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(Huffington Post)   So why were pictures of Osama Bin Laden never released? They apparently had to scoop him into the body bag with a spatula   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 363
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2014-03-14 12:04:22 PM  
Not surprising.
 
2014-03-14 12:14:21 PM  
Look at all the farks I give.....
 
2014-03-14 12:20:32 PM  
Well that's just a misuse of a cooking implement right there.  I hope they ran it through the dish washer a couple of times after.
 
2014-03-14 12:23:36 PM  

James!: Well that's just a misuse of a cooking implement right there.  I hope they ran it through the dish washer a couple of times after.


That's not how it works.

The SEALs don't carry any sort of utensils at all. When they eat the hold the meat in their hands and rip it from the bone with their teeth. They probably sent the junior guy downstairs to the kitchen to find a spatula, used it, and then left it behind, because let's face it, a spatula is a pretty shiatty souvenir.
 
2014-03-14 12:27:08 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: James!: Well that's just a misuse of a cooking implement right there.  I hope they ran it through the dish washer a couple of times after.

That's not how it works.

The SEALs don't carry any sort of utensils at all. When they eat the hold the meat in their hands and rip it from the bone with their teeth. They probably sent the junior guy downstairs to the kitchen to find a spatula, used it, and then left it behind, because let's face it, a spatula is a pretty shiatty souvenir.


They should train that guy a little better then.  A spatula isn't what you want for picking up viscera. What you want is a ladle.

It's what I use... er... Would use...
 
2014-03-14 12:34:50 PM  

James!: They should train that guy a little better then.  A spatula isn't what you want for picking up viscera. What you want is a ladle.


You can't use a ladle on a floor. You use a spatula so you can kind of scrape things into little piles and then sort of flick it into the bag. I'm told that steel ones with a good edge work best, but I suppose if the Bin Ladens cared about their non-stick cookware this might not have been available.
 
2014-03-14 12:35:45 PM  
Head shots are particularly gory...and I'm guessing they unloaded a lot of those hundred shots into his head...there was probably nothing left.
 
2014-03-14 12:36:52 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: James!: They should train that guy a little better then.  A spatula isn't what you want for picking up viscera. What you want is a ladle.

You can't use a ladle on a floor. You use a spatula so you can kind of scrape things into little piles and then sort of flick it into the bag. I'm told that steel ones with a good edge work best, but I suppose if the Bin Ladens cared about their non-stick cookware this might not have been available.


Are we talking hard wood or carpet?
 
2014-03-14 12:37:01 PM  
Overkill-- It's what we Americans do best.
 
2014-03-14 12:43:55 PM  
i1.ytimg.com
 
2014-03-14 12:45:39 PM  
So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?
 
2014-03-14 12:46:22 PM  
Trust me, when Obama farts a guy's face off, you don't want to see the aftermath.
 
2014-03-14 12:48:37 PM  

Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?


Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.
 
2014-03-14 12:55:43 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.


I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.
 
2014-03-14 12:55:57 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-14 12:59:00 PM  

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


Personally, I don't care if it was 1 or 100 bullets.

The farker is dead either way and the world is a slightly better place for it.
 
2014-03-14 01:00:14 PM  
FTFA: But an extreme degree of violence would explain why U.S. President Barack Obama's administration was so resistant to release a set of photos, for fear of a possible backlash against U.S. interests

I'll take "fark you, we don't reveal anything that compromises methods and sources" for $1000, Alex.
 
2014-03-14 01:03:25 PM  
I think the right has a dilemma here. Since Obama was involved, they could be outraged that he sent a bunch of violent psychos over there. Yet they have no leg to stand with that accusation. Might come off a tad hypocritical.

/don't think that Special Forces are recruited from the Boy Scouts
 
2014-03-14 01:03:59 PM  
It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.
 
2014-03-14 01:04:05 PM  
But this is perhaps the most measured and polite description that one could give of how operator after operator took turns dumping magazines-worth of ammunition into Bin Laden's body, two confidential sources within the community have told us. When all was said and done, UBL had over a hundred bullets in him, by the most conservative estimate.

I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that.  They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place.  When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?
 
2014-03-14 01:09:07 PM  

slayer199: Head shots are particularly gory...and I'm guessing they unloaded a lot of those hundred shots into his head...there was probably nothing left.


Hundred shots? I would hope the Navy SEALs have better fire discipline than the NYPD.
 
2014-03-14 01:09:55 PM  
Sick?
 
2014-03-14 01:10:22 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-14 01:10:38 PM  
It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?
 
2014-03-14 01:10:46 PM  
Good.
 
2014-03-14 01:10:50 PM  
images.fineartamerica.com
 
2014-03-14 01:10:54 PM  

Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.


No it wasn't.  Unless you think a guy can organize and carry out an attack that kills thousands of people then just say "time out guys, I'm not playing right now".
 
2014-03-14 01:11:11 PM  
I just cannot find it within me to give a damn.
 
2014-03-14 01:11:40 PM  

Superjew: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

No it wasn't.  Unless you think a guy can organize and carry out an attack that kills thousands of people then just say "time out guys, I'm not playing right now".


To be fair, he was at home base. Everyone is safe at home base.
 
2014-03-14 01:11:41 PM  
I use a spatula for an ince scraper for my car. Works great. Also used a spatula in January as a mixer for a plaster mix.

Spatulas... better than you think...
 
2014-03-14 01:11:42 PM  

slayer199: Head shots are particularly gory...and I'm guessing they unloaded a lot of those hundred shots into his head...there was probably nothing left.


Nah, they need photographic evidence they got him. I'm guessing the head was all that was left.
 
2014-03-14 01:12:08 PM  
Sounds like the sort of thing you'd do if you needed to fake an Osama killing. Mutilate the body beyond recognition, dump it in the sea at night. Nobody's any the wiser that he died in a cave years ago. Everybody gets to pat themselves on the back.

Have fun with that, conspiracy theorists.
 
2014-03-14 01:12:10 PM  
I wouldn't be surprised if a some SEALs pumped a few rounds into him just so they could say they did it later, but I doubt it was 100+ rounds. They were still in the middle of an operation, and could have very easily ended up in a fire fight trying to get out. I don't think people that highly trained would be taking on that much added risk during probably the biggest mission in SEAL history.
 
2014-03-14 01:12:13 PM  
Pics or it didn't happen.
 
2014-03-14 01:12:17 PM  
He still won...
 
2014-03-14 01:12:40 PM  
Count me in on the "team don't give a shiat."

Farker's dead. Doesn't matter to me how many bullets they used, if they ran him over with a steamroller, or dropped an Acme safe on him. So long as he's dead, it's fine with me. If they used too much force, well, overkill is my favorite kind of kill.
 
2014-03-14 01:12:44 PM  
pics.indavideo.hu
 
2014-03-14 01:13:03 PM  
Cool!
 
2014-03-14 01:13:08 PM  
But..... the body in Zero Dark Thirty looked intact.... I'm really confused.
 
2014-03-14 01:13:33 PM  

StopDaddy: I use a spatula for an ince ice scraper for my car. Works great. Also used a spatula in January as a mixer for a plaster mix.

Spatulas... better than you think...



FTFM
 
2014-03-14 01:13:48 PM  

naughtyrev: Not surprising.


I thought they would be professional. But sure.
 
2014-03-14 01:13:55 PM  

shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?


Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.
 
2014-03-14 01:14:00 PM  
I'm sure any other spec ops team like SAS, JTF2, whatever the Aussies have etc, would have done the same - I'm surprised they didn't shove a grenade up his ass and took a dump on his corpse afterwards.

Who.
the fark.
cares?
 
2014-03-14 01:14:21 PM  
www.goldenspatula.net
 
2014-03-14 01:14:22 PM  
Oh well.
 
2014-03-14 01:14:24 PM  
Morally speaking I'm generally against this sort of thing.

But in this case...

Not a single fark was given.
 
2014-03-14 01:14:48 PM  

Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.


The circuses that would've followed were not worth it.

Millions would be spent putting him on trial and all that shiat.
 
2014-03-14 01:14:51 PM  
Bullshiat.

"blah, blah, blah unnamed sources... blah, blah, blah"

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that SEAL Team 6 is a group of professionals that were well aware of the level of scrutiny that they would face after this operation and acted accordingly.
 
2014-03-14 01:14:53 PM  
Oh Poor Baby!
 
2014-03-14 01:15:01 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Sounds like the sort of thing you'd do if you needed to fake an Osama killing. Mutilate the body beyond recognition, dump it in the sea at night. Nobody's any the wiser that he died in a cave years ago. Everybody gets to pat themselves on the back.

Have fun with that, conspiracy theorists.


Or did he shave his beard, change one letter of his name, and become President of the United States? WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!
 
2014-03-14 01:15:07 PM  
He kept coming right at them!

Sounds like they could have used a shop vac too.
 
2014-03-14 01:15:31 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

The circuses that would've followed were not worth it.

Millions would be spent putting him on trial and all that shiat.


But pretgending it was anything but a kill order is silly. We all know the truth.
 
2014-03-14 01:15:47 PM  

Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.


Yeah, those Seals are usually really fat.  And they probably didn't have shoot to kill orders.
 
2014-03-14 01:16:11 PM  
Meh, except that these Seals are the most elite of our military and should know better.

But yeah, meh.
 
2014-03-14 01:16:18 PM  

macadamnut: Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Sounds like the sort of thing you'd do if you needed to fake an Osama killing. Mutilate the body beyond recognition, dump it in the sea at night. Nobody's any the wiser that he died in a cave years ago. Everybody gets to pat themselves on the back.

Have fun with that, conspiracy theorists.

Or did he shave his beard, change one letter of his name, and become President of the United States? WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!


I heard he was working as a low level accountant at Goldman Sachs.
 
2014-03-14 01:16:21 PM  

Lsherm: But this is perhaps the most measured and polite description that one could give of how operator after operator took turns dumping magazines-worth of ammunition into Bin Laden's body, two confidential sources within the community have told us. When all was said and done, UBL had over a hundred bullets in him, by the most conservative estimate.

I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that.  They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place.  When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?


I'm sure the ship they dumped his body into the sea from had plenty of places for target practice.
 
2014-03-14 01:16:22 PM  
Sounds like BS to me. They knew thet had to bring the body back, so why make that mess for themselves? Plus, the pictures from his bedroom taken by the Pakistanis don't reflect this allegation. (I believe there are pics of OBL's room after the raid floating around on the internet)

And if it is true? Meh.
 
2014-03-14 01:16:44 PM  

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


Virtually every spec-ops team prides themselves on how little they have to fire their weapons to accomplish their mission. I agree that it sounds like some BS from a clueless twit.
 
2014-03-14 01:16:49 PM  
True story: I once spanked a fat chick with a spatula.  They really are multipurpose tools.
 
2014-03-14 01:16:52 PM  
The gruesome photo in question:

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 01:17:02 PM  

Chris Ween: scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

The circuses that would've followed were not worth it.

Millions would be spent putting him on trial and all that shiat.

But pretgending it was anything but a kill order is silly. We all know the truth.


I don't think anyone's pretending...
 
2014-03-14 01:17:05 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [www.goldenspatula.net image 322x228]


Came here to post this.
 
2014-03-14 01:17:31 PM  
i59.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-14 01:17:50 PM  

fireclown: Pics or it didn't happen.


Pics are fairly useless nowadays in the age pf Photoshop. I believe them, if only because Bin Laden probably would have made another tape to show he's still alive once he heard he was "killed". That would not have been good for Obama or the rest of the country.
 
2014-03-14 01:18:04 PM  
Good.
 
2014-03-14 01:18:24 PM  
So he could have died from lead poisoning.
 
2014-03-14 01:18:25 PM  
Can't say i give a shiat about Bin Laden's dead body, but you really would expect a lot more discipline from the best of the best.  It's rather disheartening if our top men are about as professional as Blackwater.
 
