RandyRick: More libtard propaganda. The truth is we can grow as much as we want, consume as much as we want, pollute as much as we want, and there are no consequences. Because... job creators... Jesus... America!/Conservative logic
jaybeezey: Just an interesting point of fact.If you release a study that says, don't worry guys it's cool, you don't get paid to do follow up studies on ways to fix anything.
Rozotorical: Currently industrializing societies rely 100% on post industrial society. If you some how think that saying Africa, the continent that has huge range of technology from post industrial to tribal, is not heavenly influenced by post industrial societies, western and Asian then you just being silly. If you think acts of resource waste and incredibly dangerous pollutions are not rampant in any industrial society then you are being even sillier.
Gone In 26 Minutes: Rozotorical: Gone In 26 Minutes: Rozotorical: mr lawson: Gone In 26 Minutes: And 35+ years ago, people were saying the same thing - except it was during the Cold War era which was also supersrsbsns that people thought couldn't be avoided. For decades now, we've supposedly been on the brink of some catastrophe or another caused by something.oh i get that. Trust me. I get it. Even as I type this and everyday I wake up, I critically wonder to myself, "'Am I right? Did I miss something in the data? The world has been spinning for thousands of years and just by miracle it is going to fall apart when I am alive? Occam's razor."And yet it seems to be the case.The world does not equal industrialized civilization. If you think industrial and post industrial life styles are sustainable then your sir, are a grade a moron.How do you figure? Industrialization is a very new thing in our species' history so it's hard to say either way. If we rely on a finite resource, then no, it isn't sustainable - but that's been the case throughout history for every animal. What industrialization has done is make the process faster and more efficient. The idea is taking what we've learned and applying it to the same sort of rapid renewal and/or rapid reproduction of the things we need. See also: modern agriculture. It's really amazing what kind of shiat you can do with a few hundred years worth of technology that just keeps growing more sophisticated.So, your idea is that we will create a wonder to fix the already existing disasters that are currently largely ignored?Why not? We've been creating wonders for a while now. You just take them for granted while simultaneously trying to play the role of a Luddite... on the internet. Also, your list has only three examples of environmental hazards created by humans in the western world. The rest are Soviet-era projects that had no oversight and no regulation, the result of war or were caused by natural disasters without human input. I alre ...
mr lawson: Rozotorical: Currently industrializing societies rely 100% on post industrial society. If you some how think that saying Africa, the continent that has huge range of technology from post industrial to tribal, is not heavenly influenced by post industrial societies, western and Asian then you just being silly. If you think acts of resource waste and incredibly dangerous pollutions are not rampant in any industrial society then you are being even sillier.I have a feeling we are actually on the same side here. I might be wrong as I have not slept for over 36 hours, but if you think that the way we are living is a bad thing for earth and for any hopes of any where close to a "normal" life style, then we agree.
hardinparamedic: Too bad the "wealthy elite"/Republican response will be TL;DR, or write this off as Obammaunist commissioned class warfare tripe.The word Romanovs comes to mind.
Gunther: FTA: "... accumulated surplus is not evenly distributed throughout society, but rather has been controlled by an elite. The mass of the population, while producing the wealth, is only allocated a small portion of it by elites, usually at or just above subsistence levels...the Elites eventually consume too much, resulting in a famine among Commoners that eventually causes the collapse of society "Dang, there's gonna be a lot of WHARGARBL on Fox when they hear about this study.
Rozotorical: The issue is how we currently order our race and resource allotment depends on conflict and control.
FormlessOne: In other words, this isn't a problem out of which you can simply invent your way. Oddly enough, less, not more, is the solution here, but no one wants to hear that, not in a culture that values materialism and conspicuous consumption as its cornerstone.
MrGMan: Question the source...isn't that what we are told by Fark when a study reports findings that are not aligned with the prediposed and immutable opinions of Farkites?SESYNC has an agenda all its own. Admittedly one that a lot of people are pleased to hang their hat on, but an agenda nonetheless.Explain how a "green-funded" study outlining a scenario for gloom and doom, is different than an "oil-funded" study explaining how anthropomorphic "climate change" (or the current catch-phrase consistent with weather events) is bunk?
