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2014-03-16 01:47:27 PM  

cantsleep: Still no reason to scoff, IMO. One of mankinds base urges is to protect yourself and your family. I see these people as doing what they feel they can to do just that.
/ not a prepper


Fair enough. But what separates mankind from other large animals that also want to protect themselves and their family? Here is the answer, and it is not just my opinion, it is our human capacity to "know thyself" hence our species name Homo sapiens.

The deniers who want you to ignore very obvious paths that would avoid collapse may be very bad people. There, I said it.
 
2014-03-16 01:48:44 PM  

Acravius: If we could work together for as long each year that we spend trying to kill each other on Call of Duty, most of these issues would already be fixed.

Between 2010 and 2013, humanity spent a collective 213 million years playing Call of Duty in it's many variations. I am not singling out COD, I am sure that millions of years of collective time was spent commuting to and from work, talking on the internet, and playing other video games during those three years.

I'm not saying that the time wasn't time well spent, because real people weren't being hurt, it's just that we seem to have a lot of human resources that aren't being valued very well if it was more utilitarian to shoot at avatars for all that time, than go out and do the very small (in comparison) steps it would take to stop hurting our world's ecosystem.

img.fark.net
hmm those numbers seem low.
 
2014-03-16 01:54:31 PM  

Cuchulane: StokeyBob: I'm not sure if it would help stop an industrial collapse but I'm pretty sure stopping the fake money presses would help reel in government agency's and corral them back in to their jurisdictions...

bring jobs back.

All money is inherently fake, even when it's based on useless lumps of yellow metal. It's as real as we universally agree it is.It's not a problem unless you get a bunch of uneducated idiots elected to government that don't understand world economies and do everything they can to undermine our countries good credit. All because they think world governments run like personal checking accounts.
Unfortunately, one of the core functions of capitalism is to destroy jobs and lower purchasing power in it's eternal motive to reduce costs. It's inherently self destructive.


Capitalism shouldn't be sold out to socialism by those that have no money, borrowing from those that have none, and transferring the debt over to an unsuspecting public through inflation and bonded servitude.
 
2014-03-16 01:57:14 PM  
Sometimes, I think that we should just burn down the world for the insurance money and start over. But, it doesn't matter, because; we're all doooooomed.
 
2014-03-16 02:03:29 PM  

Acravius: Superconductive grid can store energy up to baud transmission capacities


Er... what? The superconductors we have right now require liquid-nitrogen-ish temperatures and have limited current-carrying capacities. Building even a mile-long transmission line and keeping it at 138K (highest claimed critical temp as of a tiny net search, roughly -211 F) would be insanely expensive. And there are hundreds of thousands of miles of transmission lines in just the USA. (And what did you mean by that last bit? "Level transitions per second transmission capacities" doesn't make much sense.)

Reduce the sprawl of the cities into small 1, 2 or 3 square mile 500, 2000, and 9000 respectively vertical 30 to 50 story buildings

Telling everybody that they have to move into a small apartment in an arcology will go over really well. The only way that people would do this willingly would be if living in this hypothetical mega-apartment was a lot better than living in a 3-bedroom house in a suburb. This is possible--it'd just be difficult to do.

Vertical farming, more solar plants, and more wind turbines sound like good ideas though.
 
2014-03-16 02:06:53 PM  

steveGswine: They named the model...  HANDY?  It's HANDY that's telling us this?


I expected all the Fark comments to be about this seeming like a HANDY-job or a job for Handi-Man.
 
2014-03-16 02:08:05 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Nightjars: What's the mother of invention?  I can't remember..

You can't drive a truck off a cliff and expect to invent a hang glider on the way down.


This gets the rare "smart" and "funny" double-vote.
 
2014-03-16 02:08:06 PM  

FormlessOne: In other words, this isn't a problem out of which you can simply invent your way. Oddly enough, less, not more, is the solution here, but no one wants to hear that, not in a culture that values materialism and conspicuous consumption as its cornerstone.


