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(Talking Points Memo)   The key to future GOP victory: Better ideas? Nah, fewer debates. Book it, done   (talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 116
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2014-03-16 02:40:50 PM
As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.
 
2014-03-16 03:01:57 PM
If your ideas suck, it really is best if you keep your damned mouth shut if you want any chance at victory.
 
2014-03-16 03:25:06 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.


Why not both?

They're talking about the primaries, and frankly they have a point.  When your party is built on anti-intellectualism and preying on fear and emotion, extra debates are pretty-much useless.  You need just enough to get the talking points out there in the news, fire up the few members of the base who think they're "the smart ones" because they watch debates, and create sound bites.  After that, have the Convention, pay the delegates, declare your candidate and move on.

They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.
 
2014-03-16 03:28:56 PM
Even better, why not just have one single photo line-up and be done with it. Cuz honestly, the less voters know about the GOP candidates the better chance they'll have.
 
2014-03-16 03:29:41 PM
It's pretty evident that given enough time, any political candidate will eventually put his foot in his mouth. In recent history, the definition of "enough time" for the Republicans is a lot shorter than for the Democrats. Ergo, a viable Republican strategy should be to limit the amount of time their candidates spend in front of open microphones.
 
2014-03-16 03:44:15 PM
fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

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2014-03-16 03:46:53 PM
Or maybe they should find some good candidates. They run out any of the decent ones they have calling them RINO's. Maybe they will unhitch the crazy train they created like they said they should do. Hell, the establishment republicans look sane in comparison the the Teahadists.
 
2014-03-16 03:47:21 PM
Notabunny:
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That image reminds me of this one:

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Does that mean the GOP Primaries will be a fight to the death from now on? Becuase I'd tune in for that.
 
2014-03-16 03:50:31 PM
Old senile white people in church buses are the only people who vote. It's a wonder how the republicans don't sweep every election.
 
2014-03-16 03:51:58 PM
One debate per candidate

/10 candidates = 10 debates
//equal opportunity for a leather lunch
 
2014-03-16 03:52:04 PM

Gig103: Does that mean the GOP Primaries will be a fight to the death from now on? Becuase I'd tune in for that.


A GOP pon farr? A gop farr? Yeah, I'd host a ppv party for that. I hope they're on Saturdays, because there's no way I'll be able to drive the next morning.
 
2014-03-16 03:59:37 PM

Notabunny: Gig103: Does that mean the GOP Primaries will be a fight to the death from now on? Becuase I'd tune in for that.

A GOP pon farr? A gop farr? Yeah, I'd host a ppv party for that. I hope they're on Saturdays, because there's no way I'll be able to drive the next morning.


Thunderderp

/only one candidate leaves
 
2014-03-16 04:07:05 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Thunderderp

/only one candidate leaves


I laughed harder than I should have at that.
 
2014-03-16 04:07:28 PM
"I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

And pre-select the winners.
 
2014-03-16 04:08:46 PM

Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.


What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.
 
2014-03-16 04:11:18 PM
He's actually correct on this one. Having 35 bazillion debates last time just made the party look petty and unfocused, especially since there was never the slightest question that they wouldn't nominate Romney in the end. If they had spent less time bickering and more time coalescing their resources, Romney would likely have lost by 1 or 2 points instead of three, and might have gotten 250ish EV instead of 206.

If they only have a few debates this time, and coalesce quickly around Christie, they'll have more time to smear Hilary and spread as much disinformation and outright lies as possible. Hell, they might even gain 2 swing states, instead of just one. They'll still lose hard of course - demographics, they are a biatch - but he'll probably get even more of the aging white vote than Romney did.
 
2014-03-16 04:11:45 PM
Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.
 
2014-03-16 04:14:02 PM

WhyteRaven74: Notabunny: But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

What cracked me up was Huntsman was the only one that had a suit that fit right. Even Romney's suit didn't fit right, his pants looked like they were about 3 inches too long. And as for the rest they looked like they stopped off at Men's Warehouse two hours before the debate.


Ron Paul is my favorite wingnut whackadoo. He's so sincere. But the poor guy always looks like he's just stepped out of a Good Will dressing room.
 
2014-03-16 04:16:11 PM
A closed mouth gathers no feet, I guess...
 
2014-03-16 04:19:31 PM

Mike_LowELL: Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.


Mike_LowELL, you ignorant slut. Most low-information voters aren't interested in the marketplace of ideas, and are instead content with single-provider ideology.
 
2014-03-16 04:31:01 PM
I don't see any way this new plan could backfire.