2014-03-14 01:18:38 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: He still won...


Expect a visit from the Department of Homeland Security, citizen.
 
2014-03-14 01:18:45 PM  
I see no problem with this.
 
2014-03-14 01:19:00 PM  
The biggest mistake the hero makes in the movie is thinking he killed the bad guy without really, really making sure.
 
2014-03-14 01:19:02 PM  
Yeah right. This wasn't NYPD shooting at an unarmed black guy. They weren't dropping mags into him and reloading. You aren't gonna blow more ammo than you need to if you have a potential firefight ahead.
 
2014-03-14 01:19:04 PM  
i1.ytimg.com

Buy 9 spatulas and get the 10th for just a penny!
 
2014-03-14 01:19:09 PM  

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


And remember there was a live feed to the white house.  I doubt the guys on the raid would have been farking around shooting rounds into a dead body.
 
2014-03-14 01:19:09 PM  
"Sources claim."
 
2014-03-14 01:19:33 PM  

Mugato: fireclown: Pics or it didn't happen.

Pics are fairly useless nowadays in the age pf Photoshop. I believe them, if only because Bin Laden probably would have made another tape to show he's still alive once he heard he was "killed". That would not have been good for Obama or the rest of the country.


Evidence of any kind, or it didn't happen?
 
2014-03-14 01:20:09 PM  
Gee, what a shame.
 
2014-03-14 01:20:14 PM  

toraque: True story: I once spanked a fat chick with a spatula.  They really are multipurpose tools.


Greasing up the spatula before you cook.  Nice.
 
2014-03-14 01:20:16 PM  

Chris Ween: I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.


i184.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-14 01:20:18 PM  
I don't care if they made flowers on his mutilated carbon-based matter:  He's dead, job well done whether it was 1 bullet or 1000.
 
2014-03-14 01:20:20 PM  

Cymbal: Lsherm: But this is perhaps the most measured and polite description that one could give of how operator after operator took turns dumping magazines-worth of ammunition into Bin Laden's body, two confidential sources within the community have told us. When all was said and done, UBL had over a hundred bullets in him, by the most conservative estimate.

I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that.  They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place.  When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?

I'm sure the ship they dumped his body into the sea from had plenty of places for target practice.


mediafieldsjournal.squarespace.comWhat the dumping may have looked like.
 
2014-03-14 01:20:41 PM  

dfacto: Can't say i give a shiat about Bin Laden's dead body, but you really would expect a lot more discipline from the best of the best.


If reports of them desecrating his bullet-ridden corpse pop up, then talk about discipline. Otherwise, these guys were acting on behalf of pretty much every American, so I don't blame them one bit. I would have done the same.
 
2014-03-14 01:20:47 PM  

scottydoesntknow: To be fair, he was at home base. Everyone is safe at home base.


Nuh-uh, he forgot to say "Allah allah oxen free."
 
2014-03-14 01:20:52 PM  
Shot at least 100 times? I honestly can't think of a more deserving guy than bin Laden.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 01:21:27 PM  

toraque: True story: I once spanked a fat chick with a spatula.  They really are multipurpose tools.


Was it just used to cook bacon? Inquiring minds want to know.
 
2014-03-14 01:21:38 PM  

MrBallou: PhiloeBedoe: He still won...

Expect a visit from the Department of Homeland Security, citizen.


Yeah, even saying that semi-facetiously kinda proves it...
 
2014-03-14 01:22:11 PM  
They should have brought him back to stand trial.
 
2014-03-14 01:22:19 PM  
Why his body must have looked like it had been crushed with several million tons of construction debris, airliner remnants and office supplies.

[grumpycatsezgood.jpg]
 
2014-03-14 01:22:22 PM  
The farker killed thousands of people in America and bombed the shiat out of Iraqi civilians.  He got off easy with only 100 rounds in his sorry arse.
 
2014-03-14 01:22:27 PM  
"Initial reports claimed two shots were fired to kill bin Laden. While that number climbed in later reports, the claims of "over a hundred bullets" would suggest a level of savagery and, as SOFREP puts it, "self-indulgence" not admitted in prior accounts of the operation."

i62.tinypic.com
 
2014-03-14 01:22:38 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Millions would be spent putting him on trial and all that shiat.


And he'd require more protective custody than a mafia snitch. Others could have gotten killed from all the assassination attempts on him.
 
2014-03-14 01:22:41 PM  
I beleive they officially buried the bag at sea.  Probably even took a few pictures to make sure it was legit.

I also beleive they had a couple frogmen in the water to retrieve the bag and take it over to the helicopter carrier.   to keep later, just in case they needed to prove they had killed him and not some other clown.
 
2014-03-14 01:22:46 PM  

poot_rootbeer: scottydoesntknow: To be fair, he was at home base. Everyone is safe at home base.

Nuh-uh, he forgot to say "Allah allah oxen free."


[slowclap.gif]
 
2014-03-14 01:24:07 PM  
EXCLUSIVE BIN LADEN AUTOPSY PHOTOS!!!
www.zerohedge.com
 
2014-03-14 01:24:56 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [www.goldenspatula.net image 322x228]


Thank you.  Surprised it took so long.
 
2014-03-14 01:25:11 PM  

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


Pretty much this. Not exactly a credible source for the article. A few extra rounds to "make sure", okay...unloading a pile of ammo needlessly while in a *very* hot spot, that doesn't make any sense.

Either way, though, who cares, other than the compound cleaning lady?
 
2014-03-14 01:25:22 PM  
Well I'm glad these psychopaths are on our side.
 
2014-03-14 01:25:50 PM  
"Typical cyclic rates of fire are 460-900 RPM for assault rifles, 1,000-1,100 RPM in some cases, 900-1,200 RPM for submachine guns and machine pistols, and 600-1,200 RPM for machine guns. "

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rate_of_fire#Cyclic_rate

Hundreds of bullets would have taken only seconds to fire, from multiple shooters.

Oh, and, meh.  But it's good they didn't release the photos.
 
2014-03-14 01:26:25 PM  
I just hope the fish didn't choke on any bullet fragments.
 
2014-03-14 01:26:55 PM  
anthonyjosephevans.com
Body Bag trifecta in play!
 
2014-03-14 01:27:03 PM  
someone cares about this?
 
2014-03-14 01:27:06 PM  
Bullshiat.

The article claims the operators took turns doing mag dumps into his body?  I doubt it.
 
2014-03-14 01:27:18 PM  
What a spatula may look like:
www.armygear.net
 
2014-03-14 01:27:46 PM  

Riche: Overkill-- It's what we Americans do best.


Ya but some people have it coming. If only the seals could hit dick cheney next.
 
2014-03-14 01:28:00 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Superjew: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

No it wasn't.  Unless you think a guy can organize and carry out an attack that kills thousands of people then just say "time out guys, I'm not playing right now".

To be fair, he was at home base. Everyone is safe at home base.


Maybe, but did he yell, "Ollie Ollie Oxen Free!"  Because if he didn't, then home base isn't safe.
 
2014-03-14 01:28:15 PM  

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


I don't really believe this either.
 
2014-03-14 01:28:18 PM  
Yes, yes, keep playing "make believe" America.
 
2014-03-14 01:28:30 PM  

Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.


Almost any pinniped could have by that point
 
2014-03-14 01:28:34 PM  
One of these days, around 2075, some woman is going to go through her late Father's old Army things in his attic and find a small jar of something in formaldehyde, with "Obama's Left Nut" written on the label.
 
2014-03-14 01:28:36 PM  

hotrod2001: The farker killed thousands of people in America and bombed the shiat out of Iraqi civilians.  He got off easy with only 100 rounds in his sorry arse.


Cause that brings them all back.
 
2014-03-14 01:29:09 PM  

Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.


He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?
 
2014-03-14 01:29:39 PM  

TV's Vinnie: One of these days, around 2075, some woman is going to go through her late Father's old Army things in his attic and find a small jar of something in formaldehyde, with "Obama's Left Nut" written on the label.


???

/Now you're on a Secret Service list
 
2014-03-14 01:30:25 PM  

toraque: True story: I once spanked a fat chick with a spatula.  They really are multipurpose tools.


Ah, the Aunt Jemima treatment.

/can't be obscure.
 
2014-03-14 01:30:50 PM  

Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?


Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?
 
2014-03-14 01:30:52 PM  
i kind of don't think this guys would just sit there and unload lots of extra bullets when they were still in a place with lots of enemies with loaded weapons.

Sure firing a bit into him to "make sure he was dead", I can see but I find it doubtful that in the middle of a mission where there are lots of heavily armed guards they would just be unloading rounds and wasting time and ammunition.

It could happen I guess just seems it is unlikely to me.
 
2014-03-14 01:30:52 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-14 01:30:59 PM  
Probably not true, but don't care if it is.
 
2014-03-14 01:31:04 PM  
Ladle.

Spatula has slots, wouldn't be good at scooping anything.
 
2014-03-14 01:31:41 PM  
F*ck the pearl clutching cock suckers that is HuffPo.
 
2014-03-14 01:31:57 PM  
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-14 01:32:23 PM  
Yeah...a HuffPo link.....totally believable.
 
2014-03-14 01:32:47 PM  

Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?


If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

You can't compare what happened to OBL to random suspects on the street and doing so is disingenuous at best.
 
2014-03-14 01:32:49 PM  

what_now: Look at all the farks I give.....


This!
 
2014-03-14 01:33:33 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [pics.indavideo.hu image 720x520]


I never saw that episode, now I want to see it
 
2014-03-14 01:33:55 PM  
Yeah, put me in the "bullshiat" category.  No way they wasted time and ammo they might need later, and made that much noise just for kicks.  Everybody taking a couple shots? Sure.  Hundreds of rounds? Not a farking chance in Hell.
 
2014-03-14 01:33:55 PM  

Doctor Funkenstein: Trust me, when Obama farts a guy's face off, you don't want to see the aftermath.



inventorspot.com
inventorspot.com
 
2014-03-14 01:34:09 PM  

Superjew: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

No it wasn't.  Unless you think a guy can organize and carry out an attack that kills thousands of people then just say "time out guys, I'm not playing right now".


If there were ever a way to provide an example of semantics, this is it.

It was an assassination.
There are rules in combat, and the US followed none of them in terms of how this particular leader was taken out.  How could we have?  There was NO open combat going on there.

Not to say it was wrong, of course.  Some assassinations are necessary.  But don't try to make it look like there was any sort of combat going on at the time he was killed.
 
2014-03-14 01:34:44 PM  

PhiloeBedoe: He still won...


Came here to say the same farking thing.
 
2014-03-14 01:35:00 PM  

Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?


You don't seem to understand the meaning of "context" if that's the analogy you're going with.
 
2014-03-14 01:35:05 PM  
Were the bullets dipped in pigs blood?
 
2014-03-14 01:35:15 PM  

Mugato: I think the right has a dilemma here. Since Obama was involved, they could be outraged that he sent a bunch of violent psychos over there. Yet they have no leg to stand with that accusation. Might come off a tad hypocritical.

/don't think that Special Forces are recruited from the Boy Scouts


Why would the right give a shiat what Seal Team 6 did to OSB 's body? It's not Obama went into stealth Putin mode and did this himself (if it is even true).

The left on he other hand is trying to find someone to be outraged about the overreach of the military on the battle field because. No one who understands how the world works gives a rats ass.
 
2014-03-14 01:35:48 PM  

MrBallou: I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo


Assume:

Rate of fire of maybe 900 rounds per minute? (15 per second).

200 - 300 bullets fired, point blank, into the body.  Enough to pulp it.

That's total of only  13 to 20 seconds.

We aren't talking about wasting 20 minutes here.
 
2014-03-14 01:36:28 PM  
problem?
 
2014-03-14 01:36:43 PM  
So Obama was against gory pictures of a dead fellow-muslim being released? Color me surprised.

