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2014-03-16 05:17:50 PM

shanrick: Laobaojun: Hey Westboro!

Matthew 6:5, bitiches!

I think the "out" from 6:5 is that it's about praying in private. Street preachers are preaching and that's different. Plus, they're nuts.


It starts with "do not be like the hypocrites", and I could never tell the difference between preaching and praying anyways.  Those pretentious,  arrogant pus buckets.
 
2014-03-16 05:18:55 PM
I sincerely pray that before he dies he can accept the true words of Jesus and love all.
 
2014-03-16 05:20:30 PM

Miss Alexandra: Interesting note: He's a registered Democrat.


Interesting note:  You have to remember that back when Freddy Boy was growing up, the ultra-regressive social conservatives were part of the Democratic party - AKA the dixiecrats.   The big change happened in the 60s, between a Papist getting elected president and Nixon actively courting the Dixiecrats to defect with the Southern Strategy.

The Dixiecrats are still around, now we just call them the Tea Party.
 
2014-03-16 05:20:30 PM
I believe I shall pour a bottle of the best bourbon on his grave.
I will just pass it through my kidneys first.
 
2014-03-16 05:30:25 PM
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2014-03-16 05:31:46 PM

Ringshadow: Just speculation that he's gay. Weirdest wishful thinking ever.


Not so wishful.   There is a documented correlation between extremely homophobic acts and rhetoric and repressed homosexual desires.   People like that want all the gays to go away because they see them as a source of temptation.   It also explains why they insist on viewing homosexuality as a lifestyle choice rather than a biological imperative -- they've chosen to suppress their genuine sexuality, but they can't admit (even to themselves) that's what's going on.   What they really mean is "I've chosen to live a lie, and that fact that you won't live the same lie frightens me".
 
2014-03-16 05:37:25 PM
Excuse me is this the party everyone has been talking about?
 
2014-03-16 05:38:46 PM

AMonkey'sUncle: I've quoted her before - Bette Davis upon hearing Joan Crawford had died: I was taught to always say good about someone. Joan Crawford has died. Good!


The one I heard was that she rushed up to a friend and said, "Did you hear?  The biatch is dead."  Upon realizing a Hollywood gossip reporter heard her say it, she turned to the reporter and said, "But she was always on time."
 
2014-03-16 05:44:41 PM

Colour_out_of_Space: I will not succumb to his message of hate.

Rest in Peace, hateful man.


Done in fifty three.
Never dance on a troll's grave, it gives the rest of them validation.
 
2014-03-16 05:52:28 PM

AcademGreen: What if we find out that in his last days he took a young man cabana boy into his heart and converted completely to teh gay in his final days.

The screenplay could become the next Brokeback Mountain... with wrinkly old man balls.

//He could be played by Charlton Heston
//Cabana boy could be Zac Efron Justin Bieber


FTFM
 
2014-03-16 05:53:08 PM
teenage mutant ninja rapist

Excuse me is this the party everyone has been talking about?


upload.wikimedia.org

Yes.
 
2014-03-16 06:10:21 PM

Camus' Ghost: Sounds like a good time to play some Slayer.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8TBGhqBf4A  ?
 
2014-03-16 06:21:36 PM
So this article sheds a little more light on things, though the "excommunication" is still sourced to Nathan Phelps.

So, why would Phelps be removed as leader?

1.  Simply that his health failed, and the "torch was passed."
2.  Power struggle within the church, which really means money struggles amongst its family members.
3.  Fred saw the error of his ways and renounced the horrors of their "church," which got him kicked out.  Nah, I don't buy that one.

And, a bonus conspiracy theory:  For whatever reason, the youngers wanted Fred out, so they poisoned him or withheld or faked his medications, and his health turned fast.
 
2014-03-16 06:29:48 PM
If he goes where I think he's going to go, he's going to be screaming Hail Satan out of both ends.

I hope his children enjoy his funeral. I hope it's ringed by squads of paired off, naked LGBTs rutting in joyous celebration.
 
