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2014-03-16 02:18:20 PM  
what would be the going cost for a brass band in that area?
 
2014-03-16 02:20:47 PM  

hej: Krustofsky: Still undefeated:

How do you figure? Phelps is like five hundred years old and dying a natural death. Never mind that he did more than enough procreating.


Basically, we're all gonna die, natural or otherwise. Bonus will be if it's a "Cut off the head, and the body will follow" scenario, but it's at least a start.
 
2014-03-16 02:21:31 PM  

bindlestiff2600: what would be the going cost for a brass band in that area?


to play a medley of show tunes and Queen songs.
 
2014-03-16 02:21:46 PM  
In other news, real estate values in the low--rent section of downtown Hell have just plummeted.

\\\ tacky, tacky.
 
2014-03-16 02:22:29 PM  
I'm guessing the whole "excommunicating" thing was what the Phelpses think is a Cunning Plan.

lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com

You see, when Fred finally croaks and lands ass-first on top of Satan's dick, everyone on Earth is going to celebrate. So, the Phelps Cult has shielded themselves and WILL say "Go ahead and celebrate. We excommunicated with him and we're celebrating too. Thanks for supporting us this way."

And then seven billion people will all go
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2014-03-16 02:23:25 PM  

bindlestiff2600: what would be the going cost for a brass band in that area?


Topeka? Just get some kids from the HS marching band to do it.

That being said, this is more sad than anything. Not that he's dying... we all die. What's sad is that a person can spend pretty much a lifetime embroiled in nothing but hate.

It's not too late to repent, Fred.
 
2014-03-16 02:23:25 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Because they are human and we are hard wired to survive.  Spiritually, I think it has to do with knowing that they are human and have not lived up to the standard that gets you into Heaven.  They fear at a very deep level that even though they tried, they are going to hell.


Christians, like me, who subscribe to the "faith and grace, not works" theology don't fear going to Hell. To them, they were guaranteed Heaven the instant they put their faith in Jesus. They don't fear being dead. However, it's that transition that's scary. We humans fear big changes, even when they are good. It's why people hate High School until that last month before they graduate, then they want to cherish every moment and are afraid of what it means to graduate and not come back. (Even if you are going to a much, much better place.)

I don't fear being dead. And if I could be guaranteed an instant, painless death, I'd be a lot happier. However, what I fear is the long, slow decline. My grandfather died of Alzheimer's and it's what I fear the most about dying: losing everything I am and waiting for death. I also fear that I haven't done enough, and that there's one more thing (at least) I still need to do. I'm not ready to punch my ticket quite yet and would like to put it off as long as possible. Plus, I'd hate to die suddenly and leave my wife alone. I'm sure she'll eventually move on, but it would suck for her, and I'd hate to do that to her.

So, yeah, it's not necessarily a contradiction or a lack of faith to not be wild about dying. In fact, Christians who are a little too eager to die make me nervous. Not to mention those whose retirement plans are "Being Raptured." I remember reading about the Christians who spent their life savings spreading the word about Rapture 2011. All of them were running from something in their lives and refusing to deal with their issues. They were eager for a way out, and then the worst happened. They were forced to continue living.

So having something to live for isn't a bad thing. Especially if you believe that you're doing good while here on Earth.
 
2014-03-16 02:25:42 PM  
The source of this information is a Facebook post by an estranged son.  If the veracity of this news story is similar to the algorithm that Facebook uses for ads and suggested pages, I don't know if I should believe this story or not.  I keep telling Facebook not to show me ads or pages related to online dating, and it still keeps showing them constantly.  As well as ads and pages for things I don't like.
So I am not getting my hopes up until some other news source can confirm this story in some way.

As a native Kansan, good riddance to him, if and when he shuffles off the mortal coil and joins the realm of the spirits.  If there is an afterlife, I'd like to know where he ends up.

