chart only takes into account GDP in terms of US dollars.


You should be extremely embarrassed by this.  You don't know why you should so everything I say is ultimately useless against you, but just know this - GDP growth rate is not measured in dollars.

img.fark.net

Your "cute little" made up statements aren't helping you... such as:

By the way, Russian oligarchs already cashed out on a boatload of their Western assets.

First of all, we all know you pulled this out of your ass.  You have no way of knowing this.  You can't even name what assets these might be.  Their pied a terres in London?  Their townhome in NYC?  Their share of pipelines?

Regardless, what good would that be?  They're not going to "cash out" and sit on a pile of decreasing Rubles in Russian banks run by a dictator that they shouldn't trust.  They didn't get rich by being stupid.
 
2014-03-17 02:10:51 PM
Um, guys?  Arguing with some guy named Red_October obfuscating about how Russia is really, really, reallllly the winner in all this, is kind of useless.  Some people like to get pissed on.
 
2014-03-17 02:12:42 PM
Rapmaster2000:

By the way, Russian oligarchs already cashed out on a boatload of their Western assets.

First of all, we all know you pulled this out of your ass.  You have no way of knowing this.


http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/ffea2660-ab9e-11e3-aad9-00144feab7de.h t ml

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-14/russian-richest-face-margin -c alls-with-billions-at-stake.html
 
2014-03-17 02:14:57 PM

Rapmaster2000: Red_October: Rapmaster2000:

Your cute little chart only takes into account GDP in terms of US dollars.

You should be extremely embarrassed by this.  You don't know why you should so everything I say is ultimately useless against you, but just know this - GDP growth rate is not measured in dollars.


What's it measured in, then? Wampum? You need a base unit of measure and that would be the dollar before you can calculate percentages.
 
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