2014-03-16 06:34:08 PM
He has done harm to many, he has elevated hate to an art, in himself, in his church and in his opposition. He has marred the face of Christianity(I am not a Christian, but I see it has potential). Still I do not wish suffering upon him, but rather I would have the scales fall from his eyes and have him live with regret.

Let him die quietly, let him be unmourned, but let's not forget the damage one man's hate can do.
 
2014-03-16 06:35:07 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: I hope his children enjoy his funeral. I hope it's ringed by squads of paired off, naked LGBTs rutting in joyous celebration.


GAY, FURRY SEX FOR EVERYBODY!

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2014-03-16 06:42:34 PM
I predict a gay protest that would rival any pride parade in San Francisco....:) I think Fred was probably a closeted homosexual. A guy talks about how he doesn't like gays once, yeah ok....talks about it more than once....ummmm oooookkkayyyy, a guy makes signs with gay sex on them....dicks are probably all he thinking about.  ps i hope St. Peter is flaming you hateful bastard.
 
2014-03-16 06:52:21 PM

JesusJuice: mudmin: FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.

True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.

That's really dumb.


Well the way I always think about it...if I'm wrong, I have nothing to lose by living a good life, trying to treat people right and follow the principles of the Bible. If you're wrong, you have everything to lose. One of us will be wrong and we won't know for sure until it's all sorted out in the end.
 
2014-03-16 06:54:00 PM
Just ignore his funeral. Let the dozen or so bigoted assholes who support him show up and see that no one else cares about him.

/Also ignore everything else these idiots do. They'd go away if we ignore them.
 
2014-03-16 06:54:27 PM
I would like to see a group with rainbow signs expressing condolences for their loss crash the funeral. Show the ones that aren't so steeped in the hate that there is more in life than who God hates the most this week.

Might cause or accelerate the implosion of that "church".

Don't give them something to use as propaganda to maintain a grip on the younger members. Gay people say their campaign for equality is all about the love. Be the better human beings and show them the love they preach doesn't exist.

Do something that will open their eyes and not give them a reason to close their minds and harden their hearts.
 
2014-03-16 07:01:28 PM

ciberido: mudmin: FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.

True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.

You might be right, if you define "true" Christians in such a way that 99% of Christians aren't "true."   The reality is that the overwhelming majority of Christians wrestle with doubt and fear at one point or another in their life.  You can play "no true Scotsman" with that if you like, but you might want to consider that you're not going to persuade many people that way.

I would suggest instead, if you want to be an apologist for Christianity, that you start by admitting its flaws, and copping to the many ways in which Christians tend to fall short of the ideals they (we) espouse.


I wasn't trying to be an apologist. Someone had a basic question about how Christians view death.  I didn't want to start unloading greek and hebrew on people.

I do think that huge percentages of people who call themselves Christians aren't and I think that Christians have caused themselves huge image problems in the world. They deserve (practically) every bit of it. Some of the most horrible people I know are pastors.

That said, if you want to know what Scripture teaches on salvation, I stand by my post.  Personally it doesn't matter if anyone agrees with it...I was just explaining it so people could understand what the "official" view is mainstream Christianity.

I know better than to use fark as an evangelism tool.
 
2014-03-16 07:03:58 PM

JesusJuice: mudmin: FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.

True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.

That's really dumb.


It is the only religion that I know of that has a purely faith based way to attain the better version of the afterlife.  Everything else is works based. I'm not trying to get people to believe it. Just explaining it for people who haven't studied it for themselves.
 
2014-03-16 07:20:41 PM
From wikipedia: " in the late 1980s, Fred Phelps witnessed a homosexual attempting to lure her then five-year-old son Joshua into some shrubbery. After several complaints to the local government about the large amount of homosexual sex occurring in the park, with no resulting action, the Phelpses put up signs warning of homosexual activity. This resulted in much negative attention for the family. When the Phelpses called on local churches to speak against the activity in Gage Park, the churches also lashed out against the Phelps family, leading to the family protesting homosexuality on a regular basis. " ... THATS WHY!
 