It's not just a set of popular cultural values that drives this, it's the very nature of a capitalist economy - the increasing profit that drives growth requires expanding markets, increased resource exploitation, and improved efficiency. Shockingly, this is not sustainable.
 
2014-03-16 02:09:14 PM  

Click Click D'oh: FormlessOne: *sticks fingers in years, shouts "LALALALALALALA" to drown out scary things...*

Where did I say such things shouldn't be studied?  I didn't, so go light your strawman on fire.

NASAs mandate is to shoot people and things into space in the name of science and conduct kick arse atmospheric research, not sociology and economics. We've got other people for that.  If NASA doesn't want to do it's job, it's time to defund them.


When NASA detects a high potential of extreme weather emergencies caused by climate change--which, thanks to their research on other planets, they  have experience studying--they are entirely within their jurisdiction to find the root cause and propose solutions. That was the entire point of the article--we're going to kill ourselves via climate change because of how our society is set up, with a list of potential catastrophes. TFA just dramatized the stuff about the root cause.
 
2014-03-16 02:09:49 PM  

iheartscotch: Sometimes, I think that we should just burn down the world for the insurance money and start over. But, it doesn't matter, because; we're all doooooomed.


Earth missing in flight. More after this word. This is CNN.
 
2014-03-16 02:10:59 PM  
What I don't understand is why any of you greenies are using a computer for recration purposes? You are being beyond wasteful and selfish and should cease doing so immediately. GTFO
 
2014-03-16 02:12:36 PM  

StokeyBob: Cuchulane: StokeyBob: I'm not sure if it would help stop an industrial collapse but I'm pretty sure stopping the fake money presses would help reel in government agency's and corral them back in to their jurisdictions...

bring jobs back.

All money is inherently fake, even when it's based on useless lumps of yellow metal. It's as real as we universally agree it is.It's not a problem unless you get a bunch of uneducated idiots elected to government that don't understand world economies and do everything they can to undermine our countries good credit. All because they think world governments run like personal checking accounts.
Unfortunately, one of the core functions of capitalism is to destroy jobs and lower purchasing power in it's eternal motive to reduce costs. It's inherently self destructive.

Capitalism shouldn't be sold out to socialism by those that have no money, borrowing from those that have none, and transferring the debt over to an unsuspecting public through inflation and bonded servitude.


Exactly, public services should be privatized and consumers forced to pay for what they use, and if they need to borrow against assets (or against their future income) to do so, that's just market forces about to work at making people into rational calculators of cost and benefit. That way you and I won't have to fork over our hard earned money in taxes to support those that refuse to need less, and those that continue to live beyond their means can reasonably and justifiably wind up as debt-slaves, just like it used to be in the good old days.
 
2014-03-16 02:14:11 PM  
Almost all finite resources we currently use have current or near future renewable replacements, except for a very few like helium. Almost everything we do can be done for the next 100 million years. Over-population is the only reasonable mechanism that might cause problems, but we can solve that One Child per Family style.

The sky is not falling.
 
2014-03-16 02:15:40 PM  

Destructor: NASA: More space ships, less economic guesses. FOCUS.


Right.  Because to badly paraphrase Farker lawson's comment: it'll be great when the distant colony we establish at the cost of trillions of dollars collapses because the colonists fight over the proper cost of a Mars Bar.

/get it?  Mars Bar?
//NASA thinks of freaking everything in their planning
///except O-rings and missing chunks of tiling apparently
////even NASA is human
 
2014-03-16 02:20:04 PM  
Which NASA?

This one

writingjunkie.net

or this one?

www.nasa.gov
 
2014-03-16 02:23:17 PM  
Dances with Crows
The 15,000 mile superconductive loop would connect along the major highways all of 300 major cities in America.
 According to these companies they have the technology to make Superconductive wires at liquid nitrogen temperatures, and the technology to keep componentry at those temperatures for long periods of time in realtime electrical transmission.

http://www.suptech.com/locations_austin.php

http://www.hypres.com/

http://www.c-wst.com/English/zdxm.asp?atype=Superconducting%20missio n& classtype=Major%20project

The apartments that I am talking about in those 30-50 story buildings would be 100ft x100ft for a total of 10,000 square foot of living space, with secured entry, only 10 floors of shared elevator including 1st and 2nd story commercial/retail space and underground parking, personal space for gardening and localized entertainment available for blocks of housing units.