Also, on the one hand, I think that the Kansas Legislature will do something like proclaim that Fred Phelps was not a representation of the true spirit of Kansas, and yet, on the other hand, pass a law promoting religious freedom (as in denying service to gays and lesbians) like Arizona.  Given the people in charge of Kansas right now, I wouldn't be too surprised.
 
2014-03-16 02:25:55 PM  
 
2014-03-16 02:29:36 PM  

TV's Vinnie: You see, when Fred finally croaks and lands ass-first on top of Satan's dick, everyone on Earth is going to celebrate. So, the Phelps Cult has shielded themselves and WILL say "Go ahead and celebrate. We excommunicated with him and we're celebrating too. Thanks for supporting us this way."


That, and if he's been excommunicated and divested of all of his things/holdings in his "church"...it makes for an easy probate after he's gone. Knowing these people, and their talent for abusing the law...this is probably nothing more than a legal ploy. I doubt he was excommunicated for "losing the faith"...more likely, this is simply their end strategy to avoid legally having to pay money, or risking the exposure of some fraud which could have been revealed during probate...another reason that comes to mind: if his estate has nothing the kids who left...have nothing to sue for when he croaks.
 
2014-03-16 02:31:26 PM  

DuoX: TV's Vinnie: You see, when Fred finally croaks and lands ass-first on top of Satan's dick, everyone on Earth is going to celebrate. So, the Phelps Cult has shielded themselves and WILL say "Go ahead and celebrate. We excommunicated with him and we're celebrating too. Thanks for supporting us this way."

That, and if he's been excommunicated and divested of all of his things/holdings in his "church"...it makes for an easy probate after he's gone. Knowing these people, and their talent for abusing the law...this is probably nothing more than a legal ploy. I doubt he was excommunicated for "losing the faith"...more likely, this is simply their end strategy to avoid legally having to pay money, or risking the exposure of some fraud which could have been revealed during probate...another reason that comes to mind: if his estate has nothing the kids who left...have nothing to sue for when he croaks.



I think you nailed it.
 
2014-03-16 02:32:21 PM  
Or...the everyone, including the gay communities, minorities and other people he pissed his special breed of vitriol all over, could send flowers and condolences to the family and loved ones proving that they understand the message of the bible and are closer to the concept of faith ol' Freddy claimed to have the lions share of.


Just sayin'.
 
2014-03-16 02:32:37 PM  
Actually, his son Nathan reports that Fred Phelps was excommunicated from Westboro Baptist in August, 2013.  There's no more information on the cause of excommunication, and it sounds like the church is not letting unapproved family members visit.

Fred Phelps created a monster, and we may be witnessing what happens when monster turn on their creator.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/16/1285133/-Fred-Phelps-of-Wes tb oro-Baptist-Protests-Near-Death
 
2014-03-16 02:33:10 PM  
God hates Freds
 
2014-03-16 02:34:13 PM  
Hopefully, his family-cult will slowly dissolve after his death. Westboro was down to 40 members and dropping, last time I heard. Shirley Phelps-Roper won't be able to keep the operation running without the figurehead, and then the remaining members can begin the cult-deprogramming process.
 
2014-03-16 02:37:53 PM  
This is how Fred Phelps must be feeling right now (with apologies to Weird Al Yankovic)

We've been together for so very long
But now things are changing, oh I wonder what's wrong?
Seems you don't want me around
The passion is gone and the flame's died down

I guess I lost a little bit of self-esteem
That time that you made it with the homosexual team
You used to think I was nice
Now you tell all your friends that I'm the Antichrist (HA HA HA)

Oh, why did you disconnect the brakes in my car?
That kind of thing is hard to ignore
Got a funny feeling you don't love me anymore

I knew that we were having problems when
You put those piranhas in my bathtub again
You're still the light of my life
Oh darling, I'm beggin', won't you put down that knife?

