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2014-03-14 04:09:18 PM  

gingerjet: That Guy Jeff: I honestly have no idea what the details of the start of all this hubub is. The impression I got was someone said "lets put a gay pride float in a St Patrick's Day parade!" and the organizers said "Uh, no, it's a St Patrick's Day parade, not a gay pride parade." Of course, I'm entirely making up the conversation based on impressions from headlines. Maybe it's something insidious like "We are going to let all these different groups have a float, but gays can go fark themselves". I don't know. Either way, it seems to be good PR for Boston Beer, so good for them.

A veterans group that represents gay men and women wanted to march.  After much drama, finger pointing, and fake outrage - the veterans group that organizes the parade said no.  Its hard to get the real story of what happened but since St. Patricks day parades have been notoriously anti-gay in the past - I'm just going to blame the organizers.


Do they generally let just any group march? If they do, then shame on them for excluding gays. That's a dick move and they are totally in the wrong. If they don't, props to them for keeping the parade theme consistent. Like, I wouldn't expect to see a gay float in the Main Street Electrical parade either, no matter how gay-friendly Disney is. I don't know if I should be outraged or not.
 
2014-03-14 04:09:23 PM  

gingerjet: Dr Dreidel: What do non-Catholics have to do with St Patty's Day?

The Catholics aren't organizing the parade.  Its a veterans organization.  So I go back to my original question.

/catholic irish ginger here.  not a veteran.


Maybe I should rephrase: St Patty's Day, being a traditional Catholic feast celebrating a Catholic saint (the notion of sainthood being largely within the Catholic sphere anyway), why would non-Catholics be involved (or want to be involved) anyway?

// if it's a civic (from the Latin civis, meaning "civilian") event, it stays open to everyone
// actually, if it's a civic event, shouldn't it be closed to the military? :P
 
2014-03-14 04:12:17 PM  

zzzzt: Why do some gays feel the need to be in a parade?  I can understand if gays weren't allowed to walk with the firefighter's float or the classic cars, but for gays to walk in a group to announce that they are gay makes as much sense as a group of straight people in a parade with banners about some sexual position/act.  "Hey, look at me!  I like sex that you might disapprove of!  Look at me!"  Idiots.


After a generation or two, it'll be so normalized that nobody will care.  Just look at how rare civil rights groups and women's suffrage groups are in parades today.
 
2014-03-14 04:13:29 PM  
I have my homophobic opinions about gay parades.  But when I picture Gay Veterans marching in a parade I picture men and women in uniform carrying the American flag and rainbow flag.
 
2014-03-14 04:13:31 PM  

Dr Dreidel: gingerjet: Dr Dreidel: What do non-Catholics have to do with St Patty's Day?

The Catholics aren't organizing the parade.  Its a veterans organization.  So I go back to my original question.

/catholic irish ginger here.  not a veteran.

Maybe I should rephrase: St Patty's Day, being a traditional Catholic feast celebrating a Catholic saint (the notion of sainthood being largely within the Catholic sphere anyway), why would non-Catholics be involved (or want to be involved) anyway?

// if it's a civic (from the Latin civis, meaning "civilian") event, it stays open to everyone
// actually, if it's a civic event, shouldn't it be closed to the military? :P


Drinking.
 
2014-03-14 04:14:33 PM  

That Guy Jeff: gingerjet: That Guy Jeff: I honestly have no idea what the details of the start of all this hubub is. The impression I got was someone said "lets put a gay pride float in a St Patrick's Day parade!" and the organizers said "Uh, no, it's a St Patrick's Day parade, not a gay pride parade." Of course, I'm entirely making up the conversation based on impressions from headlines. Maybe it's something insidious like "We are going to let all these different groups have a float, but gays can go fark themselves". I don't know. Either way, it seems to be good PR for Boston Beer, so good for them.

A veterans group that represents gay men and women wanted to march.  After much drama, finger pointing, and fake outrage - the veterans group that organizes the parade said no.  Its hard to get the real story of what happened but since St. Patricks day parades have been notoriously anti-gay in the past - I'm just going to blame the organizers.

Do they generally let just any group march? If they do, then shame on them for excluding gays. That's a dick move and they are totally in the wrong. If they don't, props to them for keeping the parade theme consistent. Like, I wouldn't expect to see a gay float in the Main Street Electrical parade either, no matter how gay-friendly Disney is. I don't know if I should be outraged or not.