As to the last statement, I don't know, it appears you may have combined some of my sentances, as I was looking and trying to utilize the trannsmission and storage capacity of a superconductive wire, as becoming the same, because there is no heat to dissipate energy, so if all of the energy is not transmitted it remains "stored" in the superconductive loop. There was a charge stored for 8 years at the Teledyne Wah Chang facility near Albany OR, from 1988 to 1996, by sending it around and around the loop without loss during all that time.

I hope that clarifies my posts. Sorry for the confusion.
 
2014-03-16 02:32:59 PM  
humanity is farked?  oh, big surprise.

now go gang-rape an innocent girl or invade a neighboring country, stop bothering me.
 
2014-03-16 02:33:38 PM  

Acravius: @bobthemagnificent

NASA is trying to point out that if change doesn't occur, then we won't have a very livable planet, and in the next 40 years, we won't be in a position to get off this one to go somewhere else. That is what makes this NASA's purvue. We won't be ready to explore space if Earth is a climactic, political warring wasteland over resources, money, and political power. It is just one more source of information telling humanity collectively that we should try to get our world in order, so that we can continue to grow and survive as a species, perhaps somewhere other than this one blue ball.


Okay, I can see that point of view.  That still leaves the question of what to do about it..  We need industrialization to survive and grow and sustain our economy, same with the natural resources that are required to sustain our current economy.  How do you go about solving the problem without causing a potential economic collapse and 2nd American Civil War?
 
2014-03-16 02:36:12 PM  

Animatronik: RandyRick: More libtard propaganda.  The truth is we can grow as much as we want, consume as much as we want, pollute as much as we want, and there are no consequences. Because... job creators... Jesus... America!

/Conservative logic

More Libtard smearing of conservative logic. Youd be surprised how many conservatives are conservationists and support alternative energy. The issue is how you get there and what to do about the rest of the world.


Don't bother.  Logic and liberalism are 2 things that don't go in the same sentence.  Liberals are still hung up on the 80s image of a conservative being a bible thumping redneck.  They can't seem to understand what a conservative really believes because of their own excellent smear campaign.
 
2014-03-16 02:37:29 PM  
Well just going by how long my Dad and his Dad lasted, I'm not banking on more than another Decade for myself at best give or take a few years. Never had kids so this DNA strand ends with me, I'm OK with that too so as far as I'm concerned, well, I'm Not! Good luck to the rest of Ya'll!
 
2014-03-16 02:44:55 PM  

brimed03: Destructor: NASA: More space ships, less economic guesses. FOCUS.

Right.  Because to badly paraphrase Farker lawson's comment: it'll be great when the distant colony we establish at the cost of trillions of dollars collapses because the colonists fight over the proper cost of a Mars Bar.


I'm simply excited at the prospect of reviewing the Department of Health and Human Services plan for a comet rendezvous and return mission. Maybe the Department of Justice can pitch in, you know, to make sure all the engines fire fairly. It seems the FCC has too much time on its hands, maybe they can pitch in... :-)
 
2014-03-16 02:50:13 PM  
For a Nasa study, it sounds like some freshmen college paper after their first intro to politics class, mixed with a little green eco-nut brainwashing: the solution to everything is communism, and living in the dirt in caves with primitive agricultural methods, after eliminating 'excess' population because wealth is evil.
 
2014-03-16 02:57:50 PM  

StokeyBob: Cuchulane: StokeyBob: I'm not sure if it would help stop an industrial collapse but I'm pretty sure stopping the fake money presses would help reel in government agency's and corral them back in to their jurisdictions...

bring jobs back.

