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2014-03-16 10:10:28 PM  

geom_00: psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!

LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS

bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.


Pittsburgh fark party? I'm OK with this.
 
2014-03-16 10:10:37 PM  

Pentaxian: JerseyTim: Sure, Neil Degrasse Tyson is great and all, but how much better would Cosmos be if it were narrated by Rust Cohle?

Having Danica McKellar hosting would make the show slightly more fappable
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You know, a lot of hot chicks are good at math: they can put two together.
 
2014-03-16 10:12:09 PM  

The Lone Gunman: So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.


did this mutant fish squirrel take all five monkeys at the same time?
 
2014-03-16 10:12:43 PM  

Grote-Man: I know it's very unlikely but I would enjoy multiple seasons of this.


Unfortunately Seth Macfarlane is committed to a "Fast Animals. Slow Children" series.
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I'm equally excited.
 
2014-03-16 10:12:54 PM  

geom_00: bborchar: psilocyberguy: Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox

I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I am the other one.


We're everywhere!
 
2014-03-16 10:13:36 PM  

The Lone Gunman: So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.


Yes. I don't understand how you can look around everyday and not see this.
 
2014-03-16 10:14:30 PM  

Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.


Ultimately its the same shiat. A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.
 
2014-03-16 10:15:47 PM  

optimus_prime: geom_00: psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!

LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS

bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.

Pittsburgh fark party? I'm OK with this.


Last Fark Party I attended in Pittsburgh was back in 2005, I think. All 5 of us were pretty smashed.

/I'm in as long as it's not in the South Side.
 
2014-03-16 10:16:37 PM  

Ned Stark: A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.


Why do you have to take science on faith? You could just educate yourself. It's not a secret.
 
2014-03-16 10:17:04 PM  
Waldo Pepper:

not much of a slap.  Do you accept the same reasoning from a creationist or someone who believes in another theory vs what was presented in the show.

It's more direct than is usually allowed. Mainstream media have long been too afraid of offending to allow even something as mild as that statement. I'm honestly amazed that this show was ever greenlit. So I'll take what I can get.

And there's a difference between the god of the gaps philosophy and arguing in favor of a different scientific theory. God of the gaps uses what science doesn't know as proof of god, usually insinuating that science will never fill in those gaps due to divine mysteries we can't comprehend, and things like that. It's usually used to argue the explicit existence of god, that science is false, and that science should be stopped.

Postulating a alternative scientific theory usually involves trying to create a model that fits the facts better, and collecting evidence to support your claims. Sometimes that involves directly trying to disprove the old theory, but not always. Often it's just 'oh, this one works slightly better'. It often builds on the old one, rather than tearing it down completely.

And if a scientist came at me with a god of the gaps argument, I would dismiss it just as quickly as coming from a Creationist.

/And vis versa
 
2014-03-16 10:17:34 PM  
Any place streaming it now?
 
2014-03-16 10:17:56 PM  
Would have been nice to see more of Titan, like a more detailed view of what an Ethane sea would look like in low gravity.. and it needed moar orange...
 
2014-03-16 10:18:29 PM  

Confabulat: Ned Stark: A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

Why do you have to take science on faith? You could just educate yourself. It's not a secret.


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Drink it in.
 
2014-03-16 10:20:04 PM  

Ned Stark: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

Ultimately its the same shiat. A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.


One of the key elements of a proper scientific theory is reproducibility. If the scientific community cannot reproduce your experiments and results, your claims will not be accepted. No faith involved. And in many cases your average joe can reproduce the same experiments, with enough research. The claims of religion that must be taken on faith are very different. Reproducibility is one of the key differences.
 
2014-03-16 10:23:06 PM  
We need to go to Titan
 
2014-03-16 10:24:50 PM  

Confabulat: Ned Stark: A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

Why do you have to take science on faith? You could just educate yourself. It's not a secret.