Like I said before, they have schools, local unions, bands, and businesses marching and riding floats, and unless there's an all-veteran high school out there I think we can safely assume that the common denominator is "Irishness" not "Veteran" for the parade.
 
2014-03-14 04:15:01 PM  

Dinjiin: zzzzt: Why do some gays feel the need to be in a parade?  I can understand if gays weren't allowed to walk with the firefighter's float or the classic cars, but for gays to walk in a group to announce that they are gay makes as much sense as a group of straight people in a parade with banners about some sexual position/act.  "Hey, look at me!  I like sex that you might disapprove of!  Look at me!"  Idiots.

After a generation or two, it'll be so normalized that nobody will care.  Just look at how rare civil rights groups and women's suffrage groups are in parades today.


DING!

I imagine the haters will look like McGovern in front of the school in 50 years.
 
2014-03-14 04:15:26 PM  
Love it or hate it, they didn't show their "true colors". Like most any corporation, they weighed the pros and cons and took the side they felt would least hurt business.
 
2014-03-14 04:15:37 PM  

zzzzt: Why do some gays feel the need to be in a parade?  I can understand if gays weren't allowed to walk with the firefighter's float or the classic cars, but for gays to walk in a group to announce that they are gay makes as much sense as a group of straight people in a parade with banners about some sexual position/act.  "Hey, look at me!  I like sex that you might disapprove of!  Look at me!"  Idiots.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 04:16:05 PM  

factoryconnection: tearing them a new asshole


Niiice!
 
2014-03-14 04:17:31 PM  
I love that the Boston Herald is used for this topic.  I needed to be reminded that you can drive (or possibly walk) from Harvard or MIT to many of the Herald commenters' homes within an hour.
/though some of them are clearly paid shills who have never been North o' the Mason/Dixon
 
2014-03-14 04:18:13 PM  
Santorum Lager

/ it's a bit nutty
 
2014-03-14 04:18:55 PM  
Sam Adams, Boston Logger is my gay pron name.
 
2014-03-14 04:19:14 PM  
No other group would allow this type of portrayal.


That's why the Irish are cool, unlike so many other groups
 
2014-03-14 04:19:31 PM  

zzzzt: Why do some gays feel the need to be in a parade?  I can understand if gays weren't allowed to walk with the firefighter's float or the classic cars, but for gays to walk in a group to announce that they are gay makes as much sense as a group of straight people in a parade with banners about some sexual position/act.  "Hey, look at me!  I like sex that you might disapprove of!  Look at me!"  Idiots.


Maybe because we don't have the same rights as straights and need to make ourselves know.  Only then can change happen.  Idiot.
 
2014-03-14 04:19:34 PM  

Sybarite: In many ways Ireland seems to be years ahead of many in the Irish-American community with regard to LGBT rights. Ireland is holding a national referendum to allow same-sex marriage in their constitution next year (they already have civil unions), and it appears to have broad public support. Poll: 73% of public back allowing same-sex marriage in Constitution


Nobody here seems to give a flying shiat. Most of the people I've met find it bizarre that anyone would care who is gay or trans or whatever. Also, there are a lot more gay people who aren't in the closet, but aren't walking stereotypes - just people, who are gay. It's nice.
 
2014-03-14 04:19:55 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Maybe I should rephrase: St Patty's Day, being a traditional Catholic feast celebrating a Catholic saint (the notion of sainthood being largely within the Catholic sphere anyway), why would non-Catholics be involved (or want to be involved) anyway?


Is that a serious question?  Maybe like many celebrations that had some root in a certain religion or culture - the celebration went mainstream at some point and all sorts of now groups celebrate it.    See Christmas.

And again - this isn't being organized by a Catholic organization or church.  Its veterans organization who has organized it for veterans.  I hear there are at least 1 or 2 veterans who aren't Catholic (I was shocked to hear that too).
 
2014-03-14 04:20:36 PM  

R.A.Danny: Sam Adams beer is fine. It's no Old Style, but it will get you where you're going.


Yeah. It's almost as good as Olde English. Almost.
 
2014-03-14 04:21:57 PM  

gingerjet: That Guy Jeff: I honestly have no idea what the details of the start of all this hubub is. The impression I got was someone said "lets put a gay pride float in a St Patrick's Day parade!" and the organizers said "Uh, no, it's a St Patrick's Day parade, not a gay pride parade." Of course, I'm entirely making up the conversation based on impressions from headlines. Maybe it's something insidious like "We are going to let all these different groups have a float, but gays can go fark themselves". I don't know. Either way, it seems to be good PR for Boston Beer, so good for them.

