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(Opposing Views)   You've just tasered the wrong 76-year-old man six times. Do you: a.) apologize, b.) take him to the hospital or c.) arrest him and take him to jail?   (opposingviews.com) divider line 81
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2014-03-15 06:27:50 PM  
Wow. That police department no longer exists. You gotta wonder how shiatty they were to have that happen.
 
2014-03-15 06:29:01 PM  
FTP.
 
2014-03-15 06:32:38 PM  

"According to the lawsuit, on August 21, 2012, Gross drove his brother, Carl Gross Sr., to see his granddaughter at an Allentown hair salon. "


Well we're tasing here in Allentown cause there's nothing else really going down. And because you look like your brother you're going to paaaaaayaaaaayaayyaaaaaaayaaayy-ay.

And we're tasing here in Allentown.

 
2014-03-15 06:35:24 PM  
How else would you expect prison guards to treat their charges? Just keep your head down, your mouth shut, pretend you live is a free country, and you'll do fine*.

Now, move along citizen.

*Does not apply if you are black, illegal, gay, or poor.
 
2014-03-15 06:35:39 PM  
The events occurred because police received a call from Robert Gross' nephew, Carl Gross Jr., claiming his father, Carl Gross, Sr., was dangerous and causing trouble in the hair salon,

So what happened with this guy?
 
2014-03-15 06:37:52 PM  
If you apologize or release the victim, you're admitting wrongdoing. You have to arrest him. You can drop the charges later (in fact, you have to), but you must act like the violence was perpetrated in your role as official shiatkicker of the state, as opposed to a little side action for your own amusement.

A cop in Philadelphia was arrested this week for, essentially, choosing the wrong answer to subby's quiz.
 
2014-03-15 06:38:17 PM  
I'm Oscar!

/.com
 
2014-03-15 06:41:23 PM  
If they don't use the tools they spent the gub'mint money on, they might lose "funding".
/Used to work for a school district.
//They don't do jack, unless there's a risk of losing the gub'mint teat.
 
2014-03-15 06:41:31 PM  
Robert Gross is seeking more than $50,000 in damages, plus interest and other costs. The lawsuit alleges assault, battery, and deprivation of his Fourth and Fourteenth Amendment rights.

The city would be wise to settle.  Juries have a way of awarding the damages in the lawsuit, then adding on big punitive damages on top.
 
2014-03-15 06:45:37 PM  
Did he order just coffee and hang out for hours making racist remarks to working employees?   Then Taze his ass bro!!!  His dumb wife too.

/Spent way too much time in that thread.
 
2014-03-15 06:46:30 PM  
www.marijuana.com
 
2014-03-15 06:53:53 PM  
The police were trying to conduct their business and they found him resistor.
 
2014-03-15 06:55:02 PM  
another day ending in y.
 
2014-03-15 06:56:29 PM  
Wait, there's no shooting involved? I'm shocked, fetch the fainting couch immediately.

Seriously, there ARE good cops out there, but stupid shiat like this is why so many people have zero confidence and trust towards law enforcement, especially with the recent shootings and outright abuses in years past.

C'mon, po-po. You guys can weed this shiat out if you put the effort into it. Don't make the actual criminals look good in comparison. :(
 
2014-03-15 07:00:46 PM  
 
2014-03-15 07:01:50 PM  
Police are scum.

If they'd stop proving me right, I'd stop saying it.
 
2014-03-15 07:02:30 PM  
I would only hope that someone would taser my ass if I went into a Walmart (or K-Mart, Sears, Microsoft, Hobby Lobby, Chick-fil-A, Comcast, Verizon etc.).
 
2014-03-15 07:03:01 PM  
A FEW BAD APPLES! A FEW BAD APPLES!
 
2014-03-15 07:04:57 PM  
He was 76 years old. How dangerous could he be? I'm getting tired of seeing cops that are five foot nothing and armed to the teeth because they lack confidence.
 
2014-03-15 07:06:07 PM  
The officers will be punished with some leave with pay.
 
2014-03-15 07:09:58 PM  
Gross.
 
2014-03-15 07:12:51 PM  
$50k? Oh no, no, no, no...... $500k. Minimum.
 
2014-03-15 07:13:33 PM  

Interceptor1: He was 76 years old. How dangerous could he be? I'm getting tired of seeing cops that are five foot nothing and armed to the teeth because they lack confidence.


I'm tired of seeing cops who don't understand their duty is to die to protect the fabric of society.

I, as a private citizen, have the prerogative to completely misread someone's actions and escalate a potentially non-violent situation all the way to lethal force in the event that I believe they are going for a weapon or are already holding one. In the worst case scenario, I will be arraigned and ideally tried by a jury of 12 my peers who are also private citizens. There is no SOP for a private citizen. If you think you might be in danger, you can do whatever you want, basically. George Zimmerman type incidents? That's okay because you've got two untrained thugs butting heads and the cops mop it up.


