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(WFAA Fort Worth)   Six Flags to Wounded War Vet: You can't ride the roller coasters without "one functional leg and one functional arm," and you can't have your money back. But here are two free tickets in case you want to come back again   (wfaa.com) divider line 90
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2014-03-16 04:19:04 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No matter how silly my posts are, I can always count on at least a couple of people taking me seriously

/bless your hearts


In this example, your post wasn't silly since a few others posted the same sentiment in sincerity.  If you want to get your jollies being ridiculous on the internet, please up your game and try delving a bit deeper into Poe's law.

Examples of other "silly" things you could say on the internet that aren't really silly because many people actually believe them:
-We should give tax breaks to the rich because the wealth will trickle down
-WWE is a sport
-0bama is a Muslim
-A woman can be president of the United States
-Firefly was a good show that deserved a second season
 
2014-03-16 04:19:53 PM
If he's wounded, shouldn't he be in the hospital?
 
2014-03-16 04:21:55 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: If he's wounded, shouldn't he be in the hospital?


Or, in a war?
 
2014-03-16 04:22:36 PM
It sounded to me like he couldn't ride Aride and he flipped his shiat.  Where in TFA did it say he couldn't ride any rides?  He's pissing and moaning because he couldn't go on the one he wanted?    The person at the front gate is supposed to say to every single fat person, old person, pregnant person, amputee, "Just FYI, you can't go on the boomerang."  Really?  Take your whining biatch ass somewhere else.
 
2014-03-16 04:22:53 PM

traylor: AMonkey'sUncle: If he's wounded, shouldn't he be in the hospital?

Or, in a war?


They don't allow one armed people to be armed
 
2014-03-16 04:26:07 PM
screw'em
 
2014-03-16 04:31:21 PM

LessO2: Does anyone else think it's kind of stupid that the guy had to pay to enter the park in the first place?


Why? Clearly he fought for that business's right to maximize profit at any cost.

/should have at least had a hefty discount
 
2014-03-16 04:31:46 PM

RogermcAllen: MaudlinMutantMollusk: No matter how silly my posts are, I can always count on at least a couple of people taking me seriously

/bless your hearts

In this example, your post wasn't silly since a few others posted the same sentiment in sincerity.  If you want to get your jollies being ridiculous on the internet, please up your game and try delving a bit deeper into Poe's law.

Examples of other "silly" things you could say on the internet that aren't really silly because many people actually believe them:
-We should give tax breaks to the rich because the wealth will trickle down
-WWE is a sport
-0bama is a Muslim
-A woman can be president of the United States
-Firefly was a good show that deserved a second season


Bless your heart
 
2014-03-16 04:33:44 PM

Meisaims: Dude, they were just trying to keep you alive. I appreciate your service. Perhaps counseling would be beneficial.


Not to mention what I used to tell passengers in my car who didn't want to wear seat belts, I don't want to have to see you go through the windshield.

RogermcAllen: The boomerang has a harness style restraint that works by clamping you into place by your chest, locking your arms in, and locking your legs in. If you don't have arms and legs firmly locked into place you can slip out. This is also the reason really fat people can't ride. Fat can't be firmly locked into place (under enough pressure it slides around under your skin), which means that a fat person could slip out of the ride as the harness is locked far away from their bodies and their fat deforms.


Hey this is no time to appeal to reason.... Probably could modify one of the cars to use a five point restraint instead of the yoke. Have to be something a stoned high school drop out could work.
 
2014-03-16 04:39:01 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: LessO2: Does anyone else think it's kind of stupid that the guy had to pay to enter the park in the first place?

Why? Clearly he fought for that business's right to maximize profit at any cost.

/should have at least had a hefty discount


25% off?
 
2014-03-16 04:48:11 PM

LessO2: Does anyone else think it's kind of stupid that the guy had to pay to enter the park in the first place?


No.

I don't recall any appropriations from congress setting up a fund to allow free amusement park rides for amputees.  I can think of better ways for that money to be spent.
 
2014-03-16 04:51:36 PM

XveryYpettyZ: LessO2: Does anyone else think it's kind of stupid that the guy had to pay to enter the park in the first place?

No.

I don't recall any appropriations from congress setting up a fund to allow free amusement park rides for amputees.  I can think of better ways for that money to be spent.


But it does sound like a good fundraiser for someone. As many bad jokes I've made in here I'd feel obligated to donate
 
2014-03-16 04:58:57 PM
This fella doesn't seem to understand how ticket prices and/or ride restrictions work. Old people, very tall people, pregnant women, and little kids still can't go on all the rides, but they still have to pay for tickets. The gate attendants don't tell each one of them, "You know, you can't go on every single ride... are you sure you want to purchase a ticket?"

