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2014-03-17 07:23:56 AM

FnkyTwn: CSB: Undiagnosed ADHD my whole life. Teachers recommended it to my mom when I was a kid, but she wasn't into the mumbo-jumbo of the day. Flash forward to my late 30s and my neighbor ends up being a child psychologist who refers me to a colleague to get "tested". Long story short, taking the minimal dose of generic methylphenidate extended-release now and it has completely changed my life.

So these days when I'm having basic conversations with people my mind isn't busy matching up songs with every other word they say, while also constantly finishing their sentences and subbing words I think would have worked better. I was probably the biggest skeptic until this thing actually worked for me. Now I see a shrink every 6 months and he writes me massive scripts that last that long.

My work and home desks have gone from being plastered in tiny post-it notes to looking like a normal persons. I've learned to "manage" over the years, but goddamn do these pills make my day and life sooooo much easier. If I would have been on this stuff in school I probably would have been able to accomplish a lot more in life, or at least it wouldn't have been a constant and endless Secret Life of Walter Mitty struggle.


I know EXACTLY what you mean.

I'm glad you're getting to expirience real life now. Glad I am too.
 
2014-03-17 07:36:46 AM
I blame editing.  No, seriously, watch a TV show from the 1950s or 1960s (except  H.R. Pufnstuf) and then watch one from the 1990s or 2000s, and compare the number of edits.  Watch a music video from the 1990s or later and count the number of times there is an edit.  The minds of young children are being conditioned to "information" being presented to them quickly and in smaller doses.  And when the get older their minds have a hard time hadling anything different.   That is my personal theory, based solely on beer.
 
2014-03-17 07:43:23 AM

Stoj: For those with ADHD, he doesn't say that the behaviors & symptoms don't exist, he says something something you're reading the next post now anyway so whatever.


That was good for my first laugh today, but I can't remember why it was funny.
 
2014-03-17 07:44:15 AM

JerkyMeat: Ok, that may be true, but there are few people I know first hand who are dazzled by shiny objects.


And the latest "news" about the Kardashians?

/analogous
//insert own joke here
 
2014-03-17 07:48:30 AM
A serious question about these drugs: what if your kids is an above average student without the drugs, but closer to exceptional when he takes them?

Are there cases, especially with boys, where the drugs are a substitute for behavior modification that could achieve the same result? Should an improvement in school performance be seen as proof that the drug is appropriate therapy?
 
2014-03-17 07:49:27 AM
Really? You think that? Then go publish a proper paper full of proper research on the subject so it can be properly peer-reviewed by other people with the proper credentials.

Oh, wait. That's not going to sell your book like informal Time magazine write-ups and call-ins to "Rover's Morning Glory".

Scumbag.
 
2014-03-17 07:53:05 AM

Animatronik: Are there cases, especially with boys, where the drugs are a substitute for behavior modification that could achieve the same result? Should an improvement in school performance be seen as proof that the drug is appropriate therapy?


That's true of every drug that has ever existed. Some people endlessly take pain killers when they should be going to physical therapy instead. There are tons of people on cholesterol and blood pressure medications who wouldn't need it if they just exercised regularly and stopped eating so much crap. Same goes for people on diabetes treatments that could manage their disease with a proper diet but just don't.

ADHD drugs aren't magically immune to the problem of lazy people taking shortcuts with them, of course there are people who are using them as quick alternatives to a more "correct" and permanent solution.
 
2014-03-17 07:55:06 AM

skozlaw: Really? You think that? Then go publish a proper paper full of proper research on the subject so it can be properly peer-reviewed by other people with the proper credentials.

Oh, wait. That's not going to sell your book like informal Time magazine write-ups and call-ins to "Rover's Morning Glory".

Scumbag.


Well it proves that the credentials are not always to be trusted.  I wonder if he actually treats patients.
 
2014-03-17 07:56:07 AM

sendtodave: namatad: so drugs are being used to treat symptoms, rather than tests being done to determine if there is some sort of underlying condition and then treating that condition?

