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2014-03-16 02:40:50 PM  
As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.
 
2014-03-16 03:01:57 PM  
If your ideas suck, it really is best if you keep your damned mouth shut if you want any chance at victory.
 
2014-03-16 03:25:06 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.


Why not both?

They're talking about the primaries, and frankly they have a point.  When your party is built on anti-intellectualism and preying on fear and emotion, extra debates are pretty-much useless.  You need just enough to get the talking points out there in the news, fire up the few members of the base who think they're "the smart ones" because they watch debates, and create sound bites.  After that, have the Convention, pay the delegates, declare your candidate and move on.

They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.
 
2014-03-16 03:28:56 PM  
Even better, why not just have one single photo line-up and be done with it. Cuz honestly, the less voters know about the GOP candidates the better chance they'll have.
 
2014-03-16 03:29:41 PM  
It's pretty evident that given enough time, any political candidate will eventually put his foot in his mouth. In recent history, the definition of "enough time" for the Republicans is a lot shorter than for the Democrats. Ergo, a viable Republican strategy should be to limit the amount of time their candidates spend in front of open microphones.
 
2014-03-16 03:44:15 PM  
fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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2014-03-16 03:46:53 PM  
Or maybe they should find some good candidates. They run out any of the decent ones they have calling them RINO's. Maybe they will unhitch the crazy train they created like they said they should do. Hell, the establishment republicans look sane in comparison the the Teahadists.
 
2014-03-16 03:47:21 PM  
Notabunny:
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That image reminds me of this one:

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Does that mean the GOP Primaries will be a fight to the death from now on? Becuase I'd tune in for that.
 
2014-03-16 03:50:31 PM  
Old senile white people in church buses are the only people who vote. It's a wonder how the republicans don't sweep every election.
 
2014-03-16 03:51:58 PM  
One debate per candidate

/10 candidates = 10 debates
//equal opportunity for a leather lunch
 
2014-03-16 03:52:04 PM  

Gig103: Does that mean the GOP Primaries will be a fight to the death from now on? Becuase I'd tune in for that.


A GOP pon farr? A gop farr? Yeah, I'd host a ppv party for that. I hope they're on Saturdays, because there's no way I'll be able to drive the next morning.
 
2014-03-16 03:59:37 PM  

Notabunny: Gig103: Does that mean the GOP Primaries will be a fight to the death from now on? Becuase I'd tune in for that.

A GOP pon farr? A gop farr? Yeah, I'd host a ppv party for that. I hope they're on Saturdays, because there's no way I'll be able to drive the next morning.


Thunderderp

/only one candidate leaves
 
2014-03-16 04:07:05 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Thunderderp

/only one candidate leaves


I laughed harder than I should have at that.
 
2014-03-16 04:07:28 PM  
"I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

And pre-select the winners.
 
2014-03-16 04:08:46 PM  

Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.


What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.
 
2014-03-16 04:11:18 PM  
He's actually correct on this one. Having 35 bazillion debates last time just made the party look petty and unfocused, especially since there was never the slightest question that they wouldn't nominate Romney in the end. If they had spent less time bickering and more time coalescing their resources, Romney would likely have lost by 1 or 2 points instead of three, and might have gotten 250ish EV instead of 206.

If they only have a few debates this time, and coalesce quickly around Christie, they'll have more time to smear Hilary and spread as much disinformation and outright lies as possible. Hell, they might even gain 2 swing states, instead of just one. They'll still lose hard of course - demographics, they are a biatch - but he'll probably get even more of the aging white vote than Romney did.
 
2014-03-16 04:11:45 PM  
Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.
 
2014-03-16 04:14:02 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.


Ron Paul is my favorite wingnut whackadoo. He's so sincere. But the poor guy always looks like he's just stepped out of a Good Will dressing room.
 
2014-03-16 04:16:11 PM  
A closed mouth gathers no feet, I guess...
 
2014-03-16 04:19:31 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.


Mike_LowELL, you ignorant slut. Most low-information voters aren't interested in the marketplace of ideas, and are instead content with single-provider ideology.
 
2014-03-16 04:31:01 PM  
I don't see any way this new plan could backfire.

Nice of him to acknowledge that last year's debates were a traveling circus, though.
 
2014-03-16 04:31:33 PM  
There only needs to be one debate, with challenges three:

1) Paint your favorite John McNaughton mural from memory
2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history
3) Who can scream the Pledge of Allegiance the loudest?
 
2014-03-16 04:31:52 PM  

Notabunny: But the poor guy always looks like he's just stepped out of a Good Will dressing room


Yep.
 
2014-03-16 04:54:22 PM  

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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dear god i really hope that wasn't the best they had, just the ones nuts enough to run.
 
