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2014-03-16 01:27:21 PM  
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2014-03-16 01:27:58 PM  

iron de havilland: JohnnyC: iron de havilland: Well, it does show a level of sociopathy on your part that you can classify him as non-human.

I'm sure Fred Phelps is immensely comforted by you considering him one of your own.

He is a human being. He's not "one of my own" insofar as his hatemongering goes, but I'm quite happy knowing that I'm a better man than he.

But, he deserves all the rights accorded to all people.

Although you're probably kidding yourself. He probably thinks you're gay and hates you even as he draws his final, undeserved, breath.

He's free to do that, as I'm free to think him a terrible person.

It's just a shame that so many people who call themselves Christians ignore the teachings of Christ.

/Atheist.


As a Christian, I agree with you. I'm really struggling to reconcile my dislike for the WBC's actions with the idea that every person, even people like Phelps, deserve dignity. He is the person we're talking about when we say "I disagree with what you say but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it."

He's also the person Jesus was talking about when He said:
"Love your neighbor as yourself."
"Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you."
"Turn the other cheek."
"Don't be a self-righteous dickbag." (I'm probably paraphrasing that last one, but who knows, I only know the various English translations

The point is, you are right that too many people who call themselves Christians have no idea, or don't care, what Jesus taught. Thank you for reminding me that it doesn't matter what kind of man Phelps was and is, it matters what kind of man I choose to be in response to him. I really appreciated your post.
 
2014-03-16 01:28:10 PM  
A troll, posting in a troll thread about a troll.  I've seen this movie, a handful of spoofs of it, and several thousand puns based around the title.
 
2014-03-16 01:30:13 PM  
At the end of the day, he made the choices he made of his own free will - whether it was a sincerely held belief or attention whoring, he said what he said and he did what he did.

I don't think I'll feel the vengeful satisfaction some of you do, but I will not mourn him, nor feel an excessive amount of pity for his current situation.

He made his bed of hate, and now he lies in a hospital, despised and alone. He has earned the reaction he is getting.
 
2014-03-16 01:30:48 PM  

Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?


The more cynical answer is that Christians fear death as much as anyone else, which wouldn't be the case if we REALLY believed all that stuff about going to Heaven without any doubt.  You can of course consider this evidence that Christianity is a sham and Christians have no more peace or serenity than anyone else.

The more official answer is that Christians still have a job to do on this Earth before we die and not trying to stay alive (unless it's to sacrifice your life in some meaningful way) is dereliction of duty.

Many sects of Christianity teach that suicide is a sin.  Again, the logic given ranges from "dereliction of duty" to "destroying God's gift of life."

As with so many things, there are explanations/justifications that are congruent with Christianity being true and powerful, and there are explanations/justifications that are congruent with Christianity being a load of hooey.
 
2014-03-16 01:31:32 PM  
I wish I could see the look on his face when he sees what's waiting for him....or something.
 
2014-03-16 01:31:56 PM  

Serious Black: I'd love to know what Fred did to get excommunicated from Westboro.


Had second thoughts once he realized he may be headed for eternal sodomy.
 
2014-03-16 01:32:17 PM  

rewind2846: Or, he can just be reincarnated as a flamboyantly gay male in flyover country.


Interesting how much of flyover country is legalizing gay marriage before the coasts, huh?
 
2014-03-16 01:33:29 PM  
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2014-03-16 01:34:36 PM  

Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?


Yes, indeed. Hurry up and join your beloved Jeebus, "Reverend" Phelps.
 
2014-03-16 01:34:45 PM  

mudmin: FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.

True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.


That's really dumb.
 
2014-03-16 01:35:22 PM  
www.lawzone.com

Your mission,  should you choose to accept it....


/ I got the wrong Mr. Phelps I guess.  LOL
 
2014-03-16 01:35:38 PM  

Tillmaster: MaudlinMutantMollusk: He can finally come out of the closet now

Maybe that's why he was excommunicated.


