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(Slate)   A quick widget to calculate whether or not Amazon is still worth the money after its rate increase. (Spoiler: It's probably not worth the money)   (slate.com) divider line 234
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2014-03-14 10:24:58 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Intrepid00: What the hell are people buying all the time from Amazon. I live in a pretty pricey area and Target is usually cheaper even if Amazon doesn't collect sales tax.

My guess is you have to have a family for it to be really worth it.

Who the hell are you people that having something shipped to your door isn't worth a several dollar office difference? I'd rather eat glass than go to to a damn target. When I need stupid shiat like batteries and ibuprofen and shampoo and shaving cream and an external hard drive and two rare earth magnets and a 2' ethernet cable and some scotch tape I just pull up that shiat on Amazon then I get back to what I was doing and I'm done with shopping before have made blocks on the on way to target. The next day or the day after that it's on my porch for free or 3.99. fark the gas, I just hate going to the store.


I don't really mind going to the store. Usually it's on my way somewhere else so it's not much gas to stop. I enjoy the people watching and I get some exercise by walking around. Going to te store once or twice a week just isn't much of a burden to me.
 
2014-03-14 10:34:16 PM  

Molavian: I just ran a report to tally everything I've purchased from Amazon over the last 10 years.

$131,661.84

Under your orders, download order reports.  You can set up a custom report if you want to make yourself sick.


You mde it to the green key 15% off club, huh?
 
2014-03-14 10:45:26 PM  
I pay for prime with just my Christmas shopping.
 
2014-03-14 11:15:21 PM  

rczeien: I pay for prime with just my Christmas shopping.


And this is something that needs to be repeated. Christmas shopping online is much better then filing into your local Walmart trying to get the last product on the shelf. Prime alone will cut down on shipping expenses making it not just a worthy alternative; it would make it the common sense choice.
 
2014-03-14 11:18:17 PM  

cman: rczeien: I pay for prime with just my Christmas shopping.

And this is something that needs to be repeated. Christmas shopping online is much better then filing into your local Walmart trying to get the last product on the shelf. Prime alone will cut down on shipping expenses making it not just a worthy alternative; it would make it the common sense choice.


My family lives around the country and I dated a girl in Chicago for a few years, so the fast free shipping has saved my ass on many a birthday and whatnot. And since you can find absolutely anything I end up looking thoughtful. Win/win
 
2014-03-14 11:19:22 PM  
I never even batted an eye or did a Cost benefit analysis of Prime before. I bet a lot of folks didn't. People didn't used to consider sharing an account
And now, thousands of people, just between Fark, Reddit, Gawker networks, Slashdot, etc. Are doing exactly those things. I wonder what it will do to prime membership.

Amazon is smart enough to not make decisions like this lightly. I'm sure they scoured responses from the "rumor" last month. They know there will be attrition. They know as long as they keep 5, they can lose one. I wonder if they'll meet those odds. They certainly think so.
 
2014-03-14 11:35:16 PM  
Ha, I ordered 113 items in 2013. Yeah, it's worth the money for me. I don't go to places like "Wal-Mart" or "Target" or "outside" if I can help it.
 
2014-03-14 11:36:29 PM  

rynthetyn: I ride a scooter. Not having to choose between balancing big packages on the back of my bike or else making frequent shopping trips for more expensive smaller packages alone makes Amazon prime worth it. It's a heck of a lot cheaper than owning a car I don't even want just so I can get big stuff home from the store.


Yeah I ride a bike. Cat litter alone makes Amazon Prime worth the money a dozen times over.
 
2014-03-14 11:49:42 PM  

Aestatis: Vlad_the_Inaner: Aestatis: Meanwhile, I get everything in two days and I don't have to drive somewhere, nor do I have to deal with brick-and-mortar salespeople morons.

But you have to flatten all those boxes before you put them in the recycling bin.  That takes time.

/you do recycle, right

Yes, flattening the boxes makes it totally wash out.  And all those annoying packaging plastic bags.

/My county makes recycling realllllly easy...


So does mine, you simply separate plastics, paper, yard waste, and general trash, they pick up all four containers, dump them into the same big honking truck that then drives to the dump and pours it all into a hole in the ground...
 
2014-03-15 12:26:16 AM  
still renewing, ~1day shipping, streaming Orphan Black, blah blah blah.

But Amazon screwed me, once. They had a Cadet toilet as prime, but it was 'lost in transit' and it took them 3 weeks to deliver.  I could have gone to Lowes/Home Depot for that BS!
 
2014-03-15 12:32:54 AM  
It may be just me, but most of the things I'm interested in buying are cheaper elsewhere. I never really saw the point of Amazon after they quit being a bookstore.
 