/ Doin' it rite?
 
2014-03-14 01:36:52 PM  

TV's Vinnie: One of these days, around 2075, some woman is going to go through her late Father's old Army things in his attic and find a small jar of something in formaldehyde, with "Obama's Left Nut" written on the label.


At least three of us should do that.

Also the fact that I was never in the military should really get the conspiracy theorists going.

"They had dudes who were never even officially in the military taking souvenirs of all three of Osama's testicles."
 
2014-03-14 01:36:57 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Sounds like the sort of thing you'd do if you needed to fake an Osama killing. Mutilate the body beyond recognition, dump it in the sea at night. Nobody's any the wiser that he died in a cave years ago has a new assignment in the CIA.  Everybody gets to pat themselves on the back.

Have fun with that, conspiracy theorists.

 
2014-03-14 01:37:00 PM  

Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?


Your context is a false equivalence.  Bin Laden is an enemy combatant, not a suspect, not an accused.  He's a verified international target.  Your context is closer to 'An LAPD cop sees Jeffrey Dahmer on the street after he's escaped prison, bought stock in a refrigerator company, and sent out several videos of him at the dinner table screaming "DUDES ARE FARKING YUMMY."'

Now, the optimal response can still be 'yanno, I'd prefer he be picked back up professionally and face the full response of the justice system.'  However, if he gets scrubbed by the LAPD at that point under the suspicion that he's out grocery shopping, well... it's a bit harder to get worked up.
 
2014-03-14 01:37:12 PM  

hotrod2001: bombed the shiat out of Iraqi civilians.


No, no, no....we're talking about bin Laden, not GW Bush.
 
2014-03-14 01:38:42 PM  

MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.


That's what I think as well.  They were in a hostile territory knowing their time on the ground was very limited.  They DEFINITELY did not want to fight any Pakistani military or police forces that may have responded.

At worst I could see each one shooting the body once just so they could say they did.  But that seems very unprofessional by a group that is extremely professional.

I don't buy this story at all.
 
2014-03-14 01:38:57 PM  
It wasn't like

bang

one one thousand

bang

one one thousand

bang

It was more like

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb b bbbbbbbbbbbang
 
2014-03-14 01:39:58 PM  
Pre chewed for the sharks. Nice of them.
 
2014-03-14 01:41:10 PM  

s1ugg0: At worst I could see each one shooting the body once just so they could say they did.  But that seems very unprofessional by a group that is extremely professional.

And

boyvoyeur: It wasn't like

bang

one one thousand

bang

one one thousand

bang

It was more like

bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb b bbbbbbbbbbbang


Fifteen or more bangs per "one one thousand."
 
2014-03-14 01:41:48 PM  

Nick Nostril: Pre chewed for the sharks. Nice of them.


I never thought I would see a scenario where I would consider Osama a good chum.
 
2014-03-14 01:42:18 PM  

Nutsac_Jim: I beleive they officially buried the bag at sea.  Probably even took a few pictures to make sure it was legit.

I also beleive they had a couple frogmen in the water to retrieve the bag and take it over to the helicopter carrier.   to keep later, just in case they needed to prove they had killed him and not some other clown.


IIRC they also too DNA samples to check as well.

They probably used depth charges after they buried him at sea just to be sure.
 
2014-03-14 01:42:19 PM  
Unless the number of bullets was larger than the number of lives lost on 9/11, I don't consider it excessive.
 
2014-03-14 01:42:58 PM  
FTFA: ". . .  a disturbing trend of alarmingly brutal military behavior that includes graphic evidence of U.S. troops and on slain enemy combatants"

They've been fighting for TOO FARKING LONG, A-HOLES. Bring our boys home for Christ's sake.
 
2014-03-14 01:43:16 PM  

toraque: True story: I once spanked a fat chick with a spatula.  They really are multipurpose tools.


you hafta pay extra for that?
 
2014-03-14 01:43:32 PM  
Anyone who would be upset about a murderous ass-pimple like Bin laden being filled full of lead needs to go DIAF.
 
2014-03-14 01:43:34 PM  
maddox.xmission.com
 
2014-03-14 01:43:39 PM  
i536.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-14 01:44:45 PM  

scottydoesntknow: If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.


IF...  The videos of him claiming responsibility were proven to be Fakes, to this day the FBI doesn't have any evidence linking him.  Bush and Cheney openly laugh and Joke about the thousands they are responsible for killing in Iraq.
 
2014-03-14 01:44:55 PM  
He was Obama bin Ladle when the Seals were done with him, right?

Chum? Chum? (crickets)

The Snark must have been a Boojum.
 
2014-03-14 01:45:17 PM  
Yeah right. "Boy's we've just invaded a sovereign nation and killed the most wanted man on the planet, we still have to get out of the country alive, let's waste all our ammo beating a dead horse."

Whatever you say HuffPo.
 
2014-03-14 01:46:41 PM  
It was a corpse at that point.  Savagery is sending planes into office buildings.
 
2014-03-14 01:48:36 PM  
In the video's the CIA released he kept getting younger so I guess it was a fetus when they aborted it.
 
2014-03-14 01:49:03 PM  

flynn80: scottydoesntknow: If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

IF...  The videos of him claiming responsibility were proven to be Fakes, to this day the FBI doesn't have any evidence linking him.  Bush and Cheney openly laugh and Joke about the thousands they are responsible for killing in Iraq.


WTF are you talking about? You're gonna need a big ole citation for that, and it can't be from a birther/truther site.

Do I need to flag you as a 9/11 truther now?
 
2014-03-14 01:49:14 PM  
"Un-named source" is usually the guy who didn't get picked to go on the mission, pestered the guys who did go on the mission until they told him some mildly believable story to make him go away, and now he's spewing that crap to anyone who will listen.  And didn't the team involved in the mission go down in a heli crash?  No one to refute his statements ...  until they are declassified, anyway.  In 10+ years.  That also doesn't sound like any of the former operators I know.  Something about taking absolutely nothing for granted would have prevented any of them from wasting ammunition like the story describes.  Waste naught, want naught.

friend is a former marine(Yes, I know, a marine is always a marine).  He saw things he can loosely describe, but anything concrete and he gets taken away in chains, should someone find out.  He has enough stories about Basic or R&R(usually involving Vegas) to keep everyone in stitches.  Those and the crap that goes on during the reunion-thingy the marines hold every year.

/he needs to only travel through Vegas going west, otherwise, skip the casinos
//whenever he gets a little too cocky, his father tells the story about how he really farked up his knee, which involves a certain set of stairs, not a clash with insurgents
 
2014-03-14 01:50:29 PM  

violentsalvation: Yeah right. "Boy's we've just invaded a sovereign nation and killed the most wanted man on the planet, we still have to get out of the country alive, let's waste all our ammo beating a dead horse."

Whatever you say HuffPo.


They  only carried a few hundred rounds?  And they didn't have 10 - 15 seconds to spare?

That makes even less sense.
 
2014-03-14 01:50:43 PM  

slayer199: Head shots are particularly gory...and I'm guessing they unloaded a lot of those hundred shots into his head...there was probably nothing left.


Given that it would make for confirming his identity a little difficult (which I'm fairly certain they were ordered to do) I'm not so sure.

"Does this little dangling piece of earlobe look like the one if the photo?"

"Close enough. Let's roll."
 
2014-03-14 01:53:08 PM  
And as for the argument that they are too disciplined to do such a thing, I've seen enough in the last fifteen years to make me serious question overall military discipline.
 
2014-03-14 01:53:24 PM  
It was probably like that scene in Dogma, with the Golgothan.

www.headinjurytheater.com

Jay: Smoke that motherfarker like it aint no thang!
 
2014-03-14 01:53:45 PM  
Disgusting, but sadly, not surprising. But the good news is, I can think of absolutely no way this will come back to bite us.
 
2014-03-14 01:53:49 PM  
serious
ly

seriously
 
2014-03-14 01:54:31 PM  

Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?


Put it in this context.  Do you want Marine snipers to have to strap flashing blue & red lights to their helmets?
 
2014-03-14 01:54:34 PM  
LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES.  WE'RE BEING LIED TO.  LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES.
 
2014-03-14 01:55:48 PM  

Lsherm: But this is perhaps the most measured and polite description that one could give of how operator after operator took turns dumping magazines-worth of ammunition into Bin Laden's body, two confidential sources within the community have told us. When all was said and done, UBL had over a hundred bullets in him, by the most conservative estimate.

I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that.  They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place.  When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?


Yeah it sounds like nonsense.  The only thing I can think of is some sort of scenario where each SEAL present had to fire rounds into him so the "kill" was shared, or something bizarre like that.  Even so, it seems like a hell of a risk to take, in a foreign country we aren't even supposed to be in, with the possibility of armed men closing in and a wrecked helicopter outside.  Sounds ridiculous.
 
2014-03-14 01:55:55 PM  
You know who like to make up BS stories? SF operators. Those guys don't play by the rules. I'm 50-50 on whether to believe they mutilated bin Laden's corpse by wasting ammo on it (yeah, I could see it) and believing somebody just made this up for the lulz and posted it. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter, because I assume they have to account for rounds expended in their after action reports. It's not like there was a big firefight; there were like three individual shootouts inside the building, so most of the guys wouldn't have had any reason to fire a round.
 
2014-03-14 01:56:23 PM  
Footage of the shooting can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmUpso_xT8
 
2014-03-14 01:57:41 PM  

toraque: True story: I once spanked a fat chick with a spatula.  They really are multipurpose tools.


That is oddly satisfying as well.
 
2014-03-14 01:57:47 PM  
I honestly don't care if they played ping pong with his balls.
 
2014-03-14 01:58:24 PM  

gopher321: I'm sure any other spec ops team like SAS, JTF2, whatever the Aussies have etc, would have done the same - I'm surprised they didn't shove a grenade up his ass and took a dump on his corpse afterwards.

Who.
the fark.
cares?


Personally? I hope the SEALS shait and pissed on his corpse first and buried him at sea with a Star of David emblem in his pocket, the Christian cross around his neck (with a chain so it would stay in place), and a caricature of Allah, drawn by an infidel, in his pocket. Screw him!
 
2014-03-14 01:58:51 PM  

flynn80: scottydoesntknow: If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

IF...  The videos of him claiming responsibility were proven to be Fakes, to this day the FBI doesn't have any evidence linking him.  Bush and Cheney openly laugh and Joke about the thousands they are responsible for killing in Iraq.


I love 9/11 truthers.You guys are so much fun.
 
2014-03-14 02:00:15 PM  

mbillips: You know who like to make up BS stories? SF operators. Those guys don't play by the rules. I'm 50-50 on whether to believe they mutilated bin Laden's corpse by wasting ammo on it (yeah, I could see it) and believing somebody just made this up for the lulz and posted it. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter, because I assume they have to account for rounds expended in their after action reports. It's not like there was a big firefight; there were like three individual shootouts inside the building, so most of the guys wouldn't have had any reason to fire a round.


Not to mention they knew there was a room full of White House people watching their actions through helmet cams.
 
2014-03-14 02:01:03 PM  

Carousel Beast: flynn80: scottydoesntknow: If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

IF...  The videos of him claiming responsibility were proven to be Fakes, to this day the FBI doesn't have any evidence linking him.  Bush and Cheney openly laugh and Joke about the thousands they are responsible for killing in Iraq.

I love 9/11 truthers.You guys are so much fun.


I'm still waiting on his citations. Glad I specified it can't come from a birther/truther site.
 
2014-03-14 02:01:17 PM  

Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.


People like you deserve to be victims.
 
2014-03-14 02:02:18 PM  
Do people not realize how damaging these fabricated clickbait stories can be?