I had read that

/it would explain a number of things
 
2014-03-16 01:36:02 PM  
" have never wished death upon anyone, but I have read some obituaries with great satisfaction."

- Mark Twain
 
2014-03-16 01:36:05 PM  
How's Jack Chick feeling?
 
2014-03-16 01:36:16 PM  
I imagine he was told last August that he has 6 or so months to live, and he thought "damn, can't go to the pearly gates being a hateful douchebag".  He said something to his flock like "hey let's dial back the hate a little" and his retard daughter freaked out and excommunicated him.  Now he's dying in a hospice and hoping god and the angels aren't keeping track real well.

Personally, I hope there's a stupendously gay dude working at that hospice and he brings his boyfriend into work late one night and the have horrifically crazy butt-sex above him with santorum dripping down all over face.  Then they lick it off and kiss it into his mouth.  But that's just me.  Maybe you're a little more forgiving, but I remember him protesting me when I worked at the Topeka Civic Theater.  I'm not even gay, but I'd suck a dick if it would make his heart stop.
 
2014-03-16 01:36:30 PM  
I would like to see a gay March on his grave with gay sex and wiping Santorum on his headstone.

Ok, I don't want to SEE that. Just want it to happen.
 
2014-03-16 01:36:45 PM  
Good riddance to bad rubbish. This is what the scumbag did to his own sons...Warning, it may make you sick to read it. Why didn't this scumbag go to jail for what he did!

Addicted to Hate: The Fred Phelps Story
Chapter Two: Daddy's Hands
Mark Phelps feels nauseated whenever he remembers that night. He was hit over 60 times and his brother, Nate, over 200 with a mattock handle. Nate went into shock. Mark didn't. A boy who became a compulsive counter to handle the stress, Mark counted every stroke. His and Nate's. While their father screamed obscenities and his brother screamed in pain. Every 20 strokes, their mother wiped their faces off in the tub. Nate passed out anyway. That was Christmas Day.
Though he believes he should be the next governor of Kansas, Pastor Phelps has never believed in Christmas. A mattock is a pick-hoe using a wooden handle heavier than a bat. Fred swung it with both hands like a ballplayer and with all his might. "The first blow stunned your whole body," says Mark. "By the third blow, your backside was so tender, even the lightest strike was agonizing, but he'd still hit you like he wanted to put it over the fence. By 20, though, you'd have grown numb with pain. That was when my father would quit and start on my brother. Later, when the feeling had returned and it hurt worse than before, he'd do it again. "After 40 strokes, I was weak and nauseous and very pale. My body hurt terribly. Then it was Nate's turn. He got 40 each time. "I staggered to the bathtub where my mom was wetting a towel to swab my face. Behind me, I could hear the mattock and my brother was choking and moaning. He was crying and he wouldn't stop." The voice in the phone halts. After an awkward moment, clearing of throats, it continues: "Then I heard my father shouting my name. My mom was right there, but she wouldn't help me. It hurt so badly during the third beating that I kept wanting to drop so he would hit me in the head. I was hoping I'd be knocked out, or killed...anything to end the pain. "After that...it was waiting that was terrible. You didn't know if, when he was done with Nate, he'd hurt you again. I was shaking in a cold panic. Twenty-five years since it happened, and the same sick feeling in my stomach comes back now..." Did he? Come back to you?
"No. He just kept beating Nate. It went on and on and on. I remember the sharp sound of the blows and how finally my brother stopped screaming... "It was very quiet. All I could think of was would he do that to me now. I could see my brother lying there in shock, and I knew in a moment it would be my turn. "I can't describe the basic animal fear you have in your gut at a time like that. Where someone has complete power over you. And they're hurting you. And there is no escape. No way out. If your mom couldn't help you...I can't explain it to anyone except perhaps a survivor from a POW camp." Last year, Nate Phelps, sixth of Pastor Phelps' 13 children, accused his father of child abuse in the national media.
 
