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2014-03-16 09:18:52 PM  

jaerik: The only options available on the Crimean secession vote were the following:

"Do you support joining Crimea with the Russian Federation as a citizen of the Russian Federation?"'
"Do you support restoration of 1992 Crimean Constitution and Crimea's status as a part of Ukraine?"

There was no vote option to remain a non-autonomous section of Ukraine, and as such, anyone that wasn't supporting some form of independence boycotted and stayed home.


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So many people in this thread talking out their asses on a subject they know nothing about.
 
2014-03-16 09:19:26 PM  
Exit polling in Crimea shows 93% of voters in favor of leaving Ukraine for Russia.

Then by all means, they should move to Russia as soon as possible.
 
2014-03-16 09:23:56 PM  

Saturn5: Ambivalence: You can't get 90% of a population to agree to ANYTHING without some threat or fiddling with numbers.

They should have aimed for 70something%.  Still an overwhelming mandate without that "dictatorial" feel to it.

But 90% of Americans want strict gun control!


Only if by "strict gun control" you mean "background checks on all gun purchases". And I think the percentage is slightly smaller, like high 80s.
 
2014-03-16 09:31:55 PM  
You really gotta hand it to American newsmedia.

So many Americans clamoring for an intervention when they barely know a damn thing about the place.
 
2014-03-16 09:38:44 PM  

ornithopter: BigNumber12: geek_mars: As I understand it, Crimea is very dependent on Ukraine. Their land is desert-like and low on resources. They get something like 80% of their water and electricity from Ukraine, and it all comes in via that narrow bit that connects the peninsula to the mainland. So, Crimea joins the Russian Federation and Ukraine stops providing them with power and water since Crimea is no longer part of their nation. Crimea won't be able to afford to purchase water and power, so they'll turn to the Russian Federation.

The Russian Federation will have to negotiate terms to purchase or lease the power and water, and Ukraine can charge them outrageous sums for the water and power and maintenance on the pipes/lines and even the land that they run on. They can also demand concessions on Russian oil and gas, which they can then sell to Europe, beating Russia's price. Finally, because fark Putin, that's why, they can charge a hefty "you interfered with our sovereignty and stole Crimea" surcharge.

Until Russia completes replacement infrastructure across the Kerch Strait and promptly tells Ukraine to fark off with their demands.

The upside to all of this is that we may see a fancy new bridge in the world, hurriedly constructed.

A fancy new [anything], hurriedly constructed by Russia?

[www.ndtv.com image 360x270] [sharing.thedenverchannel.com image 640x450]

/would not trust my life to that bridge


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2014-03-16 09:44:32 PM  
Wow, just wow..
There is enough Putin bashing going on in here that a stranger to the planet would think he is -your- president.

Did it ever occur to you that Mr. Putin is also a spokesman for -his- govt. and -his- govt is doing whatever it takes to keep the peace in their house?
Ukraine has some deep money problems, Add to that, the EU wants a piece of their action... a big one, incl a huge membership fee.
That's just one of the problems aggravating a population that is very hot headed by nature and by history.

Anyone here want to try to govern the CCCP?

EU would like to bring in the VAT, change their laws, force immigration changes in a nation far removed from their own lands. etc.

The US recently joined EU a lot deeper with tariff lifting... What will the US do when the contents of that sh*t sandwich are revealed?

A lot of the mystery would clarify itself by one little data point added.

CCCP is still the same corporation it used to be;
Just like AT&T is the same old Ma Bell, in different clothes.

Why is the US inc continually meddling in other nations' affairs?
Could it be that its just a power grab?
Check history, the answer is obvious.

Meanwhile, Mr Obama is -our- President... so why not blame him for all of it?
That would be unreasonable, childish...
How about we stop blaming someone else's president for everything,
its childish and unreasonable.

Meanwhile, the stock markets are going to nosedive... and other things will go wrong, then the rich will seize more from the underclass, in all the confusion.
 
2014-03-16 10:04:10 PM  
John McCain... the gift that keeps on giving.

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2014-03-16 10:06:04 PM  
 
2014-03-16 10:57:17 PM  

gfid: What gave Catherine the (cough) Great the right to take over it in the first place?


Her cavalry?
 
2014-03-16 11:10:22 PM  
So, when should I actually start getting worried?
 
2014-03-16 11:11:08 PM  

zimbomba63: TommyDeuce: zimbomba63: iron de havilland: iron de havilland: puffy999: This is actually a problem with leadership across the world.

