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(DOD Buzz)   The US military is blowing up its own vehicles in Afghanistan   (dodbuzz.com) divider line 222
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2014-03-14 12:41:42 PM  
But it's the food stamps that are bleeding us dry.
 
2014-03-14 12:43:23 PM  
10 large each to destroy?  Are they firing a Hellfire into each one?

Just abandon the things-- i don't care if the Taliban gets their grubby paws on them.
 
2014-03-14 12:46:58 PM  
Your tax dollars at work

/and don't you DARE suggest defense budget cuts, commie
 
2014-03-14 12:48:51 PM  
"What do I do" with that vehicle that has been ruled "in excess" of the needs of the U.S. military?

You go back in time and don't build them in the first place so we don't have an embarrassingly bloated and wasteful military.
 
2014-03-14 12:55:41 PM  

Riche: 10 large each to destroy?  Are they firing a Hellfire into each one?

Just abandon the things-- i don't care if the Taliban gets their grubby paws on them.


You may not care, but rest assured, we are trained to never let our equipment fall into the hands of the enemy.

/E.D. training was a blast
//Pun intended
///Gratuitous 3rd slashie
 
2014-03-14 12:58:41 PM  
Just pour sand in the engine like they did during Cash for Clunkers and sell the scrap to Gillette for razor blades.
 
2014-03-14 01:02:26 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-14 01:02:27 PM  
Or we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments.


Best 10k we could spend.
 
2014-03-14 01:03:55 PM  

Beerguy: Riche: 10 large each to destroy?  Are they firing a Hellfire into each one?

Just abandon the things-- i don't care if the Taliban gets their grubby paws on them.

You may not care, but rest assured, we are trained to never let our equipment fall into the hands of the enemy.

/E.D. training was a blast
//Pun intended
///Gratuitous 3rd slashie


so you're trained to do things in the most expensive way possible?  Why am I not surprised....
 
2014-03-14 01:07:39 PM  

naughtyrev: [i.imgur.com image 800x532]


Great movie. I could hear the producers saying, "Is 'good actor' Nick Cage in there? We need to speak to 'good actor Nick Cage', we have a movie for him."
 
2014-03-14 01:20:33 PM  
So, after 12 years, tens of thousands dead and injured, hundreds of Billions of dollars spent, was it worth it?
 
2014-03-14 01:21:18 PM  

Mugato: But it's the food stamps that are bleeding us dry.


Also NPR.
 
2014-03-14 01:22:43 PM  
It amazes me that after some 13 years working with and training the Afghan Army we're basically admitting that we were unable to teach them basic vehicle maintenance, and we don't trust them with the vehicles anyway. They must be some f*cking frustrating people to work with.
 
2014-03-14 01:25:31 PM  
We did this in the Gulf War too except Saudi and Kuwait bought them. Our division, among others, kept their equipment tho for readiness (Airborne). But I remember seeing thousands of vehicles in a massive parking lot in the desert on the way out of country.
 
2014-03-14 01:27:39 PM  
Just leave them but take the keys.
 
2014-03-14 01:28:44 PM  

Mugato: Just leave them but take the keys.


LOL
 
2014-03-14 01:31:28 PM  

vernonFL: So, after 12 years, tens of thousands dead and injured, hundreds of Billions of dollars spent, was it worth it?


Sure, if you're this guy:

waterman99.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-14 01:36:41 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments.


Best 10k we could spend.


You think it's going to only cost $10,000 to ship an armored vehicle out of a land-locked, hostile combat zone on the other side of the planet., perform extensive repairs to heavy battle damage, and refurbish them to perform as police vehicles?

beactivedecatur.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-14 01:42:43 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments. Best 10k we could spend.


I sympathize with the impulse. I really do. I am skeptical that it would be cost-efficient to do this. But I would be interested in any research on the matter either way, if any has been done on this.
 
2014-03-14 01:45:49 PM  

vernonFL: So, after 12 years, tens of thousands dead and injured, hundreds of Billions of dollars spent, was it worth it?


