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2014-03-16 07:39:44 PM
Welcome to the "Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey Episode" discussion thread and drinking game!

Season 1, Episode 2
Episode Synopsis: A look at canine breeds and how they're related to wolves; an examination of the human eye. Also: a visit to the Hall of Extinction.

Tonight's rules:

Neil says:

Billion(s) - big sip
Billions and billions - finish your drink
Evolution - sip
Cosmos - sip
Extinction - sip
 
2014-03-16 07:47:50 PM
I vote for this thread to go green.
 
2014-03-16 07:52:16 PM
I'm doubting this race will be over in time. Anyone know if it will be a delay or moved to another channel?
 
2014-03-16 07:56:04 PM
Yaaay!
 
2014-03-16 07:57:42 PM
nm, race mode to FS1. We are green for launch.
 
2014-03-16 08:10:48 PM
Oh god, my liver can't handle a drinking game tonight, I've been drinking since 8pm last night, with brief pauses for sleep.
 
2014-03-16 08:12:09 PM
Well, crap. I won't be participating in this one. Cosmos isn't on until 8:00 Arizona time, and isn't being simulcast on other channels like it was last week.

Stupid time zones.
 
2014-03-16 08:18:56 PM
Nice, you got the greenlight this time!
 
2014-03-16 08:19:47 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Well, crap. I won't be participating in this one. Cosmos isn't on until 8:00 Arizona time, and isn't being simulcast on other channels like it was last week.

Stupid time zones.


Tape it and we can watch it tuesday!
 
2014-03-16 08:23:13 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Well, crap. I won't be participating in this one. Cosmos isn't on until 8:00 Arizona time, and isn't being simulcast on other channels like it was last week.

Stupid time zones.


Woah. I didn't realize they weren't doing a simulcast for other episodes. Only Fox broadcast now.
 
2014-03-16 08:24:34 PM

enry: ecmoRandomNumbers: Well, crap. I won't be participating in this one. Cosmos isn't on until 8:00 Arizona time, and isn't being simulcast on other channels like it was last week.

Stupid time zones.

Woah. I didn't realize they weren't doing a simulcast for other episodes. Only Fox broadcast now.


Last week's Fox broadcast seemed to have odd digital mess-ups, hopefully that will be resolved this time.
 
2014-03-16 08:27:01 PM
I already watched this episode tomorrow.
 
2014-03-16 08:27:45 PM
Huh? I thought it was moving to Monday...it's not Monday is it.
 
2014-03-16 08:33:44 PM
I think it's on Fox on Sun nights and NatGeo on Mondays.
 
2014-03-16 08:35:17 PM
I usually work sunday nights, didn't know this was a thing. Guess i better grab my bottle of sailor jerry's
 
2014-03-16 08:36:01 PM

Via Infinito: I think it's on Fox on Sun nights and NatGeo on Mondays.


There is way too much to watch on Sunday nights. I can't even DVR it. I watch Shameless, Walking Dead, Cosmos, and starting again soon is Nurse Jackie and DaVinci's Demons. I can't keep up with it all. I have to torrent.
 
2014-03-16 08:41:25 PM
wish it wasn't on the same time as Walking Dead but thankfully they repeat WD at 11 pm
 
2014-03-16 08:41:37 PM
I haven't even watched the first episode yet.  Recorded it but been too busy to watch.  Was it good?
 
2014-03-16 08:41:50 PM
So, do I have to have a TV for this thing? Or is there a place I can watch online for free?
 
2014-03-16 08:44:06 PM
What are the odds of the Oklahoma TV station farking it up accidentally on purpose again?
 
2014-03-16 08:44:35 PM

ecmoRandomNumbers: Via Infinito: I think it's on Fox on Sun nights and NatGeo on Mondays.

There is way too much to watch on Sunday nights. I can't even DVR it. I watch Shameless, Walking Dead, Cosmos, and starting again soon is Nurse Jackie and DaVinci's Demons. I can't keep up with it all. I have to torrent.


Not sure how long it takes for them to put up the latest episode, but you can try cosmosontv.com later in the week.
 
2014-03-16 08:46:19 PM

theguyyousaw: So, do I have to have a TV for this thing? Or is there a place I can watch online for free?


Gird your Adblockers, then google "Watch fox live". Pick one. I'm using stream2watch.me which seems to work.
 
2014-03-16 08:47:41 PM
Central Oklahoma rules: Drink every time a commercial is shown instead of a mention of evolution.

/Actually I am damn sure last week was a mistake.  But if it is not, better have at least a hundred drinks ready.
 
2014-03-16 08:47:41 PM
Damn, I'm already drinking
 
2014-03-16 08:49:46 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: Damn, I'm already drinking


Thinking of a martini, maybe
 
2014-03-16 08:51:34 PM
Cosmos on soon, Walking Dead on DVR, as is Bar Rescue.

My Sunday evening is set!
 
2014-03-16 08:52:04 PM

ciberido: I haven't even watched the first episode yet.  Recorded it but been too busy to watch.  Was it good?


It's great for what it's meant to be - something to get kids excited about natural science and discovery. Neil is entertaining, and it looks like he's gong to be touching on some pretty fresh theories.

Nothing mind-blowing if you're a relatively educated adult and keep up on astronomy news, and those who watched the original when they were kids seem to be underwhelmed (probably nostalgia defeating objectivity).
 
2014-03-16 08:53:31 PM
Seven minutes to go.
i.imgur.com
Start the countdown.
 
2014-03-16 08:53:35 PM
Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?
 
2014-03-16 08:54:56 PM
It's like waiting for atheist church to start
 
2014-03-16 08:55:27 PM
I like how you can tell it's on Fox because they got Craig Robinson from Hot Tub Time Machine to host.
 
2014-03-16 08:55:39 PM
I'm curious why a science show is rated PG-DV?????
 
2014-03-16 08:55:53 PM

John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?


No. Next week we are all gonna be a bunch of grumpy guses.
 
2014-03-16 08:56:00 PM

John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?


Why, is this a burden upon you? Can you just not stand a thread once a week that you have every option of ignoring?
 
2014-03-16 08:56:37 PM
Just another heathen TV show by some Darwin loving Devil worshipers.
 
2014-03-16 08:56:51 PM
bluenovaman

What are the odds of the Oklahoma TV station farking it up accidentally on purpose again?

something something tree of knowledge something something
 
2014-03-16 08:57:05 PM
Glad to see a Cosmos thread. Hopefully we can make this a weekly thing for the duration! :D
 
2014-03-16 08:58:06 PM

clkeagle: ciberido: I haven't even watched the first episode yet.  Recorded it but been too busy to watch.  Was it good?

It's great for what it's meant to be - something to get kids excited about natural science and discovery. Neil is entertaining, and it looks like he's gong to be touching on some pretty fresh theories.

Nothing mind-blowing if you're a relatively educated adult and keep up on astronomy news, and those who watched the original when they were kids seem to be underwhelmed (probably nostalgia defeating objectivity).


Well they did start with the kid gloves.

today's generation to be inspired is not the same as the original cosmos. They are ambitious, but in a different way/goal in mind.

i think the gentle coaxing into bigger is not a bad way to go, but yes, i am a bit underwhelmed.
 
2014-03-16 08:59:06 PM

Pariah.: Glad to see a Cosmos thread. Hopefully we can make this a weekly thing for the duration! :D


I'd be totally OK with this.
 
2014-03-16 08:59:50 PM
SCIENCE!
 
2014-03-16 09:00:39 PM
Nice campfire.
 
2014-03-16 09:00:39 PM
You leave my dog out of this!
 
2014-03-16 09:01:07 PM
Uh oh the Oklahoma station is going to accidently run promos over this whole episode.
 
2014-03-16 09:01:19 PM

tudorgurl: SCIENCE!


TUDOR!!!!

STAND BACK!  We're about to hear SCIENCE!!!
 
2014-03-16 09:01:25 PM

John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?


Hopefully.
 
2014-03-16 09:01:48 PM
And man this theme music sucks.
 
2014-03-16 09:02:02 PM
Seth McFarlane is involved in this? Interesting....
 
2014-03-16 09:02:22 PM
How many dogs?
i.somethingawful.com
 
2014-03-16 09:02:45 PM
Here in Portland, they're showing the broadcast at a beer-friendly movie theater. Pity I won't be able to go.
 
2014-03-16 09:02:47 PM

dopekitty74: Seth McFarlane is involved in this? Interesting....


He's the only reason it got made.
 
2014-03-16 09:02:56 PM
Puppies!
 
2014-03-16 09:03:13 PM

IronTom: Nice campfire.


Looks like things have gotten rough for scientists.

"Will do science for money."
 
2014-03-16 09:03:25 PM

Confabulat: And man this theme music sucks.


I sing the enterprise theme song instead.
 
2014-03-16 09:03:26 PM
Not the most flattering jacket, Neil.
 
2014-03-16 09:03:28 PM

DORMAMU: clkeagle: ciberido: I haven't even watched the first episode yet.  Recorded it but been too busy to watch.  Was it good?

It's great for what it's meant to be - something to get kids excited about natural science and discovery. Neil is entertaining, and it looks like he's gong to be touching on some pretty fresh theories.

Nothing mind-blowing if you're a relatively educated adult and keep up on astronomy news, and those who watched the original when they were kids seem to be underwhelmed (probably nostalgia defeating objectivity).

Well they did start with the kid gloves.

today's generation to be inspired is not the same as the original cosmos. They are ambitious, but in a different way/goal in mind.

i think the gentle coaxing into bigger is not a bad way to go, but yes, i am a bit underwhelmed.


I'm exited because I was too young when the original came out. And I'm a science and NASA-loving adult now that the new one is out. I've heard that TF used to have drinking parties watching the original Cosmos. It'd be great to do that with a weekly green thread for the new one.
 
2014-03-16 09:03:58 PM
nodog 30 thousand years ago, this was after the exact date of the beginning of the earth and the exact date of the start of the universe.
 
2014-03-16 09:04:01 PM
Where's Liam Neeson when we need him?
 
2014-03-16 09:04:42 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-16 09:04:46 PM
F'n freeloading dogs! Get a job!
 
2014-03-16 09:05:00 PM
Wolves are the coolest thing ever.
 
2014-03-16 09:05:20 PM
Damn. I was hoping to see NDT taping liquor bottles to his gloves...
 
2014-03-16 09:05:42 PM
dog just earned a steak.
 
2014-03-16 09:06:44 PM
I'm recording these for our son, who's 4. He loved the first one, and I know he'll love this one. :)
 
2014-03-16 09:06:45 PM
RUN ANTELOPE RUN
 
2014-03-16 09:07:26 PM
And Ken Ham is now outlawing ALL dogs.
 
2014-03-16 09:07:29 PM
PUPPIES!!

I'm going to especially enjoy this episode if it's going to be all this happiness, sunshine, and puppies.
 
2014-03-16 09:07:49 PM
Puppies!
 
2014-03-16 09:07:52 PM
Dogs are such sellouts.
 
2014-03-16 09:08:01 PM

Confabulat: dopekitty74: Seth McFarlane is involved in this? Interesting....

He's the only reason it got made.


Well good for him! I love his cartoons, but good to see he's promoting something more educational for a change
 
2014-03-16 09:08:02 PM
what a cute puppy
 
2014-03-16 09:08:30 PM
Artificial selection? What happened to selective breeding?
 
2014-03-16 09:08:33 PM

JerseyTim: Dogs are such sellouts.


I liked dogs before they went mainstream
 
2014-03-16 09:08:45 PM
I can't wait for the fundie brigade to lose their shiat over tonight's episode.
 
2014-03-16 09:08:54 PM
Oh the facebook rants that this episode will bring. It'll almost be as much fun as the episode itself.
 
2014-03-16 09:09:08 PM

Luthien's Tempest: PUPPIES!!

I'm going to especially enjoy this episode if it's going to be all this happiness, sunshine, and puppies.


and extinction
 
2014-03-16 09:09:31 PM

cmb53208: Puppies!


20 seconds...
 
2014-03-16 09:09:58 PM

7th Son of a 7th Son: I can't wait for the fundie brigade to lose their shiat over tonight's episode.


It will be fun!
 
2014-03-16 09:10:04 PM
Oh oh, evolution here we come.

I wonder how that TV station will edit this part
 
2014-03-16 09:10:05 PM

John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?


not a fan of the show? then why post in here?
 
2014-03-16 09:10:29 PM

IronTom: Luthien's Tempest: PUPPIES!!

I'm going to especially enjoy this episode if it's going to be all this happiness, sunshine, and puppies.

and extinction


Well, extinction can be fun, too... When do I get to start extincting things?
 
2014-03-16 09:11:00 PM

tudorgurl: I'm recording these for our son, who's 4. He loved the first one, and I know he'll love this one. :)


I wish I would have known about Carl Sagan/Cosmos when I was your son's age.
 
2014-03-16 09:11:34 PM

trappedspirit: It's like waiting for atheist church to start


Lol.
 
2014-03-16 09:11:39 PM
Richard Dawkins might sue for copyright infringement from that first dogs segment.
 
2014-03-16 09:11:42 PM

Luthien's Tempest: IronTom: Luthien's Tempest: PUPPIES!!

I'm going to especially enjoy this episode if it's going to be all this happiness, sunshine, and puppies.

and extinction

Well, extinction can be fun, too... When do I get to start extincting things?


spiders, go!
 
2014-03-16 09:11:46 PM

John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?


Yes
 
2014-03-16 09:12:58 PM
the great bears all got killed by dinomorphogenic global warming
 
2014-03-16 09:13:19 PM
Time to get some lovin on!
 
2014-03-16 09:13:24 PM
Great, now we're inside a bear's ladyparts.
 
2014-03-16 09:13:24 PM

John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?


Hopefully
 
2014-03-16 09:13:30 PM
I assume that the second half of the episode will be providing equal time to the Creationist (specifically, young-Earth Christian creationism) point of view.
 
2014-03-16 09:13:42 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: Central Oklahoma rules: Drink every time a commercial is shown instead of a mention of evolution.

Confabulat: Uh oh the Oklahoma station is going to accidently run promos over this whole episode.


If the entire episode is pre-empted on your station, finish your bottle of bourbon and dial 911 for alcohol poisoning?

trappedspirit: It's like waiting for atheist church to start

tudorgurl: SCIENCE!


wearscience.com!

 
2014-03-16 09:13:46 PM

BeerBear: John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?

not a fan of the show? then why post in here?


I just find it amusing there's a thread on this guy 2 or 3 times a week.
 
2014-03-16 09:14:17 PM

IronTom: Luthien's Tempest: IronTom: Luthien's Tempest: PUPPIES!!

I'm going to especially enjoy this episode if it's going to be all this happiness, sunshine, and puppies.

and extinction

Well, extinction can be fun, too... When do I get to start extincting things?

spiders, go!