Occasionally, guys spring up who NEED to be taken out. Putin needed to be taken out before he even made it into office.

Yeah, unfortunately he managed to entrench himself in the government of Russia before that happened.

We can all enjoy the schadenfreude of the idea that there is probably a Lavrentiy Beria close to him. Hopefully, Putin will reap what he has sown.

uber humper: If they stood up to Putin, with threats of attack, Putin would back down, be make a laughing stock at home, and forced out.

I wish that could happen, but there are too many European investments in Russia, particularly in terms of gas and all that.

The farkwit deserves to be knocked down a peg or two. I hope it happens, but it may not.

/And I'm quite aware of the irony of my posts in the Fred Phelps thread compared to my thoughts on Putin.
//People are complicated and hypocritical, aren't they?

Oh, and I forgot to mention:

something something land war in Asia something.

Gosh, what does Asia have to do with this?

Besides not putting out a good album since "Astra"?

Wait, you think that's what's causing the problem? Ukraine and Russia should have a "Battle of the Bands" for the Crimea.


Round 1 : Asia vs Europe

On deck : Japan and America
 
2014-03-16 11:12:12 PM  

ElPollotonto: So, when should I actually start getting worried?


Depends, you got money in the Russian Stock Market?

/If so, your answer is "over a week ago"
 
2014-03-16 11:39:19 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Why do we even care? About a million people will die in Africa, South America and Asia this year from insects, but we can give one shiat about that.


It's really sad that in a world with 6 billion people we can only solve one problem at a time and that any problem that isn't the worst problem must be ignored indefinitely until the worst problem is solved.   That's why I don't worry about my kid getting enough food to eat.  I mean sheesh.  It's not like he's got flies on him yet.   Until all the kids with flies on them in Africa are fed, how can I worry about my kid?
 
2014-03-16 11:58:01 PM  

JSTACAT: Wow, just wow..
There is enough Putin bashing going on in here that a stranger to the planet would think he is -your- president.

Did it ever occur to you that Mr. Putin is also a spokesman for -his- govt. and -his- govt is doing whatever it takes to keep the peace in their house?
Ukraine has some deep money problems, Add to that, the EU wants a piece of their action... a big one, incl a huge membership fee.
That's just one of the problems aggravating a population that is very hot headed by nature and by history.

Anyone here want to try to govern the CCCP?

EU would like to bring in the VAT, change their laws, force immigration changes in a nation far removed from their own lands. etc.

The US recently joined EU a lot deeper with tariff lifting... What will the US do when the contents of that sh*t sandwich are revealed?

A lot of the mystery would clarify itself by one little data point added.

CCCP is still the same corporation it used to be;
Just like AT&T is the same old Ma Bell, in different clothes.

Why is the US inc continually meddling in other nations' affairs?
Could it be that its just a power grab?
Check history, the answer is obvious.

Meanwhile, Mr Obama is -our- President... so why not blame him for all of it?
That would be unreasonable, childish...
How about we stop blaming someone else's president for everything,
its childish and unreasonable.

Meanwhile, the stock markets are going to nosedive... and other things will go wrong, then the rich will seize more from the underclass, in all the confusion.


9.5/10.  You actually had me for a minute there. Bravo!
 
2014-03-17 12:18:56 AM  

greentea1985: That's actually pretty close to how the US got Texas and Hawaii. In the case of Texas, Mexico invited immigrants from the fledgling US, who came in droves. Mexico felt over-whelmed, stopped immigration, and tried to strip away rights from the new arrivals, who kept on coming. The Texans rebelled and got their own country, then chose to join the US. In the case of Hawaii, US citizens started moving there in order to start plantations for a variety of products including sugarcane. The planters forced the King of Hawaii to sign an unfair constitution, then overthrew his successor when she tried to reduce the strength of the planters. The planters petitioned the US to make Hawaii a US territority and Hawaii eventually became a state.



Thank you for remembering how Hawaii came to be part of the US.  It was one of the most blatant abuses of an independent people in the service of "manifest destiny".

www.abebooks.com

^ "Unfamiliar Fishes" is a great book, by the way.
 
2014-03-17 01:46:18 AM  

JSTACAT: Wow, just wow..
There is enough Putin bashing going on in here that a stranger to the planet would think he is -your- president.

Did it ever occur to you that Mr. Putin is also a spokesman for -his- govt. and -his- govt is doing whatever it takes to keep the peace in their house?