All money is inherently fake, even when it's based on useless lumps of yellow metal. It's as real as we universally agree it is.It's not a problem unless you get a bunch of uneducated idiots elected to government that don't understand world economies and do everything they can to undermine our countries good credit. All because they think world governments run like personal checking accounts.
Unfortunately, one of the core functions of capitalism is to destroy jobs and lower purchasing power in it's eternal motive to reduce costs. It's inherently self destructive.

Capitalism shouldn't be sold out to socialism by those that have no money, borrowing from those that have none, and transferring the debt over to an unsuspecting public through inflation and bonded servitude.


It's a mistake to think that it can only be one it the other. History shows the inevitable circle of unchecked capitalism destroying the very customer base that supports it, leading to rampant income inequality, followed by revolution and imposed over reaching socialism that destroys new growth, that leads to unchecked capitalism, and so on, and so on...
Long term sustainability has always been the result of a marriage of the two in check and balance. When capitalism destroys one segment through innovation, cost cutting, or manipulation, socialism kicks in to hold things together until capitalism can create a replacement segment. At some point the balance leaves some segments solely to the purview of socialism where there is no recognition of the types of short term profits that capitalism thrives on, but also cannot be sustained in the long term without.
Unfortunately, our current capitalist economy is being largely sustained by a very large socialist endeavor - our military, which is after all a government program. Because left to its own, the last thing a good capitalist wants to do is create jobs. Jobs cut into profits.
 
2014-03-16 03:01:39 PM  

Sidecrab: Almost all finite resources we currently use have current or near future renewable replacements, except for a very few like helium. Almost everything we do can be done for the next 100 million years. Over-population is the only reasonable mechanism that might cause problems, but we can solve that One Child per Family style.

The sky is not falling.


Planet-bound thinking detected.
 
2014-03-16 03:02:05 PM  

Acravius: Solving the WORLD's global consumption of seafood in all forms

21.7 miles of Deep Blue fishing technology to produce the 90,000,000 tons of fish and
coastal farming of the 30,000,000 tons of sea plant life we take from the ocean every year.


I'm not familiar with Deep Blue, but won't acidification make any kind of sea farming rather difficult?


These are all available with today's technology. We don't have to go down the d ...

Don't have to, but it still seems like a probable outcome.
 
2014-03-16 03:06:34 PM  

incrdbil: For a Nasa study, it sounds like some freshmen college paper after their first intro to politics class, mixed with a little green eco-nut brainwashing: the solution to everything is communism, and living in the dirt in caves with primitive agricultural methods, after eliminating 'excess' population because wealth is evil.


Are you reading the same article we are? Because a lot of what you just said sounds like fabricated strawmen.
 
2014-03-16 03:11:18 PM  

lostcat: If you want to understand who the Elite (over-consumers) are, go look in your garbage cans and fridge for any food that's spoiled, uneaten, and the amount of plastic and other materials that are going to a landfill. Also check around your house for redundant "luxury" items, like "old" cell phones, multiple TVs, George Foreman grills, etc.

Consider that if you randomly picked a human being on Earth, the would be barely getting enough calories in a day, and maybe, just maybe have flip-phone.


Exactly.

If you are reading this, you are likely in the global 1% that people like the person who wrote this article is talking about taking down a notch or two for the sake of humanity. If you are still OK with this, you need to start with the man in the mirror. Lead by example. Take yourself down to a global median lifestyle before you try to force it on the rest of us.
 
2014-03-16 03:14:26 PM  
came for GrumpyCatGood, leaving satisfied.

/collapse, you farker!
 
2014-03-16 03:20:01 PM  

Geordles: yeah, NASA says a lot of things


Wher is my goddamned flying car?
 
2014-03-16 03:23:15 PM  

Cuchulane: StokeyBob: I'm not sure if it would help stop an industrial collapse but I'm pretty sure stopping the fake money presses would help reel in government agency's and corral them back in to their jurisdictions...

bring jobs back.

