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(RealClear)   After 37 years on lam, killer caught in Florida via facial recognition database. Neighbors are stunned. "If we had any air conditioning problems, we would go to him"   (realclear.com) divider line 57
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2014-03-14 08:15:13 PM
This case explains why the feds stopped complaining so much about REAL ID noncompliance. With state DMV cooperation they have a national biometric database of almost everybody.
 
2014-03-14 08:42:35 PM
This is pretty darn scary.
 
2014-03-14 08:51:46 PM
37 years on cat food?
 
2014-03-14 08:55:44 PM
I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...
 
2014-03-14 08:56:31 PM
Well... I guess he wins.  Since it was a 23-year sentence, he's basically switched the missing years from the prime of his life to the segment where he's farking old and will need on-site medical supervision anyway.

Dude basically turned a murder conviction into a free nursing home.  Impressive.
 
2014-03-14 09:05:14 PM
Congratulations on not using "lamb", Subby.
 
2014-03-14 09:08:32 PM
Who's Iam?
 
2014-03-14 09:09:35 PM

ZAZ: This case explains why the feds stopped complaining so much about REAL ID noncompliance. With state DMV cooperation they have a national biometric database of almost everybody.


Only if the person in the photo is actually the persson who's holding the ID.
 
2014-03-14 09:09:46 PM

PhiloeBedoe: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...


And we all know that's one thing you WON'T be if you go to prison.
 
2014-03-14 09:11:41 PM
lamb*
 
2014-03-14 09:12:12 PM
I thought they only had those in cheesy cop procedurals.
 
2014-03-14 09:16:48 PM
I'm 59 and he looks like my uncles.
 
2014-03-14 09:19:25 PM

bojon: I'm 59 and he looks like my uncles.


I guess being "on the lam" ages a dude.
 
2014-03-14 09:20:25 PM

Antidamascus: lamb*


lammb
/pet peeve
 
2014-03-14 09:21:33 PM

Jim_Callahan: Well... I guess he wins.  Since it was a 23-year sentence, he's basically switched the missing years from the prime of his life to the segment where he's farking old and will need on-site medical supervision anyway.

Dude basically turned a murder conviction into a free nursing home.  Impressive.


WINNING
 
2014-03-14 09:23:06 PM
Amateur below:
assets.nydailynews.com
 
2014-03-14 09:25:14 PM

PhiloeBedoe: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...


This.

Check his record(s). Are they clean? So much as a parking ticket? If they are... time served.
 
2014-03-14 09:26:14 PM

PhiloeBedoe: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...


But he probably didn't cause any trouble only because he's wanted.
 
2014-03-14 09:26:52 PM

TedCruz'sCrazyDad: This is pretty darn scary.


THIS
 
2014-03-14 09:28:05 PM
Just think what the Feds can do when Hillary takes over Obsma's drones and the NSA.
 
2014-03-14 09:29:47 PM

Begoggle: PhiloeBedoe: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...

But he probably didn't cause any trouble only because he's wanted.


Everyone commit one big crime and they'll never do anything bad again for fear of getting caught. I like it.
 
2014-03-14 09:32:31 PM

svanmeter: Just think what the Feds can do when Hillary takes over Obsma's drones and the NSA.


Don't worry, Jeb Bush will bring America back to it's values.

And Secretary of State Sarah Palin will make short work of Putin, and make Crimea the 51st state.
 
2014-03-14 09:33:49 PM
our government is too prideful to grant any kind of clemency. they'll probably want to send him up the river for the temerity of escaping prison.
 
2014-03-14 09:34:42 PM
The biggest limitations we have right now are.

1) Storage Capacity (to store shiatloads of still/video images)
2) Processing speed (to process shiatloads of still/video images)
3) Accuracy

As time goes on, these three limitations will become less and less pronunced, and before you know it.

static.tvtome.com

/*

I saw a 'search' demo about a decade ago where they showed their security suite scanning license plates and faces, correlating the data over time with individuals and their associates.

EX, you could search for a license plate, see all the times it was on site. See where on the site it parked. And then see if there were any other vehicles or individuals that were usually on site at the same time.

It was an interesting demo ... but at the time we were just looking for an enterprise level search solution (we wanted to search documents in multiple systems) and weren't concerned about site security (site security == not my department).

I can only imagine the sort of shiat a decade of advancement has produced, not to mention the stuff that's not available to purchase by a regular corporation.