Someone can take this 'article' at face value, and post it on an extremist recruiting site, furthering the idea that US Troops are savages without restraint who violate every notion of civility.  If the photos weren't released because of their potential propaganda value when turned against the US (look what the US did to your brother UBL, avenge him!), this story fills the same farking void.
 
2014-03-14 02:02:41 PM  
Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.
 
2014-03-14 02:03:10 PM  

Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?


More to the point, the key question isn't whether he appeared to be unarmed (emphasis on "appeared", given the kinds of weapons terrorists are known for using in that region), but rather, whether he was actively surrendering.
 
2014-03-14 02:05:51 PM  
I really don't understand all the incredulity.

Was it possible to pulp his body in a matter of seconds?  The high rate of fire on modern weapons says yes, of course.

Can we trust our soldiers to be professional and not do that to one of the most most hated men on the planet?  Experience says no, of course not.  Heck, they strip and torture nobodies just for luls.
 
2014-03-14 02:06:08 PM  

nekom: I honestly don't care if they played ping pong with his balls.


I do. Testicles tend to be off-round. They also don't bounce as well as the plastic ping pong balls. What you get is a ping pong "ball" that is impossibly unpredictable. Not what you want in a sanctioned event. Now if they used his nuts for one of those "who-can-toss-the-testicle-into-the-hat-from-across-the-room" contests, then I'd be fine with it.
 
2014-03-14 02:07:10 PM  
 
2014-03-14 02:07:22 PM  

sendtodave: MrBallou: I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo

Assume:

Rate of fire of maybe 900 rounds per minute? (15 per second).

200 - 300 bullets fired, point blank, into the body.  Enough to pulp it.

That's total of only  13 to 20 seconds.

We aren't talking about wasting 20 minutes here.


Your not taking magazine sizes into account. I don't care to look into the details but I doubt they were using a belt fed weapon so you're looking at 30 bullets per mag. The whole team wouldn't stand in a line and unload into him like a firing line so with standard room clearing procedures you're looking at two, maybe three shooters top. So 90 bullets fired maximum, assuming the team had really shiatty discipline and trigger happy.

Not that it matters as they never would have unloaded rounds just for joy in such a small room; too much risk of hitting a bystander or getting hit by a ricochet. Even weekend warriors wouldn't be that careless, let alone one of the most professionally trained teams in the world.
 
2014-03-14 02:07:51 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: James!: Well that's just a misuse of a cooking implement right there.  I hope they ran it through the dish washer a couple of times after.

That's not how it works.

The SEALs don't carry any sort of utensils at all. When they eat the hold the meat in their hands and rip it from the bone with their teeth. They probably sent the junior guy downstairs to the kitchen to find a spatula, used it, and then left it behind, because let's face it, a spatula is a pretty shiatty souvenir.


Quit telling lies.  You know damned well they carry a gob spoon.
 
2014-03-14 02:08:04 PM  
The entire story has never sounded believable.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:09:04 PM  

shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?


Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.
 
2014-03-14 02:09:44 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.


Link for the Osama one then please =)
 
2014-03-14 02:11:18 PM  

KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)


It's on my hard drive.
 
2014-03-14 02:12:12 PM  
Made it easier for the fish to eat him
 
2014-03-14 02:12:28 PM  

KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)


I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.
 
2014-03-14 02:13:30 PM  

Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?


Is the LAPD in a war surrounded by people with loaded military weapons and in a country that doesn't even allow them to be there and doesn't recognize their legality to make the arrest in the first place? - THAT'S YOUR FARKING CONTEXT!

War and police actions work on two different sets of rules. In war you are in a hostile environment all around you. If you think we can go into wars "arresting" people - you are kidding yourself.
 
2014-03-14 02:13:34 PM  

poot_rootbeer: scottydoesntknow: To be fair, he was at home base. Everyone is safe at home base.

Nuh-uh, he forgot to say "Allah allah oxen free."


Well played!
 
2014-03-14 02:15:35 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.


I don't understand the aversion to showing and seeing dead people.
OBL's pic with 2 holes in his head should have been widely distributed, imo.
 
2014-03-14 02:15:52 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.


It was the Jews, wasn't it?  They took those damn pictures down.  Is there no limit to their mendacious evil?
 
2014-03-14 02:15:55 PM  

Saners: Your not taking magazine sizes into account. I don't care to look into the details but I doubt they were using a belt fed weapon so you're looking at 30 bullets per mag


I'm guessing this is what they used:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK416

Feed system    20, 30-round STANAG magazine or 100-round Beta C-Mag

So, 30 or 100 in a round magazine.  I'd go with the 100, for an operation like this, but, eh, who knows?
 
2014-03-14 02:16:01 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?

If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

You can't compare what happened to OBL to random suspects on the street and doing so is disingenuous at best.


Goring got a trial.
 
2014-03-14 02:16:21 PM  

m00: he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like


"Secretly"? I thought it was common knowledge that the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen from 1979-1989 (Operation Cyclone).
 
2014-03-14 02:18:00 PM  

mccallcl: scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?

If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

You can't compare what happened to OBL to random suspects on the street and doing so is disingenuous at best.

Goring got a trial.


He was not assassinated.  He was shot.
 
2014-03-14 02:18:01 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: m00: he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like

"Secretly"? I thought it was common knowledge that the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen from 1979-1989 (Operation Cyclone).


If it's not repeated on Fox News at least five times an hour, it's not common knowledge.
 
2014-03-14 02:19:08 PM  

m00: Have a PUBLIC trial.


Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.
 
2014-03-14 02:20:09 PM  

Mugato: m00: Have a PUBLIC trial.

Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.


People would have tried to kill him?

Well, then, it's better that we killed him.
 
2014-03-14 02:20:16 PM  

mccallcl: scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?

If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

You can't compare what happened to OBL to random suspects on the street and doing so is disingenuous at best.

Goring got a trial.


He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.
 
2014-03-14 02:21:27 PM  
static1.wikia.nocookie.net

It'll do wonders in the hands of a professional.
 
2014-03-14 02:22:01 PM  

Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.


Um, how do you propose handling it without assassinating him? Carpet nuke the whole country? Capture and imprison him thereby ensuring 1,000 suicide bombers every day he's in captivity?
 
2014-03-14 02:22:04 PM  
WTFDYW F*ck the pearl clutching cock suckers that is HuffPo.

I'm dubious about the insight of any Greek woman married to a rich dude 11 years & not figure out he was teh ghey.  As for the article, if they already lost a top-secret chopper on this mission with ISI en route I'd rather have the Seals go the swiss cheese route than have it compromised like another "Lone Survivor" clusterfark
extarscube.com
 
2014-03-14 02:22:15 PM  

scottydoesntknow: He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.


Death is all he was hoping for?

He lost his cyanide pill?
 
2014-03-14 02:22:55 PM  

sendtodave: People would have tried to kill him?

Well, then, it's better that we killed him.


You weren't paying attention to what I was saying.
 
2014-03-14 02:24:45 PM  

sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.

Death is all he was hoping for?

He lost his cyanide pill?


I'm not your personal wiki. You brought up Goering, not anyone else. This thread is about Bin Laden.

Go check out his bio if you really care.
 
2014-03-14 02:25:45 PM  

Saners: Even weekend warriors wouldn't be that careless, let alone one of the most professionally trained teams in the world.


Probably-My-Imagination CSB:

I hang out, for totally unrelated reasons, with a group that includes a lot of high-level active military guys. There's one guy who is hard-edged squared-away and VERY closed-mouth about exactly what he does but from things he's said, he knows a lot about active clandestine operations.

He disappeared for a few weeks before the OBL affair and then reappeared right afterward. One of the other guys, also in Intel, greeted him with a quizzical look and said, "Oh, I heard you've been traveling...". He smiled a smug smile and said, "Yeah. It turned out to be very fruitful.". Nothing more was said, but it seemed clear he was referring to the raid.

I'm only guessing he was involved, but that's the way I would expect the kind of people that are on Seal Team Six to behave.
 
2014-03-14 02:26:37 PM  

scottydoesntknow: MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.

Personally, I don't care if it was 1 or 100 bullets.

The farker is dead either way and the world is a slightly better place for it.


I'll believe he's dead when I see pictures.
 
2014-03-14 02:27:22 PM  

WordsnCollision: Doctor Funkenstein: Trust me, when Obama farts a guy's face off, you don't want to see the aftermath.


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Of course the Kenyan usurper would use the traditional gun of his people and not a 'Murrican rifle.
 
2014-03-14 02:27:22 PM  

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.

People like you deserve to be victims.


You are odd.  And clearly angry about something.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:28:19 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: "Secretly"? I thought it was common knowledge that the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen from 1979-1989 (Operation Cyclone).


I don't think it's common knowledge. Every time it gets brought up both conservatives AND liberals get super pissy/offended that someone is telling LIES about how the US funded terrorist groups...  and the messenger is accused of being a conspiracy nut/terrorist/traitor/etc.

Like how the CIA trained and funded Saddam in in the 1950s, and later helped the Ba'athist revolution. Or how Clinton loaned Apaches to Turkey to commit genocide on Kurds living in northern Iraq.

But my point is Osama I'm sure has some knowledge of similar shady stuff the US has done, that our government doesn't want to get out. Because it's a "National Secret" which means it's horribly offensive and US citizens would disapprove if they knew about it. That's why he wasn't captured, he'd start talking about (example for illustrative purposes:) how the CIA practices torture techniques on homeless Americans that are disappeared off the streets of Washington DC and how he has actual evidence. Or whatever. But something awful.

/shrug
 
2014-03-14 02:29:15 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.


Photobucket it, we'll gladly save them and widely distro them =)
 
2014-03-14 02:29:19 PM  

scottydoesntknow: sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.

Death is all he was hoping for?

He lost his cyanide pill?

I'm not your personal wiki. You brought up Goering, not anyone else. This thread is about Bin Laden.

Go check out his bio if you really care.


I didn't bring up Goering.  You brought up Goering.

Or someone else did, maybe.  Beats me.

I brought up how guns shoot really fast, and how our soldiers are dicks.
 
2014-03-14 02:29:30 PM  
The truth nobody wants to hear is that Osama is alive and well and flying the missing jetliner
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:30:29 PM  

Mugato: Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.


So just to be clear... your position is that we should execute prisoners without a trial because innocent people might die when vigilantes try and kill said prisoner.

Cuz we managed to try the Nazis. We gave Eichmann a trial. But bin Laden... that's bullet-to-the-head w/o a trial.
 
2014-03-14 02:30:53 PM  

sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.

Death is all he was hoping for?

He lost his cyanide pill?

I'm not your personal wiki. You brought up Goering, not anyone else. This thread is about Bin Laden.

Go check out his bio if you really care.

I didn't bring up Goering.  You brought up Goering.

Or someone else did, maybe.  Beats me.

I brought up how guns shoot really fast, and how our soldiers are dicks.


Ahh, my apologies then. Thought you were the guy who said "Goering got a trial"
 
2014-03-14 02:31:47 PM  

m00: But my point is Osama I'm sure has some knowledge of similar shady stuff the US has done, that our government doesn't want to get out. Because it's a "National Secret" which means it's horribly offensive and US citizens would disapprove if they knew about it. That's why he wasn't captured,


That is not why he wasn't captured.

First of all, we change allies and enemies all the time. That's nothing new.

Second, what do you think they would have given him a podcast or something?
 
2014-03-14 02:31:55 PM  

KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.

Photobucket it, we'll gladly save them and widely distro them =)


https://www.google.com/search?q=osama+bin+laden+death+pictures&safe= of f&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pkojU-f0ApLo2gWLkIGo Dg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=896 (NSFW)

Hope it wasn't these fake ones
 
2014-03-14 02:32:13 PM  
MrBallou you left out 'CSB'.  It's just like the richest people I've have known Never. Ever. Talk About It
 
2014-03-14 02:32:55 PM  
i47.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-14 02:33:16 PM  

Mugato: sendtodave: People would have tried to kill him?

