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2014-03-14 02:57:15 PM  

sendtodave: Mugato: sendtodave: People would have tried to kill him?

Well, then, it's better that we killed him.

You weren't paying attention to what I was saying.

You were worried about collateral damage.

I hold that our principles of justice over revenge are more important than anyone's lives.

Of course, I'm silly enough to think that others actually care for justice over revenge, too.


I'm confused. You don't think "justice" was served? I certainly do.

If bin Laden was permitted to live, there'd have been demands for his release and the possibility that he'd keep enough contact with people to execute orders from prison. That's not an option.

Like I said, war or trial, there's no need for both, it would be a waste and a farce.
 
2014-03-14 02:58:46 PM  
It's a good thing they didn't catch him in Cleveland.
 
2014-03-14 03:02:22 PM  
The SEALs had no business shooting him that many times. Now he is triple dog dead, and that is as dead as someone can get. (It goes dead, dog dead, double dead, double dog dead, triple dead, and finaly triple dog dead) We only needed him double dog dead at the most, and the SEALS caused a serious breach of etiquette by skipping tripple dead, and going straight for triple dog dead.

There are rules to this shiat. Like you can shoot a soldier with a 7.62 rifle round, but not a 120mm tank shell. Do you have any idea how bad that farks up your spirit in the afterlife?
 
2014-03-14 03:03:11 PM  

Mugato: m00: I'm pretty sure OBL could fill the world in what the CIA has been doing in the Middle East and I'm sure a lot of that would be news to Congress and the President.

Like I said, that would have been one hell of a podcast. Maybe they'd have given him a blog as well with a message board for responses.


Do you think he could have gone on Art Bell or Howard Stern?
 
2014-03-14 03:05:12 PM  

Ima10urin8: after being dead for 10 years, the decay decade must have been somehting


ftfy

/wait, wut?
 
2014-03-14 03:05:14 PM  

kling_klang_bed: And the real hero of the raid, who fired all those shots?



I'm glad they pumped him with enough lead to build a dozen anchors! I hope they Gahdafied him with their guns afterwards!


They pumped him so full of lead he could use his dick for a pencil!

/spatula city!
 
2014-03-14 03:08:20 PM  

Fano: m00: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.

Say... If those facts are so secret, how do YOU know about them?


Those "secrets" aren't very secret.
 
2014-03-14 03:08:43 PM  

neversubmit: Released in 2006, the book chronicles their work, and in it, they charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," writing that the commission became so frustrated with repeated misstatements by Pentagon and Federal Aviation Administration officials during the course of the investigation that it considered a separate investigation into possible obstruction of justice by these officials.

Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission

From the beginning, the 9/11 Commission found itself facing obstacles - the Bush administration blocked its existence for months, the first co-chairs resigned right away, the budget was limited, and a polarized Washington was suspicious of its every request. Yet despite these long odds, the Commission produced a bestselling report unanimously hailed for its objectivity, along with a set of recommendations that led to the most significant reform of America's national security agencies in decades. This is a riveting insider's account of Washington at its worst - and its best.


None of which in any way supports trutherism. Surprise, the Bushies were defensive and turf-minded after their massive security failure, and didn't want to be investigated. Duh. Give it up. There is no way under the laws of physics that the towers could have been taken down by anything other than truss failure and collapse after the planes hit them and set them on fire. There is no humanly possible way the Bushies could have conspired to allow the attacks to happen and keep it covered up, let alone be INVOLVED in the attacks. Every single "fact" in "Loose Change" has been shown to be mistaken, irrelevant, or just made up from whole cloth.
 
2014-03-14 03:15:34 PM  

serfdood: Were the bullets dipped in pigs blood?


A fatwa has been issued for you and your shenanigans.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 03:16:10 PM  
farkING AUTOPLAY! Gah!
 