COLOR ME SHOCKED
Especially given the terrible health care in the US.


CSB
I had undiagnosed hashimoto's (hypothyroidism) for probably 10 years.
ooo depression? lets put you on meds
ooo sleep problems? lets put you on meds
ooo weight gain? well you are just lazy
ooo hypertension? lets put you on meds
ooo sleep apnea? lets put you on a machine or something

Even after being put on hormone replacement, the doctor was under dosing me, because they are TERRIFIED of going over. LOL

FFS, once I FINALLY was properly treated, oh LOOK, my sleep problems went away, my depression went away, my weight improved, my hypertension improved.

All at the cost of a generic pill and proper testing.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

TL;DR - be in charge of your own medical health, because no one else is
/csb

Non-specific symptoms are non-specific.


If only there was a profession that employed the thorough gathering of data and proper testing and analysis instead of rushing to dispense meds and get to the next cash cow patient.
 
2014-03-17 07:58:34 AM
disapproves
www.mytinyphone.com
 
2014-03-17 08:01:59 AM
Yes there is ADHD and ADD and Autism, no one is denying that. What this MD is saying is NOT EVERYONE HAS IT. Too many people are diagnosed with it. My neighbor told me that someone at school told her that her kids need medication. Her kids don't need medicine they need 1) better parents and 2) an ass whooping!

The pharmaceutical industry is vicious. I know. I have a legitimate neurological disorder (seizures) and I've been on anti-seizure meds since 1987. I also had to have major surgery. My short term memory loss isn't ADHD related, but I bet there is a neurologist out there that would say it is.

Parents need to learn how to say NO! They need to learn that reading is FUNdamental not TV. Music is relaxing, not a pill.
 
2014-03-17 08:10:09 AM
Cut out the sugar and the problem goes away.

The more you know....
 
2014-03-17 08:16:26 AM

allylloyd: Her kids don't need medicine they need 1) better parents and 2) an ass whooping!


Oh hey! It seems your mini-strokes/seizures have managed to stick your mind back in the 80s! Welcome to 2014! Spanking is not only frowned upon, it's also borderline illegal. Also, as a person who got plenty of spankings in the 70s and 80s (I broke a paddle with my ass in the 2nd grade, but that was mostly because my dad had drilled too many air holes in it to cut down on wind resistance), I know it's about as effective as throwing somebody in jail without a way to better yourself. It only tends to make sneaky behavior more sneaky.

Would ADHD meds have cut down on my parents frustration level with me as a child? Who's really to say, but surely it would have been worth a try seeing as how months of restriction and regular beatings spankings managed to only make me a smarter criminal.

/I have yet to spank my own kids
 
2014-03-17 08:17:36 AM
So, according to a legion of Fark medical experts, over-diagnosed and over-medicated = it doesn't exist. At all. All righty then.

Of course, patients and/or their parents should try behavioral modification, cognitive therapy, good ol' fashioned discipline, and running around outside.  But some people have a biochemical issue that requires medication to compensate.  You shouldn't medicate just because a kid's parents and teachers are sick of dealing with his sh*t and are too lazy to try working it out with him, but if you've tried everything else and the kid still has impaired function, you're not going to change neurochemistry by more yelling and spanking.

An analogy: If your cholesterol is still high after you've tried modifying your diet and exercising, you might need medication.  The medication is not a substitute for the other measures, and it is not universally or equally beneficial to all patients.
 
2014-03-17 08:20:57 AM

JoieD'Zen: sendtodave: namatad: so drugs are being used to treat symptoms, rather than tests being done to determine if there is some sort of underlying condition and then treating that condition?

COLOR ME SHOCKED
Especially given the terrible health care in the US.


CSB
I had undiagnosed hashimoto's (hypothyroidism) for probably 10 years.
ooo depression? lets put you on meds
ooo sleep problems? lets put you on meds
ooo weight gain? well you are just lazy
ooo hypertension? lets put you on meds
ooo sleep apnea? lets put you on a machine or something

Even after being put on hormone replacement, the doctor was under dosing me, because they are TERRIFIED of going over. LOL

FFS, once I FINALLY was properly treated, oh LOOK, my sleep problems went away, my depression went away, my weight improved, my hypertension improved.

