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(Deadspin)   How fast has your NFL team cycled through coaches? More importantly, how is Marvin Lewis the longest-tenured active coach in the NFL?   (deadspin.com) divider line 68
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2014-03-14 03:19:15 PM  
Because he isn't. He's number two, behind Belichick.
 
2014-03-14 03:24:57 PM  
Affirmative Action?

*runs*
 
2014-03-14 03:40:37 PM  
Jim Mora, we hardly knew ye.

/Not that I'm complaining.
//Go Hawks.
 
2014-03-14 04:03:05 PM  
Dots denote Super Bowl Championships.

And Browns coach tenure.
 
2014-03-14 04:06:08 PM  

The_Sponge: Jim Mora, we hardly knew ye.

/Not that I'm complaining.
//Go Hawks.


Thank God Paul Allen realized what was happening and had the nuts to gut the system and start over before it got too bad.
 
2014-03-14 04:07:48 PM  
Because he's willing to work for what Mike Brown is willing to pay?
 
2014-03-14 04:08:42 PM  
Go Steelers!
 
2014-03-14 04:11:35 PM  

funzyr: Go Steelers!


no co inky dink  Steelers won 6 SB.
 
2014-03-14 04:13:00 PM  
If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.
 
2014-03-14 04:19:09 PM  

bingethinker: Because he isn't. He's number two, behind Belichick.


+1
 
2014-03-14 04:20:29 PM  

Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.


And look at the opposite end of the spectrum for further proof. Cleveland and Oakland, yearly coaching and front office changes = zero success.
 
2014-03-14 04:23:05 PM  
Way to go, submitter. If you're going to make a claim like that, and act like you just figured out some crazy stat that no one else realized, you should probably make sure you actually have your information correct.

Still, that Lewis is the 2nd longest tenured coach should be surprising to those who don't watch Bengals games, because those of us who do were presented with that information almost every time they panned over to Lewis at the beginning of a game last year, and the announcers felt the need to make note of it. I guess he took over the #2 spot after Andy Reid left the Eagles.
 
2014-03-14 04:31:31 PM  

Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.


I think everyone realizes consistency is important, but then you go and accidently hire Herm Edwards and Todd Haley and Romeo Crennel and you realize inconsistency sucks but there are worse things you can do to your team.
 
2014-03-14 04:37:37 PM  
Thanks subby for reminding me that Jim Zorn was a thing.

/*sigh*
 
2014-03-14 04:41:52 PM  

Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.


which is why the Tennessee titans are always in the conversation of best run teams.

/jeff fisher is a pretty damn good coach, the rest of the organization ehhhhh not so much
 
2014-03-14 04:43:38 PM  

funzyr: Go Steelers!


I am pretty sure this graph was basically just a reason for a Steelers fan to point this out... hence going to "last 3 head coaches".
 
2014-03-14 04:45:54 PM  
Does switching coaches frequently cause you to not win, or does not winning cause you to switch coaches frequently?
 
2014-03-14 04:47:04 PM  

dletter: funzyr: Go Steelers!

I am pretty sure this graph was basically just a reason for a Steelers fan to point this out... hence going to "last 3 head coaches".


That and going to 4 coaches would take us into pre-merger lala land
 
2014-03-14 04:48:33 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Does switching coaches frequently cause you to not win, or does not winning cause you to switch coaches frequently?


Whynotboth.jpg
 
2014-03-14 04:52:53 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Does switching coaches frequently cause you to not win, or does not winning cause you to switch coaches frequently?


I don't think there's a cause/effect relationship between the two. I think they are both symptoms of organizational incompetence.
 
2014-03-14 04:53:46 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Does switching coaches frequently cause you to not win, or does not winning cause you to switch coaches frequently?


Yes.
 
2014-03-14 04:55:58 PM  
Jeff Fisher was barely above .500 too, but he also stuck around for a long time with the Titans.
 
2014-03-14 05:03:03 PM  
The Lions are only twenty months away from their next coaching search.
 