*/
 
2014-03-14 09:36:19 PM
I also used to say 4) access

But apparently, accessing massive amounts of data for spying purposes isn't an issue anymore.
 
2014-03-14 09:45:38 PM

svanmeter: Just think what the Feds can do when Hillary takes over Obsma's drones and the NSA.


They can make people like you piss your pants?
 
2014-03-14 09:48:16 PM
I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated..

I'll go further than that. Based on what little info the article had on his original crime, it sounds like he was sent away for self defense. I'd say he never should have been convicted in the first place.
 
2014-03-14 09:51:37 PM
Ft Leavenworth is very pretty. I've been there a few times and hiked around it.

/ end csb
 
2014-03-14 10:04:29 PM

hogans: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated..

I'll go further than that. Based on what little info the article had on his original crime, it sounds like he was sent away for self defense. I'd say he never should have been convicted in the first place.


Unfortunately he's going to serve out his sentence as well as probably get an "Escape" charge added. Sad fact is, he did commit a crime years ago and didn't serve his sentence. Much as I would say "hey, come on he didn't even have a parking ticket since!" He did commit a crime.
Thus being said, its bullshiat, I don't want to see him in jail because he did years of good behavior (not being arrested) but still, he killed someone! I can't tell you how many people I run across (being a rental property owner) that have a rap sheet that could eat up a dozen pages.

Its a 50/50 for me.
 
2014-03-14 10:05:34 PM

Kumana Wanalaia: svanmeter: Just think what the Feds can do when Hillary takes over Obsma's drones and the NSA.

Don't worry, Jeb Bush will bring America back to it's values.

And Secretary of State Sarah Palin will make short work of Putin, and make Crimea the 51st state.


Is rather have Putin for president than Hillary. She's scary.
 
2014-03-14 10:07:50 PM
Some people aren't just good at one thing.
 
2014-03-14 10:08:15 PM
Fark this dude.  I say they give him a special little "recreation" area where he turns big rocks into little rocks for 12 hours a day like he would have been doing back when he escaped.  The piece of shiat stabbed a soldier to death while he was on liberty.

Fark him.
 
2014-03-14 10:31:12 PM
www.selfstoragefinders.com

/first? really?!
 
2014-03-14 10:39:34 PM
I'm kind of disturbed by how they caught him.

Does the automated compilation of photos by the government for potential facial analysis violate the 4th amendment? Did they have a warrant to run his old driver's license photo?
 
2014-03-14 10:44:35 PM

Brainsick: [www.selfstoragefinders.com image 640x361]

/first? really?!


We still have a 4th amendment?
 
2014-03-14 10:46:05 PM

doglover: Does the automated compilation of photos by the government for potential facial analysis violate the 4th amendment?


We still have a 4th amendment?

/replied to wrong post
 
2014-03-14 10:46:35 PM

doglover: I'm kind of disturbed by how they caught him.

Does the automated compilation of photos by the government for potential facial analysis violate the 4th amendment? Did they have a warrant to run his old driver's license photo?


That depends. Do you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the photograph that you willingly had taken in exchange for a driver's license?

How is it qualitatively different from having a DMV agent recognizing a guy's face from some unsolved mysteries show? I understand that it's more technologically advanced, but it's not the same as breaking into his house without a warrant and reading his journal.
 
2014-03-14 10:59:19 PM

Mugato: Brainsick: [www.selfstoragefinders.com image 640x361]

/first? really?!

We still have a 4th amendment?


That would actually be kind of apropos, if you thought Dexter was investigating someone else in that shot...

/of course, we know better...
 
2014-03-14 11:18:59 PM
Go ahead and face-recognize all you want. It'll just increase the demand for after-market parts.

highdefdiscnews.com
 
2014-03-14 11:28:19 PM

indylaw: doglover: I'm kind of disturbed by how they caught him.

Does the automated compilation of photos by the government for potential facial analysis violate the 4th amendment? Did they have a warrant to run his old driver's license photo?

That depends. Do you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the photograph that you willingly had taken in exchange for a driver's license?

How is it qualitatively different from having a DMV agent recognizing a guy's face from some unsolved mysteries show? I understand that it's more technologically advanced, but it's not the same as breaking into his house without a warrant and reading his journal.


You seriously answered that dumb question.  A government agency took the photo for the license, the photo is their property and therefore they need no warrant.  You only get one copy of that photo on the license you carry.  If you didn't want them having a photo of you, never get any form of photo ID, and never leave your house.

