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2014-03-16 05:29:53 PM  
Well, the more you expose Republicans to the public, the more unpopular they become in the general.
 
2014-03-16 05:31:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because People in power are Stupid: As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.

Why not both?

They're talking about the primaries, and frankly they have a point.  When your party is built on anti-intellectualism and preying on fear and emotion, extra debates are pretty-much useless.  You need just enough to get the talking points out there in the news, fire up the few members of the base who think they're "the smart ones" because they watch debates, and create sound bites.  After that, have the Convention, pay the delegates, declare your candidate and move on.

They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.

Um. You didn't watch the two conventions in 2012 did you? Either that or you're talking about what the GOP faithful think.


OK - traditionally looks like a three-ring circus.
 
2014-03-16 05:34:03 PM  
The more debates they have, the bigger the chance they give away the fact they hate everyone outside their party in a non-subtle way.
 
2014-03-16 05:34:11 PM  
"I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party,"

And you think less debates in the future is going to make Republicans look less insane?


TOO LATE!



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2014-03-16 05:36:38 PM  
I almost respect Republican politicians, just for their indomitable will.

FTFA: Republicans are trying to catch up to the high-tech operations that Democrats used to elect Obama in both 2008 and 2012. Priebus said the GOP has an office in the San Francisco Bay Area city of San Mateo that is building a $35 million data platform to help candidates.

Now, presumably this is to help them distribute their message. You know, the one they keep saying needs a change in how it's delivered but doesn't itself need to be changed. I understand not wanting to change your positions/platforms/beliefs, but to spend thirty-five million to keep trying not to is a serious commitment and really shows the kind of determination that would be admirable if it were applied to almost anything else. I wonder what they'll convince themselves of when this doesn't turn out to be the magic wand that wins over the minority vote.
 
2014-03-16 05:37:52 PM  
They have a problem with candidates that are incapable of getting through ten minutes without questioning the legitimacy of rape or whether slavery was really that bad. I'd want to keep those numbskulls away from the mic, too.
 
2014-03-16 05:40:06 PM  

geek_mars: I wonder what they'll convince themselves of when this doesn't turn out to be the magic wand that wins over the minority vote.


They just weren't. Conservative. Enough.
 
2014-03-16 05:42:06 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.


*chortle*
 
2014-03-16 05:44:02 PM  
The chairman also touted a key victory this week in a hard-fought Florida congressional race that is seen as a possible bellwether of November midterm election. Republican David Jolly defeated Democrat Alex Sink in a special election Tuesday that largely turned on President Barack Obama's health care law.

I don't know that's the lesson to take from that election.

2014: R 48.52, D 46.64
2012: R 57.57, D 42.43
2010: R 68.86, D 31.14
2008: R 55.43, D 37.42
2006: R 50.08, D 49.92

The 2014 election was the best showing the Democratic party has had for that district in eight years.  And it's a district they last held in 1983.  If anything, those results show that constantly biatching about Obamacare is the least effective strategy the Republicans have tried since Obama became President.
 
2014-03-16 05:44:15 PM  
Notabunny

thanks for the opening,I hoped to be able to use this one more time

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2014-03-16 05:44:33 PM  

propasaurus: Even better, why not just have one single photo line-up and be done with it. Cuz honestly, the less voters know about the GOP candidates the better chance they'll have.


Actually, you can make a pretty good argument that it was only the large number of debates they had that allowed their 'best' candidate to become the nominee.

It's easy to forget that most of the other losers were the leading candidate at various points and it took a small (but non-zero) amount of time for their insanity to be noticed, and for them to be dismissed as the leading candidate.

With a much smaller number of debates, whoever is 2016's equivalent of Herman Cain, could much more easily become the Republican nominee. Which is something I would heartily enjoy.
 
2014-03-16 05:44:56 PM  

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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He's right of course. Well, not "of course" but "surprisingly." Fewer debates = fewer embarrassing opportunities for unfortunate soundbites. I'm sure they'll make up for it somehow, though. It's what they do. They can't help themselves.

Whatever you do, don't fashion any drinking games with them around the word "rape" -- you'll kill yourself.
 
2014-03-16 05:45:15 PM  
Talk about denial.

The establishment candidate won in 2008 and 2012, so it's not that the wrong people are being nominated because of the process.
 
2014-03-16 05:46:43 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: 2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history



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2014-03-16 05:47:42 PM  

Mentat: Remember, the problem isn't the message, it's the messaging.


It's not the pizza, it's the box it comes in.
 
2014-03-16 05:49:09 PM  

a particular individual: "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

And pre-select the winners.




The greatest threat to American liberty is apparently moderators who pitch softballs at a skill level above t-ball.
 
2014-03-16 05:54:51 PM  

Notabunny: WhyteRaven74: Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.

Ron Paul is my favorite wingnut whackadoo. He's so sincere. But the poor guy always looks like he's just stepped out of a Good Will dressing room.