2014-03-16 07:21:47 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-16 07:24:35 PM
Not trolling. Dead serious.

I, for one, would like to apologize on behalf of the church for the horrible things done in the name of Christ. I'm sorry for the Crusades and for the Catholic Church selling indulgences to get people out of purgatory, for terrible pastors and priests, for Westboro (and every other church for that matter).

For thousands of years people have been doing things in the name of Jesus that don't represent Jesus.

As someone who has studied his life, I think Jesus is the kind of guy you'd love if you sat down and had a beer with him.  You'd find him frickin awesome. "Normal" people loved him. It was religious people who put him on the cross.  He even said 2000 years ago that people were going to do things in his name, but not really be followers...

From Matthew 7-  21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.  22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'  23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

That's what he thinks of Westboro and all those people.

The truth of the matter is that just like we've had to find space in our brains that not all Muslims are terrorists. Some are really nice people who just want to live their lives.  Not all Christians are douches who hate the world.

Jesus is a pretty cool guy and I wouldn't let some Christians ruin that for you.
 
2014-03-16 07:29:29 PM
I'm still surprised nobody has tried to murder him yet.  I shall enjoy his death, and hope it will be slow and painful.
 
2014-03-16 07:30:21 PM

hardinparamedic: TheShavingofOccam123: I hope his children enjoy his funeral. I hope it's ringed by squads of paired off, naked LGBTs rutting in joyous celebration.

GAY, FURRY SEX FOR EVERYBODY!

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Now what did you do that for?

QuickDirtyOS: From wikipedia: " in the late 1980s, Fred Phelps witnessed a homosexual attempting to lure her then five-year-old son Joshua into some shrubbery. After several complaints to the local government about the large amount of homosexual sex occurring in the park, with no resulting action, the Phelpses put up signs warning of homosexual activity. This resulted in much negative attention for the family. When the Phelpses called on local churches to speak against the activity in Gage Park, the churches also lashed out against the Phelps family, leading to the family protesting homosexuality on a regular basis. " ... THATS WHY!


Yeah, that doesn't sound made up at all.

/the churches would have ate up a "gays raping kids in the park" story without a second question, especially in the 80s.
 
2014-03-16 07:31:03 PM

Pattuq: I'm still surprised nobody has tried to murder him yet.  I shall enjoy his death, and hope it will be slow and painful.


Some time ago, a vet tried to go all Rambo on them, but he was caught before hand.
 
2014-03-16 07:32:20 PM
I hope he will have a traditional funeral and will be embalmed. They stick a big plastic screw way up there to prevent leakage.
 
2014-03-16 07:38:09 PM

girlygirlmpls: I hope he will have a traditional funeral and will be embalmed. They stick a big plastic screw way up there to prevent leakage.


Or stuff it with cotton and laceration glue.
 
2014-03-16 07:40:06 PM
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Wants to be the embalmer.
 
2014-03-16 07:45:28 PM

bigsteve3OOO: I sincerely pray that before he dies he can accept the true words of Jesus and love all.


I think there are exceptions to using the Lord's name in vain and blasphemy that a little wink of the eye and wiggle of the nose and *poof* forgiven doesn't really work on.  The guy has disgraced the religion and the people who follow it in the name of doing God's work.  I can't see that going unanswered.
 
2014-03-16 07:47:55 PM
 From wikipedia: " in the late 1980s, Fred Phelps witnessed a homosexual attempting to lure her then five-year-old son Joshua into some shrubbery. After several complaints to the local government about the large amount of homosexual sex occurring in the park, with no resulting action, the Phelpses put up signs warning of homosexual activity. This resulted in much negative attention for the family. When the Phelpses called on local churches to speak against the activity in Gage Park, the churches also lashed out against the Phelps family, leading to the family protesting homosexuality on a regular basis. " ... THATS WHY!

