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(Des Moines Register)   Since a Republican governor was elected in Iowa, his administration has paid nearly $300,000 to six former state employees who were fired because they voted for Democrats and clearly weren't qualified to do the jobs they'd been doing for years   (desmoinesregister.com) divider line 22
    More: Fail, Democrat Party, Iowa, Republicans, Iowa Appeal Board, design engineer, Terry Branstad, Iowa Attorney General, confidentiality agreements  
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2014-03-16 09:11:21 PM  
6 votes:
Fark isn't a democrat echo chamber. Fark is a reality echo chamber.

It just so happens that at this point in history, the democratic party is more aligned with reality than the republican party.
2014-03-16 09:43:57 PM  
5 votes:

fusillade762: Well, in this particular case I don't think you see Democrats stacking agencies with incompetent partisan cronies often because they tend to believe government should actually work effectively. When you believe, as Republicans these days seem to, that the government is always the problem and is hopelessly broken it tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.


No, see, this is how it works.

Everything is either 100% right or 100% wrong.  Every wrong thing that someone does is an equal level of wrong.  Murder, arson, jaywalking, they're all the same.

Therefore, it's acceptable to do wrong just as long as you have fewer "wrong points" than the other side.  You do this by going all-out evil (remember, since every "wrong" is judged the same, no sense going halfway), and then spend the rest of your time relentlessly nitpicking the other side so that you have piles and piles of "wrongs" to lay in their corner to prove that they're worse.

Thus, you justify yourself by saying "Well, we may be relegating huge swaths of the population to second-class citizenry, but the other guys took a selfie at a funeral, and eat fancy mustard.  So, see, we're only doing ONE thing wrong while they're doing TWO, therefore they're TWICE AS BAD."
2014-03-16 09:45:45 PM  
4 votes:

fusillade762: Well, in this particular case I don't think you see Democrats stacking agencies with incompetent partisan cronies often because they tend to believe government should actually work effectively. When you believe, as Republicans these days seem to, that the government is always the problem and is hopelessly broken it tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.


THIS

The Dems actually want to help people and make government work as it should, you know, bridges, roads, food stamps, health care.

The GOP had moved into "government can make my friends and me rich!!! WOHOOOO!!!!"
2014-03-16 10:34:54 PM  
3 votes:

MFAWG: Kumana Wanalaia: When GW Bush came to office, he stacked the departments with political cronies.

One of these hires was the head of FEMA. Then Katrina hit. But hey, I'm sure it will all work out swell this time.

Patronage is as old as the hills.


Political patronage is also one of the big reasons to have a professional civil service.  And gov't unions.  Because it wastes everybody's time to have a new IT director for the Dept of Transportation every gubernatorial election.  The new gov shouldn't be able to fire people just for being in a different political party.
2014-03-16 09:37:22 PM  
3 votes:

MFAWG: Kumana Wanalaia: When GW Bush came to office, he stacked the departments with political cronies.

One of these hires was the head of FEMA. Then Katrina hit. But hey, I'm sure it will all work out swell this time.

Patronage is as old as the hills.


Patronage and incompetence are two separate things, but they weren't when Bush was in office.
2014-03-16 09:15:37 PM  
3 votes:

Frederick: AnonAmbientLight: Am i missing something? Am i in an echo chamber, or is it wrong for me to think that Republicans are really just spiteful, hateful, assholes?

Both are true.  Fark is generally a Democrat/Liberal (or progressive) echo chamber.  AND Republican majority is spiteful, hateful assholes.


Republicans are not a majority. They lost the House of Representatives by 1.7 million votes. They're a bunch of Gerry*'s kids.

*Gerry M. Ander
2014-03-16 10:05:03 PM  
2 votes:
Given that the modmins approve of derpsauce links, Fark isn't a Dem/Lib haven.

Honestly, I want to see links showing actual horrible things elected Ds are doing, so we can kick them out.

But then, that's one thing about the Democratic party: they shove over the ledge anyone who's a loonie, an exposed crook, or a PR nightmare. The Republicans put theirs front and center and rally around them.
2014-03-16 09:38:25 PM  
2 votes:

mgshamster: Fark isn't a democrat echo chamber. Fark is a reality echo chamber.

It just so happens that at this point in history, the democratic party is more aligned with reality than the republican party.


