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2014-03-15 02:11:36 AM
Hijacking theory is bullshiat
 
2014-03-15 02:12:30 AM
They ID'd the two passengers with fake IDs as two Iranian men from Qatar. http://www.kfiam640.com/articles/national-news-104668/mystery-malaysi a -passengers-ided-12143585?cmp=obinsite But I'm sure they weren't up to anything nefarious, right? That would be profiling, right?

/right?
//right??
 
2014-03-15 02:13:12 AM

Confabulat: What's left? Magic? Time rifts?


A plane that had an accident that damaged its wing had that repair fail and the wing fell off, pluging it into the ocean.

But you know, that has too many facts going for it to be true.
 
2014-03-15 02:14:18 AM
So, have they questioned this guy yet?

www.gonemovies.com
 
2014-03-15 02:16:02 AM

JonnyBGoode: They ID'd the two passengers with fake IDs as two Iranian men from Qatar. http://www.kfiam640.com/articles/national-news-104668/mystery-malaysi a -passengers-ided-12143585?cmp=obinsite But I'm sure they weren't up to anything nefarious, right? That would be profiling, right?

/right?
//right??


Congratulations on finding news the rest of us knew on Tuesday.

And why hijack a plane if you're already planning on going to Europe?
 
2014-03-15 02:16:05 AM
So one theory on these threads are that the North Koreans hijacked the 777 for nefarious purposes.  An airplane produced since 1993 and has 1,178 units produced so far according to Wiki.  An airplane that is Boeing's best seller and is probably operated by every other airline on the planet.

A plane so rare they couldn't possibly get it second hand through black market sources in Africa, Russia, India or some other place.  Or FFS buy it from through their Chinese friends.

What's the next stupid theory, folks?
 
2014-03-15 02:18:06 AM

SirEattonHogg: So one theory on these threads are that the North Koreans hijacked the 777 for nefarious purposes.  An airplane produced since 1993 and has 1,178 units produced so far according to Wiki.  An airplane that is Boeing's best seller and is probably operated by every other airline on the planet.

A plane so rare they couldn't possibly get it second hand through black market sources in Africa, Russia, India or some other place.  Or FFS buy it from through their Chinese friends.

What's the next stupid theory, folks?


Fox News is already assuming it's terrorism and are currently theorizing who is responsible.
 
2014-03-15 02:18:25 AM

Egalitarian: James Bond theories aside, I wonder if there was a sudden loss of pressure in the cockpit, the pilots passed out and died, and the plane kept on going over ocean water until it ran out of fuel.


From what I've read on pprune, well beyond extremely unlikely.
 
2014-03-15 02:19:47 AM

cretinbob: Hijacking theory is bullshiat


Why? Did your momma already get her Ho-Hos?
 
2014-03-15 02:21:07 AM

JonnyBGoode: They ID'd the two passengers with fake IDs as two Iranian men from Qatar. http://www.kfiam640.com/articles/national-news-104668/mystery-malaysi a -passengers-ided-12143585?cmp=obinsite But I'm sure they weren't up to anything nefarious, right? That would be profiling, right?



This was settled earlier in the week. They were booked all the way through to Europe, they had paid something like $10,000 for the fake IDs, their friends said they were going to seek asylum.
 
2014-03-15 02:22:03 AM

JonnyBGoode: They ID'd the two passengers with fake IDs as two Iranian men from Qatar. http://www.kfiam640.com/articles/national-news-104668/mystery-malaysi a -passengers-ided-12143585?cmp=obinsite But I'm sure they weren't up to anything nefarious, right? That would be profiling, right?


I really don't see why two Iranians would take down some random Chinese flight from Malaysia. It's much more likely they were just the typical users of forged passports: illegal immigrants.
 
2014-03-15 02:22:15 AM

SirEattonHogg: So one theory on these threads are that the North Koreans hijacked the 777 for nefarious purposes.  An airplane produced since 1993 and has 1,178 units produced so far according to Wiki.  An airplane that is Boeing's best seller and is probably operated by every other airline on the planet.

A plane so rare they couldn't possibly get it second hand through black market sources in Africa, Russia, India or some other place.  Or FFS buy it from through their Chinese friends.

What's the next stupid theory, folks?


rynthetyn: ontariolightning: Mrtraveler01: rynthetyn: In any case, the news conference with the Malaysian PM is imminent.