Nice of him to acknowledge that last year's debates were a traveling circus, though.
 
2014-03-16 04:31:33 PM
There only needs to be one debate, with challenges three:

1) Paint your favorite John McNaughton mural from memory
2) Perform an interpretive dance undeniably and authoritatively proving that, had he taken up the instrument, Ronald Reagan would have been the greatest banjo player in history
3) Who can scream the Pledge of Allegiance the loudest?
 
2014-03-16 04:31:52 PM

Notabunny: But the poor guy always looks like he's just stepped out of a Good Will dressing room


Yep.
 
2014-03-16 04:54:22 PM

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

[img.photobucket.com image 570x352]


dear god i really hope that wasn't the best they had, just the ones nuts enough to run.
 
2014-03-16 04:56:21 PM
Maybe it's not the Traveling Circus of Debates; it's the Clowncar of Candidates.
 
2014-03-16 04:57:43 PM
Remember, the problem isn't the message, it's the messaging.
 
2014-03-16 04:58:40 PM
One key to victory might be fewer debates without Candy Crowley.
 
2014-03-16 05:00:22 PM
Less debates. Only "friendly" moderators. Tighter message control for the masses.

Basically turning the debate format into even more of a joke than it is already

At least Reince has figured out that bad things happen when Republicans run their mouths.
 
2014-03-16 05:01:10 PM

Mike_LowELL: Gee, Republicans understand how the free market works.  They understand that if they reduce the supply of Republican ideas, then this will create greater demand and interest in them.  I'm stunned that liberals are outraged by the most basic of all economic tenets.  People tend to be outraged by things they don't understand.


That's beautiful. I think I have witnessed enough Fark perfection for on day. I'm going outside.
 
2014-03-16 05:02:14 PM

Notabunny: fta "I think a traveling circus of debates is insanity in this party," Priebus told about 200 delegates. "We're proposing to have fewer than 10, and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

But the last debates were an unbeatable drinking game, Priebus, you jerk.

[img.photobucket.com image 570x352]


I think the Republican party's issues can be summed up in that picture alone.

The only person up there reasoned, moderate, and intelligent enough to actually manage the office of President is all the way to the right of the stage, with the most physical distance between himself and any other candidate.
 
2014-03-16 05:03:11 PM
Never, never, NEVER underestimate the power of human stupidity.  Our next president will be a Tea Party Republican.  Book it, done.
 
2014-03-16 05:03:48 PM

Fart_Machine: Maybe it's not the Traveling Circus of Debates; it's the Clowncar of Candidates.


Bumper Cars of Bombast

Carousel ofarkoos

Gravitron of Goofiness

Waterslide of Wingnuts

Teacups of Teabaggers
 
2014-03-16 05:04:24 PM
"and this time around, we're going to pick the moderators."

So basically, questions will run the gamut from "While in office, how would you demonstrate how much you love Jesus?" all the way to "How will you try to emulate Ronald Reagan while in office?"
 
2014-03-16 05:05:57 PM
In other words, "Don't let the rubes find out how much we want to exterminate them and take everything for ourselves".
 
2014-03-16 05:06:14 PM
Well no shiat, the more questions they get asked the more likely it is that they will actually answer one, and that would be devastating to their campaign.
 
2014-03-16 05:06:38 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Because People in power are Stupid: As opposed to that other strategy of losing miserably in a debate and then declaring victory.

Why not both?

They're talking about the primaries, and frankly they have a point.  When your party is built on anti-intellectualism and preying on fear and emotion, extra debates are pretty-much useless.  You need just enough to get the talking points out there in the news, fire up the few members of the base who think they're "the smart ones" because they watch debates, and create sound bites.  After that, have the Convention, pay the delegates, declare your candidate and move on.

They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.


Um. You didn't watch the two conventions in 2012 did you? Either that or you're talking about what the GOP faithful think.
 
2014-03-16 05:08:01 PM
Less debates? That will surely result in a downturn in the number of Colonial Cosplay outfits for Teabaggers to rent.

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-16 05:08:30 PM
So much for that "any publicity is good" canard. I expect the moderator selection idea will help make for some truly exciting, must see, debates.

"Who here hates Obama?"
 
2014-03-16 05:08:54 PM

unyon: If your ideas suck, it really is best if you keep your damned mouth shut if you want any chance at victory.


Well, assuming you've preemptively ruled out coming up with ideas that don't suck.  Which the GOP has, of course.
 
2014-03-16 05:09:46 PM

Notabunny: Carousel ofarkoos


I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Carousel ofarkoos", but I'm trying to keep my peppers-and-onions hot slaw from over-grilling, so, yeah.
 