Well, then, it's better that we killed him.

You weren't paying attention to what I was saying.


You were worried about collateral damage.

I hold that our principles of justice over revenge are more important than anyone's lives.

Of course, I'm silly enough to think that others actually care for justice over revenge, too.
 
2014-03-14 02:33:53 PM  
There are so many conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 that it's impossible to keep track of them all, much less sort through and make any real sense of them. Which ones have possible merit? Which ones sound plausible, but have in fact been effectively debunked?

From the patently false statement that "nobody imagined that terrorists would use planes as weapons," to suspicious insider trading in the weeks and days leading up to 9/11; from the inordinate number of military drills taking place on 9/11 (and a much-delayed response from the Air Force), to the unheeded warnings from multiple nations regarding suspiciously high levels of terrorist activity leading up to the event; from Bush family members in key positions in corporations responsible for providing security to the World Trade Center and Dulles Airport, to documented instances of the FBI failing to follow up on field agents' warnings-there are in fact so many suspicious circumstances, unexplained anomalies, misleading statements (official and otherwise), and outright fabrications surrounding 9/11 (the detailed chronicling of which is far beyond the scope of this work) that it is easy to understand why a veritable 9/11-Conspiracy-Theory cottage industry has developed over the last ten-plus years.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:34:48 PM  

Mugato: That is not why he wasn't captured.

First of all, we change allies and enemies all the time. That's nothing new.

Second, what do you think they would have given him a podcast or something?



Okay, then you tell me. Why wasn't he captured?
 
2014-03-14 02:35:45 PM  

m00: Mugato: Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.

So just to be clear... your position is that we should execute prisoners without a trial because innocent people might die when vigilantes try and kill said prisoner.

Cuz we managed to try the Nazis. We gave Eichmann a trial. But bin Laden... that's bullet-to-the-head w/o a trial.


upload.wikimedia.org

Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
And ignore the actual thread!
 
2014-03-14 02:36:26 PM  
"...with a spatula."

Just came here to say, nice.
 
2014-03-14 02:36:37 PM  

m00: We gave Eichmann a trial


That was in Israel. I don't know what the Israelis are like but I know what Americans are like. And the circumstances under which Eichmann was captured are complete apples and oranges.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:36:43 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
And ignore the actual thread!


It's totally relevant. It's a counter-argument to...

1) Some people are just SO BAD they don't deserve a trial
2) There is no precedent for charging someone with international crimes
3) Security would be too much of a hassle
 
2014-03-14 02:37:14 PM  

FlyingJ: MrBallou you left out 'CSB'.  It's just like the richest people I've have known Never. Ever. Talk About It


MrBallou: Probably-My-Imagination CSB:


No I didn't.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:38:13 PM  

Mugato: That was in Israel. I don't know what the Israelis are like but I know what Americans are like. And the circumstances under which Eichmann was captured are complete apples and oranges.


I can't seriously believe you want to live in a world where all a prosecutor has to do to skip the trial is proclaim "Oh, security would be too hard. Let's just kill him."
 
2014-03-14 02:39:41 PM  

Mugato: Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country,


Nooope, nope, nope.  There likely wouldn't have been attempts on his life, from the public anyway, because (despite what is written on the 'nets) we are a bunch of cowed pussies.  We can't even bring a bunch of goat herders up from Gitmo to be tried because "OMFG, they're like super criminals or something".  Bringing bin Laden to justice would have simply made the US a target for an untold number of vest-wearing suicide bombers.

With regard to TFA, I doubt bin Laden was shot more than a half dozen times....a couple of pops to bring him down and a couple more as insurance.  Emptying full clips during an unfolding situation doesn't make sense.  Neither does a Seal team loosing control - one of the most highly trained and disciplined forces in the world.

/MHO
//Not a member of the core
 
2014-03-14 02:39:56 PM  

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Sounds like the sort of thing you'd do if you needed to fake an Osama killing. Mutilate the body beyond recognition, dump it in the sea at night. Nobody's any the wiser that he died in a cave years ago. Everybody gets to pat themselves on the back.

Have fun with that, conspiracy theorists.


ill see you that conspiracy
and raise you

......... get a face transplant and go back to working for the CIA as the "contractor"
 
2014-03-14 02:40:44 PM  
Spiffy tag starting the weekend early?
 
2014-03-14 02:40:49 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: nekom: I honestly don't care if they played ping pong with his balls.

I do. Testicles tend to be off-round. They also don't bounce as well as the plastic ping pong balls. What you get is a ping pong "ball" that is impossibly unpredictable. Not what you want in a sanctioned event. Now if they used his nuts for one of those "who-can-toss-the-testicle-into-the-hat-from-across-the-room" contests, then I'd be fine with it.


Never thought of it that way, you're right.  That would set a terrible example.  We can't have kids thinking it's ok to play with anything other than regulation ping pong balls or we can kiss that medal goodbye for decades to come.
 
2014-03-14 02:40:49 PM  

m00: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.


Say... If those facts are so secret, how do YOU know about them?
 
2014-03-14 02:40:58 PM  
Who the hell scoops anything with a spatula? Does subby balance food on a butter knife before eating it?
 
2014-03-14 02:41:06 PM  

James!: What you want is a ladle.


media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com
 
2014-03-14 02:41:15 PM  

violentsalvation: Yeah right. "Boy's we've just invaded a sovereign nation and killed the most wanted man on the planet, we still have to get out of the country alive, let's waste all our ammo beating a dead horse."

Whatever you say HuffPo.


That's why they crashed that one helicopter.  They were trying to aim it's gun in the door to get a few more shots on him.
 
2014-03-14 02:43:19 PM  
Released in 2006, the book chronicles their work, and in it, they charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," writing that the commission became so frustrated with repeated misstatements by Pentagon and Federal Aviation Administration officials during the course of the investigation that it considered a separate investigation into possible obstruction of justice by these officials.

Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission

From the beginning, the 9/11 Commission found itself facing obstacles - the Bush administration blocked its existence for months, the first co-chairs resigned right away, the budget was limited, and a polarized Washington was suspicious of its every request. Yet despite these long odds, the Commission produced a bestselling report unanimously hailed for its objectivity, along with a set of recommendations that led to the most significant reform of America's national security agencies in decades. This is a riveting insider's account of Washington at its worst - and its best.
 
2014-03-14 02:43:26 PM  

Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?


God I hate the phrase "boys will be boys". You know a female soldier would've done the same.


Can someone explain to me why 2 bullets that cause death followed by 100 bullets is "brutal"? What the hell does desecration of the body have to do with brutality? The guy's dead, he can't feel anything any more.
 
2014-03-14 02:44:56 PM  
They had to soften him up so that the pig could eat him quickly.
 
2014-03-14 02:47:01 PM  

serfdood: Were the bullets dipped in pigs blood?


Hey, why do your mags always smell like bacon?

Because you gotta defile the corpse to make sure they don't come back.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:47:16 PM  

Fano: Say... If those facts are so secret, how do YOU know about them?


It's not a secret that we funded OBL. It's just something that people choose to conveniently ignore, because the media outrage-factory cares more about whether Santa is white or not.

What is a secret is the details of those transactions. For example, outside sources have speculated as to the amount of money / equipment we've given the mujadeen, but nobody really knows. We know the CIA "helped" Saddam Hussein obtain power, and we know the CIA has caused revolutions in countless countries. There are just a lot of missing details. I'm pretty sure OBL could fill the world in what the CIA has been doing in the Middle East and I'm sure a lot of that would be news to Congress and the President. Because apparently the CIA is above Congress and President. Which I don't know why this doesn't scare anyone. Oh wait, I do. WAR ON CHRISTMAS.
 
2014-03-14 02:48:19 PM  
Well, at least they did the right thing because no planes have been hijacked since OBL's death?  Wait.  Wut? Malaysian Flight 370?  Never mind
 
2014-03-14 02:48:21 PM  

Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.


Well, this is why we didn't send you.

War or trial. No need to bother with both.
 
2014-03-14 02:49:04 PM  

sendtodave: Saners: Your not taking magazine sizes into account. I don't care to look into the details but I doubt they were using a belt fed weapon so you're looking at 30 bullets per mag

I'm guessing this is what they used:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK416

Feed system    20, 30-round STANAG magazine or 100-round Beta C-Mag

So, 30 or 100 in a round magazine.  I'd go with the 100, for an operation like this, but, eh, who knows?


If you empty a full magazine in one squeeze, you:

-waste a lot of bullets
-create a lot of noise
-the heat could potentially damage your rifle
-since this was in nighttime, you also blind yourself momentarily

...all of which puts you and your team at a disadvantage. My understanding is that this is why the US military typically has their assault rifles on semi-auto, and sometimes even remove the fully-automatic options, in which case it would take 30+ separate squeezes of the trigger to fire off 100 rounds.

And keep in mind the mission was carried out in a not-completely-friendly country without the knowledge of and cooperation from the Pakistani military, so they were also trying to get out before Pakistan can scramble their forces to intercept them.

I suppose there's no way to decisively prove what happened until everybody involved is retired or dead and we can unseal* the videos and the documents involved, but it seems like it would be extremely stupid of them if that's what they did.


*no pun intended
 
2014-03-14 02:49:21 PM  
after being dead for 10 years, the decay must have been somehting
 
2014-03-14 02:51:00 PM  

m00: I'm pretty sure OBL could fill the world in what the CIA has been doing in the Middle East and I'm sure a lot of that would be news to Congress and the President.


Like I said, that would have been one hell of a podcast. Maybe they'd have given him a blog as well with a message board for responses.
 
2014-03-14 02:53:40 PM  
My take away from that report?

Someone is trying to sell a book.
 
2014-03-14 02:55:34 PM  

m00: he capture


He wasn't captured because if he were alive in US custody every single American in every single country becomes a kidnap target to be held for ransom in exchange for Osama's release. There would be hundreds, if not more, beheadings of American tourists and military showing up on youtube constantly.
 
2014-03-14 02:56:56 PM  
And the real hero of the raid, who fired all those shots?

img0.joyreactor.com

I'm glad they pumped him with enough lead to build a dozen anchors! I hope they Gahdafied him with their guns afterwards!
 
2014-03-14 02:57:15 PM  

sendtodave: Mugato: sendtodave: People would have tried to kill him?

Well, then, it's better that we killed him.

You weren't paying attention to what I was saying.

You were worried about collateral damage.

I hold that our principles of justice over revenge are more important than anyone's lives.

Of course, I'm silly enough to think that others actually care for justice over revenge, too.


I'm confused. You don't think "justice" was served? I certainly do.

If bin Laden was permitted to live, there'd have been demands for his release and the possibility that he'd keep enough contact with people to execute orders from prison. That's not an option.

Like I said, war or trial, there's no need for both, it would be a waste and a farce.
 
2014-03-14 02:58:46 PM  
It's a good thing they didn't catch him in Cleveland.
 
2014-03-14 03:02:22 PM  
The SEALs had no business shooting him that many times. Now he is triple dog dead, and that is as dead as someone can get. (It goes dead, dog dead, double dead, double dog dead, triple dead, and finaly triple dog dead) We only needed him double dog dead at the most, and the SEALS caused a serious breach of etiquette by skipping tripple dead, and going straight for triple dog dead.

There are rules to this shiat. Like you can shoot a soldier with a 7.62 rifle round, but not a 120mm tank shell. Do you have any idea how bad that farks up your spirit in the afterlife?
 
2014-03-14 03:03:11 PM  

Mugato: m00: I'm pretty sure OBL could fill the world in what the CIA has been doing in the Middle East and I'm sure a lot of that would be news to Congress and the President.

Like I said, that would have been one hell of a podcast. Maybe they'd have given him a blog as well with a message board for responses.


Do you think he could have gone on Art Bell or Howard Stern?
 