A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it. Or read all of it. Hell, Its very likely that new material is being produced faster than you can read, even assuming that you never want to do something else like eat, sleep, interact with other humans, etc.
 
2014-03-16 10:25:24 PM  

mark12A: too many commercials


Yeah, that's the downside of it airing on Fox instead of PBS. On the other hand, they weren't rough breaks, so the DVD set should be pretty epic, and I don't have the patience to wait.

Waldo Pepper: I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.


Such resemblance would be unsurprising if both are made in imitation of the original PBS "Cosmos".
 
2014-03-16 10:26:05 PM  

Pariah.: Ned Stark: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

Ultimately its the same shiat. A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.

One of the key elements of a proper scientific theory is reproducibility. If the scientific community cannot reproduce your experiments and results, your claims will not be accepted. No faith involved. And in many cases your average joe can reproduce the same experiments, with enough research. The claims of religion that must be taken on faith are very different. Reproducibility is one of the key differences.


Reproduction is overrated.

If you don't believe me, look at your parents and then look at yourself.

Genetics: Scientifically Proven, Demonstrably Evil.
 
2014-03-16 10:26:09 PM  

Pariah.: Ned Stark: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

Ultimately its the same shiat. A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.

One of the key elements of a proper scientific theory is reproducibility. If the scientific community cannot reproduce your experiments and results, your claims will not be accepted. No faith involved. And in many cases your average joe can reproduce the same experiments, with enough research. The claims of religion that must be taken on faith are very different. Reproducibility is one of the key differences.


Which is why evolution is still "just a theory" under the strictest terminology.
 
2014-03-16 10:26:50 PM  
Noah commercial at 9:29:30 in NYC, assuming Optimum didn't put it there.
 
2014-03-16 10:27:01 PM  

Ned Stark: A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it.


You don't have to independently check all of it. Understanding the basic concepts is fine. No one can every be an expert in all things science of course, but that doesn't mean you can't figure out a good chunk of it if you put in the time.
 
2014-03-16 10:27:15 PM  

Waldo Pepper: thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.

I disagree.  I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.  Now maybe this due to really my hearing the audio and not watching the video.


So what if it is a threat? It's high time you stopped believing fairy tale garbage and start being humble enough to admit that belief in some higher power is really pointless.
 
2014-03-16 10:27:30 PM  
 
2014-03-16 10:28:36 PM  

Pariah.: Waldo Pepper: Pariah.: He just biatched-slapped the 'God of the Gaps' mentality right in the face.

How?

That line about Science operating on the the edge between knowledge and ignorance, not afraid to admit what we don't know, no shame in that. The only shame is claiming that we have all the answers.

"God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence"

Sometimes related to or used to mean similar thing to the argument from ignorance fallacy. Such arguments are popular with the anti-science crowd.


I believe that God made the laws of the universe at the big bang and adhered to them since then. Did God say "poof, life!"? No. Did he make sure that lightning hit the right pool of goo and caused amino acids to start clumping together? I'll buy that. But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.
 
2014-03-16 10:28:52 PM  

Confabulat: No one can every be an expert in all things science of course,


which means you're going to have to take it on....

something. soup crackers maybe?
 
2014-03-16 10:29:34 PM  

Ned Stark: Confabulat: Ned Stark: A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

Why do you have to take science on faith? You could just educate yourself. It's not a secret.

A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it. Or read all of it. Hell, Its very likely that new material is being produced faster than you can read, even assuming that you never want to do something else like eat, sleep, interact with other humans, etc.


True. That's why science is set up the way it is. Massive communities of experts in small segments of that huge ever-growing body of knowledge, all checking each others work. We who aren't scientists, and even scientists who are not experts on the field in question, trust those who are to verify a scientific claim or theory. I would say that trust and faith are two slightly different things. We trust the experts, because the things we are trusting them on are knowable. The veracity of things you take on faith from a religion are unknowable.