All money is inherently fake, even when it's based on useless lumps of yellow metal. It's as real as we universally agree it is.It's not a problem unless you get a bunch of uneducated idiots elected to government that don't understand world economies and do everything they can to undermine our countries good credit. All because they think world governments run like personal checking accounts.
Unfortunately, one of the core functions of capitalism is to destroy jobs and lower purchasing power in it's eternal motive to reduce costs. It's inherently self destructive.


Well, if you don't have somebody centrally managing the economy, and in the process magnifying all their human failings to the point that every failed prediction and foiled mind-reading attempt causes economic ruin to thousands of innocent people, you will get what you have defined as runaway, unregulated capitalism. There is no solution to this "problem," either someone runs the economy, or "the invisible hand" runs the economy.

/we used to let it have as much freedom to grow as could be allowed without causing harm
//but that wasn't good enough, and now we demand it do things an economic system should never be expected to do
///small wonder it's still failing
 
2014-03-16 03:27:58 PM  

FormlessOne: Must've missed the part in the article where NASA reminds folks that "technological change can raise the efficiency of resource use, but it also tends to raise both per capita resource consumption and the scale of resource extraction, so that, absent policy effects, the increases in consumption often compensate for the increased efficiency of resource use."

In other words, this isn't a problem out of which you can simply invent your way. Oddly enough, less, not more, is the solution here, but no one wants to hear that, not in a culture that values materialism and conspicuous consumption as its cornerstone.


I disagree.  Less will push out the day of reckoning but it won't avoid it.  The only path that avoids it is sufficient inventing.  Whether that path is possible is uncertain but it is certain that no other path leads to a desirable future.

We are probably looking at the cause of Fermi's Paradox--and if so doom is virtually certain.

Gone In 26 Minutes: Doomsaying has never done anything except profit the doomsayers - either tangibly with money or otherwise with attention to projects they want done. In some cases, this can be a good thing (see: emphasis and money put into renewable and cleaner energy sources,) but in others it can be the foundation of a scam (see: 'carbon credits.')


Except when we act in time to avert the doom.  Consider, for example, Y2K.  Had we ignored this there would have been a *LOT* of problems.

Rozotorical: The world does not equal industrialized civilization. If you think industrial and post industrial life styles are sustainable then your sir, are a grade a moron.


The alternative is basically stone-age existence.  Who decides what 99.99% of the world's population dies?

Gone In 26 Minutes: I'm well aware. That's part of my point. Somehow, even when it seemed impossible, something prevented us from killing ourselves with our own stupidity and hubris. I think people need less faith in Jesus and more faith in each other specifically because of those lucky events. Human beings make the best miracles; whose to say our future will be any different?


The cultures that destroyed themselves aren't around to be noticed other than by archeologists.
 
2014-03-16 03:45:02 PM  
@ Hickory Smoked

I got the company name wrong, but here is the technology and process I was referring to.

http://www.openblue.com/open-ocean-raised/our-process/

They produced 1 million lbs of fish delivered to market in both 2012 and 2013 from their small 1500 square foot deep water net production facilities.

If we don't do the other things to mitigate the CO2 absorbtion by the sea, then yes we could have a big problem with the soda pop ocean and resulting PH problems, but if we did everything as a big 10 year package, then things would start to revert back over the next 30 years (from 2025 to 2055) and we could have the 1980's climate (without the Ozone layer holes) that most of us liked quite a bit. It would just be approximately twice as populated as it was in the 80's, but with better cities, it wouldn't have to feel too crowded (See Singapore's growth over the past 30 years).
 
2014-03-16 03:45:38 PM  
Verwirrung (Chaos)

Zweitracht (Discord)

Unordnung (Confusion)

Beamtenherrschaft (Bureaucracy)

Grummet (Aftermath)
 
2014-03-16 03:47:54 PM  
Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-03-16 03:58:53 PM  

Rozotorical: TV's Vinnie: Delay: TV's Vinnie: I've been hearing this doom & gloom since the early 70's, and yet we're still here, and there's still plenty of Big Macs to go around.

Big Macs are part of the problem. "60% of the world's agricultural land is used for beef production, yet beef accounts for less than 2% of the calories that are consumed throughout the world." FAO UN

And again, we should have already been extinct twenty years ago if these Doctor Downers were right.

