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(Think Progress)   NYC is experiencing a measles outbreak, along with several other major cities. The CDC knows why, but let's listen instead to Kristin Cavallari as she explains the evils of vaccination   (thinkprogress.org) divider line 156
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2014-03-15 08:06:02 AM  
My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.
 
2014-03-15 08:09:36 AM  
A good rule of thumb is when someone, especially a new mother, says "Let's stop X, for the children." not only are they wrong, but people are going to die horribly if you listen to them.

Another good rule of thumb is, in matters of health, do what doctors do. Find me the doctor who doesn't get his children vaccinated. Go on, I'll wait.
 
2014-03-15 08:24:48 AM  
No American child should ever contract measles.  If yours do, you're a bad parent, and you should feel bad for being ignorant, negligent, and stupid.
 
2014-03-15 08:34:05 AM  

EvilEgg: My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.


According to the article 20% of the people who got measles were vaccinated.

And that is what they mean by herd immunity. If your immune system isn't up to it, nobody around you has it either so you're good. But as soon as the #$-%++ anti-vaxxers start coming down with it all bets are off.
 
2014-03-15 08:58:17 AM  

enry: And that is what they mean by herd immunity.


Herd immunity is a bad moral argument that allows the anti vaccine people to exist in the first place. They're counting on you vaccinating your kids so they don't have to. We should keep the whole concept out of the thought process.

What you should do is think of the world as a pitched WWI trench battle. Bullets and shells are coming at you from every direction. A vaccine is like a sandbag. It can only give you a tiny, little chance extra of not getting picked off. But the more you get, the better your chances overall. Sure, if we all get all of them, it's helps everyone, but it's never going to be 100% so you shouldn't rely on it. Watch out for number 1 first and foremost, and help your kids do the same. Make those who don't get vaccines fear for their children's lives, and watch them decide "possible autism" is better than certain painful death.

You catch more flies with greed than with altruism.
 
2014-03-15 08:59:18 AM  
Morons.
 
2014-03-15 09:02:56 AM  
An anti vax trifecta is in play.
 
2014-03-15 10:08:42 AM  

doglover: enry: And that is what they mean by herd immunity.

Herd immunity is a bad moral argument that allows the anti vaccine people to exist in the first place. They're counting on you vaccinating your kids so they don't have to. We should keep the whole concept out of the thought process.

What you should do is think of the world as a pitched WWI trench battle. Bullets and shells are coming at you from every direction. A vaccine is like a sandbag. It can only give you a tiny, little chance extra of not getting picked off. But the more you get, the better your chances overall. Sure, if we all get all of them, it's helps everyone, but it's never going to be 100% so you shouldn't rely on it. Watch out for number 1 first and foremost, and help your kids do the same. Make those who don't get vaccines fear for their children's lives, and watch them decide "possible autism" is better than certain painful death.

You catch more flies with greed than with altruism.


Yeah, but my friend's neighbor's cousin got shot while putting the sandbag up, so it's not worth it.
 
2014-03-15 10:22:01 AM  
....and then listen to Jay Cutler about the benefits of smoking.
 
2014-03-15 10:34:21 AM  

enry: doglover: enry: And that is what they mean by herd immunity.

Herd immunity is a bad moral argument that allows the anti vaccine people to exist in the first place. They're counting on you vaccinating your kids so they don't have to. We should keep the whole concept out of the thought process.

What you should do is think of the world as a pitched WWI trench battle. Bullets and shells are coming at you from every direction. A vaccine is like a sandbag. It can only give you a tiny, little chance extra of not getting picked off. But the more you get, the better your chances overall. Sure, if we all get all of them, it's helps everyone, but it's never going to be 100% so you shouldn't rely on it. Watch out for number 1 first and foremost, and help your kids do the same. Make those who don't get vaccines fear for their children's lives, and watch them decide "possible autism" is better than certain painful death.

You catch more flies with greed than with altruism.

Yeah, but my friend's neighbor's cousin got shot while putting the sandbag up, so it's not worth it.



If you appeal to my cowardice by making me think of germs as little bullets being shot by some paramecium in a Prussian helmet, and shots as the only chance to stay alive, I'll get the shots to keep the mini-krauts away, because I'm really stupid. However, because the metaphor is honest, it's not actually immoral because you're not lying. It's educational.