2014-03-16 01:39:44 PM  
I hope this shiatstain dies alone, afraid, and in unimaginable agony while the people he created to be hateful farks like himself ignore him, having excommunicated him already.  I hope he gets to his Heaven and his god says, "I know thee not."  I hope he is cast into eternal torment, as his religion says those who do such things will be.

I think the appropriate response is for the Gay Men's Chorus of Topeka to appear at the funeral and sing hymns.  Ignore the bile and the hatred and the screaming relatives.  Be respectful, be polite, and give your Fark You to Phelps through being better than that.
 
2014-03-16 01:39:59 PM  
I have to say, so far this thread has given me hope for humanity. Everyone's arguing about the appropriate response to the (allegedly imminent) death of Phelps. Well, of COURSE we're arguing, this is Fark, after all.

But unless i missed it somewhere, not a single post has been in support of Phelps's/WBC's actions or "beliefs". Good on ya, farkers.
 
2014-03-16 01:40:35 PM  
lol, this thread reminds me of when people say, "I'm not racist, but...".
 
2014-03-16 01:41:10 PM  

Skunkwolf: TV's Vinnie: If this rumor is true, remember what I said to you Fark Mods. On that glorious day, just call in sick. Don't even bother to try moderating. There's simply going to be no damn way you can hold back the Tsunami of Schadenfreude that's going to slam through Fark like a Praxis Effect.

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[www.stardestroyer.net image 640x321]

Always bugged me how they produced and distributed energy in the age of fusion and warp reactors. In a box? energoncube.jpg


Always bugged me that the wave would be exactly on the plane that the Excelsior lay, so that it had to ride through the energy rather than simply ascend or descend on its Y axis to get out of the way. Space is 3 dimensional, as seen in Wrath of Khan and the later star trek movies...
I won't even ask why the energy from an explosion like that didn't radiate outwards in all directions...
Anyway fark Phelps!
/minor threadjack
 
2014-03-16 01:41:59 PM  

reveal101: The most appropriate  response to this man's death is not a protest but a party. A giant, loud, obnoxious celebration that drowns out the cries of the family mourning this piece of shiat as they tried to drown out the cries of the mourners of the countless families they protested.


He's still a human being, and he still has people who will mourn his death.  Act with a little compassion and don't mock their pain.
 
2014-03-16 01:42:20 PM  

www.nndb.com


RIP Fred Phelps

 
2014-03-16 01:43:27 PM  

iron de havilland: It's just a shame that so many people who call themselves Christians ignore the teachings of Christ.


It's about what I would expect from a fear based religion. Yeah, I've heard all the claims that it's all about "God's Love™" and all that... but having read more than one version of the bible, compared those to the early Greek translations, and even having read some of the 'books' that were cut out of the mainstream bibles (Biblical apocrypha), I've concluded that it is primarily a control through fear of punishment religion. So when people really dive into the depths of that religion, it doesn't surprise me at all that so many of them come out of it a bit warped... or at least the ones that take it seriously/literally.
 
2014-03-16 01:46:19 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I hope this shiatstain dies alone, afraid, and in unimaginable agony while the people he created to be hateful farks like himself ignore him, having excommunicated him already.  I hope he gets to his Heaven and his god says, "I know thee not."  I hope he is cast into eternal torment, as his religion says those who do such things will be.

I think the appropriate response is for the Gay Men's Chorus of Topeka to appear at the funeral and sing hymns.  Ignore the bile and the hatred and the screaming relatives.  Be respectful, be polite, and give your Fark You to Phelps through being better than that.


That would be a perfectly poetic response, better even than pretending he never existed.
 
2014-03-16 01:46:48 PM  
Sounds like a good time to play some Slayer.
 
2014-03-16 01:49:46 PM  

MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.


Isn't that true for most organized religions?

/ not sure about Buddhism or Judaism about this topic...
 
2014-03-16 01:50:13 PM  

mudmin: FormlessOne: MooseUpNorth: Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?