2014-03-15 12:56:13 AM  

JohnBigBootay: For me it's not whether or not i couldn't maybe scour the earth and find some schmuck who has it a few bucks cheaper. I probably could. But any time I have checked amazon was cheaper or extremely competitive to the point that the difference was negligible considering all factors. I'm not wealthy but I do work fifty hours a week. In general, if they save me time, the price difference is easily worth it and they save me lots of time. I guess I'm old now... Because I could give a shiat about 3 or 5 or ten bucks. It's more important I can deal with that little thing in three minutes and be done with it. Going to target is going to take an hour and a half.


I am somewhere in this category.  The widget says worth it for me.  If I notice I'm almost out of something, I pull up Amazon on my phone and check.  If the price is good, it's bought and on its way.  If not, it goes on the shopping list I eventually get to.... when something important is running out.

A good number of the orders are things like a container of gum to keep on my office desk, or a 30 cent shower scrub thing.  The other week I ordered a single plastic coin holder that was about a dollar.  I half expect them to eventually complain...  and there are usually ways to deal with something being marked an 'addon', or an equivalent listing that isn't marked that way.
 
2014-03-15 01:25:45 AM  

Confabulat: Ha, I ordered 113 items in 2013. Yeah, it's worth the money for me. I don't go to places like "Wal-Mart" or "Target" or "outside" if I can help it.


I checked mine, and I shipped $11,000 worth of stuff via Prime last year. Granted, a lot of these items were for work, but I had them delivered all over the country in 2 day time frames, so I made out like a bandit with Prime.
 
2014-03-15 02:01:48 AM  
things that they left out the of the article
1) prime includes shipping on some very large articles - like my second 40" tv
2) prime free videos
3) cheap upgrade to next day shipping

get back to me when you do a real comparison

/sigh 183 purchases in 2013
 
2014-03-15 02:11:47 AM  
I just enrolled for the first time in January, and I got my $79 back on shipping alone in the first 30 days.
I've sense watched 2 complete series that were great, and I'm starting on a 3rd. Haven't had time to look at the book part.

I may not be as happy to pay $99 and surely have watched everything watchable by next January, so we'll see. I'll probably keep it though. I enjoy getting items in 2 days rather than paying about the same non Prime price and waiting 6-10 days through UPS mail.
 
2014-03-15 02:13:05 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Am I the only one here who uses Super Saver Shipping?

Because it seems to me that if one is a little patient, one can leech off of the inventory and delivery infrastructure paid for by others.

As long as the orders total more than $35 each, of course.  Which they always do.


I used to be happy with Super Saver shipping, but then I tried Prime free for a year and couldn't go back.  My Prime membership lapsed once and I thought I'd try Super Saver again; four days later my order hadn't even left the warehouse and I renewed Prime.
 
2014-03-15 07:59:21 AM  
If the video stream and book lending pieces were available through amazon.ca, it'd probably be worth it for me...
 
2014-03-15 08:25:44 AM  

rczeien: I pay for prime with just my Christmas shopping.


Hell, I pay for a good number of my Christmas gifts using the credit I earn through the year on the Amazon Prime Visa.  I had about $135 on credit, which bought a good number of presents for the kids.
 
2014-03-15 08:42:56 AM  
Not including my three other family members that share my prime, I had 163 orders last year, 95% of which were prime eligible. This isn't even taking into considering all the free stuff I stream through them, saving me from even considering a NetFlix subscription. So yes, definitely worth it, surprised it took so many years for the rate to go up.
 
2014-03-15 09:53:04 AM  
137 orders last year.  Yes, it's worth it.
 
2014-03-15 12:32:30 PM  

cman: rczeien: I pay for prime with just my Christmas shopping.

And this is something that needs to be repeated. Christmas shopping online is much better then filing into your local Walmart trying to get the last product on the shelf. Prime alone will cut down on shipping expenses making it not just a worthy alternative; it would make it the common sense choice.


How? I use Amazon for a lot of my Christmas shopping, and I already get free shipping without Prime. That's actually one of the easiest times to get free super saver shipping because I'm ordering a bunch of stuff at once.
 
2014-03-15 12:38:20 PM  

Off2403: Parthenogenetic: Am I the only one here who uses Super Saver Shipping?

Because it seems to me that if one is a little patient, one can leech off of the inventory and delivery infrastructure paid for by others.

As long as the orders total more than $35 each, of course.  Which they always do.

I used to be happy with Super Saver shipping, but then I tried Prime free for a year and couldn't go back.  My Prime membership lapsed once and I thought I'd try Super Saver again; four days later my order hadn't even left the warehouse and I renewed Prime.


I guess I just don't get it, am I just too patient? It's rare that it makes any difference if something takes two days or two weeks to arrive. If I need something right away, two days is too slow. Otherwise I can plan ahead and it gets here when it gets here.
 