And that's really the big problem. You have widespread ignorance all over America. Not ignorance of science, as that's unavoidable, but ignorance of the educational process as a whole. So many entitled people crying about stuff because they want others to do things for them. Take that attitude into a classroom and the kids will eat you alive in minutes. On the other hand, offer them a chance to goof off and have some fun, and they'll be eating out of your hand like a trained pony. All you have to do is make the game so it imparts some kind of useful knowledge and kindles the spark inside that might inspire one or two of them to look for more on their own and boom! You've got educated kids.

Anti-vaxers' ignorance is vulnerable to the same tactic. You tell them about herd immunity, you're basically demanding that they draw a line in the sand to spite you. But get them having fun with fantastic imagery and exciting fun, and pretty soon they'll be educated. And the best part is, once they're educated, they can't feel betrayed because at no point did you actually lie to them. You just gave the truth a spit shine with a little fancy metaphor.
 
2014-03-15 10:52:18 AM  
If the kids die of easily preventable diseases, does that count towards a Darwin Award?
 
2014-03-15 11:02:33 AM  

EvilEgg: My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.


Unfortunately many vaccines don't work that way.
 
2014-03-15 11:02:53 AM  
Thinking I should get a titer.......
 
2014-03-15 11:09:50 AM  
What's a little epidemic here and there, huh?

/keeps the herd thinned a little
 
2014-03-15 11:32:45 AM  

SilentStrider: If the kids die of easily preventable diseases, does that count towards a Darwin Award?


Only if the parents were the ones who decided not to vaccinate the kid who dies. Unfortunately, innocent people who got vaccinated and have compromised immune systems for other reasons (chemo patients, old people, etc.) can get caught in the web of stupid.
 
2014-03-15 11:44:40 AM  

Nabb1: EvilEgg: My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.

Unfortunately many vaccines don't work that way.


And it's not like they can get vaccinated the second they're born.  The best you can do, and not with all vaccines, is vaccinate the mother while she's pregnant to attempt to provide some immunity.  Unfortunately the MMR vaccine is not one you can have when you're pregnant.
 
2014-03-15 11:45:51 AM  

EvilEgg: My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.


The problem is that vaccines aren't like impenetrable shields. They're more like flood walls.

If you get exposed to a high enough viral load, you can still get it, even if you're vaccinated.
 
2014-03-15 11:50:07 AM  
My dad realized, when they were celebrating the 50th anniversary of the polio vaccine, that he got polio well after the vaccine was available. The way he feels about his parents in light of their failure to vaccinate him is impossible for me to put into words.

It is my dearest hope that all the (surviving) kids of anti-vaxxers turn their backs on their horrible parents as soon as they are able.

/my immune system is slightly better than that of an AIDS patient
//thanks for putting my life at risk because you don't believe in science
 
2014-03-15 11:51:49 AM  
Is there anyway I can reverse the vaccinations I received as a child? This autism threat has me worried.
 
2014-03-15 11:53:34 AM  

enry: According to the article 20% of the people who got measles were vaccinated.


Yup.  I'm one of those people who's been vaccinated multiple times for measles--the original jabs as a kid, plus a couple boosters as an adult--but my titers keep telling the docs that I'm not immune at all.
 
2014-03-15 11:55:00 AM  

EvilEgg: My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.


Done in one. With a booster five years later.
 
2014-03-15 11:55:01 AM  
I really wish there was a way for any parent who decides to not vaccinate their kids to lose their immunity as well.  Stupid actions should have consequences but the problem here is the kids are paying for the consequences of the parents' stupid actions.
 
2014-03-15 11:55:26 AM  
There's one going on east of Vancouver, BC at the moment.
 
2014-03-15 11:57:17 AM  
Ok, start the hate
A) my name references the old DEC series
B) as I always post, my daughter was killed by a reaction to the pertussis vaccine
C) our current kid has every shot but the pertussis

/oh gosh the usual flames
// parents please discuss issues with your doctor
/// jenny is an ass
 
2014-03-15 11:58:32 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: No American child should ever contract measles.  If yours do, you're a bad parent, and you should feel bad for being ignorant, negligent, and stupid.


Some children legitimately can't be vaccinated for medical reasons.  That said, any kid who can be vaccinated without issue and isn't is a threat to the whole.
 
2014-03-15 11:59:06 AM  
ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2014-03-15 11:59:12 AM  

EvilEgg: My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.