Pretty sure that dude can get into SeaWorld on the other side of town for free, anyway. I'm pretty sure they don't care who their attractions kill, amirite?
 
2014-03-16 05:17:29 PM

XveryYpettyZ: It sounded to me like he couldn't ride Aride and he flipped his shiat.  Where in TFA did it say he couldn't ride any rides?  He's pissing and moaning because he couldn't go on the one he wanted?    The person at the front gate is supposed to say to every single fat person, old person, pregnant person, amputee, "Just FYI, you can't go on the boomerang."  Really?  Take your whining biatch ass somewhere else.


I'm glad somebody jumped on this. It's ONE ride, not the entire park. If anything offering free tickets is way too generous, let alone giving his money back.
 
2014-03-16 05:36:03 PM

abhorrent1: The amusement park recommends that guests with special needs visit their website to review policies before visiting.

How about you just quit being dicks and let the guy go on the rides? Does that work for you?

/Why the fark do you need arms or legs to ride a roller coaster?


You can't be that goddamn obtuse, can you?
 
2014-03-16 05:36:38 PM

Four Horsemen of the Domestic Dispute: [cdn2-b.examiner.com image 600x343]

Family wishes they had a girth rule.

/or not, after the lawsuit victory


I'm still mad at that woman (for purely selfish reasons).  She got tossed off a week before I was in Texas to ride New Texas Giant and Iron Rattler.  Put a real damper on the trip.
 
2014-03-16 05:58:27 PM
The Vet wasn't troll-y enough.
He should have said to the press "They already charged me an arm and a leg to get in this place, and now they won't let me ride the rollercoaster? This blows my vacation up all to Hell!"
 
2014-03-16 06:01:32 PM
As a disabled vet myself, I realize there are some things I can't do, which is why I get a nice fat check from the VA every month. Six Flags should give his money back at least, but that's it. Stop whining and move on.
 
2014-03-16 06:07:05 PM
Click on the link for the Boomerang ride.  The tag line is "A round-trip for warriors."  Ironic, that a real warrior isn't allowed on it.
 
2014-03-16 06:40:55 PM

Cheesehead_Dave: abhorrent1: The amusement park recommends that guests with special needs visit their website to review policies before visiting.

How about you just quit being dicks and let the guy go on the rides? Does that work for you?

/Why the fark do you need arms or legs to ride a roller coaster?

Because roller coasters occasionally have problems that require unloading trains in other places than the station. It's already a stressful situation having fully-limbed adults and kids walking on catwalks and down maintenance steps. They probably don't want the added liability of having to handle a rider that's missing a couple of limbs.

While this guy might have been capable of handling himself, many others possibly couldn't, so it's easier to have the policy applied to everyone rather that have to deal with it on a case-by-case basis.


Yeah, because I'm sure the land whales having heart attacks from walking down 5 stories are so much less likely to sue.
 
2014-03-16 07:09:44 PM

Molavian: Cheesehead_Dave: abhorrent1: The amusement park recommends that guests with special needs visit their website to review policies before visiting.

How about you just quit being dicks and let the guy go on the rides? Does that work for you?

/Why the fark do you need arms or legs to ride a roller coaster?

Because roller coasters occasionally have problems that require unloading trains in other places than the station. It's already a stressful situation having fully-limbed adults and kids walking on catwalks and down maintenance steps. They probably don't want the added liability of having to handle a rider that's missing a couple of limbs.

While this guy might have been capable of handling himself, many others possibly couldn't, so it's easier to have the policy applied to everyone rather that have to deal with it on a case-by-case basis.

Yeah, because I'm sure the land whales having heart attacks from walking down 5 stories are so much less likely to sue.


Okay, having worked in the amusement park business, in ride operations, for 5 years-- I have a bit of insight on this.  And these stories always piss me the hell off, because the ONLY intent of the story is to gin up all the mouth-breathing idiots who believe that vets should get carte blanche to do whatever they want because, "They made sacrifices you and I would never have to make."  Despite any shred of intelligent evidence against their claims.

While an individual park's policy does go a long way in establishing who is able to ride and who isn't...it's the ride manufacturer who decides what abilities the riders must have prior to boarding.  It's completely a liability issue from a ride manufacturer's standpoint.  The number of full (or partially) useful limbs determined by the ride manufacturer is the minimum amount required to successfully brace yourself and be contained within the restraining device to ensure a safe and successful ride experience for your average customer  throughout all phases of the ride.

And no, you cannot ride most coasters that feature some type of significant inversion with a prosthesis.  A poorly secured prosthetic limb has the potential to become a deadly projectile at speed; and once again is a liability that both the ride manufacturer AND the park cannot afford to be on the hook for.