I'm doing my best, but my husband has this thing with keeping me away from fire, chemicals, and anything else that could possibly be fu-I mean dangerous on a large scale. Jerk...

Though... come to think of it, I might be able to convince him if it's to get rid of spiders. It's my job to kill the ones that get into our apartment, anyway.
 
2014-03-16 09:14:20 PM
Cryptic is probably liking this one
 
2014-03-16 09:14:51 PM
Okay, this is pretty cool.
 
2014-03-16 09:15:17 PM
When the first Cosmos came out. They had a text book..and schools and colleges would offer it as an option.

It's sad that such a thing in a public school today would not even be considered.
We're going backwards...can't even send a man into space without hitchhiking with the Russians.

Thanks...Republicans; you made a great stupid work force for cheap labor.
 
2014-03-16 09:15:19 PM
www.homevideos.com
 
2014-03-16 09:15:37 PM
Suddenly the Biology degree doesn't seem like a waste.... yet
 
2014-03-16 09:15:37 PM

geom_00: tudorgurl: I'm recording these for our son, who's 4. He loved the first one, and I know he'll love this one. :)

I wish I would have known about Carl Sagan/Cosmos when I was your son's age.


I remember watching old episodes on KERA with my dad when I was a kid. I devoured the book version of the series that my dad bought. It just sucks that I was better at English and literature than I ever was at science and math. :) I'd be getting paid way more if it was flipped!
 
2014-03-16 09:16:09 PM
I'm going to put "living universe" on my resume.

Does that go under skills or hobbies?
 
2014-03-16 09:16:16 PM

John Buck 41: BeerBear: John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?

not a fan of the show? then why post in here?

I just find it amusing there's a thread on this guy 2 or 3 times a week.


Did you see how he trolled gravity on twitter?
 
2014-03-16 09:16:31 PM

shanrick: I already watched this episode tomorrow.


I do post production work for 20th Century Fox and have seen the first 5 episodes. The universe ceases to exist in that episode, so drink accordingly.
 
2014-03-16 09:16:37 PM
That animation for the DNA copier is pretty sweet.
 
2014-03-16 09:16:40 PM

big pig peaches: John Buck 41: BeerBear: John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?

not a fan of the show? then why post in here?

I just find it amusing there's a thread on this guy 2 or 3 times a week.

Did you see how he trolled gravity on twitter?


LINK PLEASE
 
2014-03-16 09:16:54 PM

optikeye: Thanks...Republicans; you made a great stupid work force for cheap labor.


Not an accident.
 
2014-03-16 09:18:01 PM
I need this segment for when I teach my camouflage class. That was so simple and awesome.
 
2014-03-16 09:18:49 PM
Polar bears aren't white. Their fur is clear.
 
2014-03-16 09:19:06 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

Explain this bear, Neil.
 
2014-03-16 09:19:18 PM

picodenico: I need this segment for when I teach my camouflage class. That was so simple and awesome.


Hello, Good Sir.
 
2014-03-16 09:19:21 PM
"And today, polar bears have evolved to enjoy the taste of an ice cold Coke."
 
2014-03-16 09:19:27 PM

John Buck 41: BeerBear: John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?

not a fan of the show? then why post in here?

I just find it amusing there's a thread on this guy 2 or 3 times a week.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-16 09:19:42 PM
D'AAWWWWWWW! Polar bear cubs!


don't judge me
 
2014-03-16 09:19:48 PM
Wait, so individual animals don't evolve? Pokemon lied to me!

/'The uproar has never died down. Why?'
//Ooh boy, here we go.
 
2014-03-16 09:20:02 PM

tudorgurl: big pig peaches: John Buck 41: BeerBear: John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?

not a fan of the show? then why post in here?

I just find it amusing there's a thread on this guy 2 or 3 times a week.

Did you see how he trolled gravity on twitter?

LINK PLEASE


Can't find it, but it was pretty hilarious.
 
2014-03-16 09:20:20 PM

JerseyTim: "And today, polar bears have evolved to enjoy the taste of an ice cold Coke."


And Puffins have evolved to Open Coke Bottles with its beak.
 
2014-03-16 09:20:20 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Polar bears aren't white. Their fur is clear.


And their skin is black.
 
2014-03-16 09:20:49 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Polar bears aren't white. Their fur is clear.


We're already confusing enough people. No need to make it more bizarre. But it wouldn't have killed them to say "white looking fur."
 
2014-03-16 09:20:55 PM
My real lesson from this episode looks to be that my husband is going to be eaten by a bear one day while wandering up to it and exclaiming "Puppy!" looking to pet it.  "It's got eyes, two ears, and fur, it's a puppy."

I'm so glad he has life insurance.
 
2014-03-16 09:21:07 PM
cdn.itechnews.net
 
2014-03-16 09:21:14 PM

geom_00: picodenico: I need this segment for when I teach my camouflage class. That was so simple and awesome.

Hello, Good Sir.


*waves*
 
2014-03-16 09:21:42 PM
Sure, Neil Degrasse Tyson is great and all, but how much better would Cosmos be if it were narrated by Rust Cohle?
 
2014-03-16 09:21:53 PM

Luthien's Tempest: I'm so glad he has life insurance.


Hmmm.   I need to keep this on file...

;)
 
2014-03-16 09:23:06 PM
Can't wait for the religious folks to see this week's episode.
 
2014-03-16 09:23:06 PM

Pariah.: Wait, so individual animals don't evolve? Pokemon lied to me!

/'The uproar has never died down. Why?'
//Ooh boy, here we go.


I hope so.Don't be polite,Neil.
 
2014-03-16 09:23:25 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: D'AAWWWWWWW! Polar bear cubs!


don't judge me


Just remember that this:
upload.wikimedia.org

grows into this:

img.thesun.co.uk
 
2014-03-16 09:23:28 PM

JerseyTim: Sure, Neil Degrasse Tyson is great and all, but how much better would Cosmos be if it were narrated by Rust Cohle?


I was thinking Larry the Cable Guy
 
2014-03-16 09:24:13 PM
Oh yeah. Here goes nuttin...
 
2014-03-16 09:24:15 PM
HE FLUNG POO!!!
 
2014-03-16 09:24:30 PM
I didn't evolve from no stinking tree.
 
2014-03-16 09:24:42 PM

Keyser_Soze_Death: Can't wait for the religious folks to see this week's episode.


Religious people would have shut this off already.
 
2014-03-16 09:24:52 PM
"Humans are not proud of their ancestors, and rarely invite them round to dinner."
 
2014-03-16 09:25:09 PM

JerseyTim: Sure, Neil Degrasse Tyson is great and all, but how much better would Cosmos be if it were narrated by Rust Cohle?


YES!
 
2014-03-16 09:25:23 PM

nmrsnr: But it wouldn't have killed them to say "white looking fur."


There's a two-word phrase for "white looking fur."

It's "white fur".
 
2014-03-16 09:25:24 PM

Luthien's Tempest: My real lesson from this episode looks to be that my husband is going to be eaten by a bear one day while wandering up to it and exclaiming "Puppy!" looking to pet it.  "It's got eyes, two ears, and fur, it's a puppy."

I'm so glad he has life insurance.


Oh my god, I just snorted so loud I scared my dog. LMAO
 
2014-03-16 09:25:33 PM
If I evolved from trees then how come there are still trees?
 
2014-03-16 09:25:36 PM
this is going to cause a lot of butt hurt.
 
2014-03-16 09:25:39 PM
Way too boring
 
2014-03-16 09:25:42 PM
So I am a tree?
 
2014-03-16 09:25:54 PM

tudorgurl: big pig peaches: John Buck 41: BeerBear: John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?

not a fan of the show? then why post in here?

I just find it amusing there's a thread on this guy 2 or 3 times a week.

Did you see how he trolled gravity on twitter?

LINK PLEASE


http://www.buzzfeed.com/adambvary/neil-degrasse-tyson-trolled-gravit y- on-twitter 

This is what googles gave me. I haven't actually read it yet, because lazy.

geom_00: Luthien's Tempest: I'm so glad he has life insurance.

Hmmm.   I need to keep this on file...

;)


I suspect border security might take issue if you describe your reason for entering Canada is to find a way to get one of it's citizens eaten by a bear in a tragically hilarious manner. But if I see a random bear wandering Halifax, I know to blame you lol
 
2014-03-16 09:26:05 PM

geom_00: HE FLUNG POO!!!


Hu Flung Poo?

/so sorry
 
2014-03-16 09:26:18 PM

geom_00: And Ken Ham is now outlawing ALL dogs.


Ken Ham is fine with admitting the existence of artificial selection; most of it is recent enough to count as "observational science" in his mind.

Dimensio: I assume that the second half of the episode will be providing equal time to the Creationist (specifically, young-Earth Christian creationism) point of view.


They're probably giving it proportional time. They think the universe was created six thousand years ago instead of 13.8 billion years ago, so they'll probably get about 15 milliseconds.
 
2014-03-16 09:26:27 PM
I love NDTyson. "Science, biatches. It works."
 
2014-03-16 09:26:45 PM
I have read creationist arguments that note shared genetic content between humans and bananas, phrased as though the theory of evolution does not imply that humans and bananas share common ancestry. I am pleased that Dr. Tyson explicitly addressed the common ancestry between humans and plants right away.

Creationists will, of course, ignore it and continue to use false arguments, because creationists are notoriously dishonest.
 
Boe
2014-03-16 09:26:47 PM
Let's not lump all religious people together.  Most of them do not have an issue with science.
 
2014-03-16 09:26:48 PM

tudorgurl: big pig peaches: John Buck 41: BeerBear: John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?

not a fan of the show? then why post in here?

I just find it amusing there's a thread on this guy 2 or 3 times a week.

Did you see how he trolled gravity on twitter?

LINK PLEASE


http://imgur.com/gallery/lGXFa

And he's a big deal for STEM. He's a PhD astrophysicist who sees the importance of education and science, not the rejection of scientific theory we see argued about in the news constantly over pseudoscience and theology based theories being passed off as science.

Show was originally created by a scientist who saw the importance of public education even though he was a top adviser for NASA.

We have him, Bill Nye, and Steven Hawking as scientist who aren't afraid to go in front of the media.
 
2014-03-16 09:26:49 PM

Keyser_Soze_Death: Can't wait for the religious folks to see this week's episode.


I'm religious and love it.

Then again I'm just religious, not a dumbass homophobic fundie.
 
2014-03-16 09:26:51 PM
Cuttlefish!
 
2014-03-16 09:27:55 PM
I think he might be on to something about us being related to trees. Everyday I wake up with morning wood.
 
2014-03-16 09:27:59 PM

farkingismybusiness: If I evolved from trees then how come there are still trees?


they smoked
 
2014-03-16 09:28:06 PM
Ugh, my bark is itching.
 
2014-03-16 09:28:14 PM
I expect to read of complaints from viewers offended by the blatant display of hot wasp on orchid action.
 
2014-03-16 09:28:20 PM
uh oh, he's going to lay the smack down on creationism.
 
2014-03-16 09:29:09 PM

farkingismybusiness: If I evolved from trees then how come there are still trees?


LOL!
 
2014-03-16 09:29:10 PM
The eye? They're actually going for the one thing the intelligent design crowd explicitly states as being too complex to be naturally evolved? Oh snap.
 
2014-03-16 09:29:29 PM
Hahahhah eyes. Epic troll achieved.
 
2014-03-16 09:29:46 PM
Once again, needs better music
 
2014-03-16 09:29:50 PM
Sounds like they are still making noise in space. This is obviously all wrong.
 
2014-03-16 09:29:59 PM
Where we're going, we won't need eyes to see...
 
2014-03-16 09:30:00 PM
Uh oh, fundies are running away again.
 
2014-03-16 09:30:10 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: uh oh, he's going to lay the smack down on creationism.


THIS is gonna be SWEET!!

/I PRAY my fundie Aunt is watching this show...
 
2014-03-16 09:30:26 PM

farkingismybusiness: I think he might be on to something about us being related to trees. Everyday I wake up with morning wood.


SCIENCE!
 
2014-03-16 09:30:49 PM
This is the only TV I watch, is Noah being pushed this hard on other channels and TV shows?
 
2014-03-16 09:30:55 PM

WhyteRaven74: The eye? They're actually going for the one thing the intelligent design crowd explicitly states as being too complex to be naturally evolved? Oh snap.


Yep. I am loving it.
 
2014-03-16 09:30:59 PM
There's that commercial for that ridiculous action-movie adaptation of the story of Noah's Ark.

The mind boggles.
 
2014-03-16 09:31:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: The eye? They're actually going for the one thing the intelligent design crowd explicitly states as being too complex to be naturally evolved? Oh snap.


I am disappointed that he did not reference the often incompletely referenced quote from Mr. Darwin on the subject.

/Still has time, I suppose.
 
2014-03-16 09:31:24 PM

jaytkay: nmrsnr: But it wouldn't have killed them to say "white looking fur."

There's a two-word phrase for "white looking fur."

It's "white fur".


Nope. While white fur certainly is white-looking, a polar bears' fur, while it certainly looks white, is actually clear.
 
2014-03-16 09:31:27 PM

WhyteRaven74: The eye? They're actually going for the one thing the intelligent design crowd explicitly states as being too complex to be naturally evolved? Oh snap.




This is going to be good.


Oh who am I kidding? This already IS good.
 
2014-03-16 09:31:30 PM
An ad for a Noah's arc movie during Cosmos.  It's the end of the empire, folks.
 
2014-03-16 09:32:27 PM
24....in MY Cosmos?

/I'm VERY OK with this!!
 
2014-03-16 09:32:38 PM

geom_00: Representative of the unwashed masses: uh oh, he's going to lay the smack down on creationism.

THIS is gonna be SWEET!!

/I PRAY my fundie Aunt is watching this show...


she probably prays for you too.
 
2014-03-16 09:32:42 PM
And that is the real Surviving Jack, FOX.
 
2014-03-16 09:32:52 PM

Empty H: This is the only TV I watch, is Noah being pushed this hard on other channels and TV shows?


this is the first commercial I've seen for it.
 
2014-03-16 09:32:58 PM

Jesterling: An ad for a Noah's arc movie during Cosmos.  It's the end of the empire, folks.


Advertising companies know there are evangelicals out there watching Cosmos in order to get angry.
 
2014-03-16 09:33:06 PM

IronTom: Cryptic is probably liking this one


I am!
 
2014-03-16 09:34:12 PM

Dimensio: I expect to read of complaints from viewers offended by the blatant display of hot wasp on orchid action.


Heck, there was full frontal nudity in the chimp segment
 
2014-03-16 09:34:19 PM
Cosmos threads never used to be an anti-religion fest.
 
2014-03-16 09:34:32 PM
Was that a paramecium?
 
2014-03-16 09:35:03 PM

Confabulat: Keyser_Soze_Death: Can't wait for the religious folks to see this week's episode.

Religious people would have shut this off already.