That's my take on the difference between the two words, anyway.
 
2014-03-16 10:30:38 PM  

Ned Stark: Confabulat: No one can every be an expert in all things science of course,

which means you're going to have to take it on....

something. soup crackers maybe?


Not at all. I spent twelve years in college (hey I was in no rush) and I got a fine grounding in most scientific basics. I understand the math, I understand the concepts, and I understand how it works, for the most part (only like 3 people in the world understand theoretical physics, but otherwise).

It's not a secret. You just have to work at it.
 
2014-03-16 10:32:34 PM  

Pariah.: I would say that trust and faith are two slightly different things


Well now we've run up against a philosophical gap that we probably won't be able to bridge here.

pub?
 
2014-03-16 10:32:56 PM  

enry: Pariah.: Waldo Pepper: Pariah.: He just biatched-slapped the 'God of the Gaps' mentality right in the face.

How?

That line about Science operating on the the edge between knowledge and ignorance, not afraid to admit what we don't know, no shame in that. The only shame is claiming that we have all the answers.

"God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence"

Sometimes related to or used to mean similar thing to the argument from ignorance fallacy. Such arguments are popular with the anti-science crowd.

I believe that God made the laws of the universe at the big bang and adhered to them since then. Did God say "poof, life!"? No. Did he make sure that lightning hit the right pool of goo and caused amino acids to start clumping together? I'll buy that. But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.


From that statement you do not adhere to the god of the gaps philosophy. Your point of view is a fairly common one, because it does make a lot of sense. I know plenty of religious scientists who feel the same way as you. They delve into the mysteries of the universe and see the wonder of God's creation.

/And ain't nothin' wrong with that.
 
2014-03-16 10:33:38 PM  

The Lone Gunman: So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.


Nah, that's just you.
 
2014-03-16 10:34:30 PM  

geom_00: tudorgurl: I'm recording these for our son, who's 4. He loved the first one, and I know he'll love this one. :)

I wish I would have known about Carl Sagan/Cosmos when I was your son's age.


Hey, you had Pliny the Elder and Archimedes!
 
2014-03-16 10:35:23 PM  

Ned Stark: Pariah.: I would say that trust and faith are two slightly different things

Well now we've run up against a philosophical gap that we probably won't be able to bridge here.

pub?


Would be nice. I'll just settle for some Sake while I code.

/I don't mean to make 'faith' a bad word like some do. Just trying to use my words.
 
2014-03-16 10:35:51 PM  

IronTom: farkingismybusiness: If I evolved from trees then how come there are still trees?

they smoked


Hahaha!
 
2014-03-16 10:36:51 PM  

Ned Stark: The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.


Miracles -- or more precisely, Shamanic Mediation -- is more the result of the engineers applying the understanding that the priests of science assemble, rather than of the priests themselves.

Confabulat: Why do you have to take science on faith?


Ultimately, Münchhausen's trilemma -- though the minimal effectively necessary tenets aren't that exciting a creed.
 
2014-03-16 10:37:30 PM  
Waldo Pepper: thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.

I disagree.  I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.  Now maybe this due to really my hearing the audio and not watching the video.


Yes. Not watching the videos would probably bias you as to not understanding the context of the animations. Animations that Tyson was trying to explain to people with no science background.

Your statement is the equivalent of "I read the bible, didn't read the words, looked at the spacing, felt heavy, weird feeling pages- overall not a fan."

/Catholic
 
2014-03-16 10:37:42 PM  

enry: But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.


A lot of us believe that physics and evolution are just God's way of making things happen - it's His way to get us where we are. Genesis is pure allegory - this is widely accepted by Christians - but you only hear about the fringe who do not believe this to be the case. There are 2 billion of us, some have it wrong.
 
2014-03-16 10:39:12 PM  
I really do like Neil deGrasse Tyson, and I saw the Carl Sagan's Cosmos years ago, but I'm having a tough time getting into Neil's updated version.  I have no issues with the information, it's just he seems out of place in presenting it in this version.  There are many "yawn" moments.
 