2014-03-14 05:03:33 PM  
Do this again, but with GMs. You'll probably see about the same thing - possibly more starkly.

Ravens are sitting at 1 on that list.
 
2014-03-14 05:04:29 PM  

Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.


Helpful graph of what the Steelers present and might look like:

nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com
No amount of coaching consistency makes up for an inability to draft, an inability to recruit quality free agents, and an old, old, old roster.
 
2014-03-14 05:21:42 PM  

Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.


Also happens with players, they don't turn over players at the rate most teams do. Players like to stay there as well... Of course, it cycles around and bite them on the ass occasionally, as it has done recently, because they lose a lo of players in a short time, due to retirement, but I think it keeps the team together better overall...
 
2014-03-14 05:29:09 PM  

Mikey1969: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Also happens with players, they don't turn over players at the rate most teams do. Players like to stay there as well... Of course, it cycles around and bite them on the ass occasionally, as it has done recently, because they lose a lo of players in a short time, due to retirement, but I think it keeps the team together better overall...


Frankly, this time around they've hung onto some expensive vets longer than they should have. But if you don't draft suitable replacements for guys like Miller or Polamalu, this is where you find yourself.
 
2014-03-14 05:32:35 PM  
Daniel Snyder has burned through eight coaches in 15 seasons.  Does any professional sports owner top that, besides George Steinbrenner?

oblig:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVQMqc-t2s&feature=player_detailpage# t =83
 
2014-03-14 05:35:18 PM  

foo monkey: Daniel Snyder has burned through eight coaches in 15 seasons.  Does any professional sports owner top that, besides George Steinbrenner?

oblig:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVQMqc-t2s&feature=player_detailpage# t =83


Wow, RIP Glenn Brenner.  I was pretty young (11) when he passed, but even I remember the guy
 
2014-03-14 05:38:45 PM  
In the twelve years from 1991-2002, the Bengals averaged 4.5 wins per season (55-137) under four different coaches and only once finished with a .500 record.  In the 11 years under Lewis, they've made the playoffs five times and have had only three losing seasons.  They may not be world-beaters, but after a dozen years of awfulness, a dozen years of average seems pretty acceptable.
 
2014-03-14 05:39:45 PM  

foo monkey: Daniel Snyder has burned through eight coaches in 15 seasons.  Does any professional sports owner top that, besides George Steinbrenner?

oblig:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVQMqc-t2s&feature=player_detailpage# t =83


Well, with steinbrenner, it was more often burning through the same manager 4 times in 10 years.
 
2014-03-14 05:47:51 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Helpful graph of what the Steelers present and might look like:

[nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com image 355x319]
No amount of coaching consistency makes up for an inability to draft, an inability to recruit quality free agents, and an old, old, old roster.


You keep on dreaming those dreams, Brownie
 
2014-03-14 06:04:00 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Scrotastic Method: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Helpful graph of what the Steelers present and might look like:

[nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com image 355x319]
No amount of coaching consistency makes up for an inability to draft, an inability to recruit quality free agents, and an old, old, old roster.

You keep on dreaming those dreams, Brownie


Baltimoron, actually. Wanna compare drafts and free agencies? Didn't think so.

/Ice up Pittsburgh!
 
2014-03-14 06:12:01 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Scrotastic Method: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Helpful graph of what the Steelers present and might look like:

[nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com image 355x319]
No amount of coaching consistency makes up for an inability to draft, an inability to recruit quality free agents, and an old, old, old roster.

You keep on dreaming those dreams, Brownie


Uh, I live in Pittsburgh and he's completely right.  The Steelers have had too many bad drafts and no cap space with which to either attract or keep free agents.  Injuries have decimated them the past two years because their roster is too old.  When Troy Polamalu is your best player on defense, you have a problem.  I don't see Tomlin keeping his job for very long if he doesn't get this team back on an upwards trajectory.