Society collapse doesn't equal extinction.


True. My son's best friend is Mayan
 
2014-03-16 04:02:04 PM  
Past reactions to climate change is to kill the guys next door.  Usually both suffer.
 
2014-03-16 04:07:31 PM  

Back Alley Proctologist: lostcat: If you want to understand who the Elite (over-consumers) are, go look in your garbage cans and fridge for any food that's spoiled, uneaten, and the amount of plastic and other materials that are going to a landfill. Also check around your house for redundant "luxury" items, like "old" cell phones, multiple TVs, George Foreman grills, etc.

Consider that if you randomly picked a human being on Earth, the would be barely getting enough calories in a day, and maybe, just maybe have flip-phone.

Exactly.

If you are reading this, you are likely in the global 1% that people like the person who wrote this article is talking about taking down a notch or two for the sake of humanity. If you are still OK with this, you need to start with the man in the mirror. Lead by example. Take yourself down to a global median lifestyle before you try to force it on the rest of us.


tu quoque. -- doesn't work. We're apes more than angels.
 
2014-03-16 04:12:25 PM  

Acravius: Dances with Crows


FWIW, putting spaces in usernames where they don't exist b0rks Fark's "notify user when replies are posted" function. That's why it took so long for me to reply....

According to these companies they have the technology to make superconductive wires

Neat trick if they can do it. The superconductors that have Tc above 77K are all ceramics (perovskite-like structure), which don't respond well to metal-forming techniques. Wikipedia says: "American Superconductor Corporation (AMSC)[11] is producing Amperium wire [which] exhibits conductivity approximately 200 times that of copper wire of similar dimensions." Nice, but not superconductive.

and the technology to keep componentry at those temperatures for long periods of time in realtime electrical transmission.

This is something that I'd have to see to believe. Maintaining a 216K temperature differential across a gigantic volume[0] seems like it'd require enormous amounts of energy. Maintaining a 14K temperature differential (110 F outside, 85 F inside) in my condo in high summer takes about 8 KWh/day--and that's only 197 cubic meters with not much direct sunlight.

The apartments that I am talking about in those 30-50 story buildings would be 100ft x100ft for a total of 10,000 square foot of living space...

This doesn't sound terrible[1], but there are a large number of people who have an emotional connection to their land/houses and will not give them up. There are also a large number of people who want to live where the nearest neighbors are at least a mile away, not 100 feet away. How will you deal with these things? <SARCASM>Having men with guns say "move to Place N or we send you to the re-education camps" has worked out really well in the past.</SARCASM>

As to the last statement, I don't know, it appears you may have combined some of my sentances

Nope, direct quote from what you posted at 2014-03-16 12:32:07 PM. Also, this hypothetical superconducting thing would have to be a web, not a loop, or severing it at any point would kill everyone's electricity. Hello, additional costs!

There was a charge stored for 8 years at the Teledyne Wah Chang facility near Albany OR, from 1988 to 1996

I believe that. How large was this charge? And have they solved the current density problem for polycrystals described in this Pickyweedia article about a representative liquid-N2 superconductor? If you stuff too many amps into a superconductor, it stops being a superconductor, and that makes everything stop working. "Too many amps" is depressingly low (not enough amps to power a vacuum cleaner) for the high-temp superconductors that I could find with a brief search.

TL;DR: I don't think the technology for long-distance superconductive power transmission is available yet, and the physicists will need another 10-20 years of research to get it there.

[0] 15000 miles = 2.414*10^9 cm, multiply by conduit cross-sectional area, say 7.62 cm circle for 45.603 cm^2 and you get ... about half a Sears Tower, not a trivial amount.
[1] I like living in apartments/condos/dense housing/urban areas though, and not everyone does.
 
2014-03-16 04:29:09 PM  
FTA
"These factors can lead to collapse when they converge to generate two crucial social features: "the stretching of resources due to the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity"; and

"the economic stratification of society into Elites [rich] and Masses (or "Commoners") [poor]" These social phenomena have played "a central role in the character or in the process of the collapse," in all such cases over "the last five thousand years."