But police are trained. They're supposed to be the thin blue line between order and chaos. And often, the difference between good and evil means good has to take some hits and not fire back. That's the difference between the riot police and the riot itself. If the cops are free to attack and retaliate with whatever force they want, they're just a street gang.
 
2014-03-15 07:14:23 PM  
What's the deal with police officers tasing anyone after they're already handcuffed? Shouldn't there be some kind of rule against that? I would think that tasers should only be used when the officer is actually being threatened by the suspect, not just as something to make an already-restrained person stop moving.
 
2014-03-15 07:17:34 PM  
I remember my Dad at 76, WWII vet and lifelong athlete and by then you could push him over with a 2 year old as we found out when my daughter was slightly too happy to see him.  I mean 6 taser shots?  What were they trying to do, make his heart explode?
 
2014-03-15 07:18:12 PM  

XMark: What's the deal with police officers tasing anyone after they're already handcuffed? Shouldn't there be some kind of rule against that? I would think that tasers should only be used when the officer is actually being threatened by the suspect, not just as something to make an already-restrained person stop moving.


There is. The problem is that the people enforcing the rules are free to ignore them as they see fit.
 
2014-03-15 07:23:23 PM  
Captain Horatio Mindblower

If you apologize or release the victim, you're admitting wrongdoing. You have to arrest him. You can drop the charges later (in fact, you have to), but you must act like the violence was perpetrated in your role as official shiatkicker of the state, as opposed to a little side action for your own amusement.

If you apologize or release the victim, you have to do it yourself, in person, and admit you made a mistake.

Most Americans are in totally uncharted waters when it comes to being real and being wrong simultaneously.  They'd sooner hide than do the right thing.

A more likely outcome is just continue the beatdown, and when charges are later dropped, you're not there.  You also get time to craft your side of the story out of the known facts.
 
2014-03-15 07:26:04 PM  
i236.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-15 07:26:13 PM  

XMark: What's the deal with police officers tasing anyone after they're already handcuffed? Shouldn't there be some kind of rule against that? I would think that tasers should only be used when the officer is actually being threatened by the suspect, not just as something to make an already-restrained person stop moving.


Where is the fun in that?

Actually, the reason they are taser happy is because they are budgeted so much tasering in a year.  If their actual tasering is not near where the budgeted amount is, their budget is slashed meaning they can only taser so much the following budget year.  You think they are being jack-booted thugs; however, you will be thanking them when they need that full allotment of tasering to quell a possible large scale explosive situation.

Just remember, if their taser budget gets slashed, they will not be able to taser when the situation calls for it and will have to resort to batons and bullets (neither of which curently have budget restrictions)
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-15 07:27:43 PM  
Accordng to the real story (philly.com) he was convicted of disorderly conduct. That means he can not argue in his civil rights case that he was well behaved or that police did not have cause to arrest him.
 
2014-03-15 07:36:16 PM  
Is it really possible to taser the 'wrong' 76-year-old man?
 
2014-03-15 07:38:54 PM  
RCMP?
 
2014-03-15 07:41:42 PM  
i486.photobucket.com
RIP
 
2014-03-15 07:43:18 PM  
Now they've taken the old guy to the ground, even though his bro was found, and the PD gonna paaaaaaaaay, for that tasin'down in Allentown.
 
2014-03-15 07:43:34 PM  

Makh: The police were trying to conduct their business and they found him resistor.


Was he a serial resistor or a parallel resistor?  Because the serial resistors have a much higher resistance than the parallel ones so you have to up the voltage.
 
2014-03-15 07:46:56 PM  
At least they didn't taser a 6 year old 76 times.
 
2014-03-15 07:50:21 PM  

limboslam: $50k? Oh no, no, no, no...... $500k. Minimum.


And award it from the precinct's property confiscation stash or retirement fund...
 
2014-03-15 07:55:32 PM  
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Hi.  We're Nazi sh*tbag c*nts and we'll use any excuse to wipe out steroid crazed, greasy asses with the hoi polloi.
 
2014-03-15 07:58:51 PM  

justinsmith354: A FEW BAD APPLES! A FEW BAD APPLES!


A few bad apples left in the barrel spoil the whole bunch.
the whole bunch went bad a long time ago. The entire lot of them should be on the unemployment line. Time to hire fresh.
 
2014-03-15 08:09:51 PM  
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justinsmith354: A FEW BAD APPLES! A FEW BAD APPLES!
A few bad apples left in the barrel spoil the whole bunch.
the whole bunch went bad a long time ago. The entire lot of them should be on the unemployment line. Time to hire fresh.