Oh no; you still have a dog in this fight, and it had better have strong jaws.  Most if not all vaccines are not 100% effective.  What keeps your kids safe is *everyone* getting vaccinated, and then the disease can't establish a solid foothold.  One or two may get it--- if, say, they travel somewhere less vaccinated-- and they might infect one or two more when they get home, but the disease just won't be able to infect enough people and the chain is broken before becoming an epidemic.

If, like you, I had kids... vaccinated or not I'd join in the barking.  Loud as I could.

/my dog is vaccinated against kennel cough, but if I hear of one dog at the park who might have it-- we leave, and don't come back for a few days.  That shiat is deadly.  Kind of like measles can be.
 
2014-03-15 11:59:17 AM  
And if there's any question about the delusions and pure stupidity of anti-vaxxers, just read the first 20 or so comments from TFA. Small pox and polio were on the way out by themselves when the vaccines came out and Jonas Salk himself said that polio was caused by the vaccine.
 
2014-03-15 12:00:30 PM  
Many of the measles outbreaks here in the U.S. originate after an unvaccinated individual has traveled abroad and contracted the disease there.

Let's just deny passports to be issued to the unvaccinated or entrance to the country for the same.
 
2014-03-15 12:00:34 PM  
McCarthy and this C are about to leave a lot of bodies in their stupidity.
 
2014-03-15 12:01:04 PM  

doglover: enry: And that is what they mean by herd immunity.

Herd immunity is a bad moral argument that allows the anti vaccine people to exist in the first place. They're counting on you vaccinating your kids so they don't have to. We should keep the whole concept out of the thought process.


It makes me nervous when I read something you wrote and think you might be right.
 
2014-03-15 12:03:39 PM  
Measles vaccines were not available when I was little so our family all had the usual diseases (we were pre-schoolers when the polio vaccine came out so we got that as well as smallpox and DPT). I got measles at 4 and have been deaf in one ear because of it ever since. Any time I come across an anti-vaxxer I ask them why they are willing to trust faulty research over the truth right in front of them: vaccines are safe, measles can do serious harm.
 
2014-03-15 12:07:13 PM  

Valiente: EvilEgg: My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.

Done in one. With a booster five years later.


Another one whose kids are going to die of Ignorant Smug.

thatsnothowvaccineswork.jpg
 
2014-03-15 12:08:55 PM  
www.mattbors.com
 
2014-03-15 12:09:29 PM  
Most doctors will tell you that if you're about to become a parent and haven't had a pertussis (whooping cough) booster in over a decade or so, you should have it done before your child is born. The reason is, children are very susceptible to pertussis, and that's a vaccine they have to wait until their second or even third round to get. So, anti-vaccine parents are not only keeping their kids from getting vaccines, they're opting not to get their own boosters and putting their child in even more danger.

In fact, after the anti-vax movement really started to take off, pertussis was one of the first outbreaks the U.S. saw. I'd have to look it up but I believe it was in the Pacific-Northwest area around 2010 or so. At some point these parents need to ask themselves if they're rather risk having a kid that lives with autism or one that dies from a communicable disease.
 
2014-03-15 12:09:36 PM  
What's so sad is how un-self-aware these people are. You listen to them talk and they really believe they're doing good. What's even sadder is how many look at them as strong women defiant in the face of I-don't-even-know-what... Medical science demons? It's like a case of really ignorant 8yos stamping they're feet saying, "I'm smart too dammit!"
 
2014-03-15 12:10:21 PM  

doglover: A good rule of thumb is when someone, especially a new mother, says "Let's stop X, for the children." not only are they wrong, but people are going to die horribly if you listen to them.

Another good rule of thumb is, in matters of health, do what doctors do. Find me the doctor who doesn't get his children vaccinated. Go on, I'll wait.


Headi Fleiss's dad is the go-to pediatrician in my neighborhood for the anti-vaxxer crowd. So maybe Heidi and her sibs didn't get vaccinated. which would explain some things. Or not.

/CSB
 
2014-03-15 12:12:31 PM  

SilentStrider: If the kids die of easily preventable diseases, does that count towards a Darwin Award?


Nope

Even the Darwin Awards have rules.
 
2014-03-15 12:13:55 PM  

geek_mars: Most doctors will tell you that if you're about to become a parent and haven't had a pertussis (whooping cough) booster in over a decade or so, you should have it done before your child is born. The reason is, children are very susceptible to pertussis, and that's a vaccine they have to wait until their second or even third round to get. So, anti-vaccine parents are not only keeping their kids from getting vaccines, they're opting not to get their own boosters and putting their child in even more danger.