I wonder how many of these collapses were accelerated by complaints to the Almighty?
I think, most of them.
What they gonna do?
Nuke the Almighty?
It will happen just the opposite:

Bear in mind that the solar disc that we see is actually the "Garment" that shields earth from infernal, deadly radiation. A sunspot is a hole in that "garment"
Look at closeups of sunspots... looks like a pit, right?

The part of the sun we use to describe its size is the outermost cloud top, like a mantle on a lantern, that is what translates the deadly radioactive emissions into visible light, that can sustain life, etc
The actual sun is physically very small, but it warps its own space time, so our concepts of space/time/mass fail to describe what is under those 'Garments"

One day, the entire "garment" will be rent asunder, and the 'sunspot' will cover the entire disc of the sun, for about 3 days...
Earth, and the works of man will be fully exposed to the wrathful monster that hides beneath the Garment of Light.

Also, a simple change in a certain quantum level relationship can render all nuclear reactions impossible. Another change, slightly higher up, can render electricity and its rules as we know it today... impossible.

A quantum change in a particular molecular relationship, brought Noah's flood, shrunk the earth & wrinkled it, brought down the immense clear water vapor shield that encircled the earth, made ice that expands & floats, and rainbows a new property of water.

Quantum climate change can propagate thru the universe from other places, and this is why life became possible on earth, why Einstein suddenly had a key that worked...
Ancients could have done what we have done, but the quantum climate was unfavorable...

Funny thing is, humans think it cant happen here, again; thus, all the more shocking when it does.


Quantum climate change...
 
2014-03-16 04:29:25 PM  
American Superconductor Corporation (AMSC)[11] is producing Amperium wire [which] exhibits conductivity approximately 200 times that of copper wire of similar dimensions."

@#$%. BSCCO wires 4mm wide and 0.2mm thick have a 200A critical current density at 77K, but the process for making those tapes/wires uses silver. Silver is a heck of a lot more expensive than copper/aluminum/many metals. A 15000-mile-long strand of wire that's 1" in diameter would be ... 6.131 * 10^9 cm^3 or 6.432 * 10^7 kg of silver, which is ... er, about 1/3 of global silver production in 2011 assuming I haven't borked a decimal place somewhere. This'd be a seriously expensive project.
 
2014-03-16 04:29:35 PM  

bobothemagnificent: Animatronik: RandyRick: More libtard propaganda.  The truth is we can grow as much as we want, consume as much as we want, pollute as much as we want, and there are no consequences. Because... job creators... Jesus... America!

/Conservative logic

More Libtard smearing of conservative logic. Youd be surprised how many conservatives are conservationists and support alternative energy. The issue is how you get there and what to do about the rest of the world.

Don't bother.  Logic and liberalism are 2 things that don't go in the same sentence.  Liberals are still hung up on the 80s image of a conservative being a bible thumping redneck.  They can't seem to understand what a conservative really believes because of their own excellent smear campaign.


Hmmm....I think I have a pretty good grasp of what 'real' (caveat: Southern) American conservatives believe considering I've lived in Alabama my entire life:

Free Market Capitalism is the spiritually designed product Evangelical Dominionist Christianity, therefore, all other economic systems are blasphemous. Poor people are poor because they don't work hard enough, and rich people are rich because they have been blessed by God.
 
2014-03-16 04:34:42 PM  
Elite wealth monopolies mean that they are buffered from the most "detrimental effects of the environmental collapse until much later than the Commoners", allowing them to "continue 'business as usual' despite the impending catastrophe."

Precisely why we can't let The Free Market decide when we need to do things like switch away from fossil fuels.
I don't care how efficient it is, The Free Market has no idea what we should do, or what we need to do.  It responds only to money.
The Free Market will happily drive us off the edge of a cliff simply because it is the most efficient way to get to the bottom of the mountain.
 