Think about it. The entire Christian faith is centered around convincing themselves there's eternal life after death and how to make it pleasant rather than horrific. It's always been about the fear of dying. Christians cling to life because they're terrified not to.

It's an odd paradox - Christians have been repeatedly assured, through their faith, that leading a good Christian life assures them an eternity of Heaven. You'd think that good Christians would not fear death, but embrace a good death as the rewarding end to a virtuous life.

Kind of makes you wonder just how much faith these folks have in their own religion, honestly.

True Christians don't fear death and do embrace it...but not as a reward for a virtuous life (that would be based on works)...but as a reward for coming to grips that as humans they are utterly without virtue and accepting Christ and allowing him to become their virtue.


You might be right, if you define "true" Christians in such a way that 99% of Christians aren't "true."   The reality is that the overwhelming majority of Christians wrestle with doubt and fear at one point or another in their life.  You can play "no true Scotsman" with that if you like, but you might want to consider that you're not going to persuade many people that way.

I would suggest instead, if you want to be an apologist for Christianity, that you start by admitting its flaws, and copping to the many ways in which Christians tend to fall short of the ideals they (we) espouse.
 
2014-03-16 01:52:06 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I hope this shiatstain dies alone, afraid, and in unimaginable agony while the people he created to be hateful farks like himself ignore him, having excommunicated him already.  I hope he gets to his Heaven and his god says, "I know thee not."  I hope he is cast into eternal torment, as his religion says those who do such things will be.

I think the appropriate response is for the Gay Men's Chorus of Topeka to appear at the funeral and sing hymns.  Ignore the bile and the hatred and the screaming relatives.  Be respectful, be polite, and give your Fark You to Phelps through being better than that.


That is a very easy way to view him and perhaps he deserves it. I felt that way about him for most of the time I have known of him.  At the end, I hope he realizes the error of his way and saved. I hope a homosexual helped treat him in his final hours or that a homosexual's blood was used to save him in a transfusion.  I hope he can see he was wrong.

Do I think that will happen?  No. But I'm starting to see how important it is for all us to rise above the filth and hate of our enemies.
 
2014-03-16 01:52:36 PM  

stonelotus: lol, this thread reminds me of when people say, "I'm not racist, but...".


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Oh, do go on.
 
2014-03-16 01:52:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: It's nice to have some good news after losing Newman


From Seinfeld?
 
2014-03-16 01:53:43 PM  

Camus' Ghost: Sounds like a good time to play some Slayer.


i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-16 01:54:09 PM  

Private_Citizen: I hope the devil wears him like a condom while sodomising the gayest demon in Hell.


www.wnd.com

What the gayest demon in Hell might look like.
 
2014-03-16 01:54:16 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

Goodnight, Jayhawk-man.
 
2014-03-16 01:55:13 PM  

Tenga: I'll never understand, why do Christians cling to life?


Because they are human and we are hard wired to survive.  Spiritually, I think it has to do with knowing that they are human and have not lived up to the standard that gets you into Heaven.  They fear at a very deep level that even though they tried, they are going to hell.
 
2014-03-16 01:57:20 PM  

AthensBoy: [www.elephantjournal.com image 420x295]

Am I doing this right?


No.  It should have said "The Prophets Hate Jedi."
 
2014-03-16 01:57:46 PM  
To all of you wishing Fred Phelps have a long and painful death, may I just point out that dying in Kansas is punishment enough, and we can move on hating our true enemy, which is Karl Rove.
 
2014-03-16 01:59:48 PM  

FormlessOne: I'm ambivalent about his death. On the one hand, I believe that he's a reprehensible wretch, and as such his passing will not mean much to the world. On the other hand, I believe that his very vocal protests forced us to both ensure that the First Amendment remains inviolate and review how we as a society view LGBT folks. By calling attention to the clear hate still expressed by so many for LGBT folks, he may have, in fact and in a small way, precipitated the push for equality that we're now seeing.