2014-03-16 10:50:17 PM  

Confabulat: dopekitty74: Seth McFarlane is involved in this? Interesting....

He's the only reason it got made.


It still doesn't put him in the black
 
2014-03-16 10:50:46 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Genesis is pure allegory - this is widely accepted by Christians - but you only hear about the fringe who do not believe this to be the case.


In the US these days, calling Christians who do not consider Genesis purely allegory a "fringe" is about the same as calling the American voters who self-identify as (total across leaning to strongly) Republican a "fringe".
 
2014-03-16 10:51:05 PM  
Could you guys kindly take this out of my awesome TV show discussion thread? Thanks.
 
2014-03-16 10:51:24 PM  

thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.

I disagree.  I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.  Now maybe this due to really my hearing the audio and not watching the video.

Yes. Not watching the videos would probably bias you as to not understanding the context of the animations. Animations that Tyson was trying to explain to people with no science background.

Your statement is the equivalent of "I read the bible, didn't read the words, looked at the spacing, felt heavy, weird feeling pages- overall not a fan."

/Catholic


not a fair comparison. you can't read text without seeing the text.  This could be a lot like the Nixon/Kennedy debate where those who heard it on radio thought Nixon won and those who saw it on TV thought Kennedy won.
 
2014-03-16 10:53:27 PM  
Online streams anywhere yet....?
 
2014-03-16 10:54:08 PM  

Confabulat: Do you also think people here are anti-vaccine?


I've asked it here before, and honestly, is seems to be a split. Left wing crackpots, right wing crackpots - some of them cling to this idea. I would hope - and maybe I'm hoping too much - that you would agree that we should vaccinate.
 
2014-03-16 10:55:21 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Confabulat: Do you also think people here are anti-vaccine?

I've asked it here before, and honestly, is seems to be a split. Left wing crackpots, right wing crackpots - some of them cling to this idea. I would hope - and maybe I'm hoping too much - that you would agree that we should vaccinate.


I said in this thread. This is a Cosmos thread. Do you think anyone here is anti-vaccine?
 
2014-03-16 10:58:40 PM  

E.S.Q.: Online streams anywhere yet....?


Whatever you do, don't cross them.
 
2014-03-16 10:59:42 PM  

Confabulat: Hey, I'm not a Democrat either! And I'm completely against military intervention in Syria!


We agree, and no I'm not a registered Republican.

Confabulat: Do you think anyone here is anti-vaccine?


Good.

We should rent the bridal room at motel 6. With babes and champagne of course.
 
2014-03-16 11:05:50 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: We should rent the bridal room at motel 6. With babes and champagne of course.


Works for me, though I'm more a vodka kind of guy myself.
 
2014-03-16 11:08:00 PM  

WhoopAssWayne: Confabulat: Hey, I'm not a Democrat either! And I'm completely against military intervention in Syria!

We agree, and no I'm not a registered Republican.

Confabulat: Do you think anyone here is anti-vaccine?

Good.

We should rent the bridal room at motel 6. With babes and champagne of course.


Yeah I think the crowd that you're gonna get in these threads, while including plenty of atheists, is mostly gonna be the smart science-y demographic. Hopefully not a lot of the crackpost from either 'side'.

/Those guys are no fun, whoever they vote for.
//Now SCIENCE, that's fun!
 
2014-03-16 11:18:53 PM  

Pariah.: Yeah I think the crowd that you're gonna get in these threads, while including plenty of atheists, is mostly gonna be the smart science-y demographic.


Nope. They are the Journalism and Media and Communications majors - or worse. They are the least intelligent.
 
2014-03-16 11:19:18 PM  
I wonder what the crossover between this and the FWC wrestling threads are.

/why yes I lurk in and enjoy both
//chairshots for science
///and slashies
 
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