/not a Steelers fan, but not a hater, either
 
2014-03-14 06:12:27 PM  
Only shame for Seattle is that Pete Carroll is nearing the end of his coaching years.  If he were 10 years younger they'd be set for ages.
 
2014-03-14 06:17:20 PM  

Waldo Pepper: CipollinaFan: Thanks subby for reminding me that Jim Zorn was a thing.

/*sigh*

I'm a redskins fan and I never understood the hate for Jim Zorn.  The man took a giant career leap and failed but seemed to keep a great attitude the entire time and in the process made money for his family.

Blame Danny boy for the hire but don't blame Zorn.


Counterpoint: Zorn ran the swinging gate play. Twice, after the opponent called timeout the first time.
 
2014-03-14 06:20:43 PM  

Shame Us: Mikey1969: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Also happens with players, they don't turn over players at the rate most teams do. Players like to stay there as well... Of course, it cycles around and bite them on the ass occasionally, as it has done recently, because they lose a lo of players in a short time, due to retirement, but I think it keeps the team together better overall...

Frankly, this time around they've hung onto some expensive vets longer than they should have. But if you don't draft suitable replacements for guys like Miller or Polamalu, this is where you find yourself.



They picked up Mitchell from Carolina to inherit some of Troy's role.
 
2014-03-14 06:21:31 PM  
The NFL is a business, and Mike Brown is one of the most successful owners in the league.  Marvin is a big part of the reason.
 
2014-03-14 06:21:36 PM  

bborchar: Agent Nick Fury: Scrotastic Method: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Helpful graph of what the Steelers present and might look like:

[nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com image 355x319]
No amount of coaching consistency makes up for an inability to draft, an inability to recruit quality free agents, and an old, old, old roster.

You keep on dreaming those dreams, Brownie

Uh, I live in Pittsburgh and he's completely right.  The Steelers have had too many bad drafts and no cap space with which to either attract or keep free agents.  Injuries have decimated them the past two years because their roster is too old.  When Troy Polamalu is your best player on defense, you have a problem.  I don't see Tomlin keeping his job for very long if he doesn't get this team back on an upwards trajectory.

/not a Steelers fan, but not a hater, either


That's more on the GM than Tomlin though. I really don't think he's got much to worry about unless it gets really miserable for at least 4 seasons.
 
2014-03-14 06:27:35 PM  

uknowzit: Shame Us: Mikey1969: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Also happens with players, they don't turn over players at the rate most teams do. Players like to stay there as well... Of course, it cycles around and bite them on the ass occasionally, as it has done recently, because they lose a lo of players in a short time, due to retirement, but I think it keeps the team together better overall...

Frankly, this time around they've hung onto some expensive vets longer than they should have. But if you don't draft suitable replacements for guys like Miller or Polamalu, this is where you find yourself.


They picked up Mitchell from Carolina to inherit some of Troy's role.


...and they're still paying Troy more than he's worth at this point.
 
2014-03-14 06:34:12 PM  

Lost Thought 00: Waldo Pepper: CipollinaFan: Thanks subby for reminding me that Jim Zorn was a thing.

/*sigh*

I'm a redskins fan and I never understood the hate for Jim Zorn.  The man took a giant career leap and failed but seemed to keep a great attitude the entire time and in the process made money for his family.

Blame Danny boy for the hire but don't blame Zorn.

Counterpoint: Zorn ran the swinging gate play. Twice, after the opponent called timeout the first time.


Counter-counterpoint: Jim Zorn won more games in his 2 years than Mike Shanahan won in the 2 years before RG3 was drafted.

Plus I can see the logic of running the same play after the opponent's timeout. You're wanting them to overthink the situation, not to expect to see the same thing again.
 
2014-03-14 06:38:02 PM  

Shame Us: uknowzit: Shame Us: Mikey1969: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Also happens with players, they don't turn over players at the rate most teams do. Players like to stay there as well... Of course, it cycles around and bite them on the ass occasionally, as it has done recently, because they lose a lo of players in a short time, due to retirement, but I think it keeps the team together better overall...