You know, I even think it's kinda cute the way
You poison my coffee just a little each day
I still remember the way that you laughed
When you pushed me down that elevator shaft

Oh, if you don't mind me asking, what's this poisonous cobra
Doing in my underwear drawer?
Sometime I get to thinking you don't love me any more

You slammed my face down on the barbecue grill
Now my scars are all healing, but my heart never will
You set my house on fire
You pulled out my chest hairs with an old pair of pliers

Oh, you think that I'm ugly and you say that I'm cheap
You shaved off my eyebrows while I was asleep
You drilled a hole in my head
Then you dumped me in a drainage ditch and left me for dead

Oh, you know this really isn't like you at all
You never acted this way before
Honey, something tells me you don't love me any more, oh no no
Got a funny feeling you don't love me anymore

And how much do I care about his wounded feelings?

Scientists have discovered many subatomic particles, but NONE have been found which are small enough to compare with the amount of compassion I have for this man.

///And none ever will
 
2014-03-16 02:38:47 PM  
I have to wonder if the dirty coonts will protest Phred's funeral, since they allegedly excommunicated him.
 
2014-03-16 02:42:03 PM  

FormlessOne: I'm ambivalent about his death. On the one hand, I believe that he's a reprehensible wretch, and as such his passing will not mean much to the world. On the other hand, I believe that his very vocal protests forced us to both ensure that the First Amendment remains inviolate and review how we as a society view LGBT folks. By calling attention to the clear hate still expressed by so many for LGBT folks, he may have, in fact and in a small way, precipitated the push for equality that we're now seeing.

I am gladdened by the fact that, if things keep going as they're going, he may live just long enough to see DOMA repealed. That warms my heart, to know on his deathbed that he lived long enough to see everything his hate and fear stood for, overturned, just as that hateful bastard croaks.


Yeah...just like the Soviet Union and Russia have turned the eternally squabbling and battling North European plain into a grand stretch of Kumbaya from the Rhine to the Dneiper.
 
2014-03-16 02:42:16 PM  
Sure this man was a creep that hurt many people.  But taking revenge and doing to him and his family what he did is not going to help.   Disrespecting his funeral will only legiitimise the tactics he used -- if they were wrong for him they are wrong for the rest of us too.  And if it okay for us to do it, then he was not wrong to use them himself.   It is an opportunity for those who this man attacked to show that they are bigger than he was.   And what is more, there are young children in that family.   If they see this being done to their grandpa it risk alienating them for life.  We want more, not less of these kids to drop out of this cult when they are of age.  Heck, it might even make it less likely that some of the adult members will leave.  Persecution often strengthens such cults.  Heck why do you think the religious right goes through such trouble to tell its sheep that they are persecuted?
 
2014-03-16 02:43:33 PM  

jaybeezey: Fred knew he was dying last year, and as the end drew nigh, he began to feel bad for what his life had become and wanted to make amends


So according to Christian doctrine, Phelps is going straight to heaven and all the gays he protested are going to burn.
 
2014-03-16 02:43:37 PM  

FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.


I would be an idiot if I deny that I fear death.  After all, it's the Ultimate Unknown.  So many possibilities.  But yes, in my Lutheran tradition, I will see death as the transformed passage to heaven.  Like you said, it will be a good end to Christians who by faith, lived a virtuous life.

When I face death, I will not boast of my good deeds.  I will not boast of my ability to garner a soupcon of faith.  In fact, I interpret faith as a Gift, not something I muster up via willpower.  Most likely, I will tell those around me that I am unworthy to enter through the Void we call death.  I will thank those for loving me and being a part of my life.  And I will pray that Jesus will have mercy on me.  I will be brave in the process. That is all I can do.
 
2014-03-16 02:44:46 PM  

grumpfuff: Miss Alexandra: Phelps and his bunch are just obnoxious.  They have no clue.

Interesting note:  He's a registered Democrat.

/doesn't like d OR r

And you doubt heliocentricity, your point?


Phelps is a most loyal Democrat.

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2014-03-16 02:45:13 PM  
I'm certainly no fan of the man, but for all the people who whine about his hate, they hardly seem like the loving types themselves.