Oh, and yeah, most parks don't offer refunds to patrons when they don't get to ride their favorite ride.  The axiom being that if you came to the park- you came in good faith with the intention to ride, knowing all applicable rules and policies for the attractions you wished to ride.  It falls under most 'No raincheck' policies.  Read the back panel of the park map you get when you pay to park your car...it's there.
 
2014-03-16 07:36:39 PM

SauronWasFramed: because no double amputee was ever flung to his death while riding a rollercoaster at 50 mph


This. Certainly they should have refunded the ticket, but I cannot fault them for not letting him ride. The safety risks are real, and while our society has spent much of the last few decades mandating that we ignore some very real risks in other areas, when we're dealing with the sorts of risks where people die, the line has to be drawn.
 
2014-03-16 08:00:22 PM

SauronWasFramed: because no double amputee was ever flung to his death while riding a rollercoaster at 50 mph


I remember that. Poor guy flying out of the coaster didn't have a leg to stand on.
 
2014-03-16 08:02:44 PM
My hubby is an above the knee amputee, and I'm glad when they tell him he can not ride due to safety issues. I would much prefer they tell him, then not, and have something horrible happen.

/Married 20+ years
//He's a pain in the ass sometimes, but I still love him! :)
///Get your mind out of the gutter.
 
2014-03-16 08:10:57 PM

KidneyStone: enry: Done in two.

/being a vet gives you as lot of props from me, but it's not a crutch if things don't go your way

Oddly enough just yesterday I ran into a double amputee I met two years ago when I visited Camp Lenuene.

I guarantee you his two magic legs wouldn't be an issue on any rides. And he wouldn't use his magic legs as some form of crutch to get anything others don't deserve. Very much the opposite.


What's your guarantee?  You'll pay for all medical bills and punitive damages if the leg flies off and kills someone?  Or, just an "oops, my bad"
 
2014-03-16 08:22:11 PM
I was going to say that there's a balance in between, since they're unambiguously 100% correct that he can't go on the ride, and whether he merits a refund or not should probably hinge on how long he was in the park-- if he worked out that he couldn't ride in like 15 minutes, sure, give him his money, but if he's been there for hours doing the non-ride shiat then how about no.  Or have the no refunds policy openly posted somewhere.

However, anyone who plays the "veteran card" bullshiat when they're not talking about VA benefits or something else where it's actually relevant is just an entitled dipshiat, so I think I'm going to just go with "he can suck it".
 
2014-03-16 08:33:38 PM
Boomerang has harness-style restraints,which means if you don't have at least one functioning limb of each kind, you will slip out of the restraints. There is also the change your prosthesis will come off and hit somebody. Six Flags isn't doing it to be a dick. They're following the manufacturer's rules. It's not their fault they can't alter the laws of physics.
 
2014-03-16 09:23:03 PM
Giving the money back probably would have been a smart move, but I don't think anybody can fault them for choosing the "six flags denies wounded vet from using roller coaster" headline over "unsafe ride kills wounded vet".
 
2014-03-16 10:36:28 PM
Six Flags EMPLOYEES to Wounded War Vet: You can't ride the roller coasters without "one functional leg and one functional arm," and you can't have your money back. But here are two free tickets in case you want to come back again .

 Six Flags MANAGEMENT to Wounded War Vet: Not all of our rides are safe for people with disabilities. If you would like to re-visit the park and enjoy the rest of the rides, here are two more passes. If this won't work for you, we'd be happy to give you a refund.


Fixed that for you, Subby. Try reading the farking article next time.
 
2014-03-16 10:48:42 PM

TheEdibleSnuggie: Molavian: Cheesehead_Dave: abhorrent1: The amusement park recommends that guests with special needs visit their website to review policies before visiting.

How about you just quit being dicks and let the guy go on the rides? Does that work for you?

/Why the fark do you need arms or legs to ride a roller coaster?

Because roller coasters occasionally have problems that require unloading trains in other places than the station. It's already a stressful situation having fully-limbed adults and kids walking on catwalks and down maintenance steps. They probably don't want the added liability of having to handle a rider that's missing a couple of limbs.

While this guy might have been capable of handling himself, many others possibly couldn't, so it's easier to have the policy applied to everyone rather that have to deal with it on a case-by-case basis.

Yeah, because I'm sure the land whales having heart attacks from walking down 5 stories are so much less likely to sue.

Okay, having worked in the amusement park business, in ride operations, for 5 years-- I have a bit of insight on this.  And these stories always piss me the hell off, because the ONLY intent of the story is to gin up all the mouth-breathing idiots who believe that vets should get carte blanche to do whatever they want because, "They made sacrifices you and I would never have to make."  Despite any shred of intelligent evidence against their claims.