2014-03-14 03:05:12 PM  

Ima10urin8: after being dead for 10 years, the decay decade must have been somehting


ftfy

/wait, wut?
 
2014-03-14 03:05:14 PM  

kling_klang_bed: And the real hero of the raid, who fired all those shots?



I'm glad they pumped him with enough lead to build a dozen anchors! I hope they Gahdafied him with their guns afterwards!


They pumped him so full of lead he could use his dick for a pencil!

/spatula city!
 
2014-03-14 03:08:20 PM  

Fano: m00: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.

Say... If those facts are so secret, how do YOU know about them?


Those "secrets" aren't very secret.
 
2014-03-14 03:08:43 PM  

neversubmit: Released in 2006, the book chronicles their work, and in it, they charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," writing that the commission became so frustrated with repeated misstatements by Pentagon and Federal Aviation Administration officials during the course of the investigation that it considered a separate investigation into possible obstruction of justice by these officials.

Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission

From the beginning, the 9/11 Commission found itself facing obstacles - the Bush administration blocked its existence for months, the first co-chairs resigned right away, the budget was limited, and a polarized Washington was suspicious of its every request. Yet despite these long odds, the Commission produced a bestselling report unanimously hailed for its objectivity, along with a set of recommendations that led to the most significant reform of America's national security agencies in decades. This is a riveting insider's account of Washington at its worst - and its best.


None of which in any way supports trutherism. Surprise, the Bushies were defensive and turf-minded after their massive security failure, and didn't want to be investigated. Duh. Give it up. There is no way under the laws of physics that the towers could have been taken down by anything other than truss failure and collapse after the planes hit them and set them on fire. There is no humanly possible way the Bushies could have conspired to allow the attacks to happen and keep it covered up, let alone be INVOLVED in the attacks. Every single "fact" in "Loose Change" has been shown to be mistaken, irrelevant, or just made up from whole cloth.
 
2014-03-14 03:15:34 PM  

serfdood: Were the bullets dipped in pigs blood?


A fatwa has been issued for you and your shenanigans.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 03:16:10 PM  
farkING AUTOPLAY! Gah!
 
2014-03-14 03:16:41 PM  

mbillips: There is no humanly possible way the Bushies could have conspired to allow the attacks to happen and keep it covered up, let alone be INVOLVED in the attacks


Truthers call us normals "naive" that we don't believe their brilliant rhetoric. I call them naive for having so much faith in our gov't ability to pull off something like this. We had Presidents get busted for burglarizing a hotel, "dating Marilyn Monroe, getting head from an intern and we couldn't even plant WMD in Iraq. Okay the "moon landing" I'll give you. But these people think our gov't  could pull something like this off or would even want to?

Assuming they wanted to destroy some shiat to get us fired up for war, they didn't have to nuke the entire WTC, the Pentagon and whatever the plane that went don't would have it. The Statue of Liberty or Cinderella's Castle would have done it. And since when do they need public opinion to go to war anyway?

So beyond the bullshiat science, the logic of it just doesn't work.
 
2014-03-14 03:16:55 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: You don't think "justice" was served? I certainly do.


When you hear the phrase "we need to bring him to justice," do you picture "assassination?"

I don't.
 
2014-03-14 03:18:03 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 379x214]


This.  Boo-farking-ho, HuffPo.  Kindly take your self-righteous moralistic outrage elsewhere.
 
2014-03-14 03:18:07 PM  
Add me to the "this is bullshiat" category.

Everybody wants to believe so badly that a group of our most highly trained and professional soldiers are horrible monsters that can't control their trigger finger.

They probably do some psychotic shiat on their own downtime, but not on a mission with this much publicity.

Let's not forget, that they where being watched via cameras and everything was being timed.

Anger wasn't what was going through their minds. Their minds were on the mission.
 
2014-03-14 03:19:02 PM  

Fano: kling_klang_bed: And the real hero of the raid, who fired all those shots?

I'm glad they pumped him with enough lead to build a dozen anchors! I hope they Gahdafied him with their guns afterwards!

They pumped him so full of lead he could use his dick for a pencil!

/spatula city!


Weird Al Yankovich - "Trigger Happy"

Got an AK-47, well you know it makes me feel alright
Got an Uzi by my pillow, helps me sleep a little better at night
There's no feeling any greter
Than to shoot first and ask questions later
Now I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

Well, you can't take my guns away, I got a constitutional right
Yeah, I gotta be ready if the Commies attack us tonight
I'll blow their brains out with my Smith and Wesson
That ought to teach them all a darn good lesson
Now I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh yeah, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh baby, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh I'm so)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away

Oh, I accidently shot daddy last night in the den
I mistook him in the dark for a drug-crazed Nazi again
Now why'd you have to get so mad?
It was just a lousy flesh wound, Dad
You know, I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

Oh, I still haven't figured out the safety on my rifle yet
Little Fluffy took a round, better take him to the vet
I filled that kitty cat so full of lead
We'll have to use him for a pencil instead
Well, I'm so trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh yeah, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh baby, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh I'm so)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away

Come on and grab your ammo
What have you got to lose?
We'll all get liquored up
And shoot at anything that moves

Got a brand new semi-automatic weapon with a laser sight
Oh, I'm prayin' somebody tries to break in here tonight
I always keep a Magnum in my trunk
You better ask yourself, do you feel lucky, punk?
Because I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh yeah, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh baby, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh I'm so)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away
 
2014-03-14 03:26:21 PM  
Story sounds BS.
 
2014-03-14 03:29:18 PM  

sendtodave: Cerebral Ballsy: You don't think "justice" was served? I certainly do.

When you hear the phrase "we need to bring him to justice," do you picture "assassination?"

I don't.


news.bbc.co.uk
 
2014-03-14 03:30:19 PM  

plcow: Everybody wants to believe so badly that a group of our most highly trained and professional soldiers are horrible monsters that can't control their trigger finger.


Actually, based on the comments here, people seem pretty desperate to not believe that.
 
2014-03-14 03:34:36 PM  

keepitcherry: PhiloeBedoe: He still won...

Came here to say the same farking thing.


Because I have to stand in a line 15 minutes longer and take off my shoes?

Nah...
 
2014-03-14 03:42:36 PM  

KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.

Photobucket it, we'll gladly save them and widely distro them =)


Be glad to, have to figure out how to do that, tho.
 
2014-03-14 03:46:38 PM  

mbillips: neversubmit: Released in 2006, the book chronicles their work, and in it, they charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," writing that the commission became so frustrated with repeated misstatements by Pentagon and Federal Aviation Administration officials during the course of the investigation that it considered a separate investigation into possible obstruction of justice by these officials.

Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission

From the beginning, the 9/11 Commission found itself facing obstacles - the Bush administration blocked its existence for months, the first co-chairs resigned right away, the budget was limited, and a polarized Washington was suspicious of its every request. Yet despite these long odds, the Commission produced a bestselling report unanimously hailed for its objectivity, along with a set of recommendations that led to the most significant reform of America's national security agencies in decades. This is a riveting insider's account of Washington at its worst - and its best.

None of which in any way supports trutherism. Surprise, the Bushies were defensive and turf-minded after their massive security failure, and didn't want to be investigated. Duh. Give it up. There is no way under the laws of physics that the towers could have been taken down by anything other than truss failure and collapse after the planes hit them and set them on fire. There is no humanly possible way the Bushies could have conspired to allow the attacks to happen and keep it covered up, let alone be INVOLVED in the attacks. Every single "fact" in "Loose Change" has been shown to be mistaken, irrelevant, or just made up from whole cloth.


I don't care about "trutherism" or "Loose Change" and your poor attempt at derailment is poor.
 
2014-03-14 03:47:01 PM  

KellyX: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.

Photobucket it, we'll gladly save them and widely distro them =)

https://www.google.com/search?q=osama+bin+laden+death+pictures&safe= of f&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pkojU-f0ApLo2gWLkIGo Dg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=896 (NSFW)

Hope it wasn't these fake ones


It is one of those.  Why do you think it's fake?
Why is it NSFW?
 
2014-03-14 03:49:15 PM  
mrwgifs.com
4.bp.blogspot.com
www.operatorchan.org
 
2014-03-14 03:49:34 PM  
Is it bad that I still kinda want to see the pictures?
 
2014-03-14 03:49:46 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Fano: m00: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.

Say... If those facts are so secret, how do YOU know about them?

Those "secrets" aren't very secret.


I see that Truthers both eat their cake and have it.

If these secrets aren't secret, there's no need to keep them.
 
2014-03-14 03:50:26 PM  
If it's true:
Unbecoming of the soldiers. Our best soldiers are trained better than that, and giving in to base urges overall shows a lack of discipline on their part. Given other allegations about special forces lately (folks going to the media, folks showboating, pissing on corpses, etc) this could be the case. Sure, we hate Bin Laden, but the fact is their job is to go in there, kill the guy, get the body, and leave before they risk getting anyone else killed. Not killing the guy, turning him into chop suey, wasting time and endangering lives.

If it's not true:
This is where I'm leaning. I'm going to assume this is more folks from special forces running their mouths. This has been happening a lot lately, enough that the pentagon has started looking into disciplinary action at the command level. I've seen photos from the scene afterwards, and that sort of mutilation isn't that easy to clean up, especially considering none of the photos had had blood splatter cleaned up. Hundreds of rounds would turn him into a dripping mess.
 
2014-03-14 03:51:59 PM  

MythDragon: The SEALs had no business shooting him that many times. Now he is triple dog dead, and that is as dead as someone can get. (It goes dead, dog dead, double dead, double dog dead, triple dead, and finaly triple dog dead) We only needed him double dog dead at the most, and the SEALS caused a serious breach of etiquette by skipping tripple dead, and going straight for triple dog dead.

There are rules to this shiat. Like you can shoot a soldier with a 7.62 rifle round, but not a 120mm tank shell. Do you have any idea how bad that farks up your spirit in the afterlife?


You're what, a GS-9?  If it's higher now I need to update my farky for you.  Anyway, you need to be at least a GS-14 to be qualified to critique wasting resources.  Until then you just don't have the budget to waste things
 
2014-03-14 03:57:44 PM  

Somacandra: I'll take "fark you, we don't reveal anything that compromises methods and sources" for $1000, Alex.


Other than leaking key details that exposed secrets to a movie producer before election day. Other than that.
 
2014-03-14 03:59:28 PM  
That article is a steaming pile of propaganda. I call Shenanigans on the whole thing.
 
2014-03-14 04:02:08 PM  

m00: Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.


Trials are not empty ritual. They serve a purpose: to determine who is guilty in the fairest possible manner. In most cases, they are necessary. In this case, OBL's guilt is a matter of public record. A good thing too, since there is no way that the impartial actors needed to put on a fair trial could ever have been found.

The whole business was unsavory, but the way it went down was far more honest than a show trial could possibly have been. I prefer that: let us have as few illusions as possible.
 
2014-03-14 04:11:07 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.


Yeah, not having a problem with this. At least we didn't stick a sword up his ass to kill him.
 
2014-03-14 04:16:09 PM  

sendtodave: Cerebral Ballsy: You don't think "justice" was served? I certainly do.

When you hear the phrase "we need to bring him to justice," do you picture "assassination?"

I don't.



images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-14 04:19:27 PM  
Seals with filthy souls?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 04:23:19 PM  

Mugato: I think the right has a dilemma here. Since Obama was involved, they could be outraged that he sent a bunch of violent psychos over there. Yet they have no leg to stand with that accusation. Might come off a tad hypocritical.

/don't think that Special Forces are recruited from the Boy Scouts


Its not a political issue. Wrong tab.
 
2014-03-14 04:23:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.

Personally, I don't care if it was 1 or 100 bullets.

The farker is dead either way and the world is a slightly better place for it.


While I can empathize, the waste of ammunition is collossal.
 