2014-03-15 12:48:39 PM  

James10952001: Off2403: Parthenogenetic: Am I the only one here who uses Super Saver Shipping?

Because it seems to me that if one is a little patient, one can leech off of the inventory and delivery infrastructure paid for by others.

As long as the orders total more than $35 each, of course.  Which they always do.

I used to be happy with Super Saver shipping, but then I tried Prime free for a year and couldn't go back.  My Prime membership lapsed once and I thought I'd try Super Saver again; four days later my order hadn't even left the warehouse and I renewed Prime.

I guess I just don't get it, am I just too patient? It's rare that it makes any difference if something takes two days or two weeks to arrive. If I need something right away, two days is too slow. Otherwise I can plan ahead and it gets here when it gets here.


I'd say it's just a matter of priorities and personal preference. Since I use Amazon largley as an alternative to in-store shopping, I like getting items quickly. I buy enough that the Prime membership pays for itself while I'm still saving money and time overall in comparison to going to a physical store.
 
2014-03-15 01:18:57 PM  
That was completely pointless.  It told me, based on my three Amazon orders, that I should only buy it if I think the e-books and video stuff is worth the cost.  Well Duh. That is exactly what I expected it to tell me: if the videos and such are worth it compared to other available options.
 
2014-03-15 02:42:27 PM  

James10952001: Off2403: Parthenogenetic: Am I the only one here who uses Super Saver Shipping?

Because it seems to me that if one is a little patient, one can leech off of the inventory and delivery infrastructure paid for by others.

As long as the orders total more than $35 each, of course.  Which they always do.

I used to be happy with Super Saver shipping, but then I tried Prime free for a year and couldn't go back.  My Prime membership lapsed once and I thought I'd try Super Saver again; four days later my order hadn't even left the warehouse and I renewed Prime.

I guess I just don't get it, am I just too patient? It's rare that it makes any difference if something takes two days or two weeks to arrive. If I need something right away, two days is too slow. Otherwise I can plan ahead and it gets here when it gets here.


YUP
this is why we use next day or one day service sometimes.
EXAMPLE: two day order for new memory for the computer.
saves me from driving 30 minutes
saves me on price for identical product
100% chance of product being in stock
takes 2 days, 1 day if I NEED IT NOW because my old memory is fubar.

ordering and taking two weeks to arrive?
Then I guess you didnt need the memory in the first place, did you. LOL

Getting books NOW from my favorite author is AWESOME.
While I have tons of stuff that I could read, I REALLY want my favs.

I guess you are just not part of the target audience.


Do an experiment.
Take all of your online purchases for a year.
Esp including things that you COULD have gotten from amazon, but might have gotten else where.
Add up how much you paid in shipping. Ignore how long it took.
If it is even CLOSE to $99 in shipping, you would be better off using amazon prime.

if not, whatever
 
2014-03-15 03:21:24 PM  

jdjoker: jylcat: Totally worth it. $0.31 per shipment currently and $0.38 per shipment after the price rise.

My math says that's ~255 shipments in a year. Basically every single weekday. Do they deliver your lunch or something?


The way I see it, there are over 100 days when I didn't buy something!
 
2014-03-15 05:41:29 PM  
When you figure in the video streaming and free kindle books, it's more than worth it.
 
2014-03-15 05:44:06 PM  

namatad: James10952001: Off2403: Parthenogenetic: Am I the only one here who uses Super Saver Shipping?

Because it seems to me that if one is a little patient, one can leech off of the inventory and delivery infrastructure paid for by others.

As long as the orders total more than $35 each, of course.  Which they always do.

I used to be happy with Super Saver shipping, but then I tried Prime free for a year and couldn't go back.  My Prime membership lapsed once and I thought I'd try Super Saver again; four days later my order hadn't even left the warehouse and I renewed Prime.

I guess I just don't get it, am I just too patient? It's rare that it makes any difference if something takes two days or two weeks to arrive. If I need something right away, two days is too slow. Otherwise I can plan ahead and it gets here when it gets here.

YUP
this is why we use next day or one day service sometimes.
EXAMPLE: two day order for new memory for the computer.
saves me from driving 30 minutes
saves me on price for identical product
100% chance of product being in stock
takes 2 days, 1 day if I NEED IT NOW because my old memory is fubar.

ordering and taking two weeks to arrive?
Then I guess you didnt need the memory in the first place, did you. LOL

Getting books NOW from my favorite author is AWESOME.
While I have tons of stuff that I could read, I REALLY want my favs.

I guess you are just not part of the target audience.


Do an experiment.
Take all of your online purchases for a year.
Esp including things that you COULD have gotten from amazon, but might have gotten else where.
Add up how much you paid in shipping. Ignore how long it took.
If it is even CLOSE to $99 in shipping, you would be better off using amazon prime.

if not, whatever


Well I needed a new DVD burner recently. I ordered it from newegg on special for $14.99 with free shipping and it arrived in less than a week. In the meantime I just used my laptop for the one disc I had to burn.