2014-03-16 04:41:14 PM  

bobothemagnificent: They can't seem to understand what a conservative really believes because of their own excellent smear campaign.


More like Fox's smear campaign.  They do an excellent job of making conservatives look like complete idiots.  Frankly I've seen more compelling conservative arguments on MSNBC than Fox; I happen to disagree with them, but at least they seem coherent half the time.  I understand what non-derpy conservatives think, I just don't agree with their reasoning.
 
2014-03-16 04:45:25 PM  
Scary tag? Was the OBVIOUS tag taking a vacation? No shiat our pathetic society is doomed. It's being run into the ground by idiots.
 
2014-03-16 04:51:20 PM  

Acravius: Amazingly a SFW oglaf that sums up the whole situation, including the text over.

http://oglaf.com/illusionist/

text box: "Money's an illusion."

Other content on oglaf is generally not safe for work, but this one page cartoon is free of nudity or sexual innuendo.


Looking around, I think I can see the influence of a delusionist here and there, as well.
 
2014-03-16 04:58:57 PM  
Project Pitchfork -"Terra Incognita"

he says - imagine a planet whose inhabitants have only two sexes
she says - imagine a planet whose inhabitants oppress themselves
it says - imagine a planet whose inhabitants exploit the weak
they look at the stars and laugh
on this planet. he says - imagine beings poisoning their oceans
she says - imagine these beings destroying their environment
it says - imagine these beings polluting their air
they shake their heads . and think how funny
on this world . he says - imagine a race who say they're the most intelligent
she says - imagine this race annihilating the other species
it says - imagine this race annihilating themselves
such suicidal stupidity can only be fiction - they finally say
 
2014-03-16 05:02:54 PM  
Obvious tag broken?
 
2014-03-16 05:03:37 PM  
This is the product of the current line of environmental science propaganda being taught to the last few generations of college students. It's the end, wave your arms.
Be afraid. Panic. Send money.

Feh.
 
2014-03-16 05:09:12 PM  
Nobody on the right complains that much regarding the 10s of Trillions of dollars spent on international military projects that are no less of a boogeyman than climate change.
 
2014-03-16 05:31:08 PM  
danceswithcrows

The budget for the superconductive loop project would be about $50 Billion, or ~$3.1 million per mile, but it would save ~$65 billion in coal costs per year, so in one year it would pay for itself in energy and raw materials costs. Also it is would be distributed via all of the major highway routes.

North to South you go I-5, 1-15, 1-25, I-35, I-55, I-75 and I-95
East to West you go  I-90, 1-84, I-80, I-70, I-40, I-15 and I-10

At each of the 300 cities, you would have a 1/7 of an Olympic Size Swimming pool for electrolysis, and a storage facility of Oxygen/Hydrogen, and a steam power plant, that would be feuled by the Hydrogen and Oxygen while boiling the water for power for local distribution. The back up power would only be 61% efficient, but it would allow for rerouting and repair, without loss of service to the area of the failure.

As to the people moving into the 10,000 square foot apartments, I am sure there are plenty of people who would like to go from their 1200 square foot loft to a 10K square foot loft for a $300,000 price tag, get their own floor, and have only the ceiling and floor to worry about in terms of noise. With modern sound dampening, almost all that noise could be silenced rather well and if not, you could get those sound dampening head phones.

I know that some people would like to live in random small town name Alladin, South Dakota (population 11) and places like that. We still need small towns for a lot of reasons. If we made city living less low rise, and all high rise, and removed most of the sprawl, a lot less crime would take place, and a lot less government services would be needed, along with all of that need to drive everywhere in traffic jams, because more businesses could be located on levels 1 and 2 of each of the buildings, and a lot faster internet could be had for everyone at much lower prices.

Chatanooga, Tennessee, already has 1 Gigabit internet, and it doesn't quite know what to do with it. Imagine if a rebuilt highrise newyork had that. I doubt that many people would leave their apartments except to answer the door to get food/drinks.

I can't explain the sentence, I must have been trying to fit too much information into one sentence or I combined two sentences by accident.
 
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