Truth
2014-03-16 09:33:47 PM  
2 votes:
Part of Deichmann's job was to improve reporting of infections contracted at hospitals - a role opposed by multiple medical groups closely aligned with the GOP

Let me get this straight.  Part of the GOP's 'replace' part of repeal and replace involves actively discouraging hospitals from figuring out if they're making their patients sicker?  Who the fark can call themselves a doctor or even a 'medical group' and oppose finding out why people get sick?
2014-03-16 09:28:30 PM  
2 votes:

AnonAmbientLight: I get on fark, and i always see stupid to borderline comic book evil stunts by Republicans.
I know that both sides have it's stinkers, and that Democrats are not pure either. But, i might have a bias here in thinking that the Democrats don't do nearly as much awful shiat as the Republicans do, at least not in the last 4-5 years.

Am i missing something? Am i in an echo chamber, or is it wrong for me to think that Republicans are really just spiteful, hateful, assholes?
I mean, Sarah Palin went to a CPAC or a Cwhatever with a 48oz coke yelling freedom for what some Democrat did in New York, and on the other hand, people CAN NOT VOTE in some states because of Republican voter disenfranchisement.


Well, in this particular case I don't think you see Democrats stacking agencies with incompetent partisan cronies often because they tend to believe government should actually work effectively. When you believe, as Republicans these days seem to, that the government is always the problem and is hopelessly broken it tends to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
2014-03-16 09:24:56 PM  
2 votes:

Frederick: AnonAmbientLight: Am i missing something? Am i in an echo chamber, or is it wrong for me to think that Republicans are really just spiteful, hateful, assholes?

Both are true.  Fark is generally a Democrat/Liberal (or progressive) echo chamber.  AND Republican majority is spiteful, hateful assholes.


By which you mean, we like facts and proof? Yeah. Liberal. Progressive.
2014-03-16 09:01:31 PM  
2 votes:

MFAWG: Kumana Wanalaia: When GW Bush came to office, he stacked the departments with political cronies.

One of these hires was the head of FEMA. Then Katrina hit. But hey, I'm sure it will all work out swell this time.

Patronage is as old as the hills.


So is murder. Therefore it should be legal
2014-03-16 08:58:00 PM  
2 votes:
Deichmann worked with the Culver administration to develop strategies to reduce infections that commonly occur in hospitals, efforts that included mandated statewide reporting. The effort was paid partly with money from the federal health care reform law, commonly called Obamacare and generally opposed by Republicans. Groups influential to Republican lawmakers including the Iowa Hospital Association generally opposed any sort of oversight or mandatory reporting related to infections. Gerd Clabaugh, the Department of Public Health's deputy director who was appointed by Branstad, resisted Deichmann's efforts related to the infection program.

Ladies and gentlemen, your 21st-century Republican Party.
2014-03-17 10:51:52 AM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: mgshamster: Fark isn't a democrat echo chamber. Fark is a reality echo chamber.

It just so happens that at this point in history, the democratic party is more aligned with reality than the republican party.

I live in the most liberal county in the South (and the most educated in Florida), and most of my friends are liberal.  And they're great people.  I think it's mostly due to the anonymity of the internet, and because you mostly remember the bad people, but many Fark liberals are so naive, so bitter, and so poorly educated it's astonishing.  And from reading the posts, you would think that none of them have any conservative friends or family members.

It's so refreshing to have a political conversation in the real world without constant false dichotomies, tu quoque, lame memes, etc...  Where disagreeing with someone over the role of government in American society doesn't make you inherently cruel, stupid, or selfish.

But obviously I like it, cause I keep coming back for more.


I've found the opposite to be true. Most of the people in my life are conservative. There are only a handful of people I interact with who are liberal, and of them, half are the anti-science type of liberal. Most of the political or science* conversations I get into are shrouded in lame logical fallacies and poor representation of the evidence (when evidence is even used at all). It's basically tea party and fox news misinformation taken to heart, and any information that is counter to what is believed is hand waved away with a, "it's obviously a liberal bias, so it doesn't count." Or in the case the liberal anti-science folk, "It's a conspiracy." I'm not making that up; my brother believes that you can't trust corporations (because they're only in it for profit) and since they own the givernent, you cant trust them either. and since both own or "donate" to universities, that means their research also can't be trusted. So no scientific research from a university, government, or corporation can be trusted. It's all a cover up just to bring in more profit to the corporations.

When I come to Fark, it is such a refreshing dose of reality. It has been what has kept me coming back all these years.