Oh wow - no, that never occurred to me, not even when watching RT America.

It seems to me he is doing everything he can to insure there is no peace.  This will get nasty,


Ukraine has some deep money problems, Add to that, the EU wants a piece of their action... a big one, incl a huge membership fee.
That's just one of the problems aggravating a population that is very hot headed by nature and by history.

Anyone here want to try to govern the CCCP?


If Putin were here, he might raise his hand, but the Soviet Union is dead.  If and when Putin ever dies he will be the last of the KGB to ever have a hand in Russian politics.

EU would like to bring in the VAT, change their laws, force immigration changes in a nation far removed from their own lands. etc.

The US recently joined EU a lot deeper with tariff lifting... What will the US do when the contents of that sh*t sandwich are revealed?


The interesting thing about the relationship between the US and the EU is that we're 2 completely separate entities.  Okay, we have a lot of trade and the whole NATO thing, but economically?  I don't know how the EU would benefit or not from closer relations to Ukraine.  As a US citizen though, it really doesn't mean shiat to a tree.

It sort of sounds like Russia is telling Ukraine not to make friends with the EU because Putin said sol.

A lot of the mystery would clarify itself by one little data point added.

CCCP is still the same corporation it used to be;
Just like AT&T is the same old Ma Bell, in different clothes.

Why is the US inc continually meddling in other nations' affairs?
Could it be that its just a power grab?
Check history, the answer is obvious.

Meanwhile, Mr Obama is -our- President... so why not blame him for all of it?
That would be unreasonable, childish...
How about we stop blaming someone else's president for everything,
its childish and unreasonable.

Meanwhile, the stock markets are going to nosedive... and other things will go wrong, then the rich will seize more from the underclass, in all the confusion.
 
Esn
2014-03-17 09:46:18 AM  
I don't think anyone cares, but...
Here's the view from the other side (bonus: not from government journalists)

The view over there is so radically different from the view over here, there's very little common ground. Now you might say "those people are just influenced by propaganda", are you so sure? This is their backyard, after all. Many of them have relatives there who they can call. Maybe, just maybe, they understand what's going on better than you think.

The propaganda in the West has been thick and heavy as well.
 
2014-03-17 10:13:43 AM  

uber humper: EngineerAU: FormlessOne: Actually, China's largely stayed out of this conversation. They did, after all, abstain during the Security Council semaphore. China's more interested to see how this shakes out, especially as they have their own territorial turmoil with which to deal.

If China is playing the long game, they stand to gain since their population is booming while Russia's is declining. There are parts of Russia that are already majority ethnic Chinese. All they have to do is wait for Russia to continue to decline while the Chinese population grows inside Russia's borders.

China is facing a population bomb.  With the one child law for a couple/few generations they are reaching a point where there will be less than 2 workers per retiree in less than 20 years


It's the reason why they recently loosened the one-child only law.

Luckily the "one-kid only" wasn't a hard and fast rule across China, rural families on farms where allowed 3 kids and that's basically what is saving their asses now. The well-off and connected also where able to just pay the fines and have more kids.
 
2014-03-17 10:47:47 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: ornithopter: BigNumber12: geek_mars: As I understand it, Crimea is very dependent on Ukraine. Their land is desert-like and low on resources. They get something like 80% of their water and electricity from Ukraine, and it all comes in via that narrow bit that connects the peninsula to the mainland. So, Crimea joins the Russian Federation and Ukraine stops providing them with power and water since Crimea is no longer part of their nation. Crimea won't be able to afford to purchase water and power, so they'll turn to the Russian Federation.

The Russian Federation will have to negotiate terms to purchase or lease the power and water, and Ukraine can charge them outrageous sums for the water and power and maintenance on the pipes/lines and even the land that they run on. They can also demand concessions on Russian oil and gas, which they can then sell to Europe, beating Russia's price. Finally, because fark Putin, that's why, they can charge a hefty "you interfered with our sovereignty and stole Crimea" surcharge.

Until Russia completes replacement infrastructure across the Kerch Strait and promptly tells Ukraine to fark off with their demands.

The upside to all of this is that we may see a fancy new bridge in the world, hurriedly constructed.

A fancy new [anything], hurriedly constructed by Russia?

[www.ndtv.com image 360x270] [sharing.thedenverchannel.com image 640x450]

/would not trust my life to that bridge

[derpicdn.net image 850x478]


It needs to hurry. I have to make my IRA contribution by next month.
 