All at the cost of a generic pill and proper testing.
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

TL;DR - be in charge of your own medical health, because no one else is
/csb

Non-specific symptoms are non-specific.

If only there was a profession that employed the thorough gathering of data and proper testing and analysis instead of rushing to dispense meds and get to the next cash cow patient.


My wife and one of my daughters have Hashimoto's.  Your CSB is exactly what they went through as well.  The problem is that there is not a single blood test to detect it coupled with a cool drug to "cure" it.

Along with Armour Thyroid (not synthroid!!!) and Gluten Free they both are mostly normal.  Well, as normal as can be expected...let's face it, my wife CHOSE me...my daughter is stuck with me for a few more years, then she can ignore me for real.

/I am ADHD and would be getting a kick out of these comments if I could manage to finish any of them
//Did finish TFA and actually agree with the neurologist
 
2014-03-17 08:29:38 AM
I am not convinced it entirely doesn't exist, but I certainly believe it is highly over-diagnosed for anything outside of the normal. It's treated as a catch-all for abnormal behavior of most types and they just throw drugs at the problem instead of looking at possible parenting or other issues.
 
2014-03-17 08:31:19 AM
Is this where we meet up to discuss one doctor's opinion versus hundreds of thousands of the opposite opinion?
 
2014-03-17 08:36:10 AM

Cerebral Ballsy: Is this where we meet up to discuss one doctor's opinion versus hundreds of thousands paid to have the opposite opinion?


FTFY.  Hate to sound like one of those anti-vaccine nuts, but it's a pretty established practice in the last few decades to create syndromes and disorders to fit a drug.  Of course, my memory's a bit hazy because I was up all night with restless leg syndrome and No 24 Hour disorder.
 
2014-03-17 08:36:33 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've met a few kids who definitely had something wrong with them. Hyperactive, inability to concentrate, inappropriate behavior, struggle with authority. These are all normal behaviors of normal kids. But when you meet a kid with the type of behavioral problem that they call ADHD, these are magnified tenfold.

Sure, the doctors are probably overprescribing drugs to kids who don't need them because their parents are no longer willing to be parents and would rather just drug kids into compliance, but having spent time with some of kids who are actually having their quality of life destroyed by their uncontrollable behaviors, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


DING DING DING!

We have teh winnar!

ADHD is overdiagnosed. Some of it is lazy parents, some of it is lazy teachers, lots of it is all sorts of other conditions, both physical and mental. And careful, thorough review of each patient's symptoms and circumstances SHOULD be done to find out what is really going on there, but rarely is it actually done. However, don't try telling those of us who actually have to deal with the condition, including as adults, that it's made up. It sure as hell isn't.

/has ADHD
//actually went through all sorts of testing and examination as a kid before they finally made it a definite diagnosis
 
2014-03-17 08:37:40 AM

allylloyd: What this MD is saying is NOT EVERYONE HAS IT.


Then what do they have?  And, if whatever they have is treatable with speed, why not do so?

If it walks like a duck and something something.

Even for behavior modification, sure.  Because, in case people missed the memo, we can't beat children into compliance anymore.  So, uh, what else motivates kids?

If it's dope them up, or let them fail?  Fark it, dope them up.
 
2014-03-17 08:38:15 AM

sendtodave: Prank Call of Cthulhu: Back in my day...

[Kid]: I don't wanna do homework let's ride bikes no wait I want to watch TV let's gogeticecream--

Adult soundly and vigorously beats the kid until he can't sit down for a week without screaming.

[Kid, wiping tears away]: Know what? Think I'll finish that homework now.

Nowadays...

[Kid]: I wanna play XBox, no I'm bored Imma play Minecraft now I need to update my facebook I'm goingtogowatchTV--

[Adult]: Oh, poor Ashleigh. Here, mommy will write a note to your teacher telling her you simply can't do any homework. Sit right down and play this new video game I bought you and I'll go make you some gluten-free vegan snacks. And don't forget to take your happy pills.