But then, I've always found it weird that people who support homosexuals wish homosexuality on people as if it were a punishment.  Apparently, you can have it both ways.

/Please, no stupid jokes off of that last sentence.
//I can easily see the pun written there.
 
2014-03-16 02:46:25 PM  
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2014-03-16 02:50:44 PM  
The daughter's in charge now. When she goes, either to prison or the grave, the cult will implode.
 
2014-03-16 02:51:03 PM  
I say signs that say GOD HATES FRED would be in order at his funeral.
 
2014-03-16 02:52:50 PM  
In fact, I'd say that if you ever fantasized about crashing a funeral and doing ALL SORTS of outrageous, disrespectful shiat, Fred Phelps' funeral would be the one to do it at. The police will DEFINITELY be looking the other way, the courts will lose paperwork and err on your side, and everyone will essentially let you get away with whatever you want and they'll be laughing inside as you do it.
 
2014-03-16 02:53:28 PM  

06Wahoo: I'm certainly no fan of the man, but for all the people who whine about his hate, they hardly seem like the loving types themselves.

But then, I've always found it weird that people who support homosexuals wish homosexuality on people as if it were a punishment.  Apparently, you can have it both ways.

/Please, no stupid jokes off of that last sentence.
//I can easily see the pun written there.


You're not very bright, are you?
It's not the gay that's the punishment, it's the being cursed with the thing you hate.  He could have railed against blacks, and the punishment would be being reincarnated black.  Black itself isn't the punishment, it being what you hated.

But you already knew this and were just being obtuse because it's fun to act like you failed 7th grade.
 
2014-03-16 02:56:33 PM  
Phelps simply started the hateful cult, it's the crazy, horrific, mind-numbed arseholes that will continue it.  I've been through Hospice with my Dad, trust me, Phelps is being kept comfy and well cared for, that's the job of Hospice.  Such a hateful monster getting to spend his last days peacefully does seem so unfair, with all the hatred and pain he caused. The best way to bury him-NO MEDIA, NO PROTESTS, NO ONE GIVING A SINGLE DAMN.  Think of him for what he is-a piece of steaming dog shiat you purposefully avoid stepping in.
 
2014-03-16 02:57:08 PM  

Mugato: jaybeezey: Fred knew he was dying last year, and as the end drew nigh, he began to feel bad for what his life had become and wanted to make amends

So according to Christian doctrine, Phelps is going straight to heaven and all the gays he protested are going to burn.


Not really. Please elaborate using actual passages.
 
2014-03-16 02:57:31 PM  

06Wahoo: I'm certainly no fan of the man, but for all the people who whine about his hate, they hardly seem like the loving types themselves.


I don't think anyone here has claimed to be the "loving" type but there's a difference between hating a guy who hates everyone and a guy who hates everyone.

/it's not like he just protested funerals of gays

Anyway, for all the "God hates Fred" people, the guy managed to live pretty long.
 
2014-03-16 03:06:39 PM  
Time to work on my sign: "God loves all, even you." Then we can all pray for Phelps. If this awful being could find redemption before he goes, I could almost find myself actually believing in god again.
 
2014-03-16 03:08:42 PM  

soporific: As a Christian, I agree with you. I'm really struggling to reconcile my dislike for the WBC's actions with the idea that every person, even people like Phelps, deserve dignity. He is the person we're talking about when we say "I disagree with what you say but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it."

He's also the person Jesus was talking about when He said:
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."
"Turn the other cheek."
"Don't be a self-righteous dickbag." (I'm probably paraphrasing that last one, but who knows, I only know the various English translations

The point is, you are right that too many people who call themselves Christians have no idea, or don't care, what Jesus taught. Thank you for reminding me that it doesn't matter what kind of man Phelps was and is, it matters what kind of man I choose to be in response to him. I really appreciated your post.


eyemarten: Agreed.