2014-03-17 11:54:37 AM  

Dangl1ng: And here's what just gets my goat:  We live in the "freest nation in the world." We have "the freedoms." And when pray tell do we farking vote? Tuesday. We make it as difficult as possible to get out and vote. If you work a nine to five, you either have to get to voting booth just as it opens or immediately after work.

The only reason I see that it makes any sense is tyranny of the wealthy. Make it easiest for the old and rich to vote, hardest for working poor. Scare the shiat out of the old, so that they vote Republican.


I work 9-5 and find it very easy to vote.  Maybe the problem is you.
 
2014-03-17 12:03:19 PM  

zamboni: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 246x205]
/hot, hot image
It's pretty sad when Kim Jong Un's election results are more of a surprise than this one. Other dictatorships at least attempt to appear legitimate, as laughable as they seem.

Well, Putin. You got your mandate with an election you staged. Annex away!


I'm surprised that it was 95.5% actually, but I gather either the Ukrainians boycotted it in higher numbers, or they actually want to leave the failed state that is Ukraine.

/if you're insinuating election fraud, you're out of touch.
 
2014-03-17 12:04:58 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: Why do we even care? About a million people will die in Africa, South America and Asia this year from insects, but we can give one shiat about that.


People are not only being told what to care about, but also what their opinion on the matter should be.
 
2014-03-17 12:10:10 PM  

spawn73: zamboni: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 246x205]
/hot, hot image
It's pretty sad when Kim Jong Un's election results are more of a surprise than this one. Other dictatorships at least attempt to appear legitimate, as laughable as they seem.

Well, Putin. You got your mandate with an election you staged. Annex away!

I'm surprised that it was 95.5% actually, but I gather either the Ukrainians boycotted it in higher numbers, or they actually want to leave the failed state that is Ukraine.

/if you're insinuating election fraud, you're out of touch.


Really?

How do you feel about it once you find out turn-out was over 80%?
 
2014-03-17 12:29:53 PM  

Ricardo Klement: spawn73: zamboni: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 246x205]
/hot, hot image
It's pretty sad when Kim Jong Un's election results are more of a surprise than this one. Other dictatorships at least attempt to appear legitimate, as laughable as they seem.

Well, Putin. You got your mandate with an election you staged. Annex away!

I'm surprised that it was 95.5% actually, but I gather either the Ukrainians boycotted it in higher numbers, or they actually want to leave the failed state that is Ukraine.

/if you're insinuating election fraud, you're out of touch.

Really?

How do you feel about it once you find out turn-out was over 80%?


The same. I'm slightly surprised that Ukrainians voted for ditching Ukraine, but not terrible so given how farked Ukraine is.

Even as they're propped up financially by the EU etc., I wonder how long that'll last if they continue on the road for failed state with their already failed democracy, headed for total anarchy with roaming nazis in the streets.
 
2014-03-17 12:33:54 PM  
Is there any evidence of election fraud?

I don't believe either side of this story, US or Russian.
 
2014-03-17 12:34:21 PM  

spawn73: Ricardo Klement: spawn73: zamboni: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 246x205]
/hot, hot image
It's pretty sad when Kim Jong Un's election results are more of a surprise than this one. Other dictatorships at least attempt to appear legitimate, as laughable as they seem.

Well, Putin. You got your mandate with an election you staged. Annex away!

I'm surprised that it was 95.5% actually, but I gather either the Ukrainians boycotted it in higher numbers, or they actually want to leave the failed state that is Ukraine.

/if you're insinuating election fraud, you're out of touch.

Really?

How do you feel about it once you find out turn-out was over 80%?

The same. I'm slightly surprised that Ukrainians voted for ditching Ukraine, but not terrible so given how farked Ukraine is.

Even as they're propped up financially by the EU etc., I wonder how long that'll last if they continue on the road for failed state with their already failed democracy, headed for total anarchy with roaming nazis in the streets.


Still a valid election, nothing to see here, if Russian soldiers were conducting exit polls?
 
2014-03-17 12:50:57 PM  

Ricardo Klement: spawn73: Ricardo Klement: spawn73: zamboni: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 246x205]
/hot, hot image
It's pretty sad when Kim Jong Un's election results are more of a surprise than this one. Other dictatorships at least attempt to appear legitimate, as laughable as they seem.