No RON PAUL is a Salvation Army man not Goodwill
 
2014-03-16 05:56:42 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.


you are going to be real impressed this time around
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2014-03-16 05:56:52 PM  
I can't help but wonder:  if we had fewer debates or otherwise overhauled the primary process in 2008, what do they think would have happened instead?  Herman Cain?  Newt Gingrich?  Michele Bachmann?

I think the primary process did an admirable job of filtering out the unelectable nutcases and choosing one of the few solid candidates.  The Republicans didn't lose because the primary process gave them Romney instead of Santorum.
 
2014-03-16 06:05:29 PM  
Your best candidate floated to the top of a watery potato soup.  You should be happy about that.
 
2014-03-16 06:08:06 PM  

Xcott: I think the primary process did an admirable job of filtering out the unelectable nutcases and choosing one of the few solid candidates. The Republicans didn't lose because the primary process gave them Romney instead of Santorum.


The large number of debates helped with that, as it gave each candidate the chance to say something exceedingly stupid or simple self-destruct (in the case of Rick Perry).
 
2014-03-16 06:09:02 PM  
Someone finally put it together that if you spend less time in front of a camera there is less change of them catching you saying crazy shiat.
 
2014-03-16 06:21:12 PM  

Truffle Kerfuffle: The more debates they have, the bigger the chance they give away the fact they hate everyone outside their party in a non-subtle way.


Outside? Come one they hate a lot of people who are in their party.
 
2014-03-16 06:25:21 PM  
Am I the only one thinking that with fewer debates they will have to turn the derp way up? I'm thinking that if its 3 instead of say 10 there's only a few times for them to prove they're conservative enough, so they're going to out derp each other during the debate.

The first debate will go from Obamacare bad to bring back slavery before the 20 minute mark.
 
2014-03-16 06:29:32 PM  
Maybe they should just pray more?
 
2014-03-16 06:32:17 PM  

rewind2846: Benevolent Misanthrope: They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.

Conventions and meetings held by groups of people who have differing ideas, theories, proposals and solutions tend to be more chaotic than those held by people who have more like minded ideologies and hive mind behavior. Fortunately, the "big tent" of ideas the democrats hold is actually their strength and not their weakness, like a variance of natural species in an ecosystem instead of a republican monoculture.

When a disease like the Tea Party invades the crop it can (and has) destroyed many of the good ideas and candidates in the republican party, while the fringe nutjobs with D's after their names don't infect the whole because they cannot get a grip on a large enough part of the electorate to ruin it. The R's put their nutjobs front and center, and their conventions are predictable.


Agreed, but the general populace doesn't tend to think that much about it.
 
2014-03-16 06:37:44 PM  
Translation: We don't want America finding out our real policy positions; and the fact our candidates are a bunch of nut cases, better fit for psychological research studies in an institutional setting than being put in positions of power.
 
2014-03-16 07:07:09 PM  
The last debate the GOP thought favorably of:

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2014-03-16 07:15:04 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.

The general population watched the repub convention before the last election in silent horror though. They were pitiful precisely BECAUSE it was nothing more than a badly scripted advert. The democratic convention was seen a a triumph.
 
2014-03-16 07:27:23 PM  
Remember that no one fights this hard to get a job where all they do is help other people.
 
2014-03-16 07:28:28 PM  

Mugato: Old senile white people in church buses are the only people who vote. It's a wonder how the republicans don't sweep every election.


The fact that they do sorta contradicts this point. I'm all for elevating intellectualism, but can we pretend that we here, commenting uselessly on a political news aggregate site are somehow "above it all" and "making a difference."
 
2014-03-16 07:31:38 PM  
They just need someone to ensure their hair is strong.

But not too strong.
 
2014-03-16 07:35:16 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Less debates? That will surely result in a downturn in the number of Colonial Cosplay outfits for Teabaggers to rent.

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Green reminds me more of Hessians, than Minutemen.
 
2014-03-16 07:48:24 PM  
I think they should go to zero debates and just pocket the Koch-money.
 
2014-03-16 08:35:58 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There only needs to be one debate, with challenges three:

1) Paint your favorite John McNaughton mural from memory
2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history
3) Who can scream the Pledge of Allegiance the loudest?


Holy shiat, that was amazing. Kudos.
 
2014-03-16 08:46:40 PM  
I say just pick Trump and go full steam ahead.
 
2014-03-16 09:12:34 PM  
I think every Republican primary debate should include a round of "gay chicken".
 
2014-03-16 09:38:22 PM  
Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?
 
2014-03-16 09:49:25 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?


Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

The fewer debates is bad enough, but the picking of moderators is asinine.

/Bring back the League of Women Voters
 
2014-03-16 10:09:22 PM  

EJ25T: Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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I think the Republican party's issues can be summed up in that picture alone.

The only person up there reasoned, moderate, and intelligent enough to actually manage the office of President is all the way to the right of the stage, with the most physical distance between himself and any other candidate.


It also clarifies why they want less debates.  Fully half of them were just in it for the money, and only 3 were remotely viable to the Republican Establishment.

The rest were there as money-grubbers, strange sociopolitical experiments, idiotically hopeless causes, or a combination of the three.
 