Nice to see some humanity in here. Hate can turn the best of us astray.


Thanks for your kind words. It's all too easy to demonise people, and to say that they are somehow inhuman and different to the rest of us.

Like I say, I'm an atheist. But I do try to keep to the philosophy of treating others as I'd like to be treated, which certainly seems to be a central message of the bible as I was taught it as a child.

I just don't see the need for the God stuff, personally.

JohnnyC: iron de havilland: It's just a shame that so many people who call themselves Christians ignore the teachings of Christ.

It's about what I would expect from a fear based religion. Yeah, I've heard all the claims that it's all about "God's Love™" and all that... but having read more than one version of the bible, compared those to the early Greek translations, and even having read some of the 'books' that were cut out of the mainstream bibles (Biblical apocrypha), I've concluded that it is primarily a control through fear of punishment religion. So when people really dive into the depths of that religion, it doesn't surprise me at all that so many of them come out of it a bit warped... or at least the ones that take it seriously/literally.


You should study some history, and learn about the good stuff that religion has done over the years. People have certainly used it for evil, but take a look at the stained glass windows of York Minster. The art of Caravaggio, Dürer or Michelangelo. Islamic/Arabic science.

And, plenty churches also had a vested interest in education; teaching their flock to read so they could be closer to God.

There are far too many fundamentalist tendencies about these days, but to suggest that nothing good has ever come from religion is disingenuous.
 
2014-03-16 03:12:06 PM  

JohnnyC: iron de havilland: Well, it does show a level of sociopathy on your part that you can classify him as non-human.

I'm sure Fred Phelps is immensely comforted by you considering him one of your own.

Although you're probably kidding yourself. He probably thinks you're gay and hates you even as he draws his final, undeserved, breath.


At least Phelps doesn't think he's Swedish...
 
2014-03-16 03:14:53 PM  

lordjupiter: AspectRatio: loonatic112358: I'd like to see this group as a brief blip in human history that is forgotten by all.

This.

WHY?  Just so people can forget an unpleasant but very important lesson?  The answer to everything we don't like isn't "just ignore it and it will fade from history".


No, because they want the attention and to deny them that is the most effective thing you can do. These are people who revel in making people angry and make money by taking advantage of that anger. If when we as a nation look at this era and they're not recognized that is their hell. I know when discussing the era the activities and up oppositions of the Mormon church should be brought up reminding them of their interference in other states
 
2014-03-16 03:15:20 PM  

DoubleEcho88: Whar'sMuhWhiskey: [www.nndb.com image 229x300]
RIP Fred Phelps

You are bad and you should feel bad.


Oopsie!

upload.wikimedia.org



RIP Fred Phelps

 
2014-03-16 03:16:13 PM  
They're going to have to line his gravesite with porcelain, continuous running water and a sewer connection, or the cemetery will face fines for illegal disposal of sewage.
 
2014-03-16 03:18:43 PM  

Aquapope: 06Wahoo: I'm certainly no fan of the man, but for all the people who whine about his hate, they hardly seem like the loving types themselves.

But then, I've always found it weird that people who support homosexuals wish homosexuality on people as if it were a punishment.  Apparently, you can have it both ways.

/Please, no stupid jokes off of that last sentence.
//I can easily see the pun written there.

You're not very bright, are you?
It's not the gay that's the punishment, it's the being cursed with the thing you hate.  He could have railed against blacks, and the punishment would be being reincarnated black.  Black itself isn't the punishment, it being what you hated.



THIS^^ Like this line in the classic movie "Trading Places":
"Yeah. You know, it occurs to me that the best way you hurt rich people is by turning them into poor people."
- Billy Ray Valentine

For someone like the Koch brothers or Mitt Romney, their worst nightmare would be poverty... abject, soul grinding, taking the bus everywhere and paying the fare in pennies while living in a 20 year old broken down station wagon by the river, one meal a day from the dumpster poverty. For someone like this fetid asshole being reincarnated as a a homosexual and having to deal with all the sh*t he and other "christians" heaped upon gays during his lifetime wouldn't be adequate punishment, but a good start.
 