Well, Putin. You got your mandate with an election you staged. Annex away!

I'm surprised that it was 95.5% actually, but I gather either the Ukrainians boycotted it in higher numbers, or they actually want to leave the failed state that is Ukraine.

/if you're insinuating election fraud, you're out of touch.

Really?

How do you feel about it once you find out turn-out was over 80%?

The same. I'm slightly surprised that Ukrainians voted for ditching Ukraine, but not terrible so given how farked Ukraine is.

Even as they're propped up financially by the EU etc., I wonder how long that'll last if they continue on the road for failed state with their already failed democracy, headed for total anarchy with roaming nazis in the streets.

Still a valid election, nothing to see here, if Russian soldiers were conducting exit polls?


That shouldn't influence the results.

If armed soldiers are conducting exit polls, then that's a flaw in the methology. I wouldn't conduct them like that, and I have stood for 2 exits polls myself. When conducting the exit polls it would be important to seem impartial, because you'll just have people who refuse to answer you if they voted for something they assume is "wrong".

How that works out is that you have 95.5% of the people that answered being correct, but you're not accounting for people who refuse to answer because they dislike you. If you're strongly signaling that you're partual to one result, people who voted otherwise will overwelmingly not wish to speak to you.
 
2014-03-17 01:11:10 PM  

spawn73: Ricardo Klement: spawn73: Ricardo Klement: spawn73: zamboni: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 246x205]
/hot, hot image
It's pretty sad when Kim Jong Un's election results are more of a surprise than this one. Other dictatorships at least attempt to appear legitimate, as laughable as they seem.

Well, Putin. You got your mandate with an election you staged. Annex away!

I'm surprised that it was 95.5% actually, but I gather either the Ukrainians boycotted it in higher numbers, or they actually want to leave the failed state that is Ukraine.

/if you're insinuating election fraud, you're out of touch.

Really?

How do you feel about it once you find out turn-out was over 80%?

The same. I'm slightly surprised that Ukrainians voted for ditching Ukraine, but not terrible so given how farked Ukraine is.

Even as they're propped up financially by the EU etc., I wonder how long that'll last if they continue on the road for failed state with their already failed democracy, headed for total anarchy with roaming nazis in the streets.

Still a valid election, nothing to see here, if Russian soldiers were conducting exit polls?

That shouldn't influence the results.

If armed soldiers are conducting exit polls, then that's a flaw in the methology. I wouldn't conduct them like that, and I have stood for 2 exits polls myself. When conducting the exit polls it would be important to seem impartial, because you'll just have people who refuse to answer you if they voted for something they assume is "wrong".

How that works out is that you have 95.5% of the people that answered being correct, but you're not accounting for people who refuse to answer because they dislike you. If you're strongly signaling that you're partual to one result, people who voted otherwise will overwelmingly not wish to speak to you.


Or even show up at all, if it's armed Russians.

But, then, 80% showed up, right? And even though Tartars and Ukrainians make up over 40% of the population of Crimea, I'm sure that the vast majority of them still voted for union with Russia.
 
2014-03-17 01:22:32 PM  

Ricardo Klement: spawn73: Ricardo Klement: spawn73: Ricardo Klement: spawn73: zamboni: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 246x205]
/hot, hot image
It's pretty sad when Kim Jong Un's election results are more of a surprise than this one. Other dictatorships at least attempt to appear legitimate, as laughable as they seem.

Well, Putin. You got your mandate with an election you staged. Annex away!

I'm surprised that it was 95.5% actually, but I gather either the Ukrainians boycotted it in higher numbers, or they actually want to leave the failed state that is Ukraine.

/if you're insinuating election fraud, you're out of touch.

Really?

How do you feel about it once you find out turn-out was over 80%?

The same. I'm slightly surprised that Ukrainians voted for ditching Ukraine, but not terrible so given how farked Ukraine is.

Even as they're propped up financially by the EU etc., I wonder how long that'll last if they continue on the road for failed state with their already failed democracy, headed for total anarchy with roaming nazis in the streets.

Still a valid election, nothing to see here, if Russian soldiers were conducting exit polls?

That shouldn't influence the results.

If armed soldiers are conducting exit polls, then that's a flaw in the methology. I wouldn't conduct them like that, and I have stood for 2 exits polls myself. When conducting the exit polls it would be important to seem impartial, because you'll just have people who refuse to answer you if they voted for something they assume is "wrong".