30 minutes behind schedule. They're even inept at holding news conferences.

an hour actually

So much for my initial plan to go to bed at a decent hour tonight.


Here's some reading for you: link
 
2014-03-15 02:22:32 AM

digistil: From what I've read on pprune, well beyond extremely unlikely.


It might be, but it would explain a few things.
 
2014-03-15 02:23:11 AM
Press conference from Malaysia going on right now. Claymation dude is taking his time though...
 
2014-03-15 02:23:34 AM

cretinbob: A plane that had an accident that damaged its wing had that repair fail and the wing fell off, pluging it into the ocean.

But you know, that has too many facts going for it to be true.


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2014-03-15 02:24:03 AM
Well Fox News had their terror expert on who asked that "Is the distance between where the plane was and East Africa or Arabia possible?" and then just a few seconds later showed a map that indicated that it wasn't possible.

Bang up job you're doing there Fox News.
 
2014-03-15 02:24:47 AM

rkiller1: Perhaps it hasn't yet pushed back from the gate?  Did anyone think to look there?


How come, in every thread about this, everyone acts they're the first one to come up with this joke? It was stupid the first time someone posted it, and it hasn't gotten any less stupid the next 50 times people posted it.
 
2014-03-15 02:24:55 AM

Mrtraveler01:

Fox News is already assuming it's terrorism and are currently theorizing who is responsible trying to figure out how to pin it on Obama.

 
2014-03-15 02:26:39 AM

God-is-a-Taco: I really don't see why two Iranians would take down some random Chinese flight from Malaysia


If it is a hijacking, I'd hardly call it "random." These people knew exactly where to steal a 777 at a place it wouldn't be noticed missing for awhile.
 
2014-03-15 02:27:22 AM
Malaysian press conference just said they believe with a high degree of certainty that the communication systems were turned off intentionally. Also stating that satellite data indicates deliberate movements after it changed course.
 
2014-03-15 02:27:36 AM

Mrtraveler01: Egalitarian: James Bond theories aside, I wonder if there was a sudden loss of pressure in the cockpit, the pilots passed out and died, and the plane kept on going over ocean water until it ran out of fuel.

I'm starting to think that's a possibility. Although it doesn't explain why the transponder quit working.


yeah, that theory has already been covered

but it just doesn't have enough fantasy elements to it.
 
2014-03-15 02:30:36 AM
MrTraveler01Fox News is already assuming it's terrorism and are currently theorizing who is responsible.


My theory is 14K Triad gang members hijacked the plane for parts and "white slavery".  Crash landing it in isolated North Sentinel Island by cutting a deal with the local natives to hand over the fattest passengers for a feast and some various colorful beads. With the rest of the passengers being sold off as slaves to FoxConn for assembling Apple Ipads or to the ship breaking yards in Chittagong, Bangladesh.   A few of the good looking female passengers are now sex slaves in various Dongguan karaoke lounges.

About as plausible as anything else.
 
2014-03-15 02:31:28 AM
Yeah, the Iranians with stolen passports did it. The flight crew and passengers fought back. Case closed. The Indian Ocean has them now.
 
2014-03-15 02:32:49 AM
They are just saying hijacking because they don't want the world to think they're loons. What they REALLY believe is that the plane was taken over by spirits and dragged to a phantom dimension, where the passengers now have to find a way home while surviving the challenges coming from hungry ghosts, strange new animals, and lusty fellow survivors.
 
2014-03-15 02:33:18 AM

zerkalo: Yeah, the Iranians with stolen passports did it. The flight crew and passengers fought back. Case closed. The Indian Ocean has them now.


Yes, I'm sure a 19 yr old kid would know how to fly a 777.
 
2014-03-15 02:33:52 AM

GreenSun: They are just saying hijacking because they don't want the world to think they're loons. What they REALLY believe is that the plane was taken over by spirits and dragged to a phantom dimension, where the passengers now have to find a way home while surviving the challenges coming from hungry ghosts, strange new animals, and lusty fellow survivors.


Should've used 3 coconuts.

d.ibtimes.co.uk
 
2014-03-15 02:34:25 AM
calbert: Mrtraveler01:
Egalitarian: James Bond theories aside, I wonder if there was a sudden loss of pressure in the cockpit, the pilots passed out and died, and the plane kept on going over ocean water until it ran out of fuel.

I'm starting to think that's a possibility. Although it doesn't explain why the transponder quit working.

yeah, that theory has
but it just doesn't have enough fantasy elements to it.