Nope, they watch it so that they can fuel their outrage against the scientists, Fox, and everybody else who's not a fundy. It must hurt that the people who most hate this are the same people that watch Fox News.
 
2014-03-16 09:35:03 PM
NDT's pronounciation of the word 'good' is eerily similar to Carl's.

/atheist church. I snorted.
 
2014-03-16 09:35:10 PM

JerseyTim: Sure, Neil Degrasse Tyson is great and all, but how much better would Cosmos be if it were narrated by Rust Cohle?


Having Danica McKellar hosting would make the show slightly more fappable
www.wolfgnards.com
 
2014-03-16 09:35:15 PM

Ishkur: Once again, needs better music


I have a reissue of the soundtrack in my CD collection. I should probably burn it to MP3 or FLAC soon.
 
2014-03-16 09:35:19 PM

IronTom: Cosmos threads never used to be an anti-religion fest.


Over-stating it much?
 
2014-03-16 09:35:33 PM

geom_00: Was that a paramecium?


Vermicelli.
 
2014-03-16 09:35:45 PM
feels like I'm playing Spore
 
2014-03-16 09:35:58 PM
All those freaky things are pretty much why I don't go in the ocean.
 
2014-03-16 09:37:40 PM
Fish with their darkness-seeing eyes, think they're so cool. Go eat a worm, you stupid fish.
 
2014-03-16 09:38:00 PM

IronTom: Cosmos threads never used to be an anti-religion fest.


api.ning.com
Science damn you!
 
2014-03-16 09:38:06 PM
But but but the eye couldn't have arisen by random processes, which proves the existence of God!
 
2014-03-16 09:38:07 PM
Commercial for "Noah"... drink?
 
2014-03-16 09:38:29 PM
You hear that sound? That's the fundies having a heart attack.
 
2014-03-16 09:38:33 PM
I think some station in Oklahoma had "technical problems."
 
2014-03-16 09:38:35 PM

IronTom: Cosmos threads never used to be an anti-religion fest.


Religion and science are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Fundamentalism and science are. Making fun of fundies is low-hanging fruit but is still worth doing.
 
2014-03-16 09:38:36 PM
All the fundies just shat themselves with impotent rage.
 
2014-03-16 09:38:46 PM
Does this episode warrant the creation of a betting pool relating to the number of television stations that will cease airing future episodes of the program?
 
2014-03-16 09:39:02 PM
Evolution is real?!
 
2014-03-16 09:39:10 PM
This episode is amazing.
 
2014-03-16 09:39:11 PM
Ohhhhh "halls of extinction".
 
2014-03-16 09:39:14 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: IronTom: Cosmos threads never used to be an anti-religion fest.

Religion and science are not necessarily mutually exclusive. Fundamentalism and science are. Making fun of fundies is low-hanging fruit but is still worth doing.


OK
 
2014-03-16 09:39:23 PM
"THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION... IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT."


*does happy dance*
 
2014-03-16 09:39:26 PM
family guy sucked tonight
 
2014-03-16 09:39:30 PM

cmb53208: I think some station in Oklahoma had "technical problems."


Technical problems and several heart attacks and/or feinting spells.
 
2014-03-16 09:39:39 PM
Irreducable complexity just fell over dead.
 
2014-03-16 09:39:58 PM
I know we joke about science vs creationism on here, but I TRULY hope some kid watching this sees how cool science is, can be, and what all it can do.
 
2014-03-16 09:40:08 PM
I'm not sure if I'm following this exactly, but after this episode I'm going to go bang a tree to help evolution along.
 
2014-03-16 09:40:10 PM

Empty H: Ohhhhh "halls of extinction".


I hope there's a Kardashian in there.
 
2014-03-16 09:40:16 PM

farkingismybusiness: IronTom: Cosmos threads never used to be an anti-religion fest.

[api.ning.com image 590x456]
Science damn you!


Religion started forcing its way into science, public schools and government.  So it can fark off and die until it stops.
 
2014-03-16 09:40:35 PM

Unknown_Poltroon: All the fundies just shat themselves with impotent rage.


The fundies aren't actually watching. They'll just read some blog tomorrow that reinforces their preconceived world view
 
2014-03-16 09:40:50 PM
ok I know I shouldn't be doing this but...

I feed on chaos.
 
2014-03-16 09:41:01 PM

John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?


Hopefully.
 
2014-03-16 09:41:10 PM
I have such a man crush on NDT.
 
2014-03-16 09:41:14 PM
TOO MANY COMMERCIALS
 
2014-03-16 09:41:48 PM

JerseyTim: I'm not sure if I'm following this exactly, but after this episode I'm going to go bang a tree to help evolution along.


Make sure it isn't poison ivy.
 
2014-03-16 09:41:52 PM
Grabbing the bull by the horns. :D
I hope the show keeps up this respectful yet uncompromising tone.
 
2014-03-16 09:41:57 PM

JerseyTim: I'm not sure if I'm following this exactly, but after this episode I'm going to go bang a tree to help evolution along.


I don't think it works that way. Hope you don't get a splinter
 
2014-03-16 09:42:06 PM

geom_00: I know we joke about science vs creationism on here, but I TRULY hope some kid watching this sees how cool science is, can be, and what all it can do.


This. It should me more about spreading science instead of showing others how stupid they are.
 
2014-03-16 09:42:16 PM
Surviving Jack premise looks stupid.

/normal Fox?
 
2014-03-16 09:42:25 PM

catzies: John Buck 41: Is there gonna be a thread for this fu*king show every Sunday night?

Hopefully.


Agreed. And if you don't like it, don't click on the comments thread. Only 11 more after tonight. You'll survive, I suspect.
 
2014-03-16 09:42:28 PM

Donnchadha: Unknown_Poltroon: All the fundies just shat themselves with impotent rage.

The fundies aren't actually watching. They'll just read some blog tomorrow that reinforces their preconceived world view


The people who pretend to be fundies in order to write the blogs will be watching and taking notes.
 
2014-03-16 09:42:40 PM

JerseyTim: I'm not sure if I'm following this exactly, but after this episode I'm going to go bang a tree to help evolution along.

img.fark.net
HIYA TIM! WASSUP?
 
2014-03-16 09:42:45 PM

Iceman208481: family guy sucked tonight


Seth MacFarlane gets a permanent pass from me for making this a real thing that is happening.
 
2014-03-16 09:42:57 PM

Empty H: Ohhhhh "halls of extinction".


Not as good as the Halls of Medicine.

www.x-entertainment.com
 
2014-03-16 09:43:05 PM

JerseyTim: I'm not sure if I'm following this exactly, but after this episode I'm going to go bang a tree to help evolution along.


Sounds like you got it down pat
 
2014-03-16 09:43:08 PM
I am outraged that he claimed the theory of gravity is a fact.
 
2014-03-16 09:43:16 PM

Donnchadha: Unknown_Poltroon: All the fundies just shat themselves with impotent rage.

The fundies aren't actually watching. They'll just read some blog tomorrow that reinforces their preconceived world view


Most likely this.
 
2014-03-16 09:43:26 PM
Ooh, halls of extinction looks cool.
 
2014-03-16 09:43:38 PM
Duh. I meant network TV .....
 
2014-03-16 09:43:46 PM
 
2014-03-16 09:44:07 PM

JerseyTim: I'm not sure if I'm following this exactly, but after this episode I'm going to go bang a tree to help evolution along.


Make sure you find someone willing to take you to urgent care once you're done injuring yourself. And some nurse will appreciate having the story to tell, I'm sure.
 
2014-03-16 09:44:10 PM
ed_wp-content_v2.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-16 09:44:24 PM
The Hall of Extinction looks like a crayon.

Still loving the series.
 
2014-03-16 09:44:27 PM
Natural selection is a scientific fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory.

/just sayin'
 
2014-03-16 09:44:44 PM
TRILOBITES!!!
 
2014-03-16 09:44:49 PM
I blame the Dome Fossil
 
2014-03-16 09:45:12 PM
I found a trilobite once. It was extincted.
 
2014-03-16 09:45:12 PM

JerseyTim: Empty H: Ohhhhh "halls of extinction".

Not as good as the Halls of Medicine.


Hahaha
 
2014-03-16 09:45:27 PM
ed_wp-content_v2.s3.amazonaws.com
ed_wp-content_v2.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-16 09:45:30 PM

badhatharry: Natural selection is a scientific fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory.

/just sayin'


Nope. Evolution is also a fact.
 
2014-03-16 09:45:31 PM
Was that the Dianetics cover?
 
2014-03-16 09:45:54 PM
This was the time of Hobbits and Mordor.
 
2014-03-16 09:46:01 PM
PANGAEA!
 
2014-03-16 09:46:22 PM
OH....This sounds rather familiar.  You mean, there was a GLOBAL WARMING?
 
2014-03-16 09:46:33 PM
Ah, so here's where all the  cool people nerds are tonight.

/raises a glass
//sad she's 45 minutes behind the fun
 
2014-03-16 09:46:45 PM

JerseyTim: Was that the Dianetics cover?

Cosmos

, brought to you by the Elron Company.

Wake me up when they get to Xenu.
 
2014-03-16 09:46:48 PM
Creepy dead dinos
 
2014-03-16 09:47:07 PM

psilocyberguy: PANGAEA!


REUNITE GONDWANALAND!!
 
2014-03-16 09:47:43 PM
Neil should definitely slip in a "Life... uhh.... finds a way."
 
2014-03-16 09:47:44 PM
OK, I'm hating commercials now...you just get into thinking heavy, then BAM! Another stupid Comcast commercial...

/plus, one of the dogs just threw up her dinner on the Ottoman, and her brother just zoomed in to eat it! Yech!
//cheap paper towels to the rescue
 
2014-03-16 09:47:53 PM

enry: Keyser_Soze_Death: Can't wait for the religious folks who got bent last week to see this week's episode.

I'm religious and love it.

Then again I'm just religious, not a dumbass homophobic fundie.


I should have clarified. Relevant update in bold.
 
2014-03-16 09:48:19 PM
What was the name on that door?
 
2014-03-16 09:49:04 PM

badhatharry: Natural selection is a scientific fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory.

/just sayin'


Actually, no, evolution has been observed in nature. A sample of e coli, iirc, was observed to evolve the ability to metabolize cyanide. There are sample of the strain every so many generations along, and the evolutionary even has been reproduced from earlier samples.
 
2014-03-16 09:49:07 PM
Cockroaches?
 
2014-03-16 09:49:27 PM
So tardigrades > cockroaches.
 
2014-03-16 09:50:25 PM

mark12A: /plus, one of the dogs just threw up her dinner on the Ottoman, and her brother just zoomed in to eat it! Yech!
//cheap paper towels to the rescue


www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-03-16 09:50:34 PM
Yay, extremophiles!
 
2014-03-16 09:50:35 PM
samples, event*
 
2014-03-16 09:50:47 PM

SilentStrider: What was the name on that door?


Probably right now.  Humans are currently causing a mass extinction by their activities.
 
2014-03-16 09:51:13 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: badhatharry: Natural selection is a scientific fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory.

/just sayin'

Actually, no, evolution has been observed in nature. A sample of e coli, iirc, was observed to evolve the ability to metabolize cyanide. There are sample of the strain every so many generations along, and the evolutionary even has been reproduced from earlier samples.


The creationist counter-argument is that the E. Coli bacteria already possessed the ability to metabolize cyanide (or nylon, or citric acid, depending on the strain in question) but that the ability was not expressed. The fact that the claim is demonstrably false, as member organisms of the strain from generations before the trait emerged prove, is irrelevant to the creationists, because creationists are notoriously dishonest.
 
2014-03-16 09:51:14 PM
dalylife4life.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-16 09:51:16 PM

clintster: So tardigrades > cockroaches.


Apparently.  I must upgrade the shrine.
 
2014-03-16 09:51:37 PM
Is the audio out of sync?
I'm watching the NYC fox.
 
2014-03-16 09:51:42 PM

bborchar: SilentStrider: What was the name on that door?

Probably right now.  Humans are currently causing a mass extinction by their activities.


That's my bet.
 
2014-03-16 09:51:48 PM

SilentStrider: What was the name on that door?


The next cataclysmic event.
 
2014-03-16 09:52:24 PM
So Subway is basically selling Elio's pizza now?
 
2014-03-16 09:52:32 PM

geom_00: psilocyberguy: PANGAEA!

REUNITE GONDWANALAND!!


Ahhh we're nerds.
 
2014-03-16 09:52:40 PM
Is this show intended to be for grade schoolers?
 
2014-03-16 09:52:45 PM

jayessell: Is the audio out of sync?
I'm watching the NYC fox.


The audio is fine when viewed from the Louisville Fox affiliate.
 
2014-03-16 09:52:47 PM
I predict that FOXNEWS will put out an 8 part 'documentary series' on how America was created.  Narrated by Mike Huckabee. this will air oh in say 2 months.  to be fair and balanced of course.
 
2014-03-16 09:52:53 PM

badhatharry: Natural selection is a scientific fact.
Evolution is a scientific theory.

/just sayin'


img1.fark.net Benchmark SC.3.N.3.1: Recognize that words in science can have different or more specific meanings than their use in everyday language; for example, energy, cell, heat/cold, and evidence.
img1.fark.net Benchmark SC.6.N.3.1: Recognize and explain that a scientific theory is a well-supported and widely accepted explanation of nature and is not simply a claim posed by an individual. Thus, the use of the term theory in science is very different than how it is used in everyday life.
img1.fark.net Benchmark SC.912.N.3.1: Explain that a scientific theory is the culmination of many scientific investigations drawing together all the current evidence concerning a substantial range of phenomena; thus, a scientific theory represents the most powerful explanation scientists have to offer.
 
2014-03-16 09:52:58 PM

SilentStrider: What was the name on that door?



Anthropocene, I would suspect.
 
2014-03-16 09:53:38 PM

picodenico: geom_00: psilocyberguy: PANGAEA!

REUNITE GONDWANALAND!!

Ahhh we're nerds.


Yes we are .... Sigh.
 
2014-03-16 09:53:49 PM

picodenico: geom_00: psilocyberguy: PANGAEA!

REUNITE GONDWANALAND!!

Ahhh we're nerds.


Yes.  Yes we are.
 
2014-03-16 09:54:15 PM
No wipers on that ship?
 
2014-03-16 09:54:18 PM
Oh god I love Titan

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2014-03-16 09:54:18 PM

Waldo Pepper: Is this show intended to be for grade schoolers?


More or less.  Its designed to bring basic sweeping concepts to people who have never learned science, and bring it with a sense of wonder and curiosity.
 
2014-03-16 09:54:32 PM
I'm a well read 49 year old woman who's always had an interest in science and history and I'm really enjoying this show, thank you very much! I'll always be a kid at heart.

/my Warrior's brains and intellect turn me on as much as his physical attributes (he blushes when I tell him that), and I have to say that NdT is giving me a few delicious chiils right now......
 