2014-03-16 04:56:21 PM  
Maybe it's not the Traveling Circus of Debates; it's the Clowncar of Candidates.
 
2014-03-16 04:57:43 PM  
Remember, the problem isn't the message, it's the messaging.
 
2014-03-16 04:58:40 PM  
One key to victory might be fewer debates without Candy Crowley.
 
2014-03-16 05:00:22 PM  
Less debates. Only "friendly" moderators. Tighter message control for the masses.

Basically turning the debate format into even more of a joke than it is already

At least Reince has figured out that bad things happen when Republicans run their mouths.
 
2014-03-16 05:01:10 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.


That's beautiful. I think I have witnessed enough Fark perfection for on day. I'm going outside.
 
2014-03-16 05:02:14 PM  

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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I think the Republican party's issues can be summed up in that picture alone.

The only person up there reasoned, moderate, and intelligent enough to actually manage the office of President is all the way to the right of the stage, with the most physical distance between himself and any other candidate.
 
2014-03-16 05:03:11 PM  
Never, never, NEVER underestimate the power of human stupidity.  Our next president will be a Tea Party Republican.  Book it, done.
 
2014-03-16 05:03:48 PM  

Fart_Machine: Maybe it's not the Traveling Circus of Debates; it's the Clowncar of Candidates.


Bumper Cars of Bombast

Carousel ofarkoos

Gravitron of Goofiness

Waterslide of Wingnuts

Teacups of Teabaggers
 
2014-03-16 05:04:24 PM  
"and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

So basically, questions will run the gamut from "While in office, how would you demonstrate how much you love Jesus?" all the way to "How will you try to emulate Ronald Reagan while in office?"
 
2014-03-16 05:05:57 PM  
In other words, "Don't let the rubes find out how much we want to exterminate them and take everything for ourselves".
 
2014-03-16 05:06:14 PM  
Well no shiat, the more questions they get asked the more likely it is that they will actually answer one, and that would be devastating to their campaign.
 
2014-03-16 05:06:38 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Because People in power are Stupid: As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.

Why not both?

They're talking about the primaries, and frankly they have a point.  When your party is built on anti-intellectualism and preying on fear and emotion, extra debates are pretty-much useless.  You need just enough to get the talking points out there in the news, fire up the few members of the base who think they're "the smart ones" because they watch debates, and create sound bites.  After that, have the Convention, pay the delegates, declare your candidate and move on.

They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.


Um. You didn't watch the two conventions in 2012 did you? Either that or you're talking about what the GOP faithful think.
 
2014-03-16 05:08:01 PM  
Less debates? That will surely result in a downturn in the number of Colonial Cosplay outfits for Teabaggers to rent.

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2014-03-16 05:08:30 PM  
So much for that "any publicity is good" canard. I expect the moderator selection idea will help make for some truly exciting, must see, debates.

"Who here hates Obama?"
 
2014-03-16 05:08:54 PM  

unyon: If your ideas suck, it really is best if you keep your damned mouth shut if you want any chance at victory.


Well, assuming you've preemptively ruled out coming up with ideas that don't suck.  Which the GOP has, of course.
 
2014-03-16 05:09:46 PM  

Notabunny: Carousel ofarkoos


I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Carousel ofarkoos", but I'm trying to keep my peppers-and-onions hot slaw from over-grilling, so, yeah.
 
2014-03-16 05:12:12 PM  

Notabunny: Notabunny: Carousel ofarkoos

I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Carousel ofarkoos", but I'm trying to keep my peppers-and-onions hot slaw from over-grilling, so, yeah.


Oh filter. Never change.
 
2014-03-16 05:13:56 PM  

Notabunny: Mike_LowELL, you ignorant slut. Most low-information voters aren't interested in the marketplace of ideas, and are instead content with single-provider ideology.


Conservatives, by the very definition of the word, are open to other ideas.  Some conservatives think abortions should lead to jail time.  Some conservatives think abortion doctors should be killed.  How is this not a diversity of ideas?

Herman Borrach: That's beautiful. I think I have witnessed enough Fark perfection for on day. I'm going outside.


This is the only correct reply.
 
2014-03-16 05:14:50 PM  

Notabunny: Fart_Machine: Maybe it's not the Traveling Circus of Debates; it's the Clowncar of Candidates.