War is Hell, as they say. But after the Taliban aided and abetted an attack on the central command and control structure of the U.S. military, I think it was the appropriate option. You can't allow someone to fly a plane into the Pentagon without an overwhelming reprisal.
 
2014-03-14 01:47:38 PM  

Sgt Otter: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments.


Best 10k we could spend.

You think it's going to only cost $10,000 to ship an armored vehicle out of a land-locked, hostile combat zone on the other side of the planet., perform extensive repairs to heavy battle damage, and refurbish them to perform as police vehicles?

[beactivedecatur.files.wordpress.com image 255x384]


I think he means it's better to spend the 10k blowing them up in Afghanistan than have them patrolling American streets with a red and blue light bar on top.
 
2014-03-14 01:51:44 PM  
something something Eisenhower something something.

Dunford said he currently has about 1,230 excess MRAP (Mine Resistant/Ambush Protected) vehicles, which originally cost about $1 million apiece.

I thought they were getting rid of the "excess" by handing them out to small town sheriffs who need them while serving warrants on them merry-jew-wanna smokers.
 
2014-03-14 01:57:23 PM  

Therion: I thought they were getting rid of the "excess" by handing them out to small town sheriffs who need them while serving warrants on them merry-jew-wanna smokers.


The township over from us got one. Two things: now they have to maintain it, and since they have one they'll figure a way to justify the expense.
 
2014-03-14 02:01:17 PM  

Sgt Otter: You think it's going to only cost $10,000 to ship an armored vehicle out of a land-locked, hostile combat zone on the other side of the planet., perform extensive repairs to heavy battle damage, and refurbish them to perform as police vehicles?


exact opposite dude


We could spend 10k to blow them up: "OR we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments."

Like I said, spending the 10k to blow them up is ok by me
 
2014-03-14 02:13:56 PM  

Mugato: But it's the food stamps that are bleeding us dry.


This.  The damn poors are the real problem.
 
2014-03-14 02:14:09 PM  
Dunford said he currently has about 1,230 excess MRAP (Mine Resistant/Ambush Protected) vehicles, which originally cost about $1 million apiece.


But remember we can't afford for poor children to get free lunch as school.
 
2014-03-14 02:15:01 PM  
Nothing new, after every war ships returning did an inventory and if it wasn't on the list, it was over the side.
 
2014-03-14 02:15:07 PM  
It beats bringing the MRAPs home to use against us.  Even though running over welfare moochers with one would be a lot of fun
 
2014-03-14 02:16:44 PM  

Somacandra: But after the Taliban aided and abetted an attack on the central command and control structure of the U.S. military, I think it was the appropriate option.


If 12 years was appropriate, 24 years is twice as good.

We should stay there until 2025.
 
2014-03-14 02:17:14 PM  

OregonVet: Therion: I thought they were getting rid of the "excess" by handing them out to small town sheriffs who need them while serving warrants on them merry-jew-wanna smokers.

The township over from us got one. Two things: now they have to maintain it, and since they have one they'll figure a way to justify the expense.


They'll just write more tickets and take the maintenance costs out of the paychecks of some local velocity criminals.
 
2014-03-14 02:17:14 PM  
Just ship over one big ass shredder and start dumping them in it.
 
2014-03-14 02:17:29 PM  
This is what happened when you invade and occupy a country.  First world imperial problems.
 
2014-03-14 02:17:35 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments.


Best 10k we could spend.


Because a further militarized police force is exactly what we need.
 
2014-03-14 02:18:18 PM  
I know some guys in Brooklyn that could offer an excellent wholesale price for these and make them go away nice and quiet. They do it with used non-certified Android tablets all the time.
 
2014-03-14 02:19:30 PM  
Aren't there people in Afghanistan that would be more than happy to blow up US military vehicles for free?
 
2014-03-14 02:19:38 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-14 02:20:58 PM  
Blow them up. Better than giving them to SWAT to use against us.
 