2014-03-16 09:54:46 PM
OK, I am hearing the US Farkers complaining about some of the commercials.  Any Canadian (specifically Ontario) Farkers getting a LOT of political ads with this?
 
2014-03-16 09:54:56 PM
Clearly we need an Exxon expedition to Titan.
 
2014-03-16 09:55:16 PM
Is he from Philly? I thought i heard a "worder" (water)?
 
2014-03-16 09:55:37 PM
oh, this should be good.
 
2014-03-16 09:55:47 PM

Ranger677: OK, I am hearing the US Farkers complaining about some of the commercials.  Any Canadian (specifically Ontario) Farkers getting a LOT of political ads with this?


Add for the new noah movie every set of commercials
 
2014-03-16 09:56:09 PM

baorao: Is he from Philly? I thought i heard a "worder" (water)?


Bronx
 
2014-03-16 09:56:12 PM
Obama, approve the Titan XL pipeline!
 
2014-03-16 09:56:13 PM
I half expect Fox to air the Republican response after this.
 
2014-03-16 09:56:14 PM

Ranger677: OK, I am hearing the US Farkers complaining about some of the commercials.  Any Canadian (specifically Ontario) Farkers getting a LOT of political ads with this?


Just a couple of ads for the Conservative party making fun of Justin Trudeau here in Calgary
 
2014-03-16 09:56:21 PM
DRILL TITAN DRILL NOW
 
2014-03-16 09:56:29 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: I predict that FOXNEWS will put out an 8 part 'documentary series' on how America was created.  Narrated by Mike Huckabee. this will air oh in say 2 months.  to be fair and balanced of course.


jonmcnaughton.com
 
2014-03-16 09:56:35 PM
Dammit NDT. Don't give people ideas for strip mining Titan. 

Or do so NASA gets a boost.
 
2014-03-16 09:56:39 PM
RELEASE THE KRAKEN!!!

proximospirits.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2014-03-16 09:56:55 PM

Confabulat: I half expect Fox to air the Republican response after this.


They can shut their whore mouths while adults are speaking.
 
2014-03-16 09:56:56 PM
There's oil on Titan?  INVADE!
 
2014-03-16 09:57:04 PM
Oh oh, Titan has OIL.

We need send and expeditionary force over there NOW!
 
2014-03-16 09:57:14 PM
"All the oil and natural gas on Earth is just a tiny fraction of what's on Titan."

And in other news today, the United States has declared war on the moon of Titan,
 
2014-03-16 09:57:16 PM

clintster: So tardigrades > cockroaches.


Keith Richards > tardigrades > cockroaches
 
2014-03-16 09:57:34 PM
Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox
 
2014-03-16 09:57:43 PM
OH SNAP!
 
2014-03-16 09:58:14 PM

Ranger677: OK, I am hearing the US Farkers complaining about some of the commercials.  Any Canadian (specifically Ontario) Farkers getting a LOT of political ads with this?


Been getting a fair few out here in Halifax. They had a couple per break at the start, but it seems to have mercifully diminished.
 
2014-03-16 09:58:16 PM
He just biatched-slapped the 'God of the Gaps' mentality right in the face.
 
2014-03-16 09:58:20 PM
"The only SHAME is to pretend we have all the answers."

I'm LOVING that line.
 
2014-03-16 09:58:39 PM
Yay! The original even with the same music!
 
2014-03-16 09:58:45 PM
Titan is stockpiling WMD's. We need to do something about it.
 
2014-03-16 09:59:06 PM

geom_00: "The only SHAME is to pretend we have all the answers."

I'm LOVING that line.


Once again, an evolutionist exposes his anti-Christian bias.
 
2014-03-16 09:59:09 PM
I remember its animation from the original!
 
2014-03-16 09:59:33 PM

psilocyberguy: Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox


Dude!  I live in Avalon./Bellevue
 
2014-03-16 09:59:33 PM

Pariah.: He just biatched-slapped the 'God of the Gaps' mentality right in the face.


How?
 
2014-03-16 09:59:40 PM
Am I the only one who thinks each episode should be 5 hours in length?

/Lotsa $$$$ commercials
 
2014-03-16 09:59:40 PM
Oh...oh man.
 
2014-03-16 09:59:41 PM
glebe-harris.wikispaces.com
 
2014-03-16 09:59:41 PM
YES! the animation I remember so well, and the same music. Preach it, Carl!
 
2014-03-16 09:59:45 PM
That ended abruptly.
 
2014-03-16 09:59:46 PM
That was not an hour that just went by.
 
2014-03-16 09:59:50 PM

Keyser_Soze_Death: enry: Keyser_Soze_Death: Can't wait for the religious folks who got bent last week to see this week's episode.

I'm religious and love it.

Then again I'm just religious, not a dumbass homophobic fundie.

I should have clarified. Relevant update in bold.


My bad.
 
2014-03-16 09:59:55 PM
I liked that ending animation.  I need to make a Gif of that.
 
2014-03-16 09:59:55 PM
When are we gonna have that pipeline to Titan?
 
2014-03-16 09:59:59 PM
i0.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-03-16 10:00:11 PM

Dimensio: anti-Christian bias.


I'm a pretty devout Catholic.
 
2014-03-16 10:00:33 PM
That hour goes by very quickly.
 
2014-03-16 10:00:35 PM
I think they might end episode with a call back to Carl Sagan.
They did it last time...and did it again tonight.

Cool points just went up.
 
2014-03-16 10:00:47 PM
Lousy cutoff of end credits by commercials

[grumble]
 
2014-03-16 10:00:51 PM
I know it's very unlikely but I would enjoy multiple seasons of this.
 
2014-03-16 10:01:17 PM
Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.
 
2014-03-16 10:01:38 PM

geom_00: Dimensio: anti-Christian bias.

I'm a pretty devout Catholic.


Papists are not Christians.

/Dimensio is drunk.
 
2014-03-16 10:01:52 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-16 10:01:55 PM

Grote-Man: I know it's very unlikely but I would enjoy multiple seasons of this.


THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
 
2014-03-16 10:02:05 PM
Where do all the comics come from?

comets?
 
2014-03-16 10:02:10 PM

psilocyberguy: Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox


I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.
 
2014-03-16 10:02:11 PM

Grote-Man: I know it's very unlikely but I would enjoy multiple seasons of this.


As would I.  I wonder what the ratings are on this program?
 
2014-03-16 10:02:25 PM

Pentaxian: clintster: So tardigrades > cockroaches.

Keith Richards > tardigrades > cockroaches


Hahahahaha
 
2014-03-16 10:02:25 PM

geom_00: psilocyberguy: Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox

Dude!  I live in Avalon./Bellevue


Dude!  10 miles from New Kensington!
 
2014-03-16 10:02:27 PM
Did the Central Oklahoma drinking rules for the show.   No commercial replaced any mention evolution (or anything else).

I'm utterly and completely sober.
 
2014-03-16 10:02:32 PM

geom_00: Dimensio: anti-Christian bias.

I'm a pretty devout Catholic.


Well then you're not a real Christian you dirty papist.
/I keeeed,  I was told that exact line by a fundie who accused me of being anti christian.
 
2014-03-16 10:02:34 PM

geom_00: psilocyberguy: Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox

Dude!  I live in Avalon./Bellevue


There are dozens of us! DOZENS
 
2014-03-16 10:03:06 PM

bborchar: psilocyberguy: Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox

I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.


Peeing.
 
2014-03-16 10:03:13 PM

bborchar: psilocyberguy: Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox

I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.


I am the other one.
 
2014-03-16 10:03:39 PM
Too short, too many commercials, too superficial. Science isn't going to win the ratings, I'm afraid.  We're screwed. Time to start worshiping trees again, dammit!
 
2014-03-16 10:03:41 PM

cmb53208: Grote-Man: I know it's very unlikely but I would enjoy multiple seasons of this.

As would I.  I wonder what the ratings are on this program?


or how it affects hits on Pornhub during that hour
 
2014-03-16 10:04:16 PM

TheMysteriousStranger: Did the Central Oklahoma drinking rules for the show.   No commercial replaced any mention evolution (or anything else).

I'm utterly and completely sober.


Eastern OK here- no interrupts and not a single Noah commercial
 
2014-03-16 10:05:00 PM

psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!


LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS


bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.


I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.
 
2014-03-16 10:05:05 PM

mark12A: Too short, too many commercials, too superficial. Science isn't going to win the ratings, I'm afraid.  We're screwed. Time to start worshiping trees again, dammit!


It's only proper to give praise to our ancestors.
 
2014-03-16 10:05:14 PM

Waldo Pepper: Pariah.: He just biatched-slapped the 'God of the Gaps' mentality right in the face.

How?


That line about Science operating on the the edge between knowledge and ignorance, not afraid to admit what we don't know, no shame in that. The only shame is claiming that we have all the answers.

"God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence"

Sometimes related to or used to mean similar thing to the argument from ignorance fallacy. Such arguments are popular with the anti-science crowd.
 
2014-03-16 10:05:24 PM

ManateeGag: There's oil on Titan?  INVADE!


I believe you mean LIBERATE!

Operation Titani Freedom!

Methane is highly explosive and they have tons and tons of it, WMDS!
 
2014-03-16 10:05:48 PM

Grote-Man: "All the oil and natural gas on Earth is just a tiny fraction of what's on Titan."

And in other news today, the United States has declared war on the moon of Titan,


 just stay off Europa
 
2014-03-16 10:05:56 PM

Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.


It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.
 
2014-03-16 10:06:42 PM

cmb53208: Grote-Man: I know it's very unlikely but I would enjoy multiple seasons of this.

As would I.  I wonder what the ratings are on this program?


The first episode was number 2 for the night (number 1 was The Good Wife, I think)
 
2014-03-16 10:07:21 PM
I am out, see you all next week!
 
2014-03-16 10:07:25 PM

geom_00: psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!

LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS

bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.


Can you wait until I recover from yesterday's parade?
 
2014-03-16 10:07:45 PM

nmrsnr: jaytkay: nmrsnr: But it wouldn't have killed them to say "white looking fur."

There's a two-word phrase for "white looking fur."

It's "white fur".

Nope. While white fur certainly is white-looking, a polar bears' fur, while it certainly looks white, is actually clear.


Which you would have known I already said if they didn't cut off my original comment that started this whole discussion lol
 
2014-03-16 10:08:02 PM

Pariah.: Waldo Pepper: Pariah.: He just biatched-slapped the 'God of the Gaps' mentality right in the face.

How?

That line about Science operating on the the edge between knowledge and ignorance, not afraid to admit what we don't know, no shame in that. The only shame is claiming that we have all the answers.

"God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence"

Sometimes related to or used to mean similar thing to the argument from ignorance fallacy. Such arguments are popular with the anti-science crowd.


not much of a slap.  Do you accept the same reasoning from a creationist or someone who believes in another theory vs what was presented in the show.
 
2014-03-16 10:09:10 PM

psilocyberguy: geom_00: psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!

LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS

bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.

Can you wait until I recover from yesterday's parade?


Yes. Not a problem
 
2014-03-16 10:09:34 PM
So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.
 
2014-03-16 10:10:23 PM

thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.


I disagree.  I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.  Now maybe this due to really my hearing the audio and not watching the video.
 
2014-03-16 10:10:28 PM

geom_00: psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!

LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS

bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.


Pittsburgh fark party? I'm OK with this.
 
2014-03-16 10:10:37 PM

Pentaxian: JerseyTim: Sure, Neil Degrasse Tyson is great and all, but how much better would Cosmos be if it were narrated by Rust Cohle?

Having Danica McKellar hosting would make the show slightly more fappable
[www.wolfgnards.com image 490x735]


You know, a lot of hot chicks are good at math: they can put two together.
 
2014-03-16 10:12:09 PM

The Lone Gunman: So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.


did this mutant fish squirrel take all five monkeys at the same time?
 
2014-03-16 10:12:43 PM

Grote-Man: I know it's very unlikely but I would enjoy multiple seasons of this.


Unfortunately Seth Macfarlane is committed to a "Fast Animals. Slow Children" series.
static.fjcdn.com
I'm equally excited.
 
2014-03-16 10:12:54 PM

geom_00: bborchar: psilocyberguy: Not one Noah commercial so far.

/Pittsburgh Fox

I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I am the other one.


We're everywhere!
 
2014-03-16 10:13:36 PM

The Lone Gunman: So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.


Yes. I don't understand how you can look around everyday and not see this.
 
2014-03-16 10:14:30 PM

Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.


Ultimately its the same shiat. A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.
 
2014-03-16 10:15:47 PM

optimus_prime: geom_00: psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!

LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS

bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.

Pittsburgh fark party? I'm OK with this.


Last Fark Party I attended in Pittsburgh was back in 2005, I think. All 5 of us were pretty smashed.

/I'm in as long as it's not in the South Side.
 
2014-03-16 10:16:37 PM

Ned Stark: A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.


Why do you have to take science on faith? You could just educate yourself. It's not a secret.
 
2014-03-16 10:17:04 PM
Waldo Pepper:

not much of a slap.  Do you accept the same reasoning from a creationist or someone who believes in another theory vs what was presented in the show.

It's more direct than is usually allowed. Mainstream media have long been too afraid of offending to allow even something as mild as that statement. I'm honestly amazed that this show was ever greenlit. So I'll take what I can get.

And there's a difference between the god of the gaps philosophy and arguing in favor of a different scientific theory. God of the gaps uses what science doesn't know as proof of god, usually insinuating that science will never fill in those gaps due to divine mysteries we can't comprehend, and things like that. It's usually used to argue the explicit existence of god, that science is false, and that science should be stopped.

Postulating a alternative scientific theory usually involves trying to create a model that fits the facts better, and collecting evidence to support your claims. Sometimes that involves directly trying to disprove the old theory, but not always. Often it's just 'oh, this one works slightly better'. It often builds on the old one, rather than tearing it down completely.

And if a scientist came at me with a god of the gaps argument, I would dismiss it just as quickly as coming from a Creationist.

/And vis versa
 
2014-03-16 10:17:34 PM
Any place streaming it now?
 
2014-03-16 10:17:56 PM
Would have been nice to see more of Titan, like a more detailed view of what an Ethane sea would look like in low gravity.. and it needed moar orange...
 
2014-03-16 10:18:29 PM

Confabulat: Ned Stark: A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

Why do you have to take science on faith? You could just educate yourself. It's not a secret.


i2.kym-cdn.com
Drink it in.
 
2014-03-16 10:20:04 PM

Ned Stark: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

Ultimately its the same shiat. A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.


One of the key elements of a proper scientific theory is reproducibility. If the scientific community cannot reproduce your experiments and results, your claims will not be accepted. No faith involved. And in many cases your average joe can reproduce the same experiments, with enough research. The claims of religion that must be taken on faith are very different. Reproducibility is one of the key differences.
 