Bumper Cars of Bombast

Carousel ofarkoos

Gravitron of Goofiness

Waterslide of Wingnuts

Teacups of Teabaggers


Ring of Retards
 
2014-03-16 05:20:59 PM  
Never happen. The candidates need to be willing to limit their exposure for the greater good of the party. Do you think that will happen? Why would the other candidates solidify behind a front runner when the whole lesson of the last Republican primary season was that the front runner inevitably gets into trouble as the media starts sorting through the skeletons in his closet? If you were not a schmuck you wouldn't be a member of the Republican Party and if you weren't a self-centered egotistical schmuck you wouldn't be running for the nomination. The likelihood of also-ran candidates stepping back gracefully once a front runner is anointed are zero to nil.
 
2014-03-16 05:21:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Notabunny: Notabunny: Carousel ofarkoos

I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Carousel ofarkoos", but I'm trying to keep my peppers-and-onions hot slaw from over-grilling, so, yeah.

Oh filter. Never change.


Carousel. Of. Cuckoos. Dammit. So. Much.
 
2014-03-16 05:21:53 PM  
Less debates and "they" will choose the moderators. So basically a talking point circle jerk. Book it. Done.
 
2014-03-16 05:23:20 PM  
There is some real quality comment over at TPM

-The way we work over this poor boy's name ....it makes me wonder how he got thru school w/o being mentally scarred for life.

-Inarticulate? Ryan was worse than inarticulate. He gave us a Full Jindal.

-Aww, Gee wizz. Rinse Piebus is gonna be upset with you cuz you "pounced".

-Pounce Ribald shouldn't use words like "pounce" that sound like his name.

-Whaa! They're picking on us for our bullshiat!

-"They Hate Us For Our Derp!"

-i don't know about you, but i'm always waiting to pounce on racism.

-Paul Ryan the poverty warrior. If there's a soup kitchen anywhere in the country that has clean pots and pans that need an reenactment of what it must have looked like when they were actually cleaned, the poverty warrior will be there with film crew in tow to do his part in his lifelong fight against poverty.
 
2014-03-16 05:24:08 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.


Conventions and meetings held by groups of people who have differing ideas, theories, proposals and solutions tend to be more chaotic than those held by people who have more like minded ideologies and hive mind behavior. Fortunately, the "big tent" of ideas the democrats hold is actually their strength and not their weakness, like a variance of natural species in an ecosystem instead of a republican monoculture.

When a disease like the Tea Party invades the crop it can (and has) destroyed many of the good ideas and candidates in the republican party, while the fringe nutjobs with D's after their names don't infect the whole because they cannot get a grip on a large enough part of the electorate to ruin it. The R's put their nutjobs front and center, and their conventions are predictable.
 
2014-03-16 05:25:57 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: One key to victory might be fewer debates without Candy Crowley.


That wasn't a Republican debate. That was a presidential debate between the two nominees.

red5ish: Less debates and "they" will choose the moderators. So basically a talking point circle jerk. Book it. Done.


Yep. Aired on Faux News to boot, no doubt. Is it a debate if all the participants are saying the same thing?
 
2014-03-16 05:27:09 PM  
Priebus said shortening the primary process by moving up the national convention at which the nominee is typically selected to June and cutting the number of debates are "not an establishment takeover. This is using your brain. Everything's not a conspiracy."

LULZ!
 
2014-03-16 05:29:53 PM  
Well, the more you expose Republicans to the public, the more unpopular they become in the general.
 
2014-03-16 05:31:46 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Benevolent Misanthrope: Because People in power are Stupid: As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.

Why not both?

They're talking about the primaries, and frankly they have a point.  When your party is built on anti-intellectualism and preying on fear and emotion, extra debates are pretty-much useless.  You need just enough to get the talking points out there in the news, fire up the few members of the base who think they're "the smart ones" because they watch debates, and create sound bites.  After that, have the Convention, pay the delegates, declare your candidate and move on.

They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.

Um. You didn't watch the two conventions in 2012 did you? Either that or you're talking about what the GOP faithful think.


OK - traditionally looks like a three-ring circus.
 
2014-03-16 05:34:03 PM  
The more debates they have, the bigger the chance they give away the fact they hate everyone outside their party in a non-subtle way.
 
2014-03-16 05:34:11 PM  
"I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party,"

And you think less debates in the future is going to make Republicans look less insane?


TOO LATE!



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2014-03-16 05:36:38 PM  
I almost respect Republican politicians, just for their indomitable will.

FTFA: Republicans are trying to catch up to the high-tech operations that Democrats used to elect Obama in both 2008 and 2012. Priebus said the GOP has an office in the San Francisco Bay Area city of San Mateo that is building a $35 million data platform to help candidates.

Now, presumably this is to help them distribute their message. You know, the one they keep saying needs a change in how it's delivered but doesn't itself need to be changed. I understand not wanting to change your positions/platforms/beliefs, but to spend thirty-five million to keep trying not to is a serious commitment and really shows the kind of determination that would be admirable if it were applied to almost anything else. I wonder what they'll convince themselves of when this doesn't turn out to be the magic wand that wins over the minority vote.
 