2014-03-16 03:19:15 PM  
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HE'S GETTING AWAY!!!!
 
2014-03-16 03:20:09 PM  
Hey Westboro!

Matthew 6:5, bitiches!
 
2014-03-16 03:20:51 PM  

MrHappyRotter: Camus' Ghost: Sounds like a good time to play some Slayer.


Wrong! Always got time for Slayer! And it is related to this story.

I think Dio would be appropriate as well.
 
2014-03-16 03:21:56 PM  

Earguy: I want to learn more about Fred being "excommunicated" from his own church.  Is this true?  Why?


Probably fell mouth first on a dick.

It can happen.
 
2014-03-16 03:23:19 PM  

soporific: Thank you for reminding me that it doesn't matter what kind of man Phelps was and is, it matters what kind of man I choose to be in response to him.


This.
 
2014-03-16 03:24:43 PM  

rewind2846: For someone like the Koch brothers or Mitt Romney, their worst nightmare would be poverty... abject, soul grinding, taking the bus everywhere and paying the fare in pennies while living in a 20 year old broken down station wagon by the river, one meal a day from the dumpster poverty. For someone like this fetid asshole being reincarnated as a a homosexual and having to deal with all the sh*t he and other "christians" heaped upon gays during his lifetime wouldn't be adequate punishment, but a good start.


For someone like the Koch Brothers or Romney, being poor is having to drive yourself to a public golf course and playing Pinnacles instead of Titleists.  And you have to wait a few moments when you call your broker because he's talking to another client.
 
2014-03-16 03:24:50 PM  

loonatic112358: lordjupiter: AspectRatio: loonatic112358: I'd like to see this group as a brief blip in human history that is forgotten by all.

This.

WHY?  Just so people can forget an unpleasant but very important lesson?  The answer to everything we don't like isn't "just ignore it and it will fade from history".

No, because they want the attention and to deny them that is the most effective thing you can do. These are people who revel in making people angry and make money by taking advantage of that anger. If when we as a nation look at this era and they're not recognized that is their hell. I know when discussing the era the activities and up oppositions of the Mormon church should be brought up reminding them of their interference in other states



And why do you think they get that reaction from people?  It's because society learns from such shenanigans and eventually vilifies it.  Those who don't learn that lesson either fall into groups like these that already exist or "rediscover" antiquated attitudes that have had their lack of appeal glossed over by time.

Society is a petry dish for human nature.  This kind of hatred and ignorance won't simply vanish.  We need to build up immunity to this kind of thing by attacking it when exposed to it.  When you stop vaccinating it allows old diseases to take hold and become epidemic.

I can understand why people think "hey, just don't give them what they want" but then you're locked into a behavior that they can also plan for and take advantage of.  We should not be held hostage to their expectations of pacifism which, from I can tell, haven't done shiat when it comes to keeping jerks like this from getting tracting in the first place.
 
2014-03-16 03:26:56 PM  
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2014-03-16 03:31:11 PM  

reubendaley: images4.wikia.nocookie.net

HE'S GETTING AWAY!!!!


FTFY
 
2014-03-16 03:32:34 PM  

Marine1: It's not too late to repent, Fred.


Unless all of his progeny choose to do so as well, it is already too late. His seed's been sown.
 
2014-03-16 03:32:59 PM  
I think he should go like bin Laden. Line everybody up, let them empty a few mags of 5.56 into the body, then unceremoniously dump it into the ocean.
 
2014-03-16 03:35:25 PM  

06Wahoo: I'm certainly no fan of the man, but for all the people who whine about his hate, they hardly seem like the loving types themselves.


So condemning the sort of hateful bile that got Matthew Shepard tied to a fence is "whining".

Yes yes, both sides are just as bad but the important thing is you've found a way to feel superior to both.

/pat pat on the head.
 
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