Now get off my lawn!

Yeah, back in the day, we'd just blame the kids for being lazy.  It's much better to blame people for their illnesses.  Like with "alcoholism."

Stupid drunks.  Stupid lazy kids.  They all just need to be scared straight through trauma.


I like the cut of your jib. It's very Homer-esque. Homer Simpson, that is. It carries a simple truth that everyone can relate to.

Stupid druggies, they need to just stop using drugs.

Lazy kids need to do their work.

Poor people need to stop being poor.

Stupid sexy Flanders.
 
2014-03-17 08:41:58 AM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: But if you stop prescribing kids ADHD medications, where am I going to find cheap amphetamines?

Really?
[img.fark.net image 512x288]


img.fark.net

That's a pic from the scene where he's making ricin, not meth.


/wonder if that's a sign of ADHD?
 
2014-03-17 08:41:58 AM
I wonder how much great art is being suppressed with pharmaceuticals.  Van Gogh, Edgar Allen Poe, Hemingway, Dickinson - they'd all be drugged up today and wouldn't have put out jack shiat creatively.

Of course, of the four people I mentioned, two killed themselves, one died drunk in a gutter, and the fourth cut part of his ear off, but.... damn it I love The Raven.
 
2014-03-17 08:45:28 AM
Pay no attention. Your farked up kid trumps all expert opinion on the subject.
 
2014-03-17 08:45:54 AM

kokomo61: ecmoRandomNumbers: Angela Lansbury's Merkin: But if you stop prescribing kids ADHD medications, where am I going to find cheap amphetamines?

Really?
[img.fark.net image 512x288]

[img.fark.net image 512x288]

That's a pic from the scene where he's making ricin, not meth.


/wonder if that's a sign of ADHD?


Ricin would also help keep these kids from bouncing off the walls.  And it's single dose.
 
2014-03-17 08:47:12 AM

plushpuppy: FishyFred: AverageAmericanGuy: I've met a few kids who definitely had something wrong with them. Hyperactive, inability to concentrate, inappropriate behavior, struggle with authority. These are all normal behaviors of normal kids. But when you meet a kid with the type of behavioral problem that they call ADHD, these are magnified tenfold.

Sure, the doctors are probably overprescribing drugs to kids who don't need them because their parents are no longer willing to be parents and would rather just drug kids into compliance, but having spent time with some of kids who are actually having their quality of life destroyed by their uncontrollable behaviors, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This person knows what's up.

/former overmedicated child
//occasional tutor of kids who really do need the pills

The biggest problem is if your child requires any extra help in school they must have a medical diagnosis


Or if your kid requires an amount of attentive parenting you find annoying. To be fair though, in many places you can't (or people find it socially unacceptable) to lock your kid out of the house until dinner time. You're also not supposed to let them ride bikes unattended, hit each other with sticks, fall out of trees, catch snakes, run around screaming like maniacs etc like kids used to do to burn off energy without you having to budget time to drive them some place and back, sit there watching them the whole time, pay for the gas, activity cost, etc, so I think in some ways parenting has gotten more difficult for people.
 
2014-03-17 08:48:11 AM
I *DO* Suspect that ADHD, as we call it, is actually a spectrum of *different causes* that create simillar symptoms, and we really need to get at the root of figuring out what's actually going on so we can better help people.

This would explain why it seems to 'manifest' differently in different people. For instance, the best way I can describe my ADHD is not "Lol bored can't pay attention gonna daydream." It's not tuning out imporant things, it's the opposite. I *cannot* easily tune out external stimuli. Whatsoever. Which DOES give me the benefit of being a lot more aware of my environment, of being very good at finding lost objects, and a number of skills that would be of use in, say, a hunter-gatherer society.