2014-03-16 05:37:52 PM  
They have a problem with candidates that are incapable of getting through ten minutes without questioning the legitimacy of rape or whether slavery was really that bad. I'd want to keep those numbskulls away from the mic, too.
 
2014-03-16 05:40:06 PM  

geek_mars: I wonder what they'll convince themselves of when this doesn't turn out to be the magic wand that wins over the minority vote.


They just weren't. Conservative. Enough.
 
2014-03-16 05:42:06 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.


*chortle*
 
2014-03-16 05:44:02 PM  
The chairman also touted a key victory this week in a hard-fought Florida congressional race that is seen as a possible bellwether of November midterm election. Republican David Jolly defeated Democrat Alex Sink in a special election Tuesday that largely turned on President Barack Obama's health care law.

I don't know that's the lesson to take from that election.

2014: R 48.52, D 46.64
2012: R 57.57, D 42.43
2010: R 68.86, D 31.14
2008: R 55.43, D 37.42
2006: R 50.08, D 49.92

The 2014 election was the best showing the Democratic party has had for that district in eight years.  And it's a district they last held in 1983.  If anything, those results show that constantly biatching about Obamacare is the least effective strategy the Republicans have tried since Obama became President.
 
2014-03-16 05:44:15 PM  
Notabunny

thanks for the opening,I hoped to be able to use this one more time

Off White, Flippy, Gropey, Dumby, Creepy, Sleazy, Doubtful and DOC
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2014-03-16 05:44:33 PM  

propasaurus: Even better, why not just have one single photo line-up and be done with it. Cuz honestly, the less voters know about the GOP candidates the better chance they'll have.


Actually, you can make a pretty good argument that it was only the large number of debates they had that allowed their 'best' candidate to become the nominee.

It's easy to forget that most of the other losers were the leading candidate at various points and it took a small (but non-zero) amount of time for their insanity to be noticed, and for them to be dismissed as the leading candidate.

With a much smaller number of debates, whoever is 2016's equivalent of Herman Cain, could much more easily become the Republican nominee. Which is something I would heartily enjoy.
 
2014-03-16 05:44:56 PM  

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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He's right of course. Well, not "of course" but "surprisingly." Fewer debates = fewer embarrassing opportunities for unfortunate soundbites. I'm sure they'll make up for it somehow, though. It's what they do. They can't help themselves.

Whatever you do, don't fashion any drinking games with them around the word "rape" -- you'll kill yourself.
 
2014-03-16 05:45:15 PM  
Talk about denial.

The establishment candidate won in 2008 and 2012, so it's not that the wrong people are being nominated because of the process.
 
2014-03-16 05:46:43 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: 2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history



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2014-03-16 05:47:42 PM  

Mentat: Remember, the problem isn't the message, it's the messaging.


It's not the pizza, it's the box it comes in.
 
2014-03-16 05:49:09 PM  

a particular individual: "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

And pre-select the winners.




The greatest threat to American liberty is apparently moderators who pitch softballs at a skill level above t-ball.
 
2014-03-16 05:54:51 PM  

Notabunny: WhyteRaven74: Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.

Ron Paul is my favorite wingnut whackadoo. He's so sincere. But the poor guy always looks like he's just stepped out of a Good Will dressing room.


No RON PAUL is a Salvation Army man not Goodwill
 
2014-03-16 05:56:42 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.


you are going to be real impressed this time around
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2014-03-16 05:56:52 PM  
I can't help but wonder:  if we had fewer debates or otherwise overhauled the primary process in 2008, what do they think would have happened instead?  Herman Cain?  Newt Gingrich?  Michele Bachmann?

I think the primary process did an admirable job of filtering out the unelectable nutcases and choosing one of the few solid candidates.  The Republicans didn't lose because the primary process gave them Romney instead of Santorum.
 
2014-03-16 06:05:29 PM  
Your best candidate floated to the top of a watery potato soup.  You should be happy about that.
 
2014-03-16 06:08:06 PM  

Xcott: I think the primary process did an admirable job of filtering out the unelectable nutcases and choosing one of the few solid candidates. The Republicans didn't lose because the primary process gave them Romney instead of Santorum.


The large number of debates helped with that, as it gave each candidate the chance to say something exceedingly stupid or simple self-destruct (in the case of Rick Perry).
 
2014-03-16 06:09:02 PM  
Someone finally put it together that if you spend less time in front of a camera there is less change of them catching you saying crazy shiat.
 