I keep hearing that depressurization theory, but after the Helios Airline accident, didn't the plane makers put in some kind of warning system if that happened?
 
2014-03-15 02:34:27 AM

CraicBaby: zerkalo: Yeah, the Iranians with stolen passports did it. The flight crew and passengers fought back. Case closed. The Indian Ocean has them now.

Yes, I'm sure a 19 yr old kid would know how to fly a 777.



And I'm sure two skinny dudes could hijack an entire plane full over 200+ people and get through the security door into the cockpit.
 
2014-03-15 02:34:33 AM

propasaurus: Fox News is already assuming it's terrorism and are currently theorizing who is responsible trying to figure out how to pin it on Obama.


Why are you even joking about this?  Did you hear the flight recording?  Dude got on the intercom and told everyone that "Change has come...to your flight path."  Then it probably crashed into the ocean because he wasted all the fuel, because that's what liberals do.  They waste resources.

You just have to wonder how many times Taxbongo is going to get impeached for this.
 
2014-03-15 02:35:16 AM

CraicBaby: zerkalo: Yeah, the Iranians with stolen passports did it. The flight crew and passengers fought back. Case closed. The Indian Ocean has them now.

Yes, I'm sure a 19 yr old kid would know how to fly a 777.


Call the Airforce, no need to recruit 18-year-olds to go into flight school
 
2014-03-15 02:36:16 AM

CraicBaby: Yes, I'm sure a 19 yr old kid would know how to fly a 777.


Fly, yes. Land... no.
 
2014-03-15 02:36:20 AM
Is there a good reason a commercial aircraft should be able to turn off its transponder while in flight? It seems to me that an aircraft should be broadcasting its position as long as its engines are running.

The Malaysian government and/or military knows way more than they're saying.
 
2014-03-15 02:36:32 AM

zerkalo: Call the Airforce, no need to recruit 18-year-olds to go into flight school


Do you know how many years of flight school you have to complete to get skilled enough to fly a 777?
 
2014-03-15 02:37:07 AM
So they're saying that the last satellite information was at 8:17am Malaysia time, it could have gone a long way with that. As in, they're looking over Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan according the the claymation dude.
 
2014-03-15 02:38:46 AM

rynthetyn: So they're saying that the last satellite information was at 8:17am Malaysia time, it could have gone a long way with that. As in, they're looking over Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan according the the claymation dude.


It didn't have enough fuel. It was just heading in that direction. It's probably in the middle of the Indian Ocean somewhere.
 
2014-03-15 02:39:35 AM

Confabulat: God-is-a-Taco: I really don't see why two Iranians would take down some random Chinese flight from Malaysia

If it is a hijacking, I'd hardly call it "random." These people knew exactly where to steal a 777 at a place it wouldn't be noticed missing for awhile.


What I mean is: why the Chinese? What's their motivation? I thought Syria was the place to seek entry to paradise from these days.
 
2014-03-15 02:41:10 AM

shower_in_my_socks: zerkalo: Call the Airforce, no need to recruit 18-year-olds to go into flight school

Do you know how many years of flight school you have to complete to get skilled enough to fly a 777?


Also, flying a fighter jet isn't the same as flying a commercial jet. Not only that, the Air Force doesn't just let 18 yrs hop in the cockpit of a jet. They undergo lots and lots of training.
 
2014-03-15 02:41:44 AM

God-is-a-Taco: What I mean is: why the Chinese? What's their motivation? I thought Syria was the place to seek entry to paradise from these days.


Well if I wanted to steal an airplane, I wouldn't worry about who it belonged do, I'd worry about how easy it would be to get. Stealing one over an ocean with no radar sounds lots easier than stealing one over Ohio.
 
2014-03-15 02:42:14 AM

CraicBaby: shower_in_my_socks: zerkalo: Call the Airforce, no need to recruit 18-year-olds to go into flight school

Do you know how many years of flight school you have to complete to get skilled enough to fly a 777?

Also, flying a fighter jet isn't the same as flying a commercial jet. Not only that, the Air Force doesn't just let 18 yrs hop in the cockpit of a jet. They undergo lots and lots of training.


Odds that the pilot or co-pilot were going rogue?
 
2014-03-15 02:42:47 AM

Mrtraveler01: rynthetyn: So they're saying that the last satellite information was at 8:17am Malaysia time, it could have gone a long way with that. As in, they're looking over Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan according the the claymation dude.

