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(Talking Points Memo)   The key to future GOP victory: Better ideas? Nah, fewer debates. Book it, done   (talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2014-03-16 05:37:52 PM  
4 votes:
They have a problem with candidates that are incapable of getting through ten minutes without questioning the legitimacy of rape or whether slavery was really that bad. I'd want to keep those numbskulls away from the mic, too.
2014-03-16 04:16:11 PM  
4 votes:
A closed mouth gathers no feet, I guess...
2014-03-16 05:06:14 PM  
3 votes:
Well no shiat, the more questions they get asked the more likely it is that they will actually answer one, and that would be devastating to their campaign.
2014-03-16 06:25:21 PM  
2 votes:
Am I the only one thinking that with fewer debates they will have to turn the derp way up? I'm thinking that if its 3 instead of say 10 there's only a few times for them to prove they're conservative enough, so they're going to out derp each other during the debate.

The first debate will go from Obamacare bad to bring back slavery before the 20 minute mark.
2014-03-16 04:11:45 PM  
2 votes:
Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.
2014-03-16 03:01:57 PM  
2 votes:
If your ideas suck, it really is best if you keep your damned mouth shut if you want any chance at victory.
2014-03-17 10:32:53 AM  
1 vote:
Republicans: Love the authoritarian Putin, hate voting, hate transparency, love controlling peoples lives, love spying, hate debates, hate dissent.

Republicans: The anti-democracy authoritarians of the west.
2014-03-17 08:28:53 AM  
1 vote:
The less people know about a candidate going into a general election, the better chance they have of winning.
2014-03-16 09:38:22 PM  
1 vote:
Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?
2014-03-16 07:07:09 PM  
1 vote:
The last debate the GOP thought favorably of:

abcnews.go.com
2014-03-16 06:37:44 PM  
1 vote:
Translation: We don't want America finding out our real policy positions; and the fact our candidates are a bunch of nut cases, better fit for psychological research studies in an institutional setting than being put in positions of power.
2014-03-16 06:05:29 PM  
1 vote:
Your best candidate floated to the top of a watery potato soup.  You should be happy about that.
2014-03-16 05:56:52 PM  
1 vote:
I can't help but wonder:  if we had fewer debates or otherwise overhauled the primary process in 2008, what do they think would have happened instead?  Herman Cain?  Newt Gingrich?  Michele Bachmann?

I think the primary process did an admirable job of filtering out the unelectable nutcases and choosing one of the few solid candidates.  The Republicans didn't lose because the primary process gave them Romney instead of Santorum.
2014-03-16 05:47:42 PM  
1 vote:

Mentat: Remember, the problem isn't the message, it's the messaging.


It's not the pizza, it's the box it comes in.
2014-03-16 05:44:33 PM  
1 vote:

propasaurus: Even better, why not just have one single photo line-up and be done with it. Cuz honestly, the less voters know about the GOP candidates the better chance they'll have.


Actually, you can make a pretty good argument that it was only the large number of debates they had that allowed their 'best' candidate to become the nominee.

It's easy to forget that most of the other losers were the leading candidate at various points and it took a small (but non-zero) amount of time for their insanity to be noticed, and for them to be dismissed as the leading candidate.

With a much smaller number of debates, whoever is 2016's equivalent of Herman Cain, could much more easily become the Republican nominee. Which is something I would heartily enjoy.
2014-03-16 05:44:02 PM  
1 vote:
The chairman also touted a key victory this week in a hard-fought Florida congressional race that is seen as a possible bellwether of November midterm election. Republican David Jolly defeated Democrat Alex Sink in a special election Tuesday that largely turned on President Barack Obama's health care law.

I don't know that's the lesson to take from that election.

2014: R 48.52, D 46.64
2012: R 57.57, D 42.43
2010: R 68.86, D 31.14
2008: R 55.43, D 37.42
2006: R 50.08, D 49.92

The 2014 election was the best showing the Democratic party has had for that district in eight years.  And it's a district they last held in 1983.  If anything, those results show that constantly biatching about Obamacare is the least effective strategy the Republicans have tried since Obama became President.
2014-03-16 05:29:53 PM  
1 vote:
Well, the more you expose Republicans to the public, the more unpopular they become in the general.
2014-03-16 05:24:08 PM  
1 vote:

Benevolent Misanthrope: They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.


Conventions and meetings held by groups of people who have differing ideas, theories, proposals and solutions tend to be more chaotic than those held by people who have more like minded ideologies and hive mind behavior. Fortunately, the "big tent" of ideas the democrats hold is actually their strength and not their weakness, like a variance of natural species in an ecosystem instead of a republican monoculture.

When a disease like the Tea Party invades the crop it can (and has) destroyed many of the good ideas and candidates in the republican party, while the fringe nutjobs with D's after their names don't infect the whole because they cannot get a grip on a large enough part of the electorate to ruin it. The R's put their nutjobs front and center, and their conventions are predictable.
2014-03-16 05:23:20 PM  
1 vote:
There is some real quality comment over at TPM

-The way we work over this poor boy's name ....it makes me wonder how he got thru school w/o being mentally scarred for life.