2014-03-16 06:21:12 PM  

Truffle Kerfuffle: The more debates they have, the bigger the chance they give away the fact they hate everyone outside their party in a non-subtle way.


Outside? Come one they hate a lot of people who are in their party.
 
2014-03-16 06:25:21 PM  
Am I the only one thinking that with fewer debates they will have to turn the derp way up? I'm thinking that if its 3 instead of say 10 there's only a few times for them to prove they're conservative enough, so they're going to out derp each other during the debate.

The first debate will go from Obamacare bad to bring back slavery before the 20 minute mark.
 
2014-03-16 06:29:32 PM  
Maybe they should just pray more?
 
2014-03-16 06:32:17 PM  

rewind2846: Benevolent Misanthrope: They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.

Conventions and meetings held by groups of people who have differing ideas, theories, proposals and solutions tend to be more chaotic than those held by people who have more like minded ideologies and hive mind behavior. Fortunately, the "big tent" of ideas the democrats hold is actually their strength and not their weakness, like a variance of natural species in an ecosystem instead of a republican monoculture.

When a disease like the Tea Party invades the crop it can (and has) destroyed many of the good ideas and candidates in the republican party, while the fringe nutjobs with D's after their names don't infect the whole because they cannot get a grip on a large enough part of the electorate to ruin it. The R's put their nutjobs front and center, and their conventions are predictable.


Agreed, but the general populace doesn't tend to think that much about it.
 
2014-03-16 06:37:44 PM  
Translation: We don't want America finding out our real policy positions; and the fact our candidates are a bunch of nut cases, better fit for psychological research studies in an institutional setting than being put in positions of power.
 
2014-03-16 07:07:09 PM  
The last debate the GOP thought favorably of:

abcnews.go.com
 
2014-03-16 07:15:04 PM  
Benevolent Misanthrope:They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.

The general population watched the repub convention before the last election in silent horror though. They were pitiful precisely BECAUSE it was nothing more than a badly scripted advert. The democratic convention was seen a a triumph.
 
2014-03-16 07:27:23 PM  
Remember that no one fights this hard to get a job where all they do is help other people.
 
2014-03-16 07:28:28 PM  

Mugato: Old senile white people in church buses are the only people who vote. It's a wonder how the republicans don't sweep every election.


The fact that they do sorta contradicts this point. I'm all for elevating intellectualism, but can we pretend that we here, commenting uselessly on a political news aggregate site are somehow "above it all" and "making a difference."
 
2014-03-16 07:31:38 PM  
They just need someone to ensure their hair is strong.

But not too strong.
 
2014-03-16 07:35:16 PM  

TV's Vinnie: Less debates? That will surely result in a downturn in the number of Colonial Cosplay outfits for Teabaggers to rent.

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Green reminds me more of Hessians, than Minutemen.
 
2014-03-16 07:48:24 PM  
I think they should go to zero debates and just pocket the Koch-money.
 
2014-03-16 08:35:58 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There only needs to be one debate, with challenges three:

1) Paint your favorite John McNaughton mural from memory
2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history
3) Who can scream the Pledge of Allegiance the loudest?


Holy shiat, that was amazing. Kudos.
 
2014-03-16 08:46:40 PM  
I say just pick Trump and go full steam ahead.
 
2014-03-16 09:12:34 PM  
I think every Republican primary debate should include a round of "gay chicken".
 
2014-03-16 09:38:22 PM  
Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?
 
2014-03-16 09:49:25 PM  

The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?


Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

The fewer debates is bad enough, but the picking of moderators is asinine.

/Bring back the League of Women Voters
 
2014-03-16 10:09:22 PM  

EJ25T: Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

[img.photobucket.com image 570x352]

I think the Republican party's issues can be summed up in that picture alone.

The only person up there reasoned, moderate, and intelligent enough to actually manage the office of President is all the way to the right of the stage, with the most physical distance between himself and any other candidate.


It also clarifies why they want less debates.  Fully half of them were just in it for the money, and only 3 were remotely viable to the Republican Establishment.

The rest were there as money-grubbers, strange sociopolitical experiments, idiotically hopeless causes, or a combination of the three.
 
2014-03-16 10:36:46 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: There only needs to be one debate, with challenges three:

1) Paint your favorite John McNaughton mural from memory
2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history
3) Who can scream the Pledge of Allegiance the loudest?


I call foul on number 2.   No matter what the topic, interpretive dance is an undeniably liberal pursuit.  The only way to win this challenge is to refuse to participate.
 
2014-03-16 10:52:49 PM  

geek_mars: I almost respect Republican politicians, just for their indomitable will.