Frankly, this time around they've hung onto some expensive vets longer than they should have. But if you don't draft suitable replacements for guys like Miller or Polamalu, this is where you find yourself.


They picked up Mitchell from Carolina to inherit some of Troy's role.

...and they're still paying Troy more than he's worth at this point.


absolutely true,   ridiculous
 
2014-03-14 06:45:27 PM  

foo monkey: Daniel Snyder has burned through eight coaches in 15 seasons.  Does any professional sports owner top that, besides George Steinbrenner?

oblig:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVQMqc-t2s&feature=player_detailpage# t =83


The Raiders have had seven coaches after Gruden left thirteen years ago (one of those was Art Shell returning for a season, though).  If Dennis Allen gets fired, which is certainly possible, they will hire their eighth coach in fourteen years.  I'm not sure if it counts as one owner since Al Davis died part way through.

If the Ricketts family keeps firing managers they'll outpace Daniel Snyder soon.  Next year will be the sixth season since they bought the team and the guy they just hired is the Cubs fourth manager in that span.

If you want to include interim coaches, the Toronto Maple Leafs went through 10 coaches in thirteen seasons from 1979-1992.  They had three coaches in the 1979-1980 season alone.  I don't know if it's the same owner, though.

Some teams that have come close:

The Brewers went through eight managers in sixteen seasons between 1969-1984.

Last year the Blue Jackets hired their sixth coach (eighth if you include two interim coaches) in their 13 (then 12) season existence.  However, it is unlikely that Todd Richards will be fired this season and is probably safe for at least a couple losing seasons.

In the 15 years since they came back, the Browns went through seven head coaches.  Next year will be season 16 and coach eight.  That's with multiple owners, though.

Not professional so no owners and doesn't count, but between December 1, 2010 and December 31, 2011, the Pitt Panthers had four head coaches.  This does not include the interim head coach that led the team in the 2011 BBVA compass game.
 
2014-03-14 06:56:43 PM  

llortcM_yllort: foo monkey: Daniel Snyder has burned through eight coaches in 15 seasons.  Does any professional sports owner top that, besides George Steinbrenner?

oblig:   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEVQMqc-t2s&feature=player_detailpage# t =83

The Raiders have had seven coaches after Gruden left thirteen years ago (one of those was Art Shell returning for a season, though).  If Dennis Allen gets fired, which is certainly possible, they will hire their eighth coach in fourteen years.  I'm not sure if it counts as one owner since Al Davis died part way through.

If the Ricketts family keeps firing managers they'll outpace Daniel Snyder soon.  Next year will be the sixth season since they bought the team and the guy they just hired is the Cubs fourth manager in that span.

If you want to include interim coaches, the Toronto Maple Leafs went through 10 coaches in thirteen seasons from 1979-1992.  They had three coaches in the 1979-1980 season alone.  I don't know if it's the same owner, though.

Some teams that have come close:

The Brewers went through eight managers in sixteen seasons between 1969-1984.

Last year the Blue Jackets hired their sixth coach (eighth if you include two interim coaches) in their 13 (then 12) season existence.  However, it is unlikely that Todd Richards will be fired this season and is probably safe for at least a couple losing seasons.

In the 15 years since they came back, the Browns went through seven head coaches.  Next year will be season 16 and coach eight.  That's with multiple owners, though.

Not professional so no owners and doesn't count, but between December 1, 2010 and December 31, 2011, the Pitt Panthers had four head coaches.  This does not include the interim head coach that led the team in the 2011 BBVA compass game.


The Mariners are on their 8th manager since Piniella left after the 2002 season.
 
2014-03-14 07:04:16 PM  

The Muthaship: The NFL is a business, and Mike Brown is one of the most successful owners in the league.  Marvin is a big part of the reason.


Yes, it's more profitable to miss the playoffs. Sucks for CLE fans that Brown's such a good businessman!
 