2014-03-16 10:23:06 PM
We need to go to Titan
 
2014-03-16 10:24:50 PM

Confabulat: Ned Stark: A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

Why do you have to take science on faith? You could just educate yourself. It's not a secret.


A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it. Or read all of it. Hell, Its very likely that new material is being produced faster than you can read, even assuming that you never want to do something else like eat, sleep, interact with other humans, etc.
 
2014-03-16 10:25:24 PM

mark12A: too many commercials


Yeah, that's the downside of it airing on Fox instead of PBS. On the other hand, they weren't rough breaks, so the DVD set should be pretty epic, and I don't have the patience to wait.

Waldo Pepper: I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.


Such resemblance would be unsurprising if both are made in imitation of the original PBS "Cosmos".
 
2014-03-16 10:26:05 PM

Pariah.: Ned Stark: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

Ultimately its the same shiat. A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.

One of the key elements of a proper scientific theory is reproducibility. If the scientific community cannot reproduce your experiments and results, your claims will not be accepted. No faith involved. And in many cases your average joe can reproduce the same experiments, with enough research. The claims of religion that must be taken on faith are very different. Reproducibility is one of the key differences.


Reproduction is overrated.

If you don't believe me, look at your parents and then look at yourself.

Genetics: Scientifically Proven, Demonstrably Evil.
 
2014-03-16 10:26:09 PM

Pariah.: Ned Stark: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

Ultimately its the same shiat. A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.

One of the key elements of a proper scientific theory is reproducibility. If the scientific community cannot reproduce your experiments and results, your claims will not be accepted. No faith involved. And in many cases your average joe can reproduce the same experiments, with enough research. The claims of religion that must be taken on faith are very different. Reproducibility is one of the key differences.


Which is why evolution is still "just a theory" under the strictest terminology.
 
2014-03-16 10:26:50 PM
Noah commercial at 9:29:30 in NYC, assuming Optimum didn't put it there.
 
2014-03-16 10:27:01 PM

Ned Stark: A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it.


You don't have to independently check all of it. Understanding the basic concepts is fine. No one can every be an expert in all things science of course, but that doesn't mean you can't figure out a good chunk of it if you put in the time.
 
2014-03-16 10:27:15 PM

Waldo Pepper: thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.

I disagree.  I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.  Now maybe this due to really my hearing the audio and not watching the video.


So what if it is a threat? It's high time you stopped believing fairy tale garbage and start being humble enough to admit that belief in some higher power is really pointless.
 
2014-03-16 10:27:30 PM
 
2014-03-16 10:28:36 PM

Pariah.: Waldo Pepper: Pariah.: He just biatched-slapped the 'God of the Gaps' mentality right in the face.

How?

That line about Science operating on the the edge between knowledge and ignorance, not afraid to admit what we don't know, no shame in that. The only shame is claiming that we have all the answers.

"God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence"

Sometimes related to or used to mean similar thing to the argument from ignorance fallacy. Such arguments are popular with the anti-science crowd.


I believe that God made the laws of the universe at the big bang and adhered to them since then. Did God say "poof, life!"? No. Did he make sure that lightning hit the right pool of goo and caused amino acids to start clumping together? I'll buy that. But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.
 
2014-03-16 10:28:52 PM

Confabulat: No one can every be an expert in all things science of course,


which means you're going to have to take it on....

something. soup crackers maybe?
 
2014-03-16 10:29:34 PM

Ned Stark: Confabulat: Ned Stark: A source for the Big Answers you're ultimately going to have to take on faith.

Why do you have to take science on faith? You could just educate yourself. It's not a secret.

A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it. Or read all of it. Hell, Its very likely that new material is being produced faster than you can read, even assuming that you never want to do something else like eat, sleep, interact with other humans, etc.


True. That's why science is set up the way it is. Massive communities of experts in small segments of that huge ever-growing body of knowledge, all checking each others work. We who aren't scientists, and even scientists who are not experts on the field in question, trust those who are to verify a scientific claim or theory. I would say that trust and faith are two slightly different things. We trust the experts, because the things we are trusting them on are knowable. The veracity of things you take on faith from a religion are unknowable.

That's my take on the difference between the two words, anyway.
 
2014-03-16 10:30:38 PM

Ned Stark: Confabulat: No one can every be an expert in all things science of course,

which means you're going to have to take it on....

something. soup crackers maybe?


Not at all. I spent twelve years in college (hey I was in no rush) and I got a fine grounding in most scientific basics. I understand the math, I understand the concepts, and I understand how it works, for the most part (only like 3 people in the world understand theoretical physics, but otherwise).

It's not a secret. You just have to work at it.
 
2014-03-16 10:32:34 PM

Pariah.: I would say that trust and faith are two slightly different things


Well now we've run up against a philosophical gap that we probably won't be able to bridge here.

pub?
 
2014-03-16 10:32:56 PM

enry: Pariah.: Waldo Pepper: Pariah.: He just biatched-slapped the 'God of the Gaps' mentality right in the face.

How?

That line about Science operating on the the edge between knowledge and ignorance, not afraid to admit what we don't know, no shame in that. The only shame is claiming that we have all the answers.

"God of the gaps is a type of theological perspective in which gaps in scientific knowledge are taken to be evidence or proof of God's existence"

Sometimes related to or used to mean similar thing to the argument from ignorance fallacy. Such arguments are popular with the anti-science crowd.

I believe that God made the laws of the universe at the big bang and adhered to them since then. Did God say "poof, life!"? No. Did he make sure that lightning hit the right pool of goo and caused amino acids to start clumping together? I'll buy that. But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.


From that statement you do not adhere to the god of the gaps philosophy. Your point of view is a fairly common one, because it does make a lot of sense. I know plenty of religious scientists who feel the same way as you. They delve into the mysteries of the universe and see the wonder of God's creation.

/And ain't nothin' wrong with that.
 
2014-03-16 10:33:38 PM

The Lone Gunman: So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.


Nah, that's just you.
 
2014-03-16 10:34:30 PM

geom_00: tudorgurl: I'm recording these for our son, who's 4. He loved the first one, and I know he'll love this one. :)

I wish I would have known about Carl Sagan/Cosmos when I was your son's age.


Hey, you had Pliny the Elder and Archimedes!
 
2014-03-16 10:35:23 PM

Ned Stark: Pariah.: I would say that trust and faith are two slightly different things

Well now we've run up against a philosophical gap that we probably won't be able to bridge here.

pub?


Would be nice. I'll just settle for some Sake while I code.

/I don't mean to make 'faith' a bad word like some do. Just trying to use my words.
 
2014-03-16 10:35:51 PM

IronTom: farkingismybusiness: If I evolved from trees then how come there are still trees?

they smoked


Hahaha!
 
2014-03-16 10:36:51 PM

Ned Stark: The priests of science are somewhat more reliable at producing miracles though.


Miracles -- or more precisely, Shamanic Mediation -- is more the result of the engineers applying the understanding that the priests of science assemble, rather than of the priests themselves.

Confabulat: Why do you have to take science on faith?


Ultimately, Münchhausen's trilemma -- though the minimal effectively necessary tenets aren't that exciting a creed.
 
2014-03-16 10:37:30 PM
Waldo Pepper: thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.

I disagree.  I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.  Now maybe this due to really my hearing the audio and not watching the video.


Yes. Not watching the videos would probably bias you as to not understanding the context of the animations. Animations that Tyson was trying to explain to people with no science background.

Your statement is the equivalent of "I read the bible, didn't read the words, looked at the spacing, felt heavy, weird feeling pages- overall not a fan."

/Catholic
 
2014-03-16 10:37:42 PM

enry: But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.


A lot of us believe that physics and evolution are just God's way of making things happen - it's His way to get us where we are. Genesis is pure allegory - this is widely accepted by Christians - but you only hear about the fringe who do not believe this to be the case. There are 2 billion of us, some have it wrong.
 
2014-03-16 10:39:12 PM
I really do like Neil deGrasse Tyson, and I saw the Carl Sagan's Cosmos years ago, but I'm having a tough time getting into Neil's updated version.  I have no issues with the information, it's just he seems out of place in presenting it in this version.  There are many "yawn" moments.
 
2014-03-16 10:50:17 PM

Confabulat: dopekitty74: Seth McFarlane is involved in this? Interesting....

He's the only reason it got made.


It still doesn't put him in the black
 
2014-03-16 10:50:46 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Genesis is pure allegory - this is widely accepted by Christians - but you only hear about the fringe who do not believe this to be the case.


In the US these days, calling Christians who do not consider Genesis purely allegory a "fringe" is about the same as calling the American voters who self-identify as (total across leaning to strongly) Republican a "fringe".
 
2014-03-16 10:51:05 PM
Could you guys kindly take this out of my awesome TV show discussion thread? Thanks.
 
2014-03-16 10:51:24 PM

thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.

I disagree.  I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.  Now maybe this due to really my hearing the audio and not watching the video.

Yes. Not watching the videos would probably bias you as to not understanding the context of the animations. Animations that Tyson was trying to explain to people with no science background.

Your statement is the equivalent of "I read the bible, didn't read the words, looked at the spacing, felt heavy, weird feeling pages- overall not a fan."

/Catholic


not a fair comparison. you can't read text without seeing the text.  This could be a lot like the Nixon/Kennedy debate where those who heard it on radio thought Nixon won and those who saw it on TV thought Kennedy won.
 
2014-03-16 10:53:27 PM
Online streams anywhere yet....?
 
2014-03-16 10:54:08 PM

Confabulat: Do you also think people here are anti-vaccine?


I've asked it here before, and honestly, is seems to be a split. Left wing crackpots, right wing crackpots - some of them cling to this idea. I would hope - and maybe I'm hoping too much - that you would agree that we should vaccinate.
 
2014-03-16 10:55:21 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Confabulat: Do you also think people here are anti-vaccine?

I've asked it here before, and honestly, is seems to be a split. Left wing crackpots, right wing crackpots - some of them cling to this idea. I would hope - and maybe I'm hoping too much - that you would agree that we should vaccinate.


I said in this thread. This is a Cosmos thread. Do you think anyone here is anti-vaccine?
 
2014-03-16 10:58:40 PM

E.S.Q.: Online streams anywhere yet....?


Whatever you do, don't cross them.
 
2014-03-16 10:59:42 PM

Confabulat: Hey, I'm not a Democrat either! And I'm completely against military intervention in Syria!


We agree, and no I'm not a registered Republican.

Confabulat: Do you think anyone here is anti-vaccine?


Good.

We should rent the bridal room at motel 6. With babes and champagne of course.
 
2014-03-16 11:05:50 PM

WhoopAssWayne: We should rent the bridal room at motel 6. With babes and champagne of course.


Works for me, though I'm more a vodka kind of guy myself.
 
2014-03-16 11:08:00 PM

WhoopAssWayne: Confabulat: Hey, I'm not a Democrat either! And I'm completely against military intervention in Syria!

We agree, and no I'm not a registered Republican.

Confabulat: Do you think anyone here is anti-vaccine?

Good.

We should rent the bridal room at motel 6. With babes and champagne of course.


Yeah I think the crowd that you're gonna get in these threads, while including plenty of atheists, is mostly gonna be the smart science-y demographic. Hopefully not a lot of the crackpost from either 'side'.

/Those guys are no fun, whoever they vote for.
//Now SCIENCE, that's fun!
 
2014-03-16 11:18:53 PM

Pariah.: Yeah I think the crowd that you're gonna get in these threads, while including plenty of atheists, is mostly gonna be the smart science-y demographic.


Nope. They are the Journalism and Media and Communications majors - or worse. They are the least intelligent.
 
2014-03-16 11:19:18 PM
I wonder what the crossover between this and the FWC wrestling threads are.

/why yes I lurk in and enjoy both
//chairshots for science
///and slashies
 
2014-03-16 11:19:20 PM

Confabulat: Ned Stark: A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it.

You don't have to independently check all of it. Understanding the basic concepts is fine. No one can every be an expert in all things science of course, but that doesn't mean you can't figure out a good chunk of it if you put in the time.


Isaac Asimov had 7 PhDs, and he probably didn't know it all, but it is a shame that some people have to croak.  He could have done some great things with all that knowledge.  Maybe his books are his contribution.

Maybe there should be a series, one show for each of Asimov's PhDs.
 
2014-03-16 11:23:30 PM
 
2014-03-16 11:29:02 PM

geom_00: psilocyberguy: geom_00: psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!

LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS

bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.

Can you wait until I recover from yesterday's parade?

Yes. Not a problem


Stowe Township here!
 
2014-03-16 11:29:55 PM

magicgoo: You know you want this shirt:

[i743.photobucket.com image 549x597]


oh HELL yes!
 
2014-03-16 11:32:45 PM

Waldo Pepper: thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: thehobbes: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

It isn't, Just some people feel their religion is threatened by the comment and equate it to a competitor religion.

I disagree.  I'm Christian and watching this show it reminds me an a lot in the way Christian videos are produced and worded.  Now maybe this due to really my hearing the audio and not watching the video.

Yes. Not watching the videos would probably bias you as to not understanding the context of the animations. Animations that Tyson was trying to explain to people with no science background.

Your statement is the equivalent of "I read the bible, didn't read the words, looked at the spacing, felt heavy, weird feeling pages- overall not a fan."

/Catholic

not a fair comparison. you can't read text without seeing the text.  This could be a lot like the Nixon/Kennedy debate where those who heard it on radio thought Nixon won and those who saw it on TV thought Kennedy won.


Have to disagree here. The debaters knew the debate would need to be comprehensible to radio only audiences. The creators of Cosmos knew that without the narrative, the video makes no sense. The audio without the visual evidence, cannot fully tell the story.
 
2014-03-16 11:45:43 PM

lindalouwho: geom_00: psilocyberguy: geom_00: psilocyberguy: 10 miles from New Kensington!

LasersHurt: There are dozens of us! DOZENS

bborchar: I'm in Pittsburgh, and there was one earlier.

I need to get a Pittsburgh Fark Party going.

Can you wait until I recover from yesterday's parade?

Yes. Not a problem

Stowe Township here!


Newb!
 
2014-03-16 11:50:17 PM
Just started watching this weeks episode and decided to check out this thread.  The only positive outcome of that was the opportunity to update my ignore list.
 
2014-03-16 11:51:07 PM
The last scene, it was if I'd seen it before. Wait, I did. The original. Tyson missed with the DNA, by not saying "we're made of star stuff".
 
2014-03-16 11:54:02 PM

Ex-Texan: The last scene, it was if I'd seen it before. Wait, I did. The original. Tyson missed with the DNA, by not saying "we're made of star stuff".


NdT  did that in Episode 1.
 
2014-03-16 11:55:33 PM
Didn't the eye develop independently some 5 times in the history of life on Earth.

I have to sober up and google this.
 
2014-03-17 12:09:13 AM
I don't know why you keep feeding this thing.  It couldn't be any more obvious except maybe to have the imprint of its bridge's support structure indented into its skull.