FTFA: Republicans are trying to catch up to the high-tech operations that Democrats used to elect Obama in both 2008 and 2012. Priebus said the GOP has an office in the San Francisco Bay Area city of San Mateo that is building a $35 million data platform to help candidates.

Now, presumably this is to help them distribute their message. You know, the one they keep saying needs a change in how it's delivered but doesn't itself need to be changed. I understand not wanting to change your positions/platforms/beliefs, but to spend thirty-five million to keep trying not to is a serious commitment and really shows the kind of determination that would be admirable if it were applied to almost anything else. I wonder what they'll convince themselves of when this doesn't turn out to be the magic wand that wins over the minority vote.


THIS
But they are correct in theory.
Shouldnt every candidate have access to that expensive and high powered database and machinery?!!
Unless they are only talking about the general election!!

But seriously.
The next step for the DEMS, which would BLINDSIDE the GOP, would be for the DNC to provide equally to all DEM candidates access to the massive Obama databases.

Rather than each candidate spending millions to replicate the data, they could spend their money on content and message, getting the best candidates, not the richest ones.

LOL
Nah, that will never happen.
BUT if the DNC were smart, they could destroy the GOP without the GOP having a clue what was coming.
 
2014-03-16 10:57:08 PM  

Xcott: I can't help but wonder:  if we had fewer debates or otherwise overhauled the primary process in 2008, what do they think would have happened instead?  Herman Cain?  Newt Gingrich?  Michele Bachmann?

I think the primary process did an admirable job of filtering out the unelectable nutcases and choosing one of the few solid candidates.  The Republicans didn't lose because the primary process gave them Romney instead of Santorum.


Truth
Look at what happened during the Primary Season.
One turd after another floated to the top of the bowl, only to drop out once they got much sunlight and burned out.

They got the last turd in the bowl.

Go a step further.
None of those once forerunners conceded and threw their support behind another candidate.
They all suspended their campaign, in HOPES that everyone else would blow up and they could step back in.

LOL
 
2014-03-16 11:00:49 PM  
So, they'd prefer to risk a party fission to everyone finding out how bad the last dunderhead standing is?
 
2014-03-16 11:09:39 PM  

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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So, what I take from that photo is tall guys do better with the GOP.  They should just stick with that.  It's their only legit tactic.
 
2014-03-17 01:24:35 AM  

SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?



www.quickmeme.com
 
2014-03-17 01:30:19 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Notabunny: Mike_LowELL, you ignorant slut. Most low-information voters aren't interested in the marketplace of ideas, and are instead content with single-provider ideology.

Conservatives, by the very definition of the word, are open to other ideas.  Some conservatives think abortions should lead to jail time.  Some conservatives think abortion doctors should be killed.  How is this not a diversity of ideas?

Herman Borrach: That's beautiful. I think I have witnessed enough Fark perfection for on day. I'm going outside.

This is the only correct reply.


WTF... that is as asinine as your "free market" with all the billions given to big buisness, big Pharma; not to mention, big Ag.
 
2014-03-17 02:05:00 AM  

whidbey: SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

[www.quickmeme.com image 625x468]


It's like you have a beeper that alerts you whenever I mention him in a thread, lmao.

img.fark.net

Check it out again though, they did end up cheering, but that had to be embarrassing (as if the RNC cares):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-US_dF58Rw
 
2014-03-17 02:30:49 AM  

SpacePirate: whidbey: SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

[www.quickmeme.com image 625x468]

It's like you have a beeper that alerts you whenever I mention him in a thread, lmao.

[img.fark.net image 445x513]

Check it out again though, they did end up cheering, but that had to be embarrassing (as if the RNC cares):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-US_dF58Rw


I'm sure.

It's just good Fark Entertainment™ (for now, anyway) to watch you praise RON PAUL in a thread and then attempt to backpedal when called on it. NO U.

i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2014-03-17 02:42:50 AM  

whidbey: SpacePirate: whidbey: SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

[www.quickmeme.com image 625x468]

It's like you have a beeper that alerts you whenever I mention him in a thread, lmao.

[img.fark.net image 445x513]

Check it out again though, they did end up cheering, but that had to be embarrassing (as if the RNC cares):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-US_dF58Rw

I'm sure.

It's just good Fark Entertainment™ (for now, anyway) to watch you praise RON PAUL in a thread and then attempt to backpedal when called on it. NO U.

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 200x252]


I'm allowed to think the man has some good points that need to be heard, I don't have to agree with everything he says to bring him up. Dude's still relevant to the national conversation.