TV's Vinnie: Delay: TV's Vinnie: I've been hearing this doom & gloom since the early 70's, and yet we're still here, and there's still plenty of Big Macs to go around.Big Macs are part of the problem. "60% of the world's agricultural land is used for beef production, yet beef accounts for less than 2% of the calories that are consumed throughout the world." FAO UNAnd again, we should have already been extinct twenty years ago if these Doctor Downers were right.
FormlessOne: jaybeezey: Just an interesting point of fact.If you release a study that says, don't worry guys it's cool, you don't get paid to do follow up studies on ways to fix anything....because, clearly, the motive here is for these folks to obtain more funding. Sheesh.
FunkOut: Is this where people living comfy lives come in to scoff at any study saying comfy life can't go on forever?
Whatchoo Talkinbout: Space X is doing fine, others will come. If NASA is to be another mouthpiece for the government effort to move the wealth into their own pockets, we don't need them.Move along, nothing to see here. De-fund them.
capt.hollister: By one life's coincidences I'm actually revisiting my old old classics in audiobook form and this is one I'm going through now. Unfortunately for us, it doesn't appear that we have a long-lived, telepathic robot to secretly guide us through the upcoming collapse and rebirth.
Capo Del Bandito: Whelp, time to get the bug out gear ready and a cabin in the Appalachians.I got experience raising chickens and horses, all I need is someone with more agrarian skills. Any volunteers?
big pig peaches: NASA funded? Um, no. Some idiots doing a study based on a NASA model.Society didn't collapse after the fall of Rome; it just changed. And it will again./but if everyone gets a handy, I'm ok with it.
Whatchoo Talkinbout: We will not avoid the crisis because both sides are pointing the finger at the other while they struggle to get into 'Looting Position' or in charge. And all of us a tricked into being part of the scam. It has always been this way, we don't know any better.
mr lawson: Pharmdawg: and the wealthy elites laughed it off and kept on drinking and partying and irrevocably farking things up.none...they prepared for it. It was the general masses that didn't
cantsleep: Just curious, how many people here who are behind the results of this study laugh and scoff at "preppers"?
Tatterdemalian: Whatchoo Talkinbout: We will not avoid the crisis because both sides are pointing the finger at the other while they struggle to get into 'Looting Position' or in charge. And all of us a tricked into being part of the scam. It has always been this way, we don't know any better.We will not fix the crisis because people like you care more about getting robbed than about fixing problems./it's a legitimate concern, of course//mostly because your inability to separate fantasy from reality results in you falling for any con artists that tell you what you want to hear///and also makes you viciously reject anyone that dares tell you what you actually need to hear
Acravius: @bobthemagnificentNASA is trying to point out that if change doesn't occur, then we won't have a very livable planet, and in the next 40 years, we won't be in a position to get off this one to go somewhere else. That is what makes this NASA's purvue. We won't be ready to explore space if Earth is a climactic, political warring wasteland over resources, money, and political power. It is just one more source of information telling humanity collectively that we should try to get our world in order, so that we can continue to grow and survive as a species, perhaps somewhere other than this one blue ball.
StokeyBob: I'm not sure if it would help stop an industrial collapse but I'm pretty sure stopping the fake money presses would help reel in government agency's and corral them back in to their jurisdictions...bring jobs back.
Delay: cantsleep: Just curious, how many people here who are behind the results of this study laugh and scoff at "preppers"?I do. The reason I skoff at preppers is something called "The Sixth Extinction." There is a book by Richard Leaky and a newer one with the same title by Elizabeth Kolbert that explains the situation. The damage humans are causing is not something like the collapse of the Easter Islanders, Greenland Norse etc. We are taking out whole genera of worms, amphibians, plants, corals and fish. Stocking up on ammo from Walmart is not really the answer.
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