/and by "this thing" I of course mean DumbAssWayne
 
2014-03-17 12:14:10 AM

Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.


So in your mind Demiles sense of music score embodies the quintessential religious experience?   Because your pop-culture cart just leapfrogged your spiritual horse.
 
2014-03-17 12:23:19 AM
img.ibtimes.com
 
2014-03-17 12:26:32 AM
This just in... the official Creationist rebuttal....

i61.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-17 12:27:27 AM

IronTom: Not Godwined yet?  Hitler.


Thank you. Somebody had to do it.
 
2014-03-17 12:35:15 AM

magicgoo: You know you want this shirt:

[i743.photobucket.com image 549x597]


*Gasp!* Bookmarked for future purchase.

/just bought my husband a "Nye Laboratories" shirt from ThinkGeek
//wonder if I should get us matching colors for this one :D
 
2014-03-17 12:52:56 AM

Arumat: I don't know why you keep feeding this thing.  It couldn't be any more obvious except maybe to have the imprint of its bridge's support structure indented into its skull.

/and by "this thing" I of course mean DumbAssWayne


Glutton for punishment, not feeling well at 2am and tired of listening to HenryFnord snore, and generally cranky? And tired of the fallacy-laden 20-somethings are stupid hurr-durr argument, and I still have another 62 months of it.

/Canwe imprint a bridge's support structure on its skull? Or would that be wrong?...
 
2014-03-17 12:58:32 AM

IronTom: Confabulat: Ned Stark: A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it.

You don't have to independently check all of it. Understanding the basic concepts is fine. No one can every be an expert in all things science of course, but that doesn't mean you can't figure out a good chunk of it if you put in the time.

Isaac Asimov had 7 PhDs, and he probably didn't know it all, but it is a shame that some people have to croak.  He could have done some great things with all that knowledge.  Maybe his books are his contribution.

Maybe there should be a series, one show for each of Asimov's PhDs.


7? Are you counting honorary degrees? AFAIK Asimov completed his Ph.D in Biochemistry in 1948, and that's it.
 
2014-03-17 01:03:15 AM

Iceman208481: family guy sucked tonight


I love how it was a god centric episode, right before evolution party time :)
 
2014-03-17 01:07:35 AM

dopekitty74: Iceman208481: family guy sucked tonight

I love how it was a god centric episode, right before evolution party time :)


I got a few laughs out of it.
 
2014-03-17 01:10:31 AM

BorgiaGinz: IronTom: Confabulat: Ned Stark: A human lifespan isn't long enough to independently check all of it.

You don't have to independently check all of it. Understanding the basic concepts is fine. No one can every be an expert in all things science of course, but that doesn't mean you can't figure out a good chunk of it if you put in the time.

Isaac Asimov had 7 PhDs, and he probably didn't know it all, but it is a shame that some people have to croak.  He could have done some great things with all that knowledge.  Maybe his books are his contribution.

Maybe there should be a series, one show for each of Asimov's PhDs.

7? Are you counting honorary degrees? AFAIK Asimov completed his Ph.D in Biochemistry in 1948, and that's it.


Hmm, you may be right, at least as far as wiki says.  I should have couched that in "I think Asimov had 7 PhDs"  At least he had at least one, which is no mean feat. Hmm.
 
2014-03-17 01:24:46 AM

L33t Squirrel: magicgoo: You know you want this shirt:

[i743.photobucket.com image 549x597]

*Gasp!* Bookmarked for future purchase.

/just bought my husband a "Nye Laboratories" shirt from ThinkGeek
//wonder if I should get us matching colors for this one :D


Enjoy! The Society 6 shirts are super soft and high quality. Plus, you're supporting a fellow Farkette or something. =) OK, I'll stop high jacking the thread now.
 
2014-03-17 01:34:30 AM

magicgoo: L33t Squirrel: magicgoo: You know you want this shirt:

[i743.photobucket.com image 549x597]

*Gasp!* Bookmarked for future purchase.

/just bought my husband a "Nye Laboratories" shirt from ThinkGeek
//wonder if I should get us matching colors for this one :D

Enjoy! The Society 6 shirts are super soft and high quality. Plus, you're supporting a fellow Farkette or something. =) OK, I'll stop high jacking the thread now.


You can't hijack a thread that's already been hijacked, loaded with manure, lit on fire, and driven off a cliff.
 
2014-03-17 02:05:08 AM

JerseyTim: Ugh, my bark is itching.


Ruff! My dogs are barking.
 
2014-03-17 03:00:37 AM

enry: I believe that God made the laws of the universe at the big bang and adhered to them since then. Did God say "poof, life!"? No. Did he make sure that lightning hit the right pool of goo and caused amino acids to start clumping together? I'll buy that. But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.


Let me explain to you why this is a losing gambit:

In all the times we've ever investigated unexplained causes or phenomena, NEVER has the answer been God, magic, or supernatural causes. Science has won every single time.

We can hardly blame science for expecting this trend to continue, so I wouldn't hedge your bets.
 
2014-03-17 03:09:27 AM
I was taught evolution by a Catholic priest at a Catholic school and no one was burned at the stake nor were there butthurt parents.
 
2014-03-17 03:12:01 AM
Well that episode was better. Silvestri has to not drench the whole thing in scoring though. When Tyson speaks, knock it off. I'm trying to hear the god damn science man, I don't need blaring french horns competing for my ear-space. When there are visuals or animation, yeah ratchet up the string section. But when Tyson is on screen, shut up. Less is more.

/Still not Vangelis
 
2014-03-17 03:34:57 AM
Haven't watched this one yet, but I sure hope it's better than the first. I watched it on Hulu tonight, and was sorely disappointed. The one thing this new version had to do that the original did not was to back up its assertions in some way. Just reference how the knowledge it delivers was arrived at from time to time -- in short, not give idiot detractors any ammunition, and address "controversial" (please note the sarcasm in my quote marks) subjects in a way that might persuade people watching to be convinced that science plays by it's own rules and can justify it's conclusions.

But nope. Most of the information presented is done so in a "take our word for it" manner. Plus it portrays the Catholic church LITERALLY as cartoon villains. I mean, actually in a cartoon, and with actually clichéd bad-guy dialogue. Such an enormous missed opportunity. If e2 doesn't do better, I doubt I'll watch the rest. It's all stuff I know anyway, so it would just serve to raise my hackles watching Tyson piss away a great chance to show how science works rather than just present end results with expensive F/X.

I know he can't go into voluminous detail on every bit of info, but I imagine watching this from the POV of, say, a freshman at college who went to a religious high school and has bible-beater parents, but is starting to think for himself - and in the first episode alone, I'm seeing that kid having a hard time believing anything that challenges his shaky world view. Not one moment that gives him any reason to believe the unsupported assertions in "Cosmos" over the unsupported assertions he's had hammered into his head every Sunday.

Unless this new "Cosmos" can show its work a little - give some semblance of answers to those with questions - I don't much see the point.
 
2014-03-17 05:50:17 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Haven't watched this one yet, but I sure hope it's better than the first. I watched it on Hulu tonight, and was sorely disappointed. The one thing this new version had to do that the original did not was to back up its assertions in some way. Just reference how the knowledge it delivers was arrived at from time to time -- in short, not give idiot detractors any ammunition, and address "controversial" (please note the sarcasm in my quote marks) subjects in a way that might persuade people watching to be convinced that science plays by it's own rules and can justify it's conclusions.

But nope. Most of the information presented is done so in a "take our word for it" manner. Plus it portrays the Catholic church LITERALLY as cartoon villains. I mean, actually in a cartoon, and with actually clichéd bad-guy dialogue. Such an enormous missed opportunity. If e2 doesn't do better, I doubt I'll watch the rest. It's all stuff I know anyway, so it would just serve to raise my hackles watching Tyson piss away a great chance to show how science works rather than just present end results with expensive F/X.

I know he can't go into voluminous detail on every bit of info, but I imagine watching this from the POV of, say, a freshman at college who went to a religious high school and has bible-beater parents, but is starting to think for himself - and in the first episode alone, I'm seeing that kid having a hard time believing anything that challenges his shaky world view. Not one moment that gives him any reason to believe the unsupported assertions in "Cosmos" over the unsupported assertions he's had hammered into his head every Sunday.

Unless this new "Cosmos" can show its work a little - give some semblance of answers to those with questions - I don't much see the point.


agreed.  I was fairly let down about how much of the first show had nothing to do with science and was instead a commentary on religion hundreds of years ago.  WTF was the point of that outside of taking stabs at religious folks?

Tonight's episode seemed much better and to focus on explaining evolution with easy to understand examples.
 
2014-03-17 08:18:46 AM

trappedspirit: Waldo Pepper: Why is science being packaged like it is a religion? Seems the music is right out of Demiles 10 Commandments.

So in your mind Demiles sense of music score embodies the quintessential religious experience?   Because your pop-culture cart just leapfrogged your spiritual horse.


No but I do feel that comparing pop culture to pop culture is valid and the entire packaging of this show is make it a religious type experience. The host did mention at one point that it was "spiritual".

This is an anti religion show disguised as educational science show.
 
2014-03-17 08:20:14 AM

Confabulat: dopekitty74: Seth McFarlane is involved in this? Interesting....

He's the only reason it got made.


This almost makes up for the Cleaveland Show and most of Family Guy.

/how much money does this farking guy make?!
 
2014-03-17 08:24:27 AM

100 Watt Walrus: Haven't watched this one yet, but I sure hope it's better than the first. I watched it on Hulu tonight, and was sorely disappointed. The one thing this new version had to do that the original did not was to back up its assertions in some way. Just reference how the knowledge it delivers was arrived at from time to time -- in short, not give idiot detractors any ammunition, and address "controversial" (please note the sarcasm in my quote marks) subjects in a way that might persuade people watching to be convinced that science plays by it's own rules and can justify it's conclusions.

But nope. Most of the information presented is done so in a "take our word for it" manner. Plus it portrays the Catholic church LITERALLY as cartoon villains. I mean, actually in a cartoon, and with actually clichéd bad-guy dialogue. Such an enormous missed opportunity. If e2 doesn't do better, I doubt I'll watch the rest. It's all stuff I know anyway, so it would just serve to raise my hackles watching Tyson piss away a great chance to show how science works rather than just present end results with expensive F/X.

I know he can't go into voluminous detail on every bit of info, but I imagine watching this from the POV of, say, a freshman at college who went to a religious high school and has bible-beater parents, but is starting to think for himself - and in the first episode alone, I'm seeing that kid having a hard time believing anything that challenges his shaky world view. Not one moment that gives him any reason to believe the unsupported assertions in "Cosmos" over the unsupported assertions he's had hammered into his head every Sunday.

Unless this new "Cosmos" can show its work a little - give some semblance of answers to those with questions - I don't much see the point.


you have summed this show up nicely.  I'm Christian and I believe in Creation. I had the show on in the background and was listening to it. It struck me as a chance to bash religion and very little "fact" based information.

For all the praise I was hearing about this being such a great show, I have to compare it to the Bible series last year. Way too over-hyped and over praised, played loose with facts and details and not a show I would recommend to a non believer or even a believer to watch. I wouldn't recommend Cosmos to be a show for a someone curious about science to watch.
 
2014-03-17 08:34:21 AM

NickelP: 100 Watt Walrus: Haven't watched this one yet, but I sure hope it's better than the first. I watched it on Hulu tonight, and was sorely disappointed. The one thing this new version had to do that the original did not was to back up its assertions in some way. Just reference how the knowledge it delivers was arrived at from time to time -- in short, not give idiot detractors any ammunition, and address "controversial" (please note the sarcasm in my quote marks) subjects in a way that might persuade people watching to be convinced that science plays by it's own rules and can justify it's conclusions.

But nope. Most of the information presented is done so in a "take our word for it" manner. Plus it portrays the Catholic church LITERALLY as cartoon villains. I mean, actually in a cartoon, and with actually clichéd bad-guy dialogue. Such an enormous missed opportunity. If e2 doesn't do better, I doubt I'll watch the rest. It's all stuff I know anyway, so it would just serve to raise my hackles watching Tyson piss away a great chance to show how science works rather than just present end results with expensive F/X.

I know he can't go into voluminous detail on every bit of info, but I imagine watching this from the POV of, say, a freshman at college who went to a religious high school and has bible-beater parents, but is starting to think for himself - and in the first episode alone, I'm seeing that kid having a hard time believing anything that challenges his shaky world view. Not one moment that gives him any reason to believe the unsupported assertions in "Cosmos" over the unsupported assertions he's had hammered into his head every Sunday.

Unless this new "Cosmos" can show its work a little - give some semblance of answers to those with questions - I don't much see the point.

agreed.  I was fairly let down about how much of the first show had nothing to do with science and was instead a commentary on religion hundreds of years ago.  WTF was the point of that outsid ...


Also agree ^^^

I think there is a belief that a mojority of the audience might have trouble with the details or that the details themselves can become complex and time consuming. Make no mistake, this show is trying to appeal to the largest audience in the shortest time. That never makes for really good science.

However, the catch-22 is that a good majority of the audience might not be capable of following the detail......


It's always a tough trade-off for shows like this.
 
2014-03-17 09:56:47 AM

Luthien's Tempest: Arumat: I don't know why you keep feeding this thing.  It couldn't be any more obvious except maybe to have the imprint of its bridge's support structure indented into its skull.


tired of listening to HenryFnord snore,


Rebuttal: I don't snore.
 
2014-03-17 10:31:56 AM

Ishkur: enry: I believe that God made the laws of the universe at the big bang and adhered to them since then. Did God say "poof, life!"? No. Did he make sure that lightning hit the right pool of goo and caused amino acids to start clumping together? I'll buy that. But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.

Let me explain to you why this is a losing gambit:

In all the times we've ever investigated unexplained causes or phenomena, NEVER has the answer been God, magic, or supernatural causes. Science has won every single time.

We can hardly blame science for expecting this trend to continue, so I wouldn't hedge your bets.


the problem with your explanation is that you have removed God from the equation.  

can you please cite an example where a unexplained cause or phenomena has been investigated and God has been ruled out yet the the cause or phenomena is still unexplained?

Seems to me if it is still unexplained that ruling out God or if you will supernatural causes would be doing a horrible job with their investigation.
 
2014-03-17 11:29:51 AM

Waldo Pepper: Ishkur: enry: I believe that God made the laws of the universe at the big bang and adhered to them since then. Did God say "poof, life!"? No. Did he make sure that lightning hit the right pool of goo and caused amino acids to start clumping together? I'll buy that. But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.

Let me explain to you why this is a losing gambit:

In all the times we've ever investigated unexplained causes or phenomena, NEVER has the answer been God, magic, or supernatural causes. Science has won every single time.

We can hardly blame science for expecting this trend to continue, so I wouldn't hedge your bets.

the problem with your explanation is that you have removed God from the equation.  

can you please cite an example where a unexplained cause or phenomena has been investigated and God has been ruled out yet the the cause or phenomena is still unexplained?