2014-03-14 02:21:01 PM  

violentsalvation: It amazes me that after some 13 years working with and training the Afghan Army we're basically admitting that we were unable to teach them basic vehicle maintenance, and we don't trust them with the vehicles anyway. They must be some f*cking frustrating people to work with.


Yes.
 
2014-03-14 02:22:00 PM  
Did the Cash for Clunkers thing end already? They should just bring em back and let homeless people live in them. I lived in the S250 shelter on the back of my HMMWVfor a couple of weeks when I first got to Bosnia
 
2014-03-14 02:22:21 PM  
This is not a repeat from 1944.

nbnl.globalwhelming.com
 
2014-03-14 02:24:31 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments.


Best 10k we could spend.


Except it is 50K each to ship them home. Then another 5-20K to fix them up.
 
2014-03-14 02:25:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments.


Best 10k we could spend.


They're doing that with the ones that work. These are the worn-out and busted ones.

It's going to be interesting to see if they stick with heavily armored troop transports or go back to soft-skinned trucks and Humvees. MRAPS and all those other behemoths are very useful in counterinsurgency, but very wasteful and inefficient in conventional warfare. I would vote for keeping them; odds of a conventional war are much lower than getting into another counterinsurgency operation.
 
2014-03-14 02:27:03 PM  
You'd think it'd be cheaper 10K per to drive them all out to one place in the middle of nowhere and drop a MOAB on them.

Plus we get to watch another MOAB go off on YouTube.
 
2014-03-14 02:27:28 PM  

vernonFL: So, after 12 years, tens of thousands dead and injured, hundreds of Billions of dollars spent, was it worth it?


No, but we are retreating too soon. We need to spend another 20 years there to achieve victory. We also need to kill every male over the age of 8 and every female over the age of 13, re-educate every child that is left as Americans, but the UN tends to frown on such shenanigans.
 
2014-03-14 02:28:24 PM  
According to the article, its 50k to ship them back.

The money's already spent on them and they're functionally obsolete to forces.  The best conclusion is to destroy them so they can't be used as weapons by the locals.
 
2014-03-14 02:28:32 PM  

Slaves2Darkness: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Or we pay to bring them back and then give them to local police departments.


Best 10k we could spend.

Except it is 50K each to ship them home. Then another 5-20K to fix them up.


And what would police need with mine resistant ambush protected vehicles?
 
2014-03-14 02:29:11 PM  

Riche: Just abandon the things-- i don't care if the Taliban gets their grubby paws on them.


Speak for yourself.

People who care about stopping terrorists do.
 
2014-03-14 02:29:48 PM  

violentsalvation: It amazes me that after some 13 years working with and training the Afghan Army we're basically admitting that we were unable to teach them basic vehicle maintenance, and we don't trust them with the vehicles anyway. They must be some f*cking frustrating people to work with.


They are.  Spent a year with NATO Training Mission-Afghanistan (NTM-A).  I would inspect communication installs that Afghan contractors would install and I would submit a report to a contracting officer.  That officer would decide if they got paid or not.  Basically what I was inspecting was the ability for Afghan solders and police to watch porn.  The US Army colonel I worked for described Afghanistan in the best way possible.  Imagine it has the Wild West run by the mafia.
 
2014-03-14 02:30:16 PM  

vernonFL: So, after 12 years, tens of thousands dead and injured, hundreds of Billions of dollars spent, was it worth it?


It sure was if you're an Afghan. Their economy has quadrupled.  Their average life expectancy has increased by TWENTY YEARS over what it was in 2001. Plus, their kids are in actual schools. Before the war, you had about a million boys in madrassas, learning to memorize the Quran and basically nothing else. Now, you've got more than 7 million kids in school, about 40 percent of whom are girls.

Takeaway for failed states: encourage al Qaeda to operate from your country, and defy the United States when it calls you on it.
 
2014-03-14 02:30:18 PM  

vernonFL: So, after 12 years, tens of thousands dead and injured, hundreds of Billions of dollars spent, was it worth it?


Has it ever been?
 
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