A veterans group that represents gay men and women wanted to march.  After much drama, finger pointing, and fake outrage - the veterans group that organizes the parade said no.  Its hard to get the real story of what happened but since St. Patricks day parades have been notoriously anti-gay in the past - I'm just going to blame the organizers.


Good summary.  I'd add that organizers are saying "But they're not really a veterans group ... They only have, like, one real veteran!"  Sounds like they tried to get the gay vets to promise they'd only go with regulation uniforms, colors, flags etc... Organizers are afraid they'll get a "We're here, we're queer" rainbow clown-car.  Which only makes the gay group dig in deeper, because what they're hearing is "Well, ok, but only if you act straight."
 
2014-03-14 04:22:13 PM  

doubled99: Love it or hate it, they didn't show their "true colors". Like most any corporation, they weighed the pros and cons and took the side they felt would least hurt business.


Indeed.  Companies (which are only unitary entities by virtue of some legal fiction) don't have beliefs or values.  By their very nature, they can't -- unless you really believe that corporations are people, too.
 
2014-03-14 04:24:33 PM  
Please, anti-gay people, please for God's sake just let the gays be. Treat them equally now and forever. I am so farking sick of reading about queers in the news. Every homo that has a hang nail is a national headline now. Just farking stop with the anti-gay shiat.
 
2014-03-14 04:25:45 PM  

deadsanta: That Guy Jeff: gingerjet: That Guy Jeff: I honestly have no idea what the details of the start of all this hubub is. The impression I got was someone said "lets put a gay pride float in a St Patrick's Day parade!" and the organizers said "Uh, no, it's a St Patrick's Day parade, not a gay pride parade." Of course, I'm entirely making up the conversation based on impressions from headlines. Maybe it's something insidious like "We are going to let all these different groups have a float, but gays can go fark themselves". I don't know. Either way, it seems to be good PR for Boston Beer, so good for them.

A veterans group that represents gay men and women wanted to march.  After much drama, finger pointing, and fake outrage - the veterans group that organizes the parade said no.  Its hard to get the real story of what happened but since St. Patricks day parades have been notoriously anti-gay in the past - I'm just going to blame the organizers.

Do they generally let just any group march? If they do, then shame on them for excluding gays. That's a dick move and they are totally in the wrong. If they don't, props to them for keeping the parade theme consistent. Like, I wouldn't expect to see a gay float in the Main Street Electrical parade either, no matter how gay-friendly Disney is. I don't know if I should be outraged or not.


Like I said before, they have schools, local unions, bands, and businesses marching and riding floats, and unless there's an all-veteran high school out there I think we can safely assume that the common denominator is "Irishness" not "Veteran" for the parade.


Hmm. I don't recall seeing a reply to me that said anything of the sort. But either way, if they do let just about anyone in, then yeah, stupid bastards for not letting the gays have a float.
 
2014-03-14 04:27:17 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: R.A.Danny: Sam Adams beer is fine. It's no Old Style, but it will get you where you're going.

Yeah. It's almost as good as Olde English. Almost.


If only Sam Adams came in a 40...
 
2014-03-14 04:28:44 PM  
Disclaimer: DRTFT.

Now i sort of wish i liked beer.
 
das
2014-03-14 04:29:33 PM  
McGovern????
 
2014-03-14 04:30:03 PM  

AngryDragon: I was drinking Sam Adams before it was cool


You must be a Brit.
 
2014-03-14 04:32:02 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: Please, anti-gay people, please for God's sake just let the gays be. Treat them equally now and forever. I am so farking sick of reading about queers in the news. Every homo that has a hang nail is a national headline now. Just farking stop with the anti-gay shiat.


sounds like you are the real victim in all of this.
 
2014-03-14 04:32:17 PM  

gingerjet: Dr Dreidel: Maybe I should rephrase: St Patty's Day, being a traditional Catholic feast celebrating a Catholic saint (the notion of sainthood being largely within the Catholic sphere anyway), why would non-Catholics be involved (or want to be involved) anyway?

Is that a serious question?  Maybe like many celebrations that had some root in a certain religion or culture - the celebration went mainstream at some point and all sorts of now groups celebrate it.    See Christmas.

And again - this isn't being organized by a Catholic organization or church.  Its veterans organization who has organized it for veterans.  I hear there are at least 1 or 2 veterans who aren't Catholic (I was shocked to hear that too).


