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(Huffington Post)   So why were pictures of Osama Bin Laden never released? They apparently had to scoop him into the body bag with a spatula   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 59
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2014-03-14 12:55:43 PM
14 votes:

scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.


I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.
2014-03-14 01:04:05 PM
7 votes:
But this is perhaps the most measured and polite description that one could give of how operator after operator took turns dumping magazines-worth of ammunition into Bin Laden's body, two confidential sources within the community have told us. When all was said and done, UBL had over a hundred bullets in him, by the most conservative estimate.

I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that.  They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place.  When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?
2014-03-14 12:59:00 PM
6 votes:

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


Personally, I don't care if it was 1 or 100 bullets.

The farker is dead either way and the world is a slightly better place for it.
2014-03-14 12:55:57 PM
6 votes:
i.imgur.com
2014-03-14 01:09:07 PM
4 votes:

slayer199: Head shots are particularly gory...and I'm guessing they unloaded a lot of those hundred shots into his head...there was probably nothing left.


Hundred shots? I would hope the Navy SEALs have better fire discipline than the NYPD.
2014-03-14 01:00:14 PM
4 votes:
FTFA: But an extreme degree of violence would explain why U.S. President Barack Obama's administration was so resistant to release a set of photos, for fear of a possible backlash against U.S. interests

I'll take "fark you, we don't reveal anything that compromises methods and sources" for $1000, Alex.
2014-03-14 12:14:21 PM
4 votes:
Look at all the farks I give.....
2014-03-14 01:16:44 PM
3 votes:

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


Virtually every spec-ops team prides themselves on how little they have to fire their weapons to accomplish their mission. I agree that it sounds like some BS from a clueless twit.
2014-03-14 01:10:54 PM
3 votes:

Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.


No it wasn't.  Unless you think a guy can organize and carry out an attack that kills thousands of people then just say "time out guys, I'm not playing right now".
2014-03-14 12:45:39 PM
3 votes:
So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?
m00
2014-03-14 02:09:04 PM
2 votes:

shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?


Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.
2014-03-14 01:42:58 PM
2 votes:
FTFA: ". . .  a disturbing trend of alarmingly brutal military behavior that includes graphic evidence of U.S. troops and on slain enemy combatants"

They've been fighting for TOO FARKING LONG, A-HOLES. Bring our boys home for Christ's sake.
2014-03-14 01:42:19 PM
2 votes:
Unless the number of bullets was larger than the number of lives lost on 9/11, I don't consider it excessive.
2014-03-14 01:12:17 PM
2 votes:
He still won...
2014-03-14 01:11:11 PM
2 votes:
I just cannot find it within me to give a damn.
2014-03-14 12:48:37 PM
2 votes:

Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?


Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.
2014-03-14 12:37:01 PM
2 votes:
Overkill-- It's what we Americans do best.
2014-03-14 11:12:59 PM
1 votes:

johnny_vegas: Lsherm: I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that. They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place. When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?

almost seems unbelievable, huh?

/if that was your first inclination, you get a cookie
//you get a cookie for being right, not because you like cookies
///i like cookies


Yeah the story is complete bullshiat.  They were way too busy collecting intel and setting up defensive positions, remember they didn't know if a few hundred al Qaeda and the entire Pakistani army were going to show up before the spare chopper.

Plus each of the soldiers. Most likely had the military equivalent of a go-pro camera on their helmet and their gun recording what they saw and shot.

Now I will tell you this, on the helicopter ride back to the carrier that recording equipment would have been turned off and they had nothing but time, and very sharp knives.  So, if someone had taken a small keepsake or two to remember the occasion I would be less than surprised, especially if they had already been informed of the decision to dispose of the body.

So, if you find yourself in the Dam Creek Virginia NCO Club  and see what appears to be two really big raisins nailed to a plaque with an inscription reading "For the victims of 911,  ask the guy next to you about it.  If you get a knowing smile and a shrug, buy him a drink.

/maybe they are just raisins
//or maybe the plaque is somewhere else
///or maybe they aren't raisins
m00
2014-03-14 05:08:25 PM
1 votes:

Millennium: In this case, OBL's guilt is a matter of public record. A good thing too, since there is no way that the impartial actors needed to put on a fair trial could ever have been found.


Because the government says so? Look, I am 100% absolutely positively sure OBL is guilty and deserves the harshest penalty under the law. But I see a problem skipping a trial and going right to the execution because...

1) People might kidnap other people and hold them for ransom
2) Trials are a target for terrorists
3) We're really really really sure he's guilty
4) Trials are inconvenient because reasons
5) The court would just be a kangaroo court anyway, it's more honest to just assassinate someone.