Show me some actual anti-war, pro civil liberty lefties, and maybe we can find some pictures of them and cover them with appropriate meme text.

img.fark.net
/it's a start
//I'm too easy to troll
 
2014-03-17 02:47:26 AM  

SpacePirate: I'm allowed to think the man has some good points that need to be heard, I don't have to agree with everything he says to bring him up. Dude's still relevant to the national conversation.


lol no

we've been through this before
over and over

Show me some actual anti-war, pro civil liberty lefties,

What would that prove? That you wouldn't need to look to some neo-confederate for socio-political criticism?
 
2014-03-17 03:00:32 AM  

whidbey: SpacePirate: I'm allowed to think the man has some good points that need to be heard, I don't have to agree with everything he says to bring him up. Dude's still relevant to the national conversation.

lol no

we've been through this before
over and over


You so close minded, bro. Look beyond the partisan divide once in a while.

Show me some actual anti-war, pro civil liberty lefties,

What would that prove? That you wouldn't need to look to some neo-confederate for socio-political criticism?


Yeah, pretty much. :)

I'm not going to march lockstep with the Democratic Party just because our guy is in power.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/05/kucinich-obamas-foreign-policy-no- di fferent-from-bushs-video/ 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BmdovYztH8 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/20/dennis-kucinich-nsa_n_37860 71 .html

/I'm still too easy to troll
 
2014-03-17 03:02:51 AM  

SpacePirate: whidbey: SpacePirate: whidbey: SpacePirate: The Why Not Guy: Fewer than ten debates? Will that still be enough for the audience to boo an active duty Marine?

Or boo Ron Paul for suggesting we follow The Golden Rule in our foreign policy?

[www.quickmeme.com image 625x468]

It's like you have a beeper that alerts you whenever I mention him in a thread, lmao.

[img.fark.net image 445x513]

Check it out again though, they did end up cheering, but that had to be embarrassing (as if the RNC cares):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-US_dF58Rw

I'm sure.

It's just good Fark Entertainment™ (for now, anyway) to watch you praise RON PAUL in a thread and then attempt to backpedal when called on it. NO U.

[i3.kym-cdn.com image 200x252]

I'm allowed to think the man has some good points that need to be heard, I don't have to agree with everything he says to bring him up. Dude's still relevant to the national conversation.


Yeah, it takes a real maverick to load bills with pork for his district, make sure they have enough votes to pass, and then vote against them so he can appear like the sole voice of opposition to wasteful spending in the eyes of stoners and retards.
 
2014-03-17 03:45:55 AM  

SpacePirate: I'm not going to march lockstep with the Democratic Party just because our guy is in power.


You do realize you can support accomplishments and be critical of socially conservative hardliner ideology in our government at the same time? No? You don't?

Kucinich

We've been through this, too. Kucinich stood up and made a lot of noise in Congress. Good for him. But did he ever actually do anything? Is he a bane or a boon to progressives? Oh wait. But Ron Paul said...

And pretending to be above both political parties when in reality all you're doing is helping Republicans get elected is wearing a bit thin. Sorry you think that someone pointing that out to you constitutes being trolled.
 
2014-03-17 04:25:17 AM  

whidbey: SpacePirate: I'm not going to march lockstep with the Democratic Party just because our guy is in power.

You do realize you can support accomplishments and be critical of socially conservative hardliner ideology in our government at the same time? No? You don't?


Kinda like how I'm sympathetic to Ron Paul? LULZ.

"We've been through this, too. Kucinich stood up and made a lot of noise in Congress. Good for him. But did he ever actually do anything? Is he a bane or a boon to progressives? Oh wait. But Ron Paul said..."

He stood by the constitution and his anti-war principals when the DNC leadership farking sold out. I'd call that a boon to civil liberties the same way Warren is a boon to anti-corporatist cronyism.

"And pretending to be above both political parties when in reality all you're doing is helping Republicans get elected is wearing a bit thin. Sorry you think that someone pointing that out to you constitutes being trolled."

I'll not stop criticizing the administration's mistakes just because it might unintentionally help Republicans, nor will I waver in my beliefs just to gain a few more points in a poll. You can call me an idealist if you want, but I refuse to vote for a lesser evil within the party, and I intend not to in the DNC primary in the future. Hopefully you won't vote for an establishment shill just because you're afraid of the big bad teaparty boogieman.
 
2014-03-17 05:40:29 AM  

SpacePirate: You can call me an idealist if you want, but I refuse to vote for a lesser evil within the party, and I intend not to in the DNC primary in the future. Hopefully you won't vote for an establishment shill just because you're afraid of the big bad teaparty boogieman.


First of all, you seem to think the social conservatives are "boogiemen." That's Questionable Judgment #1.

#2 would be this rather tedious "lesser of two evils" nonsense. The real focus of the past 5 years should have been largely supporting the Democratic Party and pushing to tell the social conservatives to fark off.