While an individual park's policy does go a long way in establishing who is able to ride and who isn't...it's the ride manufacturer who decides what abilities the riders must have prior to boarding.  It's completely a liability issue from a ride manufacturer's standpoint.  The number of full (or partially) useful limbs determined by the ride manufacturer is the minimum amount required to successfully brace yourself and be contained within the restraining device to ensure a safe and successful ride experience for your average customer  throughout all phases ...


So you're telling me that rides that were designed for people half the weight today are still safe to ride?  Hell, most of the time the porkers don't even fit in their own damn seats.  What about the advanced prosthetics that many combat-injured vets today have that would allow them to parachute, fast-rope, and serve in combat?

Sorry if I don't bow to your vast experience as a carny.
 
2014-03-16 11:13:21 PM
I still can't process the part where someone wanted to get on a Boomerang.  Those things are for stupid teenagers and credit whores.
 
2014-03-17 12:20:48 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: No matter how silly my posts are, I can always count on at least a couple of people taking me seriously

/bless your hearts


You poor thing

/bless your AW heart
 
2014-03-17 12:28:25 AM
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2014-03-17 12:29:01 AM
Gotta side with Six Flags on this one. And, I don't think he's entitled to a refund. People go to theme parks every day that can't ride all the rides.
 
2014-03-17 01:15:42 AM
What a crybaby. He could have just taken his free tickets and come back with long pants, instead he literally cries. Like a little biatch.
 
2014-03-17 02:11:53 AM

Al!: SauronWasFramed: because no double amputee was ever flung to his death while riding a rollercoaster at 50 mph

This.  Although, as usual for the Daily Fail, that article is grossly incorrect.  I made it as far as "Syracuse."Darien Lake is in Darien Center, NY, some 4-5 hours drive from Syracuse.  It's a very short drive from Buffalo, which makes it even worse since Rochester is also quite a bit closer.  They couldn't even get the closest city right.


instinctmagazine.com
 
2014-03-17 09:16:27 AM

LessO2: Does anyone else think it's kind of stupid that the guy had to pay to enter the park in the first place?


Why is it "stupid"? There were plenty of other rides he could have gone on, Says right there in TFA,
 
2014-03-17 09:40:08 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: LessO2: Does anyone else think it's kind of stupid that the guy had to pay to enter the park in the first place?

Why? Clearly he fought for that business's right to maximize profit at any cost.

/should have at least had a hefty discount


A lot of companies jumped on the "discount to Vets" program without really knowing what a Vet is, or how many there actually are - they just took the black and white route and grouped them all together. This means their discount policies give the same weight to a Vet that spent 3 years in Texas for the educational benefits 35 years ago, as a 20 year retiree or a guy with 3 combat tours and an 80% disability. Surprisingly, (not really), when Vet discounts are given, all Vets will take advantage of them. I bet many companies were shocked that there are 21 million Vets is the US, many that always look for discounts, and by advertizing they killed the bottom line. This resulted in not saying much about a Vet discount if they had one, or just doing away with it - which hurts the Vet that probably deserves a discount.

Of course, the easy solution is heavily advertize a discount to disabled Vets only, but companies don't spend a lot of time figuring out ways to make less money.

A double amputee should always bring a ratchet strap to the theme park.
 
2014-03-17 06:41:41 PM
A veteran and double leg amputee was allowed on a Darien NY Theme Park roller coaster in 2011; he did not meet the height requirement without his prosthetic legs. He was thrown from the car and died when the restraint system failed because prosthetic legs are not the same weight as organic legs and they come off. Below the knee, above the knee is a silly argument, are we trusting carnival ride operators with medical decisions now?

When Jackel demanded his money back he had been denied access to one ride. The Six Flags rules state that certain body types and weights can be refused on some rides. I appreciate the service of all of those people who serve in the military. Employees should have called a customer service specialist the second Jackel became upset; they could have explained the rules and worked for a quick refund.
 
2014-03-17 08:23:20 PM

Mikey1969: LessO2: Does anyone else think it's kind of stupid that the guy had to pay to enter the park in the first place?

Why is it "stupid"? There were plenty of other rides he could have gone on, Says right there in TFA,


I worked at the local SF 3 years ago, in Admissions (the one at the Gate who scans your pass/ticket/whatever). Had a pregnant Indian woman (dot, not feather) come up with her kids. They get in fine, and she tells me she doesn't need a ticket since she's pregs and can't ride. Took both my supervisors to convince her we don't have that policy and that she needed a ticket. The kids were already gone into the park, and she wasn't thrilled about it, but the ticket booth was right behind her, so she buys one and goes in. Parks are more than rides. There are shows, events, etc. that your admission covers, and the water park was also an option (at my park, it's included with admission). I don't know of any chain that lets non-riders in free.
 
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