Do you guys really want to give an executive branch of government in pursuit of a wanted man the ability to just unilaterally decide it doesn't need a trial? That doesn't sound like something a liberal should be for, and it certainly doesn't sound like something a small-government conservative or "strict constitutionalist" should be for.  (I have no idea which you are).
2014-03-14 04:39:06 PM
1 votes:
Not surprised. I'm usually opposed to anything I perceive as an abuse of authority or power... but nah, not this time. Would've been nice to try him in a real court and then execute him, but since Dubs made trying terrorists in real courts impossible this was very likely the best way to go.
2014-03-14 04:38:58 PM
1 votes:
Ammo is heavy. After losing a helicopter, they had to save weight for the trip back.
2014-03-14 03:16:41 PM
1 votes:

mbillips: There is no humanly possible way the Bushies could have conspired to allow the attacks to happen and keep it covered up, let alone be INVOLVED in the attacks


Truthers call us normals "naive" that we don't believe their brilliant rhetoric. I call them naive for having so much faith in our gov't ability to pull off something like this. We had Presidents get busted for burglarizing a hotel, "dating Marilyn Monroe, getting head from an intern and we couldn't even plant WMD in Iraq. Okay the "moon landing" I'll give you. But these people think our gov't  could pull something like this off or would even want to?

Assuming they wanted to destroy some shiat to get us fired up for war, they didn't have to nuke the entire WTC, the Pentagon and whatever the plane that went don't would have it. The Statue of Liberty or Cinderella's Castle would have done it. And since when do they need public opinion to go to war anyway?

So beyond the bullshiat science, the logic of it just doesn't work.
2014-03-14 03:02:22 PM
1 votes:
The SEALs had no business shooting him that many times. Now he is triple dog dead, and that is as dead as someone can get. (It goes dead, dog dead, double dead, double dog dead, triple dead, and finaly triple dog dead) We only needed him double dog dead at the most, and the SEALS caused a serious breach of etiquette by skipping tripple dead, and going straight for triple dog dead.

There are rules to this shiat. Like you can shoot a soldier with a 7.62 rifle round, but not a 120mm tank shell. Do you have any idea how bad that farks up your spirit in the afterlife?
2014-03-14 02:58:46 PM
1 votes:
It's a good thing they didn't catch him in Cleveland.
2014-03-14 02:51:00 PM
1 votes:

m00: I'm pretty sure OBL could fill the world in what the CIA has been doing in the Middle East and I'm sure a lot of that would be news to Congress and the President.


Like I said, that would have been one hell of a podcast. Maybe they'd have given him a blog as well with a message board for responses.
2014-03-14 02:47:01 PM
1 votes:

serfdood: Were the bullets dipped in pigs blood?


Hey, why do your mags always smell like bacon?

Because you gotta defile the corpse to make sure they don't come back.
2014-03-14 02:44:56 PM
1 votes:
They had to soften him up so that the pig could eat him quickly.
2014-03-14 02:35:45 PM
1 votes:

m00: Mugato: Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.

So just to be clear... your position is that we should execute prisoners without a trial because innocent people might die when vigilantes try and kill said prisoner.

Cuz we managed to try the Nazis. We gave Eichmann a trial. But bin Laden... that's bullet-to-the-head w/o a trial.


upload.wikimedia.org

Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
And ignore the actual thread!
2014-03-14 02:25:45 PM
1 votes:

Saners: Even weekend warriors wouldn't be that careless, let alone one of the most professionally trained teams in the world.


Probably-My-Imagination CSB:

I hang out, for totally unrelated reasons, with a group that includes a lot of high-level active military guys. There's one guy who is hard-edged squared-away and VERY closed-mouth about exactly what he does but from things he's said, he knows a lot about active clandestine operations.

He disappeared for a few weeks before the OBL affair and then reappeared right afterward. One of the other guys, also in Intel, greeted him with a quizzical look and said, "Oh, I heard you've been traveling...". He smiled a smug smile and said, "Yeah. It turned out to be very fruitful.". Nothing more was said, but it seemed clear he was referring to the raid.

I'm only guessing he was involved, but that's the way I would expect the kind of people that are on Seal Team Six to behave.
2014-03-14 02:18:00 PM
1 votes:

mccallcl: scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?

If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

You can't compare what happened to OBL to random suspects on the street and doing so is disingenuous at best.

Goring got a trial.


He was not assassinated.  He was shot.
2014-03-14 02:16:21 PM
1 votes:

m00: he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like


"Secretly"? I thought it was common knowledge that the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen from 1979-1989 (Operation Cyclone).
2014-03-14 02:08:04 PM
1 votes:
The entire story has never sounded believable.
2014-03-14 02:02:18 PM
1 votes:
Do people not realize how damaging these fabricated clickbait stories can be?

Someone can take this 'article' at face value, and post it on an extremist recruiting site, furthering the idea that US Troops are savages without restraint who violate every notion of civility.  If the photos weren't released because of their potential propaganda value when turned against the US (look what the US did to your brother UBL, avenge him!), this story fills the same farking void.
2014-03-14 01:49:03 PM
1 votes:

flynn80: scottydoesntknow: If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

IF...  The videos of him claiming responsibility were proven to be Fakes, to this day the FBI doesn't have any evidence linking him.  Bush and Cheney openly laugh and Joke about the thousands they are responsible for killing in Iraq.