It is about who they hire. May I suggest that just because someone has been in the armed forces and knows how to fire a bang stick and follow orders, does not mean they know how to deal with positions in law enforcement in the United States. Lets make this about college degrees and not military experience.
 
2014-03-15 08:13:44 PM  

LavenderWolf: Police are scum.

If they'd stop proving me right, I'd stop saying it.


Sadly I find this to be particularly true when dealing with the great NYS Troopers. They are bunch of jackbooted thugs that make the SS proud.
 
2014-03-15 08:15:03 PM  

Mr. Eugenides: Makh: The police were trying to conduct their business and they found him resistor.

Was he a serial resistor or a parallel resistor?  Because the serial resistors have a much higher resistance than the parallel ones so you have to up the voltage.


I'm pretty sure the last one because I don't think he offered up much resistance and he might have been parallel to his brother.
 
2014-03-15 08:19:50 PM  

Captain Horatio Mindblower: If you apologize or release the victim, you're admitting wrongdoing. You have to arrest him. You can drop the charges later (in fact, you have to), but you must act like the violence was perpetrated in your role as official shiatkicker of the state, as opposed to a little side action for your own amusement.

A cop in Philadelphia was arrested this week for, essentially, choosing the wrong answer to subby's quiz.


If you really want to do it right, make sure the prosecutors only agree to drop the charges if the victim stipulates to probable cause.
 
2014-03-15 08:21:17 PM  
MMPPI tests are administered to cops, EMTs and recidivist criminals.  The results are expressed in a graph.  Cops and criminals are essentially the same people.  Cops are just a   *little*   smarter than criminals on the on the IQ curve.  And that is the only difference in the graph. Put this on your fridge.
 
2014-03-15 08:22:36 PM  

doglover: Interceptor1: He was 76 years old. How dangerous could he be? I'm getting tired of seeing cops that are five foot nothing and armed to the teeth because they lack confidence.

I'm tired of seeing cops who don't understand their duty is to die to protect the fabric of society.

I, as a private citizen, have the prerogative to completely misread someone's actions and escalate a potentially non-violent situation all the way to lethal force in the event that I believe they are going for a weapon or are already holding one. In the worst case scenario, I will be arraigned and ideally tried by a jury of 12 my peers who are also private citizens. There is no SOP for a private citizen. If you think you might be in danger, you can do whatever you want, basically. George Zimmerman type incidents? That's okay because you've got two untrained thugs butting heads and the cops mop it up.


But police are trained. They're supposed to be the thin blue line between order and chaos. And often, the difference between good and evil means good has to take some hits and not fire back. That's the difference between the riot police and the riot itself. If the cops are free to attack and retaliate with whatever force they want, they're just a street gang.


If you want to see cops change, you're gonna have to start offering more money. Then maybe you'll get better candidates than C students from high school. This guy will be let go and replaced with someone else of average intelligence who may or may not like pushing people around.

We could really ease up on the paperwork requirements. We have video now. A short written description and video from the officer's own shoulder should suffice. Make it easier for them to do a good job and harder for them to do a bad job. Because right now we actually encourage a bad job done.
 
2014-03-15 08:23:51 PM  

Captain Horatio Mindblower: If you apologize or release the victim, you're admitting wrongdoing. You have to arrest him. You can drop the charges later (in fact, you have to), but you must act like the violence was perpetrated in your role as official shiatkicker of the state, as opposed to a little side action for your own amusement.

A cop in Philadelphia was arrested this week for, essentially, choosing the wrong answer to subby's quiz.


I read your link, and I would think that not filling out paperwork was the least of his problems.
 
2014-03-15 08:26:13 PM  

limboslam: $50k? Oh no, no, no, no...... $500k. Minimum.


yeah, i was thinking the same thing.  seems like the department would just pay this off before he comes to his senses.
 
2014-03-15 08:36:19 PM  

bunner: MMPPI tests are administered to cops, EMTs and recidivist criminals.  The results are expressed in a graph.  Cops and criminals are essentially the same people.  Cops are just a   *little*   smarter than criminals on the on the IQ curve.  And that is the only difference in the graph. Put this on your fridge.




Cops are stupider than criminals if you include the criminals that have never been caught.
 
2014-03-15 08:37:28 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: If you want to see cops change, you're gonna have to start offering more money.



Do you want to be a cop? Yes I do. Good, you're balcklisted for life nationally from all LEO positions. Fire station's that-a-way.

Do you want to be a cop? Not really, but I need some dosh. Great, you start Monday.
 
2014-03-15 08:43:13 PM  
Cerebral Ballsy:

If you want to see cops change, you're gonna have to start offering more money.

Bzzzzt! Wrong! Cops around here are very well paid, especially compared to the minimum wage jobs they're actually qualified for in the real world. They still act like 12-year-old schoolyard bullies.
 
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