I am gladdened by the fact that, if things keep going as they're going, he may live just long enough to see DOMA repealed. That warms my heart, to know on his deathbed that he lived long enough to see everything his hate and fear stood for, overturned, just as that hateful bastard croaks.


I think you have a point. Most people that oppose gay marriage ( I think) don't hate and loathe members of the LGBT community. Not the way Phelps does. They will look at a wretched old hick like him and ask if they are really on the right side.  If anything, I think he helped force the issue into the mainstream consciousness. I hope he makes this connection before he is no more.
 
2014-03-16 02:03:16 PM  

ciberido: reveal101: The most appropriate  response to this man's death is not a protest but a party. A giant, loud, obnoxious celebration that drowns out the cries of the family mourning this piece of shiat as they tried to drown out the cries of the mourners of the countless families they protested.

He's still a human being, and he still has people who will mourn his death.  Act with a little compassion and don't mock their pain.


getaloadofthisguy.jpg
 
2014-03-16 02:03:36 PM  

Miss Alexandra: Phelps and his bunch are just obnoxious.  They have no clue.

Interesting note:  He's a registered Democrat.

/doesn't like d OR r


And you doubt heliocentricity, your point?
 
2014-03-16 02:03:46 PM  

Whar'sMuhWhiskey: [www.nndb.com image 229x300]
RIP Fred Phelps


You are bad and you should feel bad.
 
2014-03-16 02:08:29 PM  

grumpfuff: And you doubt heliocentricity, your point?


I love that, no matter what the thread topic is about, no matter how absurd the positions that  Miss Alexandra takes, this always gets brought up and makes me laugh.

I love you, FARK.
 
2014-03-16 02:11:23 PM  

I disagreed with his politics, his religious stance and his tactics. But what I didn't like the most was his family was basically destroyed by him. I know what it's like to have an entire extended family held prisoner by a religious rigid autocrat. When he passed at 95, the whole family scattered to the winds, some couldn't put enough geography between.


Now the farm land was sold, warehouses stand there, all the houses torn down.


I



I hope the family heals. I mean this with all sincerity.
 
2014-03-16 02:12:30 PM  
www.boomtron.com

"His contract's nearly up."
 
2014-03-16 02:12:37 PM  

iron de havilland: JohnnyC: iron de havilland: Well, it does show a level of sociopathy on your part that you can classify him as non-human.

I'm sure Fred Phelps is immensely comforted by you considering him one of your own.

He is a human being. He's not "one of my own" insofar as his hatemongering goes, but I'm quite happy knowing that I'm a better man than he.

But, he deserves all the rights accorded to all people.

Although you're probably kidding yourself. He probably thinks you're gay and hates you even as he draws his final, undeserved, breath.

He's free to do that, as I'm free to think him a terrible person.

It's just a shame that so many people who call themselves Christians ignore the teachings of Christ.

/Atheist.


Agreed.

Nice to see some humanity in here. Hate can turn the best of us astray.

/WBC saddens me greatly
//Lives in Topeka so I get to be exposed to it constantly
 
2014-03-16 02:13:44 PM  

Mart Laar's beard shaver: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 684x452]

Goodnight, Jayhawk-man.


Meanwhile, in Missouri...

media3.s-nbcnews.com
 
2014-03-16 02:13:48 PM  

Aquapope: Personally, I hope there's a stupendously gay dude working at that hospice and he brings his boyfriend into work late one night and the have horrifically crazy butt-sex above him with santorum dripping down all over face.  Then they lick it off and kiss it into his mouth.

That seems a little excessive, even for a professional hatemonger like Fred Phelps.

WeenerGord: Good riddance to bad rubbish. This is what the scumbag did to his own sons...Warning, it may make you sick to read it. Why didn't this scumbag go to jail for what he did!


I've changed my mind.  Now I can think of no punishment too extreme for him.
 
2014-03-16 02:14:50 PM  
That's some weird indentation on my later comment.
 
2014-03-16 02:15:46 PM  
Is he dead yet?
 
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