This is not terribly useful in a typical classroom environment. Or, say, on a bus. (Pick out a conversation I'd rather not hear? TOO BAD CAN'T STOP HEARING IT. At a big party surrounded by white noise and thousands of conversation? BRAIN STARTS FREAKING OUT, TOO MUCH STIMULUS)

Thankfully, it does seem to be somewhat useful in a research environment...

(Which is why I think the variant I have may stem from genetic factors: After I got diagnosed*, we eventually came to realize that my mother, and the *entire side of my mother's family*, were ADHD.)

Prank

*(a diagnosis which involved a battery of tests and then a *multi week* double-blind trial where I would take a pill from a labeled bottle each day, and then my parents, teachers, and myself would fill out a survery on how I did. After about three weeks, they went back, looked at the days I did best and worst etc etc, and mapped them to which days I got varying doses of ritalin, and which days I got sugar pills)


Call of Cthulhu: [i59.tinypic.com image 519x699]


A) Ritalin is a stimulant. It's not farking thorazine.

B) While I agree a number of parents overmedicate, a lot try to medicate as a last resort. We basically tried an insane host of coping strategies (a number of which DO help me as an adult.)
 
2014-03-17 08:48:54 AM
I wonder how many ADHD kids grow up and get diagnosed with fibromyalgia.
 
2014-03-17 08:49:57 AM
Whoa, that formatting got screwed up.
 
2014-03-17 08:50:42 AM

Persnickety: I wonder how many ADHD kids grow up and get diagnosed with fibromyalgia.


I wonder how many people that feel ADHD's a sham think Alzheimer's patients are just old people that aren't trying hard enough to remember stuff.

Stupid farking lazy old people.
 
2014-03-17 08:52:34 AM

Persnickety: I wonder how many ADHD kids grow up and get diagnosed with fibromyalgia.


Ha ha!  because they're just hypochondriacs!

I guess what they really need years of therapy to attempt function correctly in society as opposed to pills.  Even as kids.

Because they're not really sick, just crazy!
 
2014-03-17 08:52:41 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've met a few kids who definitely had something wrong with them. Hyperactive, inability to concentrate, inappropriate behavior, struggle with authority. These are all normal behaviors of normal kids. But when you meet a kid with the type of behavioral problem that they call ADHD, these are magnified tenfold.

Sure, the doctors are probably overprescribing drugs to kids who don't need them because their parents are no longer willing to be parents and would rather just drug kids into compliance, but having spent time with some of kids who are actually having their quality of life destroyed by their uncontrollable behaviors, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


So you've met my youngest son!
 
2014-03-17 08:55:09 AM

FnkyTwn: allylloyd: Her kids don't need medicine they need 1) better parents and 2) an ass whooping!

Oh hey! It seems your mini-strokes/seizures have managed to stick your mind back in the 80s! Welcome to 2014! Spanking is not only frowned upon, it's also borderline illegal. Also, as a person who got plenty of spankings in the 70s and 80s (I broke a paddle with my ass in the 2nd grade, but that was mostly because my dad had drilled too many air holes in it to cut down on wind resistance), I know it's about as effective as throwing somebody in jail without a way to better yourself. It only tends to make sneaky behavior more sneaky.

Would ADHD meds have cut down on my parents frustration level with me as a child? Who's really to say, but surely it would have been worth a try seeing as how months of restriction and regular beatings spankings managed to only make me a smarter criminal.

/I have yet to spank my own kids


These kids don't need medication! They are on their way to a juvenile detention center. Why? THEY HAVE A BAD PARENT! NOTICE I SAID THAT FIRST! Case in point, one day I asked them not to throw snowballs at my windows (broken windows suck!), I asked them to throw them at the house. The 5 year old girl said, "F You". I stepped outside and told her it's not nice to curse. Her mother ran out and punched me in the face. I had to call the police! These kids got this way from their MOTHER! Medication isn't going to cure bad parenting! Neither is sitting in a corner. But not being able to SIT DOWN in a corner, well, that's something else.

// My parents never hit me.
At a young age, I learned that a wooden spoon could be used for more than cooking!
 
2014-03-17 09:00:20 AM
Wut?
 