I think they used to picket homosexuality outside of the local Topeka VA...and the locals realized that they were kooks and did the rightful thing of ignoring them.  Seeing nobody was paying attention to them anymore they decided to be more brazing so they began the picketing of soldiers funerals.
 
2014-03-16 07:48:42 PM

FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.


The important thing to keep in mind is that the afterlife itself was not part of God's original plan. It was the ultimate Plan B -a way to try and make everything all right after a certain trio ruined it for everybody- but this life was supposed to be God's greatest gift to us. We cling to that gift, in no small part, to honor it: to avoid the mistakes our forebears made. We fight for it, up to the end, because even as marred as it has since become, it was still God's gift.
 
2014-03-16 07:52:04 PM
I'd celebrate his passing, but I'm better than him.

/Not much of a measuring stick.
 
2014-03-16 07:52:58 PM

mudmin: It is the only religion that I know of that has a purely faith based way to attain the better version of the afterlife. Everything else is works based. I'm not trying to get people to believe it. Just explaining it for people who haven't studied it for themselves.


Pure Land Buddhism is broadly similar on this, actually. Most sects of Buddhism aren't, though.
 
2014-03-16 07:54:26 PM

mudmin: Jesus is a pretty cool guy and I wouldn't let some Christians ruin that for you.


www.smsandquotes.com
 
2014-03-16 08:01:34 PM

mudmin: JesusJuice: mudmin: True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.

That's really dumb.

Well the way I always think about it...if I'm wrong, I have nothing to lose by living a good life, trying to treat people right and follow the principles of the Bible. If you're wrong, you have everything to lose. One of us will be wrong and we won't know for sure until it's all sorted out in the end.


So basically Pascal's Wager, in other words.
 
2014-03-16 08:03:21 PM

mudmin: ciberido: mudmin: FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.

True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.

You might be right, if you define "true" Christians in such a way that 99% of Christians aren't "true."   The reality is that the overwhelming majority of Christians wrestle with doubt and fear at one point or another in their life.  You can play "no true Scotsman" with that if you like, but you might want to consider that you're not going to persuade many people that way.

I would suggest instead, if you want to be an apologist for Christianity, that you start by admitting its flaws, and copping to the many ways in which Christians tend to fall short of the ideals they (we) espouse.

I wasn't trying to be an apologist.


Then, to be blunt, we should ignore you, as by your own admission, you aren't trying to engage us with reason.
 
2014-03-16 08:03:54 PM

ciberido: mudmin: JesusJuice: mudmin: True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.

That's really dumb.

Well the way I always think about it...if I'm wrong, I have nothing to lose by living a good life, trying to treat people right and follow the principles of the Bible. If you're wrong, you have everything to lose. One of us will be wrong and we won't know for sure until it's all sorted out in the end.

So basically Pascal's Wager, in other words.


Sure.
 
2014-03-16 08:12:30 PM

mudmin: Not trolling. Dead serious.

I, for one, would like to apologize on behalf of the church for the horrible things done in the name of Christ. I'm sorry for the Crusades and for the Catholic Church selling indulgences to get people out of purgatory, for terrible pastors and priests, for Westboro (and every other church for that matter).

For thousands of years people have been doing things in the name of Jesus that don't represent Jesus.

As someone who has studied his life, I think Jesus is the kind of guy you'd love if you sat down and had a beer with him.  You'd find him frickin awesome. "Normal" people loved him. It was religious people who put him on the cross.  He even said 2000 years ago that people were going to do things in his name, but not really be followers...

From Matthew 7-  21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.  22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'  23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

That's what he thinks of Westboro and all those people.

The truth of the matter is that just like we've had to find space in our brains that not all Muslims are terrorists. Some are really nice people who just want to live their lives.  Not all Christians are douches who hate the world.

Jesus is a pretty cool guy and I wouldn't let some Christians ruin that for you.