I've ordered a fair amount of stuff from amazon over the years but it's peanuts to what some people here are ordering. I almost never paid for shipping on any of it because I always used the super saver free shipping. Unfortunately Amazon is based in my state so they charge sales tax, another ding against them and yes I know I ought to pay the tax anyway.

Two weeks was an extreme example, an next day? That's still an eternity compared to popping over to Home Depot or the local hardware store down the street. If I'm in the middle of a project and I run out of deck screws or break a drill bit, I'm going to run out and buy another and be back in business.

Clearly Prime is good for a lot of people, but in most cases it seems to be a matter of instant(ish) gratification rather than any savings. Also I realize that many people don't live within a couple of miles of a bunch of stores, or drive past many others to and from work the way I do.
 
2014-03-15 05:50:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: InterruptingQuirk: Is it taking into account that Amazon Prime shipments may be increasing the price for Prime members in order to secretly cover that two day ship?

I have checked, via TOR and anonymous browsing VM, that my Prime prices are the same as they are when I'm logged into my account.

Anecdotal, but I check again every time I see someone bring it up.  I just spot checked a couple items, and they're the same price in both places.


Yes, but were you behind 7 proxies?

/i keed
 
2014-03-15 06:17:34 PM  

golden goat: cman: Its worth the money still

Why are people biatching about a $20 dollar price increase? Free two day shipping alone is worth $100 a year indeed.


You didn't read the link someone posted earlier.  There are allegations that Amazon encourages its vendors to increase the price of an item to cover the shipping charge, thus giving Amazon higher "referral fees." If true, then you likely already pay for the two-day shipping in the item price, and you're really just paying Amazon a premium to shop there (and watch its very restricted selection of streaming content).

Prime isn't worth it at $79, let alone $99.


I ALWAYS compare brick and mortar prices (also often times online prices) to Amazon, and Amazon is always either cheaper or at the worst equally priced..  This is also considering the MINIMUM price, not the AVERAGE price. After a few tools and a 30lb cast iron faceplate for a lathe, its cheaper.  Plus you have to factor in that Amazon often carries things that you CANNOT even find in brick and mortar stores.  Being in the military I have little say in where I live and thus my ability to live where its convenient to buy the things I want'/need.  I've never seen an Amazon price significantly higher than prices at other retailers.
 
2014-03-16 01:28:38 AM  

Parthenogenetic: Am I the only one here who uses Super Saver Shipping?

Because it seems to me that if one is a little patient, one can leech off of the inventory and delivery infrastructure paid for by others.

As long as the orders total more than $35 each, of course.  Which they always do.


No. I'm happy with it. If I need something immediately, I'll go to the store and buy it. The higher price is the cost of getting it right away.

But I order very little from Amazon anyway. Maybe 5 orders a year at most, and I don't have a problem meeting the $35 minimum. Although I did have a weird issue recently where I was trying to order a new phone and a case, which were both eligible for free shipping, and I wasn't given the free shipping option at checkout. When I went back and deleted the case, I got the free shipping option. I ended up buying the stuff elsewhere, and saving the ~$20 Amazon was going to charge in sales tax.
 
2014-03-16 01:43:00 AM  

jdjoker: jylcat: Totally worth it. $0.31 per shipment currently and $0.38 per shipment after the price rise.

My math says that's ~255 shipments in a year. Basically every single weekday. Do they deliver your lunch or something?


Amazon spending threads are the inverse of wedding spending threads.
 
2014-03-16 02:28:02 AM  

InterruptingQuirk: Marcus Aurelius: InterruptingQuirk: Is it taking into account that Amazon Prime shipments may be increasing the price for Prime members in order to secretly cover that two day ship?

I have checked, via TOR and anonymous browsing VM, that my Prime prices are the same as they are when I'm logged into my account.

Anecdotal, but I check again every time I see someone bring it up.  I just spot checked a couple items, and they're the same price in both places.

Yes, but were you behind 7 proxies?

/i keed


Amazon has profiled buyers who hide behind 7 proxies or tor as someone can afford top dollar

/like those whose browser string says they are browsing from Macs
//change your string to look like you are on Windows ME and watch the bargains show up.
 
2014-03-16 02:38:41 AM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: //change your string to look like you are on Windows ME and watch the bargains show up.


I thought only travel websites do that.

CSB: I'm on a PC, but a nonstop flight disappeared when I went back a few days later to book it (at a certain price). I cleared cookies and entered private browsing mode, and the flight was back, and the same price as a few days earlier. I will now always use private browsing mode for travel.
 
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