Right.

So now that we've established that this is an egalitarian celebration - in addition to it being a matter of civic pride (my joke notwithstanding) - you should be able to see why groups of many stripes (not a pun) might want to join in the festivities.

Hope that helps.
 
2014-03-14 04:32:23 PM  

jshine: Santorum Lager

/ it's a bit nutty


Has a good head, kinda foamy.
It's a brown ale.
A frothy, brown ail.
 
2014-03-14 04:32:36 PM  
I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I will never buy Sam Adams again.
 
2014-03-14 04:34:42 PM  
and much like the old silly joke "let 'em get married so they can see how horrible marriage really is"
...let 'em go out in Boston on St. Patty's Day so they can get punched by an Italian dude trying to somehow prove with his fists how much more Irish he is than everyone.
 
2014-03-14 04:36:26 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: That Guy Jeff: I'm still not sure what gays have to do with Saint Patricks Day, but good for Boston Beeer for taking advantage of a good PR move.

Because there is such a thing as a gay Irish person?


Yes. "Gay" in Eire is someone that prefers women to whiskey.
 
2014-03-14 04:36:57 PM  
Tolerance is good business. I still won't patronize Chick-A-Fila. They give "Christians" a bad name.
 
2014-03-14 04:37:34 PM  

R.A.Danny: zzzzt: Why do some gays feel the need to be in a parade?

Why do some non gays feel the need to exclude any group from a parade?


NOTE: I'm not defending but explaining how the bigots justify this particular objection to gay participation.

When gay pride became a phenomenon in the wake of the AIDS epidemic in the 1980s, leading members of the gay community encouraged and followed a rather aggressive, in-your-face approach towards what  was massive indifference to the plight of AIDS sufferers.  They didn't have any other option - protesting quietly would have meant death with no attention being paid to the problem.  Entering parades and displaying "gay pride" created uncomfortable situations for the parade organizers.  Here's a bunch of people that are dragging (yes, pun intended) in all kinds of problems that they aren't prepared to address.

First and foremost, AIDS and it's impacts, the fact there wasn't a good response to the situation by the government at any level.
Second, society norms about sexuality
Third, implied support for what was considered at the time "fringe" or "bizarre" standards of behavior.

Walking in a parade in assless leather chaps, wearing a collar and a cap with a shamrock over your penis wouldn't be considered "acceptable" attire but that's exactly what the parade organizers ended up being confronted with.  (Well, unless it's a gay pride parade in SF - go nuts man... make the shamrock out of fishnet and some wire, don't leave us guessing).  It just doesn't fit the decorum of most organizations sponsoring parades.

Gays are now considered significantly more mainstream, and these kinds of "displays" aren't the normal anymore.  Doesn't stop the generally conservative parade organizers from falling for the click bait served up by the truely bigoted.  The past "messaging" from the gay community doesn't excuse the exclusion.  So there you have it.  The reason they want to "exclude" gays is because they don't want whatever event, person or nationality the parade is to commemorate to have to "deal with" the rampant sexual repression that runs through the culture of the United States and become a platform for challenging that norm.
 
2014-03-14 04:37:38 PM  

Headso: zzzzt: Why do some gays feel the need to be in a parade?

why do straight people feel the need to be in a parade? If anything a parade is kinda gay...


A parade, by popular definition, is quite the gay affair. Homosexuals, be they soldier or civilian, shouldn't be excluded. Unless they're jerks, because you can always choose to exclude jerks.
 
2014-03-14 04:37:52 PM  

grimnir: Nobody here seems to give a flying shiat. Most of the people I've met find it bizarre that anyone would care who is gay or trans or whatever. Also, there are a lot more gay people who aren't in the closet, but aren't walking stereotypes - just people, who are gay. It's nice.


That's the problem with homosexuality still being taboo.  The sort of people who do come out tend to either be the sort of people who don't care about societal norms or are actively trying to go against them.  So you end up with a lot of openly gay people who are non-conformist/non-traditional in many other ways.

Reminds me of a story that came out the other day regarding kids with hyperactivity or autism disorders who have gender identity disorders.  Because they're not as aware of accepted social norms, or because less care or less impulse control, the reported rate of GID in kids with ADHD or ASD is several times higher than that of the general population.

Which makes you wonder how many people would come out as being gay or transgender if today's social norms were different.
 