But no, we've seen a lot more Obama-under-the-Microscope, Obama did this, Obama didn't do that, he didn't do enough-- than actual condemnation of the real naysayers, the Republican Party. It just doesn't help that you're here shhsh-ing or chiding anyone for daring to tip your "both sides are bad" scale in favor of the real political entities doing damage to this country.

But until there is a viable party to replace the Republicans, we should be supporting what we've got, and becoming more involved in the process. I know that's a horrible piece of advice.
Maybe Uncle Ron will fix us blueberry pancakes or something and we'll mull it over some hot cocoa or whatever 1950s imagery you can conjure up for us.
/snark
 
2014-03-17 07:08:01 AM  
I'm feeding my kid breakfast this morning while reading this. The kid won't eat a damn thing, though. It's good for him, but he won't eat it. It's maddening. He just doesn't understand that what I am trying to do is what's best for him but he won't open his mouth and take it. I'm trying everything here. I'm making airplane noises. I'm making race car noises. I'm trying to bribe him with treats if he finishes everything. I'm utilizing a tit-for-tat strategy where he gets something else he likes for every bite he takes. It's all failing. None of it is working. It's almost as if he simply doesn't like what I am offering, but that can't be it. I like this food. I'd eat this food. I think it's swell. How can someone else not like this? So that's not it. I tried discussing it with him but all he says is he doesn't want it and "can I have something else?" So obviously discussions are out of the question. There's got to be some way... some method... some trickto get him to swallow this stuff he pretends isn't good and that he doesn't want. I'm going to find it.

Anyhow, I think the GOP is on the right course with this. Fewer debates. Oh, and technology. The technology is how they tricked everyone to vote Obama. If we used mobile apps and stopped having public discussions about our policies surely people would swing back to the right.
 
2014-03-17 08:28:53 AM  
The less people know about a candidate going into a general election, the better chance they have of winning.
 
2014-03-17 08:30:38 AM  

SpacePirate: I'm allowed to think the man has some good points that need to be heard, I don't have to agree with everything he says to bring him up. Dude's still relevant to the national conversation.


You just put Quizzical Dog in traction with a sprained neck.
 
2014-03-17 09:20:14 AM  
it's a good plan, but there's a problem.

the morans who say stupid shiat honestly want to be heard saying the stupid shiat they say.

in other words
DERP....uh....uh....finds a way.
 
2014-03-17 10:04:12 AM  
This may have been done already (Didn't read the whole thread)

"Better to keep your mouth shut and let the world think you a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."
 
2014-03-17 10:17:53 AM  
Fewer primary debates? I think that's a fine, fine thing.

Even better? MORE DEBATES.

Have the whole debate process privatized, with people having to subscribe and only the top four bidders getting podiums. other candidates can bid on a series of more and more degrading podium-like devices with possible strategic benefits; One can have wink Martendale's old ball-mic, another cna have just a boom, a third might pick up an old bing crosby telefunken model to stir the memories of the electorate.

Sell ad space all around the background, as long as they conform to the color scheme of the party. Offer big sponsors the ability to spin the candidate's quotes for ten minutes after the debate ("John McCain is the Kind of Leader that Doritos, Coca-cola and America All need right now - he's the real thing, all right!")
 
2014-03-17 10:32:53 AM  
Republicans: Love the authoritarian Putin, hate voting, hate transparency, love controlling peoples lives, love spying, hate debates, hate dissent.

Republicans: The anti-democracy authoritarians of the west.
 
2014-03-17 10:42:34 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.

Um. You didn't watch the two conventions in 2012 did you? Either that or you're talking about what the GOP faithful think.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but they also didn't bother airing the one part of the 2012 GOP convention that would have made Romney seem like a human being.  Not the wisest move.

Also,

www.csmonitor.com

That said, Democrats do have trouble getting their shiat together.  Because they're more a coalition of groups with different priorities.   The GOP has the tea party twits to deal with, and some fiscal/social conservative headbutting, but generally march lock step to the RNC talking point memo.
 
2014-03-17 12:40:27 PM  

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

[img.photobucket.com image 570x352]


Looking back on that...  ensemble it's sad to see the only ones with any sense were the two guys on the right side of the pic.  Poppa Paul and whats-his-face...  Huntsman?  Of course they jammed their feet in their mouths too.
/voted for Gary because why not?
 
2014-03-17 02:51:46 PM  
Well I see they understand that the biggest problem they have isn't that their ideas are terrible except for a select elite few, but that people who understand their ideas won't vote for them.  See and people say Conservatives always ignore reality.

This is clearly their only option.  If they fixed the ideas themselves... they wouldn't be Conservatives anymore.
 
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