2014-03-14 07:07:35 PM  

Shame Us: Mikey1969: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Also happens with players, they don't turn over players at the rate most teams do. Players like to stay there as well... Of course, it cycles around and bite them on the ass occasionally, as it has done recently, because they lose a lo of players in a short time, due to retirement, but I think it keeps the team together better overall...

Frankly, this time around they've hung onto some expensive vets longer than they should have. But if you don't draft suitable replacements for guys like Miller or Polamalu, this is where you find yourself.


Where? 8-8? Ask a Browns fan if they'd take 8-8.
 
2014-03-14 07:08:45 PM  

Scrotastic Method: Agent Nick Fury: Scrotastic Method: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Helpful graph of what the Steelers present and might look like:

[nyoobserver.files.wordpress.com image 355x319]
No amount of coaching consistency makes up for an inability to draft, an inability to recruit quality free agents, and an old, old, old roster.

You keep on dreaming those dreams, Brownie

Baltimoron, actually. Wanna compare drafts and free agencies? Didn't think so.

/Ice up Pittsburgh!


Both finished with the same record.

Old sucky Steelers finished with a plus 9 in net points.

Super duper Ravens finished with a minus 32 in net points.

And regardless of how iffy the last few drafts have been, we're not stuck with Flacco so it sucks to be you.
 
2014-03-14 07:12:00 PM  

Kevin Lomax: Shame Us: Mikey1969: Shame Us: If you want to see what consistency can do for a team, look at the sustained success of the Steelers. Made the playoffs 15 times in the last 25 years, 4 Super Bowl appearances in that time and won 2 titles, and had only 3 head coaches.

Also happens with players, they don't turn over players at the rate most teams do. Players like to stay there as well... Of course, it cycles around and bite them on the ass occasionally, as it has done recently, because they lose a lo of players in a short time, due to retirement, but I think it keeps the team together better overall...

Frankly, this time around they've hung onto some expensive vets longer than they should have. But if you don't draft suitable replacements for guys like Miller or Polamalu, this is where you find yourself.

Where? 8-8? Ask a Browns fan if they'd take 8-8.


If you're fine with mediocre, as the front office seems to be this year, that OK. It could certainly be worse.
 
2014-03-14 07:12:48 PM  

bborchar: .  I don't see Tomlin keeping his job for very long if he doesn't get this team back on an upwards trajectory.



See, the whole basis of the article is that teams like the Steelers are willing to take down periods unlike the Raiders and Browns.

As an organization, they see the same thing you do and know that Tomlin isn't the reason they finished 8-8 (and a missed kick from the playoffs) so why would they fire him?

Who would you suggest they hire to replace him?
 
2014-03-14 07:30:32 PM  

Agent Nick Fury: Both finished with the same record.

Old sucky Steelers finished with a plus 9 in net points.

Super duper Ravens finished with a minus 32 in net points.

And regardless of how iffy the last few drafts have been, we're not stuck with Flacco so it sucks to be you.


Baltimore had maybe the worst injury year in the NFL last year, including three linemen, the #1 and #2 RBs, the starting TE, etc. Flacco is a Super Bowl MVP and nobody's won more games to start a career, but nobody could have played behind our injured line -- which graded out the worst, as will happen when every starter from the year before is hurt or retired. We lost two Hall of Famers, a ten-year center, and our most effective pass catcher in the offseason. And despite all of that, we missed the playoffs by a game. Maybe even a half a game. Hit reset and give us back Pitta's hip or Osemele's back and we might get that half a game back. PIT, meanwhile, was just good old fashioned average to crappy at football last year.

But you want to see the real difference in PIT and BAL? Players want to play in Baltimore. They know the team is a winner, they have respect for the front office, and it's a destination. When's the last time you heard someone say "oh X player is a free agent and tops on his list is Pittsburgh." It's been years. How many top-100 free agents have even had visits to Pittsburgh this offseason? None.
 
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