A federal gov. agency doesn't need a warrant to get info about you from a local gov. agency, they just ask.

/doglover gets 4/10 for one solid bite.
 
2014-03-14 11:35:08 PM

lack of warmth: indylaw: doglover: I'm kind of disturbed by how they caught him.

Does the automated compilation of photos by the government for potential facial analysis violate the 4th amendment? Did they have a warrant to run his old driver's license photo?

That depends. Do you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in the photograph that you willingly had taken in exchange for a driver's license?

How is it qualitatively different from having a DMV agent recognizing a guy's face from some unsolved mysteries show? I understand that it's more technologically advanced, but it's not the same as breaking into his house without a warrant and reading his journal.

You seriously answered that dumb question.  A government agency took the photo for the license, the photo is their property and therefore they need no warrant.  You only get one copy of that photo on the license you carry.  If you didn't want them having a photo of you, never get any form of photo ID, and never leave your house.

A federal gov. agency doesn't need a warrant to get info about you from a local gov. agency, they just ask.

/doglover gets 4/10 for one solid bite.


I honestly had no idea. I would assume the DMV's records are the DMV's property, not the government as a whole.
 
2014-03-15 12:11:59 AM
would have gotten away with it/ meddling kids something or other

I don't care who you are or what you do... you kill a family member of mine you need to know i will hunt you until the day you or I die. I am no coward... i have killed people because my country sent me to kill people... killing someone like this would not make me miss a second of sleep.
 
2014-03-15 12:22:27 AM

PhiloeBedoe: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...


Normally I might agree with you, but when someone murders another person, that changes the whole picture with being "rehabiliated". He's rehabbed if he can bring back the life he violently took.
 
2014-03-15 12:24:24 AM
After reading the article, it seems clear that he killed one of three punks who pulled knives on him and his buddy.  If so, why was he convicted?
 
2014-03-15 12:24:42 AM

hogans: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated..

I'll go further than that. Based on what little info the article had on his original crime, it sounds like he was sent away for self defense. I'd say he never should have been convicted in the first place.


Huh?  There is no suggestion in the article that the murder conviction was erroneous.
 
2014-03-15 12:25:30 AM
theBigBigEye: PhiloeBedoe: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...

Normally I might agree with you, but when someone murders another person, that changes the whole picture with being "rehabiliated". He's rehabbed if he can bring back the life he violently took.

he killed a guy, busted out of prison, was a fugitive for 40 years and because he's never had a parking ticket he's rehabilitated?
 
2014-03-15 12:26:25 AM

jeffjo52: would have gotten away with it/ meddling kids something or other

I don't care who you are or what you do... you kill a family member of mine you need to know i will hunt you until the day you or I die. I am no coward... i have killed people because my country sent me to kill people... killing someone like this would not make me miss a second of sleep.


static.fjcdn.com

/just a guess
 
2014-03-15 12:27:23 AM

LaughingRadish: After reading the article, it seems clear that he killed one of three punks who pulled knives on him and his buddy.  If so, why was he convicted?


Read the article again. He was one of the three punks who pulled knives on another soldier and that soldier's buddy.   And then stabbed both.
 
2014-03-15 12:27:56 AM

Mugato: theBigBigEye: PhiloeBedoe: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...

Normally I might agree with you, but when someone murders another person, that changes the whole picture with being "rehabiliated". He's rehabbed if he can bring back the life he violently took.

he killed a guy, busted out of prison, was a fugitive for 40 years and because he's never had a parking ticket he's rehabilitated?


That's not what I meant.

He killed a guy. And that's where the buck ends for rehabilitation.
 
2014-03-15 01:06:07 AM

theBigBigEye: Mugato: theBigBigEye: PhiloeBedoe: I don't think they should send this guy back to prison.  He has lived this whole time without causing any trouble, I say: Rehabilitated...

Normally I might agree with you, but when someone murders another person, that changes the whole picture with being "rehabiliated". He's rehabbed if he can bring back the life he violently took.

he killed a guy, busted out of prison, was a fugitive for 40 years and because he's never had a parking ticket he's rehabilitated?

That's not what I meant.

He killed a guy. And that's where the buck ends for rehabilitation.


The guy can be Old Man Gentle now, but he needs to serve his time for stealing someone else's.
 
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