2014-03-17 09:04:58 AM
What America needs is to ends its practice of pharmacological Calvinism. If someone performs better on Ritalin or adderall they should be able to get it without needing to have a disease.
 
2014-03-17 09:06:35 AM
who needs pills? ADHD is nothing 5 across the eyes wont fix,
 
2014-03-17 09:06:51 AM
It doesn't exist? It's about farking time someone finally said that!

I've always more or less thought that everyone has ADHD. So it should just be called "normal"
 
2014-03-17 09:11:57 AM

El Rollo Gigante: who needs pills? ADHD is nothing 5 across the eyes wont fix,


Do you come from another country, or just another decade?

Because in the US, slapping another person is considered battery.

Threatening to slap them is only considered assault.
 
2014-03-17 09:13:28 AM
What about those of use with 17 of 18 symptoms? If we don't have ADHD, what do we have?
 
2014-03-17 09:14:24 AM

ambercat: plushpuppy: FishyFred: AverageAmericanGuy: I've met a few kids who definitely had something wrong with them. Hyperactive, inability to concentrate, inappropriate behavior, struggle with authority. These are all normal behaviors of normal kids. But when you meet a kid with the type of behavioral problem that they call ADHD, these are magnified tenfold.

Sure, the doctors are probably overprescribing drugs to kids who don't need them because their parents are no longer willing to be parents and would rather just drug kids into compliance, but having spent time with some of kids who are actually having their quality of life destroyed by their uncontrollable behaviors, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

This person knows what's up.

/former overmedicated child
//occasional tutor of kids who really do need the pills

The biggest problem is if your child requires any extra help in school they must have a medical diagnosis

Or if your kid requires an amount of attentive parenting you find annoying. To be fair though, in many places you can't (or people find it socially unacceptable) to lock your kid out of the house until dinner time. You're also not supposed to let them ride bikes unattended, hit each other with sticks, fall out of trees, catch snakes, run around screaming like maniacs etc like kids used to do to burn off energy without you having to budget time to drive them some place and back, sit there watching them the whole time, pay for the gas, activity cost, etc, so I think in some ways parenting has gotten more difficult for people.


This idealized vision of childhood (playing stickball, going on adventures, etc.) really only existed for around 40-50 years in the mid 20th century, and then mostly in suburban areas.  Before that, kids worked on the farm or in factories or at home cooking and cleaning and watching younger siblings.  The notion that parents of this supposedly wondrous era were both A) being wisely attentive to their kids while at the same time B) letting them go off for hours at a time unsupervised not only doesn't pass the goofy test, it wasn't even generally true.  There were lots of rotten parents and shiatty kids back in the day.  What we didn't have back then is the internet and 24 hour "news" channels desperate to find click-bait stories, although the "kids these days" and "good old days" memes have always existed.
 
2014-03-17 09:15:11 AM
I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was 23. It fit, I was flighty, forgetful, couldn't concentrate, etc.

I'm 44 and had my gallbladder out last month.  As it was done in the afternoon they kept me overnight. When the nurse was checking on me she would say, "Huh, your oxygen level drops down to 84 (and 82) when you're sleeping, but pops right back up as soon as you wake up." She didn't seem overly concerned, but that struck me as pretty damn low.

Told my doctor at my follow up and he said, "Of COURSE your oxygen popped right back up, it does for anyone with apnea when they wake up." He is sending me for a sleep study.  Both he and the sleep doctor seem pertty certain I have sleep apnea, even though I don't snore, snort and haven't been observed stopping breathing when I sleep.

It might be the mild form, Hypopnea, where I either breathe too shallowly or too slowly. Symptoms may include "depression, forgetfulness, mood or behavior changes, trouble concentrating, loss of energy, nervousness, and morning headaches".

So although I have always been an "Of course ADHD exists" person, now my mind is a little blown.

/CSS
 
2014-03-17 09:16:44 AM

sendtodave: Persnickety: I wonder how many ADHD kids grow up and get diagnosed with fibromyalgia.