In fact, after the anti-vax movement really started to take off, pertussis was one of the first outbreaks the U.S. saw. I'd have to look it up but I believe it was in the Pacific-Northwest area around 2010 or so. At some point these parents need to ask themselves if they're rather risk having a kid that lives with autism or one that dies from a communicable disease.


My wife and I are friends with a couple, the wife is a new mother, and evidently, a bit of a dipshiat. She disregarded getting her child vaccinated for whooping cough, or herself, and guess what the kid came down with?
 
2014-03-15 12:14:46 PM  
I still don't understand why these people aren't being thrown in prison and having their kids taken away. I must have missed the part in the constitution where you have the inalienable right to  farking endanger the lives of people around you because you're too farking ignorant to comprehend basic immunological principles that were worked out like a century ago.

Seriously, fark these people. Shoot them in the farking heads and bill their families for the ammunition. I am sick of stupid, ignorant morons that don't understand how the world works being allowed to fark things up for the people who aren't drooling, stupid farksticks.
 
2014-03-15 12:16:43 PM  

catmandu: Measles vaccines were not available when I was little so our family all had the usual diseases (we were pre-schoolers when the polio vaccine came out so we got that as well as smallpox and DPT). I got measles at 4 and have been deaf in one ear because of it ever since. Any time I come across an anti-vaxxer I ask them why they are willing to trust faulty research over the truth right in front of them: vaccines are safe, measles can do serious harm.


It because vaccines are so damn good.  If you are a Gen-Xer or slightly older, you likely don't have many (if any) recollections of mass outbreaks of disease.  I'm a solid Gen-X demographic, and beyond a few kids getting chicken pox,I vaguely remember some whooping cough stories on the news when I very young. I don't recall any mass outbreaks of other things.  My parents remember some of their friends in quarantine, whooping cough victims, some crippled or dis-figured from other diseases.  My grand parents remember far worse outbreaks of other contagious diseases.

So now we have at least 2 generations of population that have never really faced what these things can do on a large community scale.  So they don't think it was really all that bad and would rather have an easy answer as to why their child is not perfectly normal.
 
2014-03-15 12:16:44 PM  
I for one am shocked, shocked I say, that a progressive, highly taxed place, with a pinko commie mayor like NYC would have this problem
 
2014-03-15 12:22:20 PM  

EvilEgg: My kids are all vaccinated, so you idiots are on your own.


This right here

Let's let Darwin out if the box for a while.
 
2014-03-15 12:22:36 PM  
I like the part in the comments where the two idiots find each other:  "Steven Jay Klein The article is a lie!" (You Lie!)

"Ty Caulfield I agree with you Ty, I am shocked that anyone would consider this journalism. Amazing that this is the technological age and yet no one looks to both sides of an issue!" (Ty Caulfield, we are two adorable threats to public health, Ty Caulfield.")
 
2014-03-15 12:22:44 PM  

FizixJunkee: enry: According to the article 20% of the people who got measles were vaccinated.

Yup.  I'm one of those people who's been vaccinated multiple times for measles--the original jabs as a kid, plus a couple boosters as an adult--but my titers keep telling the docs that I'm not immune at all.


What are you diluting yourself with? ;-)
 
2014-03-15 12:22:57 PM  
Is it wrong to hope these people's kids die from measles or polio then are so devastated that they kill themselves?
 
2014-03-15 12:23:49 PM  
We are just in a relearning cycle. Next up real war. (it's really really bad)
 
2014-03-15 12:25:19 PM  

hasty ambush: I for one am shocked, shocked I say, that a progressive, highly taxed place, with a pinko commie mayor like NYC would have this problem


Well someone had to be more retarded than the anti-vaccers. Congratulations.
 
2014-03-15 12:26:40 PM  
Sixteen cases in all of NYC is an outbreak?  Really?

Measles outbreaks ten times as large have happened on college campuses - despite vaccinations.  Nobody ever mentions that the damned things don't even work.

/had my shots
//had the measles, too
///three decades ago, granted
 
2014-03-15 12:27:51 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Many of the measles outbreaks here in the U.S. originate after an unvaccinated individual has traveled abroad and contracted the disease there.

Let's just deny passports to be issued to the unvaccinated or entrance to the country for the same.


[I'mokwiththat.jpg]

I wonder what the overlap or correlation is between "people who travel internationally" and "people who neglect to get proper vaccinations," though?
 
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