It didn't have enough fuel. It was just heading in that direction. It's probably in the middle of the Indian Ocean somewhere.


Yeah, it only had about 8 hrs' worth of fuel because it was planning on refueling in China.
 
2014-03-15 02:43:59 AM

Confabulat: God-is-a-Taco: What I mean is: why the Chinese? What's their motivation? I thought Syria was the place to seek entry to paradise from these days.

Well if I wanted to steal an airplane, I wouldn't worry about who it belonged do, I'd worry about how easy it would be to get. Stealing one over an ocean with no radar sounds lots easier than stealing one over Ohio.


Although it's been done.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-15 02:44:23 AM

Confabulat: God-is-a-Taco: What I mean is: why the Chinese? What's their motivation? I thought Syria was the place to seek entry to paradise from these days.

Well if I wanted to steal an airplane, I wouldn't worry about who it belonged do, I'd worry about how easy it would be to get. Stealing one over an ocean with no radar sounds lots easier than stealing one over Ohio.


True enough.
I guess you'd have to figure out if his mom in Germany was legitimately expecting him to arrive or not.
 
2014-03-15 02:45:15 AM

Mrtraveler01: Odds that the pilot or co-pilot were going rogue?


Yeah, the raid on the pilot's house yesterday coincided with the whole hijacking angle gaining steam. They claimed it was routine, but I don't buy that. If the unnamed official from a couple of hours ago is correct that the plane was clearly being flown by a skilled pilot after communcations were turned off, and that they knew where to fly to avoid radar detection, then it was being flown by someone who was skilled and knew the region well enough to know how to duck the radar. That puts the two guys already in the cockpit as the primary suspects.
 
2014-03-15 02:45:48 AM

Mrtraveler01: CraicBaby: shower_in_my_socks: zerkalo: Call the Airforce, no need to recruit 18-year-olds to go into flight school

Do you know how many years of flight school you have to complete to get skilled enough to fly a 777?

Also, flying a fighter jet isn't the same as flying a commercial jet. Not only that, the Air Force doesn't just let 18 yrs hop in the cockpit of a jet. They undergo lots and lots of training.

Odds that the pilot or co-pilot were going rogue?


nicedoggie.net
 
2014-03-15 02:48:17 AM
I for one enjoy a completely open-ended mystery.
 
2014-03-15 02:48:50 AM
and how do we know that this isn't viral marketing for something?

Is Malaysia promoting an energy drink? maybe they're launching an app?

maybe they're trying to promote tourism by having the world's cameras come to them and film all the people, culture, and wonders of "Malaysia: Unity is Strength"?

free publicity is always good.
 
2014-03-15 02:49:57 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Mrtraveler01: Odds that the pilot or co-pilot were going rogue?

Yeah, the raid on the pilot's house yesterday coincided with the whole hijacking angle gaining steam. They claimed it was routine, but I don't buy that. If the unnamed official from a couple of hours ago is correct that the plane was clearly being flown by a skilled pilot after communcations were turned off, and that they knew where to fly to avoid radar detection, then it was being flown by someone who was skilled and knew the region well enough to know how to duck the radar. That puts the two guys already in the cockpit as the primary suspects.


I agree.

I know people are going to look at the Iranians with the fake passports again but I doubt they were skilled enough to know how to shut the transponders off as well as which flight paths to take. Even the 9/11 attackers weren't that skilled which makes me doubt that those guys could be more skillful than that.
 
2014-03-15 02:50:35 AM

Mrtraveler01: rynthetyn: So they're saying that the last satellite information was at 8:17am Malaysia time, it could have gone a long way with that. As in, they're looking over Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan according the the claymation dude.

It didn't have enough fuel. It was just heading in that direction. It's probably in the middle of the Indian Ocean somewhere.


Just saying what they said at the press conference--that the last satellite contact was over 7 hours after they lost radar and that the northern corridor they think it could be in stretches as far as the border between Kazakhstan and Turkmenistan.
 
2014-03-15 02:52:35 AM

calbert: and how do we know that this isn't viral marketing for something?



It was stolen by Madison Avenue strategists to drive clicks and 24-hour news channel viewership so they can sell *everything*. It sure beats paying actors, cameramen, gaffers, and union wages.
 
2014-03-15 02:53:59 AM
Yeah, how many YEARS experience do you need to push the yoke over 90 degrees and pull the CVR circuits?
 
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