2014-03-14 04:28:10 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: MythDragon: The SEALs had no business shooting him that many times. Now he is triple dog dead, and that is as dead as someone can get. (It goes dead, dog dead, double dead, double dog dead, triple dead, and finaly triple dog dead) We only needed him double dog dead at the most, and the SEALS caused a serious breach of etiquette by skipping tripple dead, and going straight for triple dog dead.

There are rules to this shiat. Like you can shoot a soldier with a 7.62 rifle round, but not a 120mm tank shell. Do you have any idea how bad that farks up your spirit in the afterlife?

You're what, a GS-9?  If it's higher now I need to update my farky for you.  Anyway, you need to be at least a GS-14 to be qualified to critique wasting resources.  Until then you just don't have the budget to waste things


No, I just waste taxpayer money screwing around on fark ;)

GS-9/E6
 
2014-03-14 04:36:59 PM  
Seal = in control, intelligent motherfarker. If unloading 100's of rounds in his body doesn't further the mission, it doesn't happen. End of story. Unnamed source is bullshiat. Uncle Sams Misguided Children? That's a whole other story.

/Just kidding guys. We love you, we really do.
 
2014-03-14 04:38:29 PM  

Chris Ween: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.

People like you deserve to be victims.

You are odd.  And clearly angry about something.


He's angry that you're so stupid. Your dad is pissed about it too.
 
2014-03-14 04:38:58 PM  
Ammo is heavy. After losing a helicopter, they had to save weight for the trip back.
 
2014-03-14 04:39:06 PM  
Not surprised. I'm usually opposed to anything I perceive as an abuse of authority or power... but nah, not this time. Would've been nice to try him in a real court and then execute him, but since Dubs made trying terrorists in real courts impossible this was very likely the best way to go.
 
2014-03-14 04:39:31 PM  

Chris Ween: scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

The circuses that would've followed were not worth it.

Millions would be spent putting him on trial and all that shiat.

But pretgending it was anything but a kill order is silly. We all know the truth.



I don't think anyone has ever disputed that. Even before 9/11, Bin Laden was the most wanted fugitive in the world. Lots of countries had dead or alive bounties on him.

As for the amount of shots, put me in the "who gives a shiat" camp. The ammo was already paid for, and the military doesn't bring back weapons from deployment anyway because it's cheaper to just buy new stuff.
 
2014-03-14 04:51:30 PM  
And not a single fark was given
 
2014-03-14 04:58:21 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [www.goldenspatula.net image 322x228]


WTF is that place?
 
m00
2014-03-14 05:00:35 PM  

chasd00: He wasn't captured because if he were alive in US custody every single American in every single country becomes a kidnap target to be held for ransom in exchange for Osama's release. There would be hundreds, if not more, beheadings of American tourists and military showing up on youtube constantly.



Ah, so one day a prosecutor will charge you with a crime. But he gets to skip the trial. Because "someone might kidnap someone else and hold them ransom for your release."

You must be a blast on Fark cop threads.
 
m00
2014-03-14 05:08:25 PM  

Millennium: In this case, OBL's guilt is a matter of public record. A good thing too, since there is no way that the impartial actors needed to put on a fair trial could ever have been found.


Because the government says so? Look, I am 100% absolutely positively sure OBL is guilty and deserves the harshest penalty under the law. But I see a problem skipping a trial and going right to the execution because...

1) People might kidnap other people and hold them for ransom
2) Trials are a target for terrorists
3) We're really really really sure he's guilty
4) Trials are inconvenient because reasons
5) The court would just be a kangaroo court anyway, it's more honest to just assassinate someone.

Do you guys really want to give an executive branch of government in pursuit of a wanted man the ability to just unilaterally decide it doesn't need a trial? That doesn't sound like something a liberal should be for, and it certainly doesn't sound like something a small-government conservative or "strict constitutionalist" should be for.  (I have no idea which you are).
 
2014-03-14 05:20:09 PM  

ekdikeo4: scottydoesntknow: MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.

Personally, I don't care if it was 1 or 100 bullets.

The farker is dead either way and the world is a slightly better place for it.

While I can empathize, the waste of ammunition is collossal.


Nah, its all good. They saved enough for Dorner.
 
2014-03-14 05:26:20 PM  

m00: Ah, so one day a prosecutor will charge you with a crime. But he gets to skip the trial. Because "someone might kidnap someone else and hold them ransom for your release."

You must be a blast on Fark cop threads.


You know damn well this is a unique situation.
 
2014-03-14 05:30:25 PM  
www.jasperfforde.com

Only 100? we can do better then that
 
2014-03-14 05:30:48 PM  
We shot him in the face and dumped him into the ocean. That's the official story from day one. If it happened in 2006 and Bush told us to trust him on it,would we? Don't know why the current president gets a pass. At least he's not assassinating citizens without trial as well.
 
2014-03-14 05:33:07 PM  
Waste of good bullets. I assume these guys were better marksmen than NYC cops.
 
2014-03-14 05:36:05 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Don't know why the current president gets a pass


Gets a pass for what? You don't believe they really killed him? Then where's his new tape showing everyone he's alive and effectively destroying the Obama administration? Batteries on the camera must be dead.
 
2014-03-14 05:36:14 PM  

Champion of the Sun: We shot him in the face and dumped him into the ocean. That's the official story from day one. If it happened in 2006 and Bush told us to trust him on it,would we? Don't know why the current president gets a pass. At least he's not assassinating citizens without trial as well.


But it didn't happen in 2006. We could play what-ifs all day.

The simple fact that there has not been a single shred of evidence to disprove his death (recent photo/video/audio etc.) probably means the dude is dead.

If you were one of the most hated/feared men on the planet, and a country issues a newsflash that they killed you (when they didn't), wouldn't your first move be to put out some sort of release saying "Hey, I'm still alive!"
 
2014-03-14 05:39:55 PM  

scottydoesntknow: f you were one of the most hated/feared men on the planet, and a country issues a newsflash that they killed you (when they didn't), wouldn't your first move be to put out some sort of release saying "Hey, I'm still alive!"


Of course you would. And it would ruin Obama. He's not stupid enough to declare bin laden dead if he wasn't sure that he was.
 
2014-03-14 05:46:57 PM  
whofarkingcares.jpg
 
2014-03-14 05:50:23 PM  
I know Osama is dead,I just think the shot him in the face take our word for it thing is accepted so totally. There are more Newton school shooting theorists than Osama conspiracy theories. I think bush would've engendered more conspiracy theories had he been the one to kill bin Laden. And everyone there went down in a non combat helicopter accident.
 
2014-03-14 05:50:58 PM  

BenJammin: The biggest mistake the hero makes in the movie is thinking he killed the bad guy without really, really making sure.


The Obi-Wan rule
 
2014-03-14 05:53:29 PM  

m00: chasd00: He wasn't captured because if he were alive in US custody every single American in every single country becomes a kidnap target to be held for ransom in exchange for Osama's release. There would be hundreds, if not more, beheadings of American tourists and military showing up on youtube constantly.


Ah, so one day a prosecutor will charge you with a crime. But he gets to skip the trial. Because "someone might kidnap someone else and hold them ransom for your release."

You must be a blast on Fark cop threads.


I was wondering where all these justice was served without a trial types are on capital punishment after a trial. Judging by who is speaking and their political persuasion I can guess.

The outrage from some if you simply say it should not have been an assassination is interesting. It says something about them.

Think of all those we do bring back for trial. Escobar. Ron Jeremy. Every number 2 not killed by a missile.

I guess we should assassinate Snowden too. No need for a trial.

John Adams defended the British soldiers from the Boston Massacre. We have a long history of governing by law.
 
2014-03-14 05:53:59 PM  
They didn't want him to come back as a zombie.
 
2014-03-14 05:55:05 PM  

Fano: kling_klang_bed: And the real hero of the raid, who fired all those shots?

I'm glad they pumped him with enough lead to build a dozen anchors! I hope they Gahdafied him with their guns afterwards!

They pumped him so full of lead he could use his dick for a pencil!

/spatula city!


What do you mean?
img3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-14 05:55:15 PM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: They didn't want him to come back as a zombie.


Should have used silver bullets then
 
2014-03-14 05:56:45 PM  

Champion of the Sun: I think bush would've engendered more conspiracy theories had he been the one to kill bin Laden


It definitely would have been suspicious, especially because he said he didn't care about finding him.
 
m00
2014-03-14 05:57:01 PM  

Mugato: m00: Ah, so one day a prosecutor will charge you with a crime. But he gets to skip the trial. Because "someone might kidnap someone else and hold them ransom for your release."

You must be a blast on Fark cop threads.

You know damn well this is a unique situation.


Because government never ever takes a power that is intended to use for one super specific instance and starts using it everywhere because the American people gave it a pass.
 
2014-03-14 05:58:15 PM  
So much decorum here. The amount of American Jingoism in this thread is TOO DAMN HIGH!
 
2014-03-14 06:04:25 PM  
www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com

B-b-b-b-b-b-b-but the Republicans told me the actions of one small cave-dweller are unimportant, he's contained and powerless, and we shouldn't bother "smoking him out"?
 
2014-03-14 06:07:50 PM  
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-14 06:15:28 PM  
i.imgur.com
This pic of a young OBL was going around reddit the other day. He was probably pulling more top shelf poon than most of us will ever dream of.
 
2014-03-14 06:18:26 PM  

Johnny Bananapeel: [i.imgur.com image 800x517]
This pic of a young OBL was going around reddit the other day. He was probably pulling more top shelf poon than most of us will ever dream of.


Bathe her. For about 7 hours and bring her to me.
 
2014-03-14 06:25:48 PM  
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2014-03-14 06:27:01 PM  

Chris Ween: m00: chasd00: He wasn't captured because if he were alive in US custody every single American in every single country becomes a kidnap target to be held for ransom in exchange for Osama's release. There would be hundreds, if not more, beheadings of American tourists and military showing up on youtube constantly.


Ah, so one day a prosecutor will charge you with a crime. But he gets to skip the trial. Because "someone might kidnap someone else and hold them ransom for your release."

You must be a blast on Fark cop threads.

I was wondering where all these justice was served without a trial types are on capital punishment after a trial. Judging by who is speaking and their political persuasion I can guess.

The outrage from some if you simply say it should not have been an assassination is interesting. It says something about them.

Think of all those we do bring back for trial. Escobar. Ron Jeremy. Every number 2 not killed by a missile.

I guess we should assassinate Snowden too. No need for a trial.

John Adams defended the British soldiers from the Boston Massacre. We have a long history of governing by law.


A hedgehog was NOT also killed?
 
2014-03-14 06:27:55 PM  

Fano: A hedgehog was NOT also killed?


Of course not. The Hedgehog never gets buggered at all.
 
2014-03-14 06:30:35 PM  

Lsherm: I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that. They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place. When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?


Maybe they did it while they were waiting for extraction.
 
2014-03-14 06:35:26 PM  
Lsherm: I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that. They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place. When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?

almost seems unbelievable, huh?

/if that was your first inclination, you get a cookie
//you get a cookie for being right, not because you like cookies
///i like cookies
 
2014-03-14 06:47:37 PM  
Bullets don't come cheap, you macho, wasteful cretins.
 
2014-03-14 06:54:05 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Bullets don't come cheap, you macho, wasteful cretins.


You know who never wastes bullets? Jesse Ventura. Well except in Predator.
 
2014-03-14 06:57:55 PM  

Chris Ween: You know who never wastes bullets? Jesse Ventura. Well except in Predator.


He made the whole team waste bullets. Didn't hit a thing.
 
2014-03-14 07:07:12 PM  

MrBallou: I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.



More like "provoke some Muslim outrage" people.
 
2014-03-14 07:16:04 PM  
I really liked zero dark thirty far more than I expected to
 
2014-03-14 07:21:48 PM  

Baz744: Lsherm: I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that. They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place. When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?