Ha ha!  because they're just hypochondriacs!

I guess what they really need years of therapy to attempt function correctly in society as opposed to pills.  Even as kids.

Because they're not really sick, just crazy!


Because some kids legitimately have ADD, there are no hypochondriacs.  Got it.
 
2014-03-17 09:19:47 AM

Persnickety: sendtodave: Persnickety: I wonder how many ADHD kids grow up and get diagnosed with fibromyalgia.

Ha ha!  because they're just hypochondriacs!

I guess what they really need years of therapy to attempt function correctly in society as opposed to pills.  Even as kids.

Because they're not really sick, just crazy!

Because some kids legitimately have ADD, there are no hypochondriacs.  Got it.


Your initial post implied *all*  ADHD kids were hypochondriacs.

You are now pissed that someone has called you out on it, and are instead claiming something they, in fact, never said-

You're really bad at this, aren't you?
 
2014-03-17 09:21:43 AM
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/usually works
 
2014-03-17 09:22:12 AM

plushpuppy: The biggest problem is if your child requires any extra help in school they must have a medical diagnosis


That is an unavoidable feature of government-run schooling.  All government-run enterprises devolve into mindless bureaucracies, and for the same basic reasons.

It's like civil service employees -- they get promotions based on "education" and seniority, not performance (since performance and competition are anathema to governments).  So, naturally, a whole industry has sprouted up to offer "education" credentials to bureaucrats.  The "education" they get is essentially meaningless -- it exists solely to satisfy some institutional checklist, not to be something that anyone actually wants to buy.

It's like the "Master's Degrees" that a lot of teachers are supposed to get, but the degrees really amount to a few extra hours of Community College.  It's not much better than the driving school they make you take to get out of a speeding ticket.  But it looks good on paper.

Schools can't decide which kids need special attention, or how to give it, or what to pay to give it, since schools get paid whether they give special attention the right way or not.  School administrators can make dumbass decision after dumbass decision, and yet the tax money keeps rolling in anyway.  There's no feedback loop to help them distinguish the dumbass decisions from the good ones.  So, the dumbass decisions pile up. After a while, the whole operation is just a big pile of hot garbage.
 
2014-03-17 09:22:29 AM

Persnickety: sendtodave: Persnickety: I wonder how many ADHD kids grow up and get diagnosed with fibromyalgia.

Ha ha!  because they're just hypochondriacs!

I guess what they really need years of therapy to attempt function correctly in society as opposed to pills.  Even as kids.

Because they're not really sick, just crazy!

Because some kids legitimately have ADD, there are no hypochondriacs.  Got it.


I'm not sure you do get it.

What is your solution for all these hypochondriacs?

It seems to me that giving them crank helps them function.  You'd prefer that they were drug-free and non-functional?

Because "they should stop being lazy," "they should stop being crazy," and/or "their parents should be better at parenting" aren't solutions. They're not even fixes.

Drugs are, at least, a fix.
 
2014-03-17 09:25:09 AM
i62.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-17 09:33:15 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: [i62.tinypic.com image 634x574]


I love how you ignore previous responses to you (Pointing out your LOL ADHD MEDS MEK ZOMBIES LOL comic seems to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what ADHD drugs even ARE... )
 
2014-03-17 09:33:19 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: I've met a few kids who definitely had something wrong with them. Hyperactive, inability to concentrate, inappropriate behavior, struggle with authority. These are all normal behaviors of normal kids. But when you meet a kid with the type of behavioral problem that they call ADHD, these are magnified tenfold.

Sure, the doctors are probably overprescribing drugs to kids who don't need them because their parents are no longer willing to be parents and would rather just drug kids into compliance, but having spent time with some of kids who are actually having their quality of life destroyed by their uncontrollable behaviors, I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


He's not saying it's a made-up disorder.  He's saying that "ADHD" is actually just a symptom of various other disorders and thus the proper treatment is to address those other disorders.  While I don't know about his 100% claim I'm pretty darn sure that he's at least partially correct.
 
2014-03-17 09:35:19 AM
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