2014-03-14 04:41:37 PM  

MadHatter500: NOTE: I'm not defending but explaining how the bigots justify this particular objection to gay participation.


Oh, I understand. I had a very dear uncle who was among the first 5,000 in the US to die from HIV related illness. He was one of the best men I ever met.
 
2014-03-14 04:42:06 PM  

zzzzt: I can understand if gays weren't allowed to walk with the firefighter's float


Psssst, I'll let you in on a secret, there are gay firefighters - men and women.

So, STFU.
 
2014-03-14 04:43:21 PM  
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www.guitarlessons.com
 
2014-03-14 04:44:41 PM  

Dr Dreidel: gingerjet: Dr Dreidel: What do non-Catholics have to do with St Patty's Day?

The Catholics aren't organizing the parade.  Its a veterans organization.  So I go back to my original question.

/catholic irish ginger here.  not a veteran.

Maybe I should rephrase: St Patty's Day, being a traditional Catholic feast celebrating a Catholic saint (the notion of sainthood being largely within the Catholic sphere anyway), why would non-Catholics be involved (or want to be involved) anyway?

// if it's a civic (from the Latin civis, meaning "civilian") event, it stays open to everyone
// actually, if it's a civic event, shouldn't it be closed to the military? :P


St. Patrick's Day in America is as Irish or Catholic as Cinco de Mayo in America is Mexican. It's primarily an excuse for white people to drink slightly more than usual.
 
2014-03-14 04:45:03 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: Space Station Wagon: Aar1012: haemaker: Oh man, all the other brewers should pull out.  The first fully dry St. Patrick's Day parade!

That's the thing that I've wondered about. Why are they concerened about THE GHEYS marching when they should be more concerned about the drunken stereotype attached to this day?

So much this^

No other group would allow this type of portrayal.

Probably.
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Most Mexicans don't celebrate the Battle of Puebla.

It's mostly an American tradition of celebrating the drinking of tequila and eating of nachos whole wearing straw sombreros they got from Chevy's during the office going away party when Bill "the temp" gotta better paying job with benefits but still not fully utilizing his philosophy degree from that New England Liberal arts college where he wanted to get away from his parents even though they wanted him to go to state school and study business.

Most Mexicans will still accept the complimentary shot, though, while clearing the table.
 
2014-03-14 04:46:36 PM  

Bloody William: St. Patrick's Day in America is as Irish or Catholic as Cinco de Mayo in America is Mexican. It's primarily an excuse for white people to drink slightly more than usual.


We're all on board with this.
 
2014-03-14 04:47:27 PM  
I mean, good for them, but I really don't think not having that swill is a huge loss...

/except Octoberfest, that isn't awful
 
2014-03-14 04:51:57 PM  

zzzzt: Why do some gays feel the need to be in a parade?  I can understand if gays weren't allowed to walk with the firefighter's float or the classic cars, but for gays to walk in a group to announce that they are gay makes as much sense as a group of straight people in a parade with banners about some sexual position/act.  "Hey, look at me!  I like sex that you might disapprove of!  Look at me!"  Idiots.


Why does anyone feel the need to march in a parade?  Why should Scottish people be allowed to march? "Hey, look at me, I like wearing plaid skirts and playing a musical instrument that sounds like Satan's farts."

The same can be said of any group or organization.  Instead of asking "Why do they feel the need to be in a parade?"  Maybe you should ask yourself why you (not YOU neccessarily, but whomever) feel the need to tell them they can't.
 
2014-03-14 04:54:57 PM  
Has anyone ever had good green beer?  When I drank, the green beer was something like Miller Light.  It always made me queasy.
 
2014-03-14 04:55:50 PM  
Because if there's anything I like more in a business than making a mediocre product like Sam Adams, it's ramming its politics down my throat. But not in a gay way.
 
2014-03-14 04:56:11 PM  

AcademGreen: Has anyone ever had good green beer?  When I drank, the green beer was something like Miller Light.  It always made me queasy.


Yeah, we avoid that crap like the plague.
 
2014-03-14 04:57:11 PM  
What's wrong with letting the gay groups march? Chicago's been letting them march in the St. Patrick's Day Parade since 1994...
 
2014-03-14 04:57:55 PM  

Paris1127: What's wrong with letting the gay groups march? Chicago's been letting them march in the St. Patrick's Day Parade since 1994...


Da bode uv em.
 
2014-03-14 04:58:41 PM  

Vodka Zombie: As much as I hate their beer, good on Sam Adams.


THIS
 
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