As a scientist, I can say that this is especualy true for the sciences: evolution, vaccines, climate change, alt med; more often than not there are some very intelligent farkers posting very intelligent things on all those subjects that match reality.

In politics, the same has been true, and more often than not it has been backed with evidence and citations.

Sure, there are memes and morons and jackasses abound, but you have to look at it as a subset of any society (albeit a self selecting society): there will be a range of opinion and intellect. And while that is just as true here as anywhere else, I just don't see fark as full of morons; especially when compared to YouTube comments or on nearly every online news comment section, or even in the political chat rooms I sometimes visit.

Farkers provide citations; they back up their assertions with evidence. For a comments section of a website, that is rare and valuable. And it is something that I've never seen someone in a real life casual debate do.

*Not counting work, where is actually do science with fellow scientists; but the things we talk about aren't controversial or political.

/And on top of all that, Farkers tend to have a keen wit and good humor.
2014-03-17 05:48:15 AM  
1 votes:

AnonAmbientLight: I get on fark, and i always see stupid to borderline comic book evil stunts by Republicans. 

I know that both sides have it's stinkers, and that Democrats are not pure either. But, i might have a bias here in thinking that the Democrats don't do nearly as much awful shiat as the Republicans do, at least not in the last 4-5 years.

Am i missing something? Am i in an echo chamber, or is it wrong for me to think that Republicans are really just spiteful, hateful, assholes? 

I mean, Sarah Palin went to a CPAC or a Cwhatever with a 48oz coke yelling freedom for what some Democrat did in New York, and on the other hand, people CAN NOT VOTE in some states because of Republican voter disenfranchisement.


If you mean Bloomberg, he was an ex-Republican independent, who ran on the Republican ballot line.
2014-03-17 01:47:23 AM  
1 votes:
Jesus Christ these people are evil scumbags. I just don't get how anyone could vote for them. I REALLY hope some of them come to their senses and kick the bastards out next cycle.
2014-03-16 11:00:20 PM  
1 votes:
Democrats hire professionals, Republicans hire their friends.  Sounds like business as usual to me.  Heckuva job.
2014-03-16 10:12:18 PM  
1 votes:

Lackofname: Given that the modmins approve of derpsauce links, Fark isn't a Dem/Lib haven.

Honestly, I want to see links showing actual horrible things elected Ds are doing, so we can kick them out.

But then, that's one thing about the Democratic party: they shove over the ledge anyone who's a loonie, an exposed crook, or a PR nightmare. The Republicans put theirs front and center and rally around them.


The easiest way to find someone horrible in the Dem party is to go to local politics.    Of course, at that point it doesn't matter, because local politics tend to ignore party lines when it comes to corruption.

/Sure, there might be a handful of dems on the state and national level that are bad, but they don't put their crazies front and center and hold them up on a pedestal like the GOP has been doing lately.
2014-03-16 10:08:14 PM  
1 votes:
Which party demanded all convention attendees sign Loyalty Oaths, again?

protestzone.com
2014-03-16 09:47:53 PM  
1 votes:

kapaso: MFAWG: Kumana Wanalaia: When GW Bush came to office, he stacked the departments with political cronies.

One of these hires was the head of FEMA. Then Katrina hit. But hey, I'm sure it will all work out swell this time.

Patronage is as old as the hills.

Patronage and incompetence are two separate things, but they weren't when Bush was in office.


Oh, putting people who believe Gubment is evil in Gubment jobs never works out well.

And then there;s Bridgegate.
2014-03-16 09:01:32 PM  
1 votes:
I get on fark, and i always see stupid to borderline comic book evil stunts by Republicans. 

I know that both sides have it's stinkers, and that Democrats are not pure either. But, i might have a bias here in thinking that the Democrats don't do nearly as much awful shiat as the Republicans do, at least not in the last 4-5 years.

Am i missing something? Am i in an echo chamber, or is it wrong for me to think that Republicans are really just spiteful, hateful, assholes? 

I mean, Sarah Palin went to a CPAC or a Cwhatever with a 48oz coke yelling freedom for what some Democrat did in New York, and on the other hand, people CAN NOT VOTE in some states because of Republican voter disenfranchisement.
2014-03-16 08:54:26 PM  
1 votes:
When GW Bush came to office, he stacked the departments with political cronies.

One of these hires was the head of FEMA. Then Katrina hit. But hey, I'm sure it will all work out swell this time.
 
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