"Oh, hey, not trying to EVANGELIZE here.  Oh no, got tons of respect for other beliefs!  Just explainin' a little bit about how I see things, is that cool?  Yeah, seems like a lot of misconceptions about my buddy Jesus and, gosh darnit. I just wanna say "sorry" for all the phony Christians out there, and hope to set the record straight!  Nothing serious, just talkin' about ideas and stuff...

Hey listen if you're not doing anything next Sunday..."
 
2014-03-16 08:29:20 PM
Fuelled by hate, he was a vile creature who wasted his life spreading bigotry. People shouldn't picket his funeral, nor should they spare him a thought. He should simply be forgotten.
 
2014-03-16 08:29:57 PM

hotrod2001: bigsteve3OOO: I sincerely pray that before he dies he can accept the true words of Jesus and love all.

I think there are exceptions to using the Lord's name in vain and blasphemy that a little wink of the eye and wiggle of the nose and *poof* forgiven doesn't really work on.  The guy has disgraced the religion and the people who follow it in the name of doing God's work.  I can't see that going unanswered.


I think it'd be pretty cool if in his last days he experienced genuine repentance. If he realized what a horrible person he was, made a sincere apology to everyone he wronged, didn't ask for forgiveness because he was already beyond that, and denounced himself and his church. And then gave the remainder of his money to AIDS research. Because all of that would go against the very foundation of his cult and be a a big middle finger to his followers.
 
2014-03-16 08:31:06 PM
Late to the party, but I, for one, would spend what's left of my life's savings to hire the entire cast of Riverdance to dance on Fred Phelps' grave.
 
2014-03-16 08:37:17 PM

PunkTiger: Late to the party, but I, for one, would spend what's left of my life's savings to hire the entire cast of Riverdance to dance on Fred Phelps' grave.


forget it.
there won't be room after we install a handicap size, bottomless port-o-let on it.
 
2014-03-16 09:11:28 PM
Holy shiat, he got excommunicated?

That's double plus good
 
2014-03-16 09:12:40 PM

mudmin: JesusJuice: mudmin: FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.

True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.

That's really dumb.

Well the way I always think about it...if I'm wrong, I have nothing to lose by living a good life, trying to treat people right and follow the principles of the Bible. If you're wrong, you have everything to lose. One of us will be wrong and we won't know for sure until it's all sorted out in the end.


So I imagine you must follow all the other religions as well. Must be time consuming.
 
2014-03-16 09:18:42 PM
Can someone catch me up here, Fred was excommunicated from his church but his family members who have left the church are still kept from visiting him in hospice?
 
2014-03-16 09:29:26 PM
mudmin:

Well the way I always think about it...if I'm wrong, I have nothing to lose by living a good life, trying to treat people right and follow the principles of the Bible. If you're wrong, you have everything to lose. One of us will be wrong and we won't know for sure until it's all sorted out in the end.

Pascal's wager is possibly the stupidest reason to believe in a religion. It would be one thing if there was only one religion in the world but there are hundreds. What if there is a god, but you're devoutly worshipping the wrong one and just pissing him off more and more each time you go to church.

My personal plan is just try to make my way through this world causing as little misery as possible so that those around me and I can enjoy our time on this globe as much as possible. I'll deal with the afterlife when and if there is one and if there's a god we can discuss it then and if he's going to damn me to hell because I thought the ancient mythology of a bunch of flat-earth believing goat herders was silly, well, he's not the kind of god I'd want to worship anyway.
 
2014-03-16 09:36:46 PM

Ghastly: Pascal's wager is possibly the stupidest reason to believe in a religion. It would be one thing if there was only one religion in the world but there are hundreds. What if there is a god, but you're devoutly worshipping the wrong one and just pissing him off more and more each time you go to church.


It's worth noting that Pascal formulated his wager in an intellectual context where there really was only one religion under consideration (with a few different sects, perhaps, but they generally acknowledged one another as worshipping the same God). Nowadays the Tumblr crowd would have a field day with that, but such was the time and place he lived.
 
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