2014-03-16 05:12:12 PM

Notabunny: Notabunny: Carousel ofarkoos

I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Carousel ofarkoos", but I'm trying to keep my peppers-and-onions hot slaw from over-grilling, so, yeah.


Oh filter. Never change.
 
2014-03-16 05:13:56 PM

Notabunny: Mike_LowELL, you ignorant slut. Most low-information voters aren't interested in the marketplace of ideas, and are instead content with single-provider ideology.


Conservatives, by the very definition of the word, are open to other ideas.  Some conservatives think abortions should lead to jail time.  Some conservatives think abortion doctors should be killed.  How is this not a diversity of ideas?

Herman Borrach: That's beautiful. I think I have witnessed enough Fark perfection for on day. I'm going outside.


This is the only correct reply.
 
2014-03-16 05:14:50 PM

Notabunny: Fart_Machine: Maybe it's not the Traveling Circus of Debates; it's the Clowncar of Candidates.

Bumper Cars of Bombast

Carousel ofarkoos

Gravitron of Goofiness

Waterslide of Wingnuts

Teacups of Teabaggers


Ring of Retards
 
2014-03-16 05:20:59 PM
Never happen. The candidates need to be willing to limit their exposure for the greater good of the party. Do you think that will happen? Why would the other candidates solidify behind a front runner when the whole lesson of the last Republican primary season was that the front runner inevitably gets into trouble as the media starts sorting through the skeletons in his closet? If you were not a schmuck you wouldn't be a member of the Republican Party and if you weren't a self-centered egotistical schmuck you wouldn't be running for the nomination. The likelihood of also-ran candidates stepping back gracefully once a front runner is anointed are zero to nil.
 
2014-03-16 05:21:02 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Notabunny: Notabunny: Carousel ofarkoos

I'm pretty sure that was supposed to be "Carousel ofarkoos", but I'm trying to keep my peppers-and-onions hot slaw from over-grilling, so, yeah.

Oh filter. Never change.


Carousel. Of. Cuckoos. Dammit. So. Much.
 
2014-03-16 05:21:53 PM
Less debates and "they" will choose the moderators. So basically a talking point circle jerk. Book it. Done.
 
2014-03-16 05:23:20 PM
There is some real quality comment over at TPM

-The way we work over this poor boy's name ....it makes me wonder how he got thru school w/o being mentally scarred for life.

-Inarticulate? Ryan was worse than inarticulate. He gave us a Full Jindal.

-Aww, Gee wizz. Rinse Piebus is gonna be upset with you cuz you "pounced".

-Pounce Ribald shouldn't use words like "pounce" that sound like his name.

-Whaa! They're picking on us for our bullshiat!

-"They Hate Us For Our Derp!"

-i don't know about you, but i'm always waiting to pounce on racism.

-Paul Ryan the poverty warrior. If there's a soup kitchen anywhere in the country that has clean pots and pans that need an reenactment of what it must have looked like when they were actually cleaned, the poverty warrior will be there with film crew in tow to do his part in his lifelong fight against poverty.
 
2014-03-16 05:24:08 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: They are also trying to give themselves the opportunity to point and laugh at the Democrats, who are notoriously terrible at getting their act together and whose convention - let's be honest - looks like a goddamn three-ring circus by comparison.


Conventions and meetings held by groups of people who have differing ideas, theories, proposals and solutions tend to be more chaotic than those held by people who have more like minded ideologies and hive mind behavior. Fortunately, the "big tent" of ideas the democrats hold is actually their strength and not their weakness, like a variance of natural species in an ecosystem instead of a republican monoculture.

When a disease like the Tea Party invades the crop it can (and has) destroyed many of the good ideas and candidates in the republican party, while the fringe nutjobs with D's after their names don't infect the whole because they cannot get a grip on a large enough part of the electorate to ruin it. The R's put their nutjobs front and center, and their conventions are predictable.
 
2014-03-16 05:25:57 PM

Cat Food Sandwiches: One key to victory might be fewer debates without Candy Crowley.


That wasn't a Republican debate. That was a presidential debate between the two nominees.

red5ish: Less debates and "they" will choose the moderators. So basically a talking point circle jerk. Book it. Done.


Yep. Aired on Faux News to boot, no doubt. Is it a debate if all the participants are saying the same thing?
 
2014-03-16 05:27:09 PM
Priebus said shortening the primary process by moving up the national convention at which the nominee is typically selected to June and cutting the number of debates are "not an establishment takeover. This is using your brain. Everything's not a conspiracy."

LULZ!
 
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