Sure, but then you have to rule out the cause as being purple unicorns or a teapot on Mars, because all three are equally as likely.

The problem with your explanation is that you use the typical bullshiat mountain excuse of everything being "fair and balanced" as if all sides always have equal standing.  When in the history of all things, science has consistently been able to explain unexplained phenomena while the role of the supernatural has been pushed more and more to the ignorant fringe, I would put my money on science being the ultimate explanation, no some deity desperately clung to by people too afraid to educate themselves about the world.
 
2014-03-17 11:39:33 AM

Waldo Pepper: It struck me as a chance to bash religion and very little "fact" based information.


I'm guessing a lot of things strike you that way.
 
2014-03-17 11:57:37 AM

HenryFnord: Luthien's Tempest: Arumat: I don't know why you keep feeding this thing.  It couldn't be any more obvious except maybe to have the imprint of its bridge's support structure indented into its skull.


tired of listening to HenryFnord snore,

Rebuttal: I don't snore.


This is probably the best way-too-late comment I've ever seen in a Fark thread.
 
2014-03-17 12:48:42 PM

farkingismybusiness: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]


But the internet is a whole SERIES of tubes so ....

Woah.

MIND.  BLOWN.
 
2014-03-17 12:49:54 PM

Luthien's Tempest: IronTom: Luthien's Tempest: PUPPIES!!

I'm going to especially enjoy this episode if it's going to be all this happiness, sunshine, and puppies.

and extinction

Well, extinction can be fun, too... When do I get to start extincting things?


Pretty sure we've already started.
 
2014-03-17 12:56:02 PM

farkingismybusiness: If I evolved from trees then how come there are still trees?


Trees are like your inbred hillbilly cousins.
 
2014-03-17 01:24:21 PM

Froonium: The Lone Gunman: So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.

Nah, that's just you.


It's you, too.
 
2014-03-17 01:27:56 PM

Superjew: Waldo Pepper: It struck me as a chance to bash religion and very little "fact" based information.

I'm guessing a lot of things strike you that way.


might explain why you haven't won the lottery you are a failure at guessing correctly

StrangeQ: Waldo Pepper: Ishkur: enry: I believe that God made the laws of the universe at the big bang and adhered to them since then. Did God say "poof, life!"? No. Did he make sure that lightning hit the right pool of goo and caused amino acids to start clumping together? I'll buy that. But I can't prove it to you and it doesn't contradict what science tells us, so let me have this little slice of faith.

Let me explain to you why this is a losing gambit:

In all the times we've ever investigated unexplained causes or phenomena, NEVER has the answer been God, magic, or supernatural causes. Science has won every single time.

We can hardly blame science for expecting this trend to continue, so I wouldn't hedge your bets.

the problem with your explanation is that you have removed God from the equation.  

can you please cite an example where a unexplained cause or phenomena has been investigated and God has been ruled out yet the the cause or phenomena is still unexplained?

Sure, but then you have to rule out the cause as being purple unicorns or a teapot on Mars, because all three are equally as likely.

The problem with your explanation is that you use the typical bullshiat mountain excuse of everything being "fair and balanced" as if all sides always have equal standing.  When in the history of all things, science has consistently been able to explain unexplained phenomena while the role of the supernatural has been pushed more and more to the ignorant fringe, I would put my money on science being the ultimate explanation, no some deity desperately clung to by people too afraid to educate themselves about the world.


why do you feel people "desperately" are clinging to God?  Why do you assume those who believe have not educated themselves about the world?

I did not say one has to give every possible solution under the sun the same balance in trying to explain an issue.  As a Christian I can look at the science and understand this is the universe that God created and the rules and actions that have been put in place to allow the universe to function.
 
2014-03-17 02:02:41 PM

ciberido: farkingismybusiness: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x375]

But the internet is a whole SERIES of tubes so ....

Woah.

MIND.  BLOWN.



cdn.uproxx.com
 
2014-03-17 03:25:07 PM

100 Watt Walrus: I mean, actually in a cartoon, and with actually clichéd bad-guy dialogue.


Unfortunately, some of that "bad dialog" is simply what history indicates was actually said -- merely translating into English from the classical Italian or Latin (depending on which speech).

Though to admit blame where due, some of the translation seemed pretty wretched.

Waldo Pepper: why do you feel people "desperately" are clinging to God?


The frequency with which Christian commentators appear to consider atheism as necessarily implying nihilism, with religion the only alternative to associated despondency, seems suggestive.
 
2014-03-17 04:53:57 PM

abb3w: 100 Watt Walrus: I mean, actually in a cartoon, and with actually clichéd bad-guy dialogue.

Unfortunately, some of that "bad dialog" is simply what history indicates was actually said -- merely translating into English from the classical Italian or Latin (depending on which speech).

Though to admit blame where due, some of the translation seemed pretty wretched.

Waldo Pepper: why do you feel people "desperately" are clinging to God?

The frequency with which Christian commentators appear to consider atheism as necessarily implying nihilism, with religion the only alternative to associated despondency, seems suggestive.


I guess if you base your views of Christians on a high percent of  commentators I will admit you are correct. Might I suggest not viewing Christians thru the eyes of the media/hollywood.  When you do you are doing the same thing Christians do when they base their views on the lgbt community off the San Fran gay pride parade. 

I think we would all do better to get to know the people behind the labels and not just how they are when their beliefs/lifestyles (everyone) are being attack.
 
2014-03-17 04:59:56 PM
Although I am not a fan of his work, the fact that MacFarlane used his money and influence to help make this series happen makes me very appreciative, and I would gladly shake his hand and thank him personally given the chance.

/Same for everyone else involved.
//Even Brannon "Threshold" Braga
 
2014-03-17 05:33:30 PM

Waldo Pepper: As a Christian I can look at the science and understand  speculate with absolutely no evidence that this is the universe that God created and the rules and actions that have been put in place to allow the universe to function.


FTFY
 
2014-03-17 05:43:50 PM

WhyteRaven74: The eye? They're actually going for the one thing the intelligent design crowd explicitly states as being too complex to be naturally evolved? Oh snap.


But I see the eviloutionists are still too cowardly and dishonest to take on the banana, which as everybody knows is the atheists' worst nightmare.
 
2014-03-17 05:45:40 PM

tudorgurl: farkingismybusiness: I think he might be on to something about us being related to trees. Everyday I wake up with morning wood.

SCIENCE!


1.bp.blogspot.com

It's poetry in motion.
 
2014-03-17 05:55:52 PM

Bawdy George: Waldo Pepper: As a Christian I can look at the science and understand  speculate with absolutely no evidence that this is the universe that God created and the rules and actions that have been put in place to allow the universe to function.

FTFY


sorry to see that you are so closed minded. I'm not asking or demanding that you agree with me or my beliefs as I don't expect you to ask or demand that I believe with your beliefs. I was just joining in the discussion.
 
2014-03-17 05:59:27 PM

Waldo Pepper: you have summed this show up nicely.  I'm Christian and I believe in Creation. I had the show on in the background and was listening to it. It struck me as a chance to bash religion and very little "fact" based information.

Everything

in "Cosmos" is fact-based information. The problem with episode 1 of "Cosmos" is it presents its fact as a given, rather than backing them up. Even a "learn more at..." URL in the corner of the screen would have been sufficient. Now that I think about it, they really should have done that. A corresponding website could include citations, statement by statement, for everything in the show.
 
2014-03-17 06:09:27 PM

Waldo Pepper: sorry to see that you are so closed minded


Alright, then. according to you:

Open to all possibilities, yet requiring evidence = closed-minded
Pretending to know something you don't know, with zero evidence = open minded?

I appreciate that you aren't demanding anything, and you seem reasonable for the most part, but let's not pretend your beliefs have any mooring in reality.
 
2014-03-17 06:10:56 PM

doyner: Jesterling: An ad for a Noah's arc movie during Cosmos.  It's the end of the empire, folks.

Advertising companies know there are evangelicals out there watching Cosmos in order to get angry.


I remember the day I first understood that some people really, really, WANT to be angry.  It was quite the epiphany.
 
2014-03-17 06:22:30 PM

Bawdy George: Waldo Pepper: sorry to see that you are so closed minded

Alright, then. according to you:

Open to all possibilities, yet requiring evidence = closed-minded
Pretending to know something you don't know, with zero evidence = open minded?

I appreciate that you aren't demanding anything, and you seem reasonable for the most part, but let's not pretend your beliefs have any mooring in reality.


closed minded was a bit sarcastic humor since you ruled out God. ;-)

my beliefs have moorings in reality. There is a written history that goes back thousands of years. You may not accept those writings are accurate but I do and there has been some scientific and historic backing to events in the that are in those writing. 

Let us be honest. for the majority of people the actual details of how the Cosmos (to use the show's term) began or advanced have no bearing on our life. I think it is awesome that there are folks out there who have made their life's work trying to figure out how everything happened and I am thankful for the advances that have been made due their studies/work. Now for a great majority of people having a belief and faith in a higher being plays a much greater role in their life and a much more positive impact. 

Don't confuse my faith and belief in God/Christ with the corruption and negative impact organized religion has had on the world.
 
2014-03-17 06:25:26 PM

Froonium: The Lone Gunman: So, basically, we're the retarded offspring of five monkeys having butt sex with a mutant fish-squirrel.

Nah, that's just you.


My ancestors came over on Golgafrincham Ark B, personally.
 
2014-03-17 06:27:56 PM

Waldo Pepper: my beliefs have moorings in reality. There is a written history that goes back thousands of years. You may not accept those writings are accurate but I do and there has been some scientific and historic backing to events in the that are in those writing.


Such as?
 
2014-03-17 06:30:47 PM

100 Watt Walrus: Waldo Pepper: you have summed this show up nicely.  I'm Christian and I believe in Creation. I had the show on in the background and was listening to it. It struck me as a chance to bash religion and very little "fact" based information.

Everything in "Cosmos" is fact-based information. The problem with episode 1 of "Cosmos" is it presents its fact as a given, rather than backing them up. Even a "learn more at..." URL in the corner of the screen would have been sufficient. Now that I think about it, they really should have done that. A corresponding website could include citations, statement by statement, for everything in the show.


BTW, I don't see any of the content in "Cosmos" as "a chance to bash religion." The cartoon villainy of the Inquisition is, if anything, mild compared to the real villainy of the Inquisition. But to literally draw the characters so broad makes the point less salient.

And don't let your detractors in this thread get you down. It's possible to believe god is responsible for all the discoveries we make about the universe through science, as long as you acknowledge it is a belief, as there is no testable evidence for the existence of god. Faith is faith, and there's nothing wrong with faith as long as it doesn't blind you to fact.

There exists only anecdotal, wholly untestable evidence for reincarnation, but I believe in that because of my own experiences. I can't back it up with anything scientific.

/atheist
 
2014-03-17 06:35:19 PM

Ishkur: Waldo Pepper: my beliefs have moorings in reality. There is a written history that goes back thousands of years. You may not accept those writings are accurate but I do and there has been some scientific and historic backing to events in the that are in those writing.

Such as?


you have google or bing feel free to do a search.
 
2014-03-17 06:35:56 PM

Waldo Pepper: Don't confuse my faith and belief in God/Christ with the corruption and negative impact organized religion has had on the world.


Well, on that we can agree. We cool ;)
 
2014-03-17 06:37:06 PM

Ishkur: Waldo Pepper: my beliefs have moorings in reality. There is a written history that goes back thousands of years. You may not accept those writings are accurate but I do and there has been some scientific and historic backing to events in the that are in those writing.

Such as?


I'd like to hear the answer to this too.
 
2014-03-17 06:38:12 PM

Waldo Pepper: Ishkur: Waldo Pepper: my beliefs have moorings in reality. There is a written history that goes back thousands of years. You may not accept those writings are accurate but I do and there has been some scientific and historic backing to events in the that are in those writing.

Such as?

you have google or bing feel free to do a search.


You're losing me Waldo.

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2014-03-17 06:44:49 PM

Waldo Pepper: I guess if you base your views of Christians on a high percent of commentators I will admit you are correct. Might I suggest not viewing Christians thru the eyes of the media/hollywood.


I was merely pointing to that as a convenient source of examples. While my own circle of acquaintance is also hardly a representative sample, its also one of the arguments I've more frequently encountered in person, and in various apologetics literature in theology journals.
 
2014-03-17 06:44:52 PM

100 Watt Walrus: 100 Watt Walrus: Waldo Pepper: you have summed this show up nicely.  I'm Christian and I believe in Creation. I had the show on in the background and was listening to it. It struck me as a chance to bash religion and very little "fact" based information.

Everything in "Cosmos" is fact-based information. The problem with episode 1 of "Cosmos" is it presents its fact as a given, rather than backing them up. Even a "learn more at..." URL in the corner of the screen would have been sufficient. Now that I think about it, they really should have done that. A corresponding website could include citations, statement by statement, for everything in the show.

BTW, I don't see any of the content in "Cosmos" as "a chance to bash religion." The cartoon villainy of the Inquisition is, if anything, mild compared to the real villainy of the Inquisition. But to literally draw the characters so broad makes the point less salient.

And don't let your detractors in this thread get you down. It's possible to believe god is responsible for all the discoveries we make about the universe through science, as long as you acknowledge it is a belief, as there is no testable evidence for the existence of god. Faith is faith, and there's nothing wrong with faith as long as it doesn't blind you to fact.

There exists only anecdotal, wholly untestable evidence for reincarnation, but I believe in that because of my own experiences. I can't back it up with anything scientific.

/atheist


appreciate your kind words. none of this gets me down. I also realize that by my faith that all of this is to be expected as the end times gets closer.    I actually love these fark discussions except for some of the lame "sky wizard" or "people who believe are stupid" type comments. My faith will never been shaken or tested by anything said in a comment section. But I will add that in some areas I have listen (read) and revisited what I have been taught and learned and have adjusted my viewpoints on some areas.   These adjustments have always reinforced my belief in God and have opened my eyes to the greed/power of those who are Christian in name only CINO's as i believe one farker has labeled folks and quite an accurate label.
 
2014-03-17 06:49:18 PM

Waldo Pepper: you have google or bing feel free to do a search.


No, it's your bold assertion, so YOU have to back it up: Give me an example of scientific evidence for the existence of God.
 
2014-03-17 06:53:46 PM

Ishkur: Waldo Pepper: you have google or bing feel free to do a search.

No, it's your bold assertion, so YOU have to back it up: Give me an example of scientific evidence for the existence of God.


It is his assertion and his responsibility to back it up, but you're deliberately and badly misrepresenting his claim, which was "my beliefs have moorings in reality. There is a written history that goes back thousands of years."

Not one thing Waldo has written has even approached asserting there is scientific evidence of god.
 