WTF are you talking about? You're gonna need a big ole citation for that, and it can't be from a birther/truther site.

Do I need to flag you as a 9/11 truther now?
2014-03-14 01:46:41 PM
1 votes:
It was a corpse at that point.  Savagery is sending planes into office buildings.
2014-03-14 01:45:17 PM
1 votes:
Yeah right. "Boy's we've just invaded a sovereign nation and killed the most wanted man on the planet, we still have to get out of the country alive, let's waste all our ammo beating a dead horse."

Whatever you say HuffPo.
2014-03-14 01:35:48 PM
1 votes:

MrBallou: I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo


Assume:

Rate of fire of maybe 900 rounds per minute? (15 per second).

200 - 300 bullets fired, point blank, into the body.  Enough to pulp it.

That's total of only  13 to 20 seconds.

We aren't talking about wasting 20 minutes here.
2014-03-14 01:32:23 PM
1 votes:
Yeah...a HuffPo link.....totally believable.
2014-03-14 01:31:57 PM
1 votes:
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
2014-03-14 01:30:59 PM
1 votes:
Probably not true, but don't care if it is.
2014-03-14 01:27:03 PM
1 votes:
someone cares about this?
2014-03-14 01:25:22 PM
1 votes:
Well I'm glad these psychopaths are on our side.
2014-03-14 01:22:41 PM
1 votes:
I beleive they officially buried the bag at sea.  Probably even took a few pictures to make sure it was legit.

I also beleive they had a couple frogmen in the water to retrieve the bag and take it over to the helicopter carrier.   to keep later, just in case they needed to prove they had killed him and not some other clown.
2014-03-14 01:22:27 PM
1 votes:
"Initial reports claimed two shots were fired to kill bin Laden. While that number climbed in later reports, the claims of "over a hundred bullets" would suggest a level of savagery and, as SOFREP puts it, "self-indulgence" not admitted in prior accounts of the operation."

i62.tinypic.com
2014-03-14 01:21:38 PM
1 votes:

MrBallou: PhiloeBedoe: He still won...

Expect a visit from the Department of Homeland Security, citizen.


Yeah, even saying that semi-facetiously kinda proves it...
2014-03-14 01:19:09 PM
1 votes:

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


And remember there was a live feed to the white house.  I doubt the guys on the raid would have been farking around shooting rounds into a dead body.
2014-03-14 01:19:00 PM
1 votes:
The biggest mistake the hero makes in the movie is thinking he killed the bad guy without really, really making sure.
2014-03-14 01:18:45 PM
1 votes:
I see no problem with this.
2014-03-14 01:17:50 PM
1 votes:

fireclown: Pics or it didn't happen.


Pics are fairly useless nowadays in the age pf Photoshop. I believe them, if only because Bin Laden probably would have made another tape to show he's still alive once he heard he was "killed". That would not have been good for Obama or the rest of the country.
2014-03-14 01:16:49 PM
1 votes:
True story: I once spanked a fat chick with a spatula.  They really are multipurpose tools.
2014-03-14 01:14:51 PM
1 votes:
Bullshiat.

"blah, blah, blah unnamed sources... blah, blah, blah"

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that SEAL Team 6 is a group of professionals that were well aware of the level of scrutiny that they would face after this operation and acted accordingly.
2014-03-14 01:14:24 PM
1 votes:
Morally speaking I'm generally against this sort of thing.

But in this case...

Not a single fark was given.
2014-03-14 01:14:00 PM
1 votes:
I'm sure any other spec ops team like SAS, JTF2, whatever the Aussies have etc, would have done the same - I'm surprised they didn't shove a grenade up his ass and took a dump on his corpse afterwards.

Who.
the fark.
cares?
2014-03-14 01:12:40 PM
1 votes:
Count me in on the "team don't give a shiat."

Farker's dead. Doesn't matter to me how many bullets they used, if they ran him over with a steamroller, or dropped an Acme safe on him. So long as he's dead, it's fine with me. If they used too much force, well, overkill is my favorite kind of kill.
2014-03-14 01:12:10 PM
1 votes:
I wouldn't be surprised if a some SEALs pumped a few rounds into him just so they could say they did it later, but I doubt it was 100+ rounds. They were still in the middle of an operation, and could have very easily ended up in a fire fight trying to get out. I don't think people that highly trained would be taking on that much added risk during probably the biggest mission in SEAL history.
2014-03-14 01:11:40 PM
1 votes:

Superjew: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

No it wasn't.  Unless you think a guy can organize and carry out an attack that kills thousands of people then just say "time out guys, I'm not playing right now".


To be fair, he was at home base. Everyone is safe at home base.
2014-03-14 01:10:22 PM
1 votes:
upload.wikimedia.org
2014-03-14 12:35:45 PM
1 votes:
Head shots are particularly gory...and I'm guessing they unloaded a lot of those hundred shots into his head...there was probably nothing left.
2014-03-14 12:04:22 PM
1 votes:
Not surprising.
 
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