Maybe they did it while they were waiting for extraction.


They weren't sitting around, they were gathering as much evidence as they could because they knew the Pakistani clean-up team was right behind them.  They were there for 38 minutes, start to finish.  I just can't seem them all saying "wait, let's spend five minutes each emptying a clip into this already dead guy because emotions and stuff."

That wasn't a team of Gomer Pyles just off the damn bus, these are people specifically brainwashed to follow orders to the letter, or, in the event of a catastrophe, figuring out the best way to achieve their objectives.  I think they'd be offended that people would think they would do this not because they give a shiat about being seen as gloating killers, but because it suggests they weren't doing their damn job properly.  And if there's one thing SEALs are proud of, it's their job.
 
2014-03-14 07:32:48 PM  
"Cool" tag unavailable?
 
2014-03-14 07:53:46 PM  

serfdood: Were the bullets dipped in pigs blood?


Oh that's so much work, if only somebody could manufacture some appropriate ammo for us...
freebeacon.com
 
2014-03-14 08:06:46 PM  

sendtodave: violentsalvation: Yeah right. "Boy's we've just invaded a sovereign nation and killed the most wanted man on the planet, we still have to get out of the country alive, let's waste all our ammo beating a dead horse."

Whatever you say HuffPo.

They  only carried a few hundred rounds?  And they didn't have 10 - 15 seconds to spare?

That makes even less sense.


How much do you think they carry?
 
2014-03-14 08:07:03 PM  

scottydoesntknow: TV's Vinnie: One of these days, around 2075, some woman is going to go through her late Father's old Army things in his attic and find a small jar of something in formaldehyde, with "Obama's Left Nut" written on the label.

???

/Now you're on a Secret Service list


I hate auto-spellcheckers. :(
 
2014-03-14 08:36:38 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: The truth nobody wants to hear is that Osama is alive and well and flying the missing jetliner


Na ah. He went back to the island.
 
2014-03-14 08:37:25 PM  

Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.


Troll alert
 
2014-03-14 08:38:37 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Superjew: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

No it wasn't.  Unless you think a guy can organize and carry out an attack that kills thousands of people then just say "time out guys, I'm not playing right now".

To be fair, he was at home base. Everyone is safe at home base.


Pakistan wasn't his home. But he's home now....rotting in hell.
 
2014-03-14 08:57:00 PM  
You got that right.
 
2014-03-14 09:01:02 PM  
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2014-03-14 09:09:22 PM  
ts2.mm.bing.net
 
2014-03-14 09:10:35 PM  

Johnny Bananapeel: [i.imgur.com image 800x517]
This pic of a young OBL was going around reddit the other day. He was probably pulling more top shelf poon than most of us will ever dream of.



a $50 million inheritence seems to have that effect.
 
2014-03-14 09:38:45 PM  

manimal2878: TV's Vinnie: One of these days, around 2075, some woman is going to go through her late Father's old Army things in his attic and find a small jar of something in formaldehyde, with "Obama's Left Nut" written on the label.

At least three of us should do that.

Also the fact that I was never in the military should really get the conspiracy theorists going.

"They had dudes who were never even officially in the military taking souvenirs of all three of Osama's testicles."


He said Obama, not Osama
 
2014-03-14 09:52:19 PM  

GoldDude: serfdood: Were the bullets dipped in pigs blood?

Oh that's so much work, if only somebody could manufacture some appropriate ammo for us...
[freebeacon.com image 485x340]


You don't actually have to have that.  It doesn't really do anything.  You just tell them that's what they are being shot with.  You just want them to fear it and believe it could happen to them and then the terrorists you have won

ftfm
 
2014-03-14 10:19:12 PM  
He's still dead.

Next.
 
2014-03-14 10:47:42 PM  

Johnny Bananapeel: [i.imgur.com image 800x517]
This pic of a young OBL was going around reddit the other day. He was probably pulling more top shelf poon than most of us will ever dream of.


Considering the way he's cupping his hand, I'm not so sure about that.
 
2014-03-14 11:12:59 PM  

johnny_vegas: Lsherm: I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that. They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place. When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?

almost seems unbelievable, huh?

/if that was your first inclination, you get a cookie
//you get a cookie for being right, not because you like cookies
///i like cookies


Yeah the story is complete bullshiat.  They were way too busy collecting intel and setting up defensive positions, remember they didn't know if a few hundred al Qaeda and the entire Pakistani army were going to show up before the spare chopper.

Plus each of the soldiers. Most likely had the military equivalent of a go-pro camera on their helmet and their gun recording what they saw and shot.

Now I will tell you this, on the helicopter ride back to the carrier that recording equipment would have been turned off and they had nothing but time, and very sharp knives.  So, if someone had taken a small keepsake or two to remember the occasion I would be less than surprised, especially if they had already been informed of the decision to dispose of the body.

So, if you find yourself in the Dam Creek Virginia NCO Club  and see what appears to be two really big raisins nailed to a plaque with an inscription reading "For the victims of 911,  ask the guy next to you about it.  If you get a knowing smile and a shrug, buy him a drink.

/maybe they are just raisins
//or maybe the plaque is somewhere else
///or maybe they aren't raisins
 
2014-03-15 12:02:23 AM  
He would have suffered a whole lot more, -before- going to hell;
as it is now, he gets to sleep for a thousand years before burning.

if they had arrested him and put him through trial aftrertrialaftertrialaftertrial, and then argue about the best way to execute, for yearasandyearsandyears, all the while playing "john Denver and the like 2-47 in his solitary cell, with only a Bible to read.
Then execute partially, send to hospital & revive, rinse repeat. Nine times.
Americans just come & go too quick to get anything out of their big encounters.
 
2014-03-15 12:12:11 AM  

JSTACAT: He would have suffered a whole lot more, -before- going to hell;
as it is now, he gets to sleep for a thousand years before burning.

if they had arrested him and put him through trial aftrertrialaftertrialaftertrial, and then argue about the best way to execute, for yearasandyearsandyears, all the while playing "john Denver and the like 2-47 in his solitary cell, with only a Bible to read.
Then execute partially, send to hospital & revive, rinse repeat. Nine times.
Americans just come & go too quick to get anything out of their big encounters.


He wasn't an American citizen, he wasn't within our borders, so he was an enemy combatant.  He didn't need nor deserve a trial.  He was still actively trying to harm Americans.  We don't have a trial for every enemy soldier we kill during a war.  The only real difference is that he tried to hide behind a lack of formal declaration of war by a nation-state he was a citizen of, but I'm willing to let that slide.
 
2014-03-15 01:38:46 AM  
That may be the case.  I think it could have been explained to us at the time though.  Still would have liked some DNA confirmation like was done with the Hussein brothers.
 
2014-03-15 01:44:45 AM  
LSHERM:


Killing him was the most merciful end for the dude.
Bringing him thru the court system would be like drawing and quartering,
over and over, for years.
I thought the idea was punish him?
He suffered less than if it was a heart attack...
Oh, Done by Democrats... i get it.
 
2014-03-15 02:09:17 AM  

MrBallou: I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.


If you assume 4 shooters on the entry team, that's less than a full mag each, so it's not completely implausible.   I agree with you that it does strain credibility that some of the best and most disciplined combat soldiers on the planet would suddenly lose their fire discipline. 

Now, if they chucked an m67 or two into the room before they went in, yeah, I could see that turning him into chunky salsa.
 
2014-03-15 02:20:32 AM  

Biledriver: Fano: kling_klang_bed: And the real hero of the raid, who fired all those shots?

I'm glad they pumped him with enough lead to build a dozen anchors! I hope they Gahdafied him with their guns afterwards!

They pumped him so full of lead he could use his dick for a pencil!

/spatula city!

What do you mean?
[img3.wikia.nocookie.net image 320x240]


You could say he had a plethora of bullets in him.


/came for the Stripes spatula scene, surprised it took so damn long.
 
2014-03-15 03:19:21 AM  

JSTACAT: LSHERM:


Killing him was the most merciful end for the dude.
Bringing him thru the court system would be like drawing and quartering,
over and over, for years.
I thought the idea was punish him?
He suffered less than if it was a heart attack...
Oh, Done by Democrats... i get it.


Republicans weren't clamoring for a trial - what are you going on about?
 
2014-03-15 03:50:17 AM  
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Johnny Bananapeel: [i.imgur.com image 800x517]
This pic of a young OBL was going around reddit the other day. He was probably pulling more top shelf poon than most of us will ever dream of.


When he was younger, not so much:
imgs.sthlmsfinest.com
 
2014-03-15 07:50:21 AM  
shermanave.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-15 08:59:11 AM  

JSTACAT: LSHERM:


Killing him was the most merciful end for the dude.
Bringing him thru the court system would be like drawing and quartering,
over and over, for years.
I thought the idea was punish him?
He suffered less than if it was a heart attack...
Oh, Done by Democrats... i get it.


You just admitted what everyone already knows. Republicans love torture. Yay!

And there isn't one Republican who ever expressed that he not be killed. Except after Obama had him killed.
 
2014-03-15 10:36:27 AM  
It's cute to see the derpers think they've found a way to turn the killing of OBL into bad news... for Obama.

Keep cheerleading for a dead Islamic terrorist, guys. It's going to win over a lot of Americans.
 
2014-03-15 10:46:44 AM  

Epic Fap Session: t's cute to see the derpers think they've found a way to turn the killing of OBL into bad news... for Obama


Yeah, I didn't think even they'd stoop this low. I thought they'd at least give Obama this one.

post 9/11.....Bush 90%+ approval rating
Obama has bin laden killed....."You monster! You could have just arrested him!"
 
2014-03-15 11:02:23 AM  

Mugato: Epic Fap Session: t's cute to see the derpers think they've found a way to turn the killing of OBL into bad news... for Obama

Yeah, I didn't think even they'd stoop this low. I thought they'd at least give Obama this one.

post 9/11.....Bush 90%+ approval rating
Obama has bin laden killed....."You monster! You could have just arrested him!"


just curious but can you point to more than a handful of people claiming what you think?
 
2014-03-15 11:07:12 AM  

johnny_vegas: ust curious but can you point to more than a handful of people claiming what you think?


That bin laden should have been arrested and not killed. Gee, let me access my database.............oh, this thread.
 
2014-03-15 02:43:13 PM  

Mugato: johnny_vegas: ust curious but can you point to more than a handful of people claiming what you think?

That bin laden should have been arrested and not killed. Gee, let me access my database.............oh, this thread.


in and amongst the spatula jokes and people saying the report is bullshiat you mean?  More than a handful? and of the handful how many are military haters vice president haters? i think not the hue and outcry you hope for but carry on in your bigotry and vitriol, i hope it makes you feel better at least.
 
2014-03-15 03:38:17 PM  

johnny_vegas: i think not the hue and outcry you hope for but carry on in your bigotry and vitriol,


Bigotry and vitriol....Christ, is always projection with you people? I'm not saying it's the majority but it's well beyond this one thread. It certainly doesn't compare to when the country actually came together after 9/11 when everyone including me had faith until they turned everything into shiat.
 
2014-03-15 03:51:48 PM  

Mugato: johnny_vegas: i think not the hue and outcry you hope for but carry on in your bigotry and vitriol,

Bigotry and vitriol....Christ, is always projection with you people? I'm not saying it's the majority but it's well beyond this one thread. It certainly doesn't compare to when the country actually came together after 9/11 when everyone including me had faith until they turned everything into shiat.


tvandfilmreview.com
 
2014-03-15 08:35:56 PM  

Epic Fap Session: Keep cheerleading for a dead Islamic terrorist, guys.


Who is doing this? Is it happening in this thread? Or are you confusing this thread with the voices in your head?
 
2014-03-15 10:50:05 PM  
These guys knew where he was the whole time, but did anyone think to ask?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mmyzsbIoOk
 
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