2014-03-17 06:54:35 PM

Waldo Pepper: as the end times gets closer


Yes, the end times are getting closer - every day is closer to the estimated 1.2 billion years from now when the sun enters the red giant phase. Were you claiming something sooner?
 
2014-03-17 07:00:46 PM

Bawdy George: Waldo Pepper: as the end times gets closer

Yes, the end times are getting closer - every day is closer to the estimated 1.2 billion years from now when the sun enters the red giant phase. Were you claiming something sooner?


I find this statement from Waldo preposterous as well, but let's stick to the topic. A belief that the "end times" are in any way near (or in any way real) goes with the territory of Waldo's brand of faith. Further threadjacking is pointless and irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
 
2014-03-17 07:10:54 PM

Bawdy George: Waldo Pepper: as the end times gets closer

Yes, the end times are getting closer - every day is closer to the estimated 1.2 billion years from now when the sun enters the red giant phase. Were you claiming something sooner?


Since this is Fark....so you agree we are closer to the end times then we were yesterday. ;-)
 
2014-03-17 07:20:06 PM

abb3w: Waldo Pepper: I guess if you base your views of Christians on a high percent of commentators I will admit you are correct. Might I suggest not viewing Christians thru the eyes of the media/hollywood.

I was merely pointing to that as a convenient source of examples. While my own circle of acquaintance is also hardly a representative sample, its also one of the arguments I've more frequently encountered in person, and in various apologetics literature in theology journals.


Okay I'll give you that example.  Of course in those type of journals and the same goes for the opposite side, one will always hear the same type of arguments "you can't prove God exist" "what about the gaps in the fossil record", "BANANAS!!!" "Why does God allow evil things to happen to good people/kids".  

It was good to hear the host say "we don't have all the answers" and it's the same thing I say about the Bible it doesn't supply all the details on every little thing. At times I wish it did supply all the answers but then i realize how boring life would be if we had them.
 
2014-03-17 07:22:23 PM

100 Watt Walrus: Not one thing Waldo has written has even approached asserting there is scientific evidence of god.


He's asserting Biblical certainty, and he's asserting that there is scientific evidence of its validity. You CAN NOT have Biblical certainty without presupposing the existence of God. He's dressing it in soft word usage (ie: Intelligent Design or Pantheism as placeholders for Creationism) to dance around the point but that is essentially what he wants to affirm.

I have no interest in such weasel language. Let's get to the point and say what we mean.
 
2014-03-17 07:26:52 PM

Waldo Pepper: It was good to hear the host say "we don't have all the answers" and it's the same thing I say about the Bible it doesn't supply all the details on every little thing. At times I wish it did supply all the answers but then i realize how boring life would be if we had them.


I notice that the only answers the Bible provides are on subjects that science hasn't fully investigated yet.

I also notice that those answers are becoming less and less as time goes on.
 
2014-03-17 07:37:00 PM

Ishkur: 100 Watt Walrus: Not one thing Waldo has written has even approached asserting there is scientific evidence of god.

He's asserting Biblical certainty, and he's asserting that there is scientific evidence of its validity. You CAN NOT have Biblical certainty without presupposing the existence of God. He's dressing it in soft word usage (ie: Intelligent Design or Pantheism as placeholders for Creationism) to dance around the point but that is essentially what he wants to affirm.

I have no interest in such weasel language. Let's get to the point and say what we mean.


I have never denied that I believe in Creationism, I can take the science that we have today and measure it with the Bible and see how it applies.  

Now can one read the Bible and learn about the history of the figures in the Bible with presupposing the existence of God?

Did King David exist and can one learn about him in the Bible and still be an Atheist?
 
2014-03-17 08:02:05 PM

Waldo Pepper: I have never denied that I believe in Creationism, I can take the science that we have today and measure it with the Bible and see how it applies.


And what has science taught you about the Bible?

Waldo Pepper: Now can one read the Bible and learn about the history of the figures in the Bible with presupposing the existence of God?


Conveniently, only the ones that don't exist.

Waldo Pepper: Did King David exist and can one learn about him in the Bible and still be an Atheist?


No, don't start with David. Start at the beginning. You can't can't skip 33 generations and 9 whole books in the Bible and assert that because one easy example may have existed, therefore the whole thing is true.

The Bible does have some true stuff in it. No one has ever disputed that. But having some true things is a far cry from Biblical certainty -- that everything in it is true.
 
2014-03-17 08:10:04 PM

Ishkur: Waldo Pepper: I have never denied that I believe in Creationism, I can take the science that we have today and measure it with the Bible and see how it applies.

And what has science taught you about the Bible?

Waldo Pepper: Now can one read the Bible and learn about the history of the figures in the Bible with presupposing the existence of God?

Conveniently, only the ones that don't exist.

Waldo Pepper: Did King David exist and can one learn about him in the Bible and still be an Atheist?

No, don't start with David. Start at the beginning. You can't can't skip 33 generations and 9 whole books in the Bible and assert that because one easy example may have existed, therefore the whole thing is true.

The Bible does have some true stuff in it. No one has ever disputed that. But having some true things is a far cry from Biblical certainty -- that everything in it is true.


You: You CAN NOT have Biblical certainty without presupposing the existence of God. 

i'm simply proving that a person can have Bible certainty without presupposing the existence of God.  From an historical view there is quite a bit of the Bible that can be proven to have existed without presupposing God.  From a scientific standpoint. I'm willing to bet that some of the advice on farming, where to build one's house, what is clean to eat (during time period) are all quite accurate and hold up to today's science. 

Why are you so eager to try and prove my belief in God is wrong?
 
2014-03-17 08:43:44 PM

Waldo Pepper: i'm simply proving that a person can have Bible certainty without presupposing the existence of God.


How?

Waldo Pepper: From an historical view there is quite a bit of the Bible that can be proven to have existed without presupposing God. From a scientific standpoint


Okay, Genesis chapters 1-20. Without presupposing God. Go.

Waldo Pepper: I'm willing to bet that some of the advice on farming, where to build one's house, what is clean to eat (during time period) are all quite accurate and hold up to today's science.


They hold up about as well as their claims that bats were birds (Leviticus 11:13-19), insects had four legs (Leviticus 11:20), rabbits chew cud (Leviticus 11:6), doctors can't cure people as well as God (2 Chronicles 16:12-13), the number Pi is 3 (1 Kings 7:23, 2 Chronicles 4:2), ostriches didn't take care of their eggs (Job 39:13-16), stars were smaller than the Earth (Revelation 8:10), the moon has its own light source (Isaiah 13:10), the Earth existed before the sun (Genesis 1:1), and they got absolutely everything wrong about female physiology (Deuteronomy 22:13-16).

They also thought the heart, not the brain, was the center of thought, emotion and moral understanding (dozens of references including John 14:1, Matthew 5:28, Luke 6:45, Ephesians 5:19, Isaiah 6:10 and Romans 10:10). There is also some 60 references, give or take, to the Earth being a flat circular disk, a flat square, fixed, supported by pillars or a foundation of some sort, surrounded by water, unmoving, unchanging or at the center of the solar system. Whenever they describe the dimensions of the Earth, there is never any mention of it being a sphere, circling the sun, or rotating on an axis.

Is that the kind of science you're talking about?

Waldo Pepper: Why are you so eager to try and prove my belief in God is wrong?


I'm not eager to try and prove your belief in God is wrong. I want to understand why you think your belief in God is right.
 
2014-03-17 08:54:45 PM

Ishkur: Waldo Pepper: i'm simply proving that a person can have Bible certainty without presupposing the existence of God.

How?

Waldo Pepper: From an historical view there is quite a bit of the Bible that can be proven to have existed without presupposing God. From a scientific standpoint

Okay, Genesis chapters 1-20. Without presupposing God. Go.

Waldo Pepper: I'm willing to bet that some of the advice on farming, where to build one's house, what is clean to eat (during time period) are all quite accurate and hold up to today's science.

They hold up about as well as their claims that bats were birds (Leviticus 11:13-19), insects had four legs (Leviticus 11:20), rabbits chew cud (Leviticus 11:6), doctors can't cure people as well as God (2 Chronicles 16:12-13), the number Pi is 3 (1 Kings 7:23, 2 Chronicles 4:2), ostriches didn't take care of their eggs (Job 39:13-16), stars were smaller than the Earth (Revelation 8:10), the moon has its own light source (Isaiah 13:10), the Earth existed before the sun (Genesis 1:1), and they got absolutely everything wrong about female physiology (Deuteronomy 22:13-16).

They also thought the heart, not the brain, was the center of thought, emotion and moral understanding (dozens of references including John 14:1, Matthew 5:28, Luke 6:45, Ephesians 5:19, Isaiah 6:10 and Romans 10:10). There is also some 60 references, give or take, to the Earth being a flat circular disk, a flat square, fixed, supported by pillars or a foundation of some sort, surrounded by water, unmoving, unchanging or at the center of the solar system. Whenever they describe the dimensions of the Earth, there is never any mention of it being a sphere, circling the sun, or rotating on an axis.

Is that the kind of science you're talking about?

Waldo Pepper: Why are you so eager to try and prove my belief in God is wrong?

I'm not eager to try and prove your belief in God is wrong. I want to understand why you think your belief in God is right.


My answer was in response to this part of the thread and no where did I say everything was proven scientifically in the Bible
I appreciate that you aren't demanding anything, and you seem reasonable for the most part, but let's not pretend your beliefs have any mooring in reality.


my beliefs have moorings in reality. There is a written history that goes back thousands of years. You may not accept those writings are accurate but I do and there has been some scientific and historic backing to events in the that are in those writing.

 

so instead of understanding what I wrote about being able to gain knowledge from the Bible without believing in God you decide to play the old game of "what about this and that verse."   Sorry I don't play that game.
 
2014-03-17 09:19:57 PM
Ishkur, I'm all for being able to intelligently quote the absurdities of the bible to thumpers and literalists, but Waldo is quite clearly neither. He's in this thread because he doesn't have a problem reconciling scientific fact with his christianity.

Save your gotchas and interrogations for brick-headed, hypocritical, anti-science nitwits who see the world in black-and-white, and be glad there exist in the world some people of faith who think for themselves instead of letting someone behind a pulpit do it for them.
 
2014-03-17 09:20:35 PM
Oops. Formatting fail. Not shouting at ya, Ishkur.
 
2014-03-17 09:30:44 PM

Waldo Pepper: so instead of understanding what I wrote about being able to gain knowledge from the Bible without believing in God you decide to play the old game of "what about this and that verse." Sorry I don't play that game.


WHAT KNOWLEDGE CAN BE GAINED FROM THE BIBLE WITHOUT BELIEVING IN GOD? Be specific. Answer just one of my questions, please.

I am asking you, ONE LAST TIME, how Biblical certainty is scientifically verified and you have YET to provide me with a single shred of evidence. You've already conceded that not all of it is, which means Biblical certainty is anything but. So now we're just working on the details.

If you are either unwilling or unable to do this, then don't assert things you don't intend to back up and which you aren't even sure are true.
 
2014-03-17 09:33:29 PM

100 Watt Walrus: Ishkur, I'm all for being able to intelligently quote the absurdities of the bible to thumpers and literalists, but Waldo is quite clearly neither. He's in this thread because he doesn't have a problem reconciling scientific fact with his christianity.


I know exactly what he's doing. He's been doing this for years. He's Fark's most considerate religious concern troll.

But at least he's not annoying (like He Who Shall Not Be Named or even the other He Who Shall Not Be Named).
 
2014-03-17 09:56:12 PM

Ishkur: Waldo Pepper: so instead of understanding what I wrote about being able to gain knowledge from the Bible without believing in God you decide to play the old game of "what about this and that verse." Sorry I don't play that game.

WHAT KNOWLEDGE CAN BE GAINED FROM THE BIBLE WITHOUT BELIEVING IN GOD? Be specific. Answer just one of my questions, please.


There is a lot of wonderful advice in the book of proverbs, in the Psalms one can learn how to write poetry.  The song of Solomon one can gain some sexual knowledge.   1 Corinthians offers great advice on love. Great advice on how to deal with people and even some outstanding lessons on how to be a leader.

In Jonah 2:5-6 he mentions mountains at the bottom of the ocean which I doubt anyone was able to go that deep on their own

The Earth being round Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
 
2014-03-18 12:21:46 AM

Waldo Pepper: There is a lot of wonderful advice in the book of proverbs, in the Psalms one can learn how to write poetry. The song of Solomon one can gain some sexual knowledge. 1 Corinthians offers great advice on love. Great advice on how to deal with people and even some outstanding lessons on how to be a leader.
In Jonah 2:5-6 he mentions mountains at the bottom of the ocean which I doubt anyone was able to go that deep on their own


None of these are scientific evidence.

Waldo Pepper: The Earth being round Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,


You cheater, you didn't quote the whole passage: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

How do you stretch the Heavens around a sphere like a tent? Tents are stretched out over flat surfaces. He's talking about a disc.

A circle is not a sphere. There are many references of it being a flat disc because the sun and moon are flat discs. And there are many references to the sea encircling all the land, and the sky being upheld by pillars. This was the common view throughout the entire Ancient near east, so it's not something the Hebrews invented.
 
2014-03-18 07:40:34 AM

Ishkur: Waldo Pepper: There is a lot of wonderful advice in the book of proverbs, in the Psalms one can learn how to write poetry. The song of Solomon one can gain some sexual knowledge. 1 Corinthians offers great advice on love. Great advice on how to deal with people and even some outstanding lessons on how to be a leader.
In Jonah 2:5-6 he mentions mountains at the bottom of the ocean which I doubt anyone was able to go that deep on their own

None of these are scientific evidence.

Waldo Pepper: The Earth being round Isaiah 40:22
He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,

You cheater, you didn't quote the whole passage: "He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in."

How do you stretch the Heavens around a sphere like a tent? Tents are stretched out over flat surfaces. He's talking about a disc.

A circle is not a sphere. There are many references of it being a flat disc because the sun and moon are flat discs. And there are many references to the sea encircling all the land, and the sky being upheld by pillars. This was the common view throughout the entire Ancient near east, so it's not something the Hebrews invented.


This is your questions and being in caps I assume it was the most important point
WHAT KNOWLEDGE CAN BE GAINED FROM THE BIBLE WITHOUT BELIEVING IN GOD?

I cited you quite a bit of knowledge in the Bible that is useful without believing in God, you choose to ignore your own question and then shift the goalposts to my answer not being of science.

I could argue these are social sciences, but then you would claim that really isn't science and then I would argue "who gave you the power to claim what is a science" and we would go round and round on that one.


but it is evidence that has been proven by science. What do you expect me to find  a passage that is a scientific study. It is the Bible and not a science book.  Wow you limit tents to what you know and not what is possible.

just admit you hate Christians and your only reasons for asking these questions is that you have memorized set arguments that you others have invented that you feel makes you look smart.  

Oh and sometime to think about, in our discussion I made you look up verses in the Bible a book that you despise. game, set and match. 

Thanks for playing.
 
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