-Inarticulate? Ryan was worse than inarticulate. He gave us a Full Jindal.

-Aww, Gee wizz. Rinse Piebus is gonna be upset with you cuz you "pounced".

-Pounce Ribald shouldn't use words like "pounce" that sound like his name.

-Whaa! They're picking on us for our bullshiat!

-"They Hate Us For Our Derp!"

-i don't know about you, but i'm always waiting to pounce on racism.

-Paul Ryan the poverty warrior. If there's a soup kitchen anywhere in the country that has clean pots and pans that need an reenactment of what it must have looked like when they were actually cleaned, the poverty warrior will be there with film crew in tow to do his part in his lifelong fight against poverty.
2014-03-16 05:21:02 PM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: Notabunny: Notabunny: Carousel ofarkoos

I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Carousel ofarkoos", but I'm trying to keep my peppers-and-onions hot slaw from over-grilling, so, yeah.

Oh filter. Never change.


Carousel. Of. Cuckoos. Dammit. So. Much.
2014-03-16 05:20:59 PM  
1 vote:
Never happen. The candidates need to be willing to limit their exposure for the greater good of the party. Do you think that will happen? Why would the other candidates solidify behind a front runner when the whole lesson of the last Republican primary season was that the front runner inevitably gets into trouble as the media starts sorting through the skeletons in his closet? If you were not a schmuck you wouldn't be a member of the Republican Party and if you weren't a self-centered egotistical schmuck you wouldn't be running for the nomination. The likelihood of also-ran candidates stepping back gracefully once a front runner is anointed are zero to nil.
2014-03-16 05:13:56 PM  
1 vote:

Notabunny: Mike_LowELL, you ignorant slut. Most low-information voters aren't interested in the marketplace of ideas, and are instead content with single-provider ideology.


Conservatives, by the very definition of the word, are open to other ideas.  Some conservatives think abortions should lead to jail time.  Some conservatives think abortion doctors should be killed.  How is this not a diversity of ideas?

Herman Borrach: That's beautiful. I think I have witnessed enough Fark perfection for on day. I'm going outside.


This is the only correct reply.
2014-03-16 05:12:12 PM  
1 vote:

Notabunny: Notabunny: Carousel ofarkoos

I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Carousel ofarkoos", but I'm trying to keep my peppers-and-onions hot slaw from over-grilling, so, yeah.


Oh filter. Never change.
2014-03-16 05:05:57 PM  
1 vote:
In other words, "Don't let the rubes find out how much we want to exterminate them and take everything for ourselves".
2014-03-16 05:04:24 PM  
1 vote:
"and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

So basically, questions will run the gamut from "While in office, how would you demonstrate how much you love Jesus?" all the way to "How will you try to emulate Ronald Reagan while in office?"
2014-03-16 05:03:11 PM  
1 vote:
Never, never, NEVER underestimate the power of human stupidity.  Our next president will be a Tea Party Republican.  Book it, done.
2014-03-16 05:00:22 PM  
1 vote:
Less debates. Only "friendly" moderators. Tighter message control for the masses.

Basically turning the debate format into even more of a joke than it is already

At least Reince has figured out that bad things happen when Republicans run their mouths.
2014-03-16 04:57:43 PM  
1 vote:
Remember, the problem isn't the message, it's the messaging.
2014-03-16 04:56:21 PM  
1 vote:
Maybe it's not the Traveling Circus of Debates; it's the Clowncar of Candidates.
2014-03-16 04:31:33 PM  
1 vote:
There only needs to be one debate, with challenges three:

1) Paint your favorite John McNaughton mural from memory
2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history
3) Who can scream the Pledge of Allegiance the loudest?
2014-03-16 04:08:46 PM  
1 vote:

Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.


What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.
2014-03-16 04:07:28 PM  
1 vote:
"I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

And pre-select the winners.
2014-03-16 04:07:05 PM  
1 vote:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Thunderderp

/only one candidate leaves


I laughed harder than I should have at that.
2014-03-16 03:47:21 PM  
1 vote:
Notabunny:
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That image reminds me of this one:

img2.wikia.nocookie.net
Does that mean the GOP Primaries will be a fight to the death from now on? Becuase I'd tune in for that.
2014-03-16 03:28:56 PM  
1 vote:
Even better, why not just have one single photo line-up and be done with it. Cuz honestly, the less voters know about the GOP candidates the better chance they'll have.
2014-03-16 03:25:06 PM  
1 vote:

Because People in power are Stupid: As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.


Why not both?

They're talking about the primaries, and frankly they have a point.  When your party is built on anti-intellectualism and preying on fear and emotion, extra debates are pretty-much useless.  You need just enough to get the talking points out there in the news, fire up the few members of the base who think they're "the smart ones" because they watch debates, and create sound bites.  After that, have the Convention, pay the delegates, declare your candidate and move on.

They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.
 
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