2014-03-16 10:36:46 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There only needs to be one debate, with challenges three:

1) Paint your favorite John McNaughton mural from memory
2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history
3) Who can scream the Pledge of Allegiance the loudest?


I call foul on number 2.   No matter what the topic, interpretive dance is an undeniably liberal pursuit.  The only way to win this challenge is to refuse to participate.
 
2014-03-16 10:52:49 PM  

geek_mars: I almost respect Republican politicians, just for their indomitable will.

FTFA: Republicans are trying to catch up to the high-tech operations that Democrats used to elect Obama in both 2008 and 2012. Priebus said the GOP has an office in the San Francisco Bay Area city of San Mateo that is building a $35 million data platform to help candidates.

Now, presumably this is to help them distribute their message. You know, the one they keep saying needs a change in how it's delivered but doesn't itself need to be changed. I understand not wanting to change your positions/platforms/beliefs, but to spend thirty-five million to keep trying not to is a serious commitment and really shows the kind of determination that would be admirable if it were applied to almost anything else. I wonder what they'll convince themselves of when this doesn't turn out to be the magic wand that wins over the minority vote.


THIS
But they are correct in theory.
Shouldnt every candidate have access to that expensive and high powered database and machinery?!!
Unless they are only talking about the general election!!

But seriously.
The next step for the DEMS, which would BLINDSIDE the GOP, would be for the DNC to provide equally to all DEM candidates access to the massive Obama databases.

Rather than each candidate spending millions to replicate the data, they could spend their money on content and message, getting the best candidates, not the richest ones.

LOL
Nah, that will never happen.
BUT if the DNC were smart, they could destroy the GOP without the GOP having a clue what was coming.
 
2014-03-16 10:57:08 PM  

Xcott: I can't help but wonder:  if we had fewer debates or otherwise overhauled the primary process in 2008, what do they think would have happened instead?  Herman Cain?  Newt Gingrich?  Michele Bachmann?

I think the primary process did an admirable job of filtering out the unelectable nutcases and choosing one of the few solid candidates.  The Republicans didn't lose because the primary process gave them Romney instead of Santorum.


Truth
Look at what happened during the Primary Season.
One turd after another floated to the top of the bowl, only to drop out once they got much sunlight and burned out.

They got the last turd in the bowl.

Go a step further.
None of those once forerunners conceded and threw their support behind another candidate.
They all suspended their campaign, in HOPES that everyone else would blow up and they could step back in.

LOL
 
2014-03-16 11:00:49 PM  
So, they'd prefer to risk a party fission to everyone finding out how bad the last dunderhead standing is?
 
2014-03-16 11:09:39 PM  

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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So, what I take from that photo is tall guys do better with the GOP.  They should just stick with that.  It's their only legit tactic.
 
2014-03-17 01:24:35 AM  

SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?



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2014-03-17 01:30:19 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Notabunny: Mike_LowELL, you ignorant slut. Most low-information voters aren't interested in the marketplace of ideas, and are instead content with single-provider ideology.

Conservatives, by the very definition of the word, are open to other ideas.  Some conservatives think abortions should lead to jail time.  Some conservatives think abortion doctors should be killed.  How is this not a diversity of ideas?

Herman Borrach: That's beautiful. I think I have witnessed enough Fark perfection for on day. I'm going outside.

This is the only correct reply.


WTF... that is as asinine as your "free market" with all the billions given to big buisness, big Pharma; not to mention, big Ag.
 
2014-03-17 02:05:00 AM  

whidbey: SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

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It's like you have a beeper that alerts you whenever I mention him in a thread, lmao.

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Check it out again though, they did end up cheering, but that had to be embarrassing (as if the RNC cares):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-US_dF58Rw
 
2014-03-17 02:30:49 AM  

SpacePirate: whidbey: SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

[www.quickmeme.com image 625x468]

It's like you have a beeper that alerts you whenever I mention him in a thread, lmao.

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Check it out again though, they did end up cheering, but that had to be embarrassing (as if the RNC cares):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-US_dF58Rw


I'm sure.

It's just good Fark Entertainment™ (for now, anyway) to watch you praise RON PAUL in a thread and then attempt to backpedal when called on it. NO U.

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2014-03-17 02:42:50 AM  

whidbey: SpacePirate: whidbey: SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

[www.quickmeme.com image 625x468]

It's like you have a beeper that alerts you whenever I mention him in a thread, lmao.

[img.fark.net image 445x513]

Check it out again though, they did end up cheering, but that had to be embarrassing (as if the RNC cares):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-US_dF58Rw

I'm sure.

It's just good Fark Entertainment™ (for now, anyway) to watch you praise RON PAUL in a thread and then attempt to backpedal when called on it. NO U.

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I'm allowed to think the man has some good points that need to be heard, I don't have to agree with everything he says to bring him up. Dude's still relevant to the national conversation.

Show me some actual anti-war, pro civil liberty lefties, and maybe we can find some pictures of them and cover them with appropriate meme text.

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/it's a start
//I'm too easy to troll
 
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