How that works out is that you have 95.5% of the people that answered being correct, but you're not accounting for people who refuse to answer because they dislike you. If you're strongly signaling that you're partual to one result, people who voted otherwise will overwelmingly not wish to speak to you.

Or even show up at all, if it's armed Russians.

But, then, 80% showed up, right? And even though Tartars and Ukrainians make up over 40% of the population of Crimea, I ...



You won't do much good posting with Spawn.  I have him marked as a defender of slavery.  Seriously doubt Spawn will listen to reason, logic, common sense, etc.

This morning NPR was reporting some voters were using multiple ballots while the armed observers watched and did nothing.  That could just be the Western media making shiat up again, though.  We should see what RT has to say about the whole thing.  We can totally trust Russian news sources, since they're known for integrity.
 
2014-03-17 01:43:23 PM  

Esn: I don't think anyone cares, but...
Here's the view from the other side (bonus: not from government journalists)

The view over there is so radically different from the view over here, there's very little common ground. Now you might say "those people are just influenced by propaganda", are you so sure? This is their backyard, after all. Many of them have relatives there who they can call. Maybe, just maybe, they understand what's going on better than you think.

The propaganda in the West has been thick and heavy as well.


This is one of those times when being so close to the issue makes them FAR more biased, less able to analyze things objectively. Their leaders have whipped them up into a fine frenzy of nationalism, and it's their country that stands to gain directly by capturing Crimea. And the people they're "calling" are just as biased as they are.

Their Understanding what's going on doesn't make it any more legitimate or any less a conquest by forced demographic change and intimidation.
 
2014-03-17 01:55:19 PM  

Ricardo Klement: spawn73: Ricardo Klement: spawn73: Ricardo Klement: spawn73: zamboni: [encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com image 246x205]
/hot, hot image
It's pretty sad when Kim Jong Un's election results are more of a surprise than this one. Other dictatorships at least attempt to appear legitimate, as laughable as they seem.

Well, Putin. You got your mandate with an election you staged. Annex away!

I'm surprised that it was 95.5% actually, but I gather either the Ukrainians boycotted it in higher numbers, or they actually want to leave the failed state that is Ukraine.

/if you're insinuating election fraud, you're out of touch.

Really?

How do you feel about it once you find out turn-out was over 80%?

The same. I'm slightly surprised that Ukrainians voted for ditching Ukraine, but not terrible so given how farked Ukraine is.

Even as they're propped up financially by the EU etc., I wonder how long that'll last if they continue on the road for failed state with their already failed democracy, headed for total anarchy with roaming nazis in the streets.

Still a valid election, nothing to see here, if Russian soldiers were conducting exit polls?

That shouldn't influence the results.

If armed soldiers are conducting exit polls, then that's a flaw in the methology. I wouldn't conduct them like that, and I have stood for 2 exits polls myself. When conducting the exit polls it would be important to seem impartial, because you'll just have people who refuse to answer you if they voted for something they assume is "wrong".

How that works out is that you have 95.5% of the people that answered being correct, but you're not accounting for people who refuse to answer because they dislike you. If you're strongly signaling that you're partual to one result, people who voted otherwise will overwelmingly not wish to speak to you.

Or even show up at all, if it's armed Russians.

But, then, 80% showed up, right? And even though Tartars and Ukrainians make up over 40% of the population of Crimea, ...


Maybe we don't have an accurate view of what the alligiance of the Ukrainians are in Crimea. Myself I always wondered why it was accepted that Tartars disliked Russians, and for some reason loved Ukrainians.

Yeah, they had it rough under Stalin. But he's dead. The nazis are very much a thing though. Likely we're seeing that given the absense of a "lets join Tartarstan" option, they're choosing between a country that isn't completely farked up, and one that is (that's Ukraine in this context).
 
2014-03-17 03:11:24 PM  

spawn73: Maybe we don't have an accurate view of what the alligiance of the Ukrainians are in Crimea. Myself I always wondered why it was accepted that Tartars disliked Russians, and for some reason loved Ukrainians.

Yeah, they had it rough under Stalin. But he's dead. The nazis are very much a thing though. Likely we're seeing that given the absense of a "lets join Tartarstan" option, they're choosing between a country that isn't completely farked up, and one that is (that's Ukraine in this context).


Well, Russia just snubbed the voting results. Putin announced they're recognizing Crimea as an independent nation but not as part of Russia, rejecting the people's "sovereign voice."
 
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