2014-03-14 03:16:41 PM  

mbillips: There is no humanly possible way the Bushies could have conspired to allow the attacks to happen and keep it covered up, let alone be INVOLVED in the attacks


Truthers call us normals "naive" that we don't believe their brilliant rhetoric. I call them naive for having so much faith in our gov't ability to pull off something like this. We had Presidents get busted for burglarizing a hotel, "dating Marilyn Monroe, getting head from an intern and we couldn't even plant WMD in Iraq. Okay the "moon landing" I'll give you. But these people think our gov't  could pull something like this off or would even want to?

Assuming they wanted to destroy some shiat to get us fired up for war, they didn't have to nuke the entire WTC, the Pentagon and whatever the plane that went don't would have it. The Statue of Liberty or Cinderella's Castle would have done it. And since when do they need public opinion to go to war anyway?

So beyond the bullshiat science, the logic of it just doesn't work.
 
2014-03-14 03:16:55 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: You don't think "justice" was served? I certainly do.


When you hear the phrase "we need to bring him to justice," do you picture "assassination?"

I don't.
 
2014-03-14 03:18:03 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 379x214]


This.  Boo-farking-ho, HuffPo.  Kindly take your self-righteous moralistic outrage elsewhere.
 
2014-03-14 03:18:07 PM  
Add me to the "this is bullshiat" category.

Everybody wants to believe so badly that a group of our most highly trained and professional soldiers are horrible monsters that can't control their trigger finger.

They probably do some psychotic shiat on their own downtime, but not on a mission with this much publicity.

Let's not forget, that they where being watched via cameras and everything was being timed.

Anger wasn't what was going through their minds. Their minds were on the mission.
 
2014-03-14 03:19:02 PM  

Fano: kling_klang_bed: And the real hero of the raid, who fired all those shots?

I'm glad they pumped him with enough lead to build a dozen anchors! I hope they Gahdafied him with their guns afterwards!

They pumped him so full of lead he could use his dick for a pencil!

/spatula city!


Weird Al Yankovich - "Trigger Happy"

Got an AK-47, well you know it makes me feel alright
Got an Uzi by my pillow, helps me sleep a little better at night
There's no feeling any greter
Than to shoot first and ask questions later
Now I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

Well, you can't take my guns away, I got a constitutional right
Yeah, I gotta be ready if the Commies attack us tonight
I'll blow their brains out with my Smith and Wesson
That ought to teach them all a darn good lesson
Now I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh yeah, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh baby, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh I'm so)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away

Oh, I accidently shot daddy last night in the den
I mistook him in the dark for a drug-crazed Nazi again
Now why'd you have to get so mad?
It was just a lousy flesh wound, Dad
You know, I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

Oh, I still haven't figured out the safety on my rifle yet
Little Fluffy took a round, better take him to the vet
I filled that kitty cat so full of lead
We'll have to use him for a pencil instead
Well, I'm so trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh yeah, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh baby, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh I'm so)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away

Come on and grab your ammo
What have you got to lose?
We'll all get liquored up
And shoot at anything that moves

Got a brand new semi-automatic weapon with a laser sight
Oh, I'm prayin' somebody tries to break in here tonight
I always keep a Magnum in my trunk
You better ask yourself, do you feel lucky, punk?
Because I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

(Oh yeah, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh baby, I'm)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh I'm so)trigger, trigger happy
Yes I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have to blow you away
 
2014-03-14 03:26:21 PM  
Story sounds BS.
 
2014-03-14 03:29:18 PM  

sendtodave: Cerebral Ballsy: You don't think "justice" was served? I certainly do.

When you hear the phrase "we need to bring him to justice," do you picture "assassination?"

I don't.


news.bbc.co.uk
 
2014-03-14 03:30:19 PM  

plcow: Everybody wants to believe so badly that a group of our most highly trained and professional soldiers are horrible monsters that can't control their trigger finger.


Actually, based on the comments here, people seem pretty desperate to not believe that.
 
2014-03-14 03:34:36 PM  

keepitcherry: PhiloeBedoe: He still won...

Came here to say the same farking thing.


Because I have to stand in a line 15 minutes longer and take off my shoes?

Nah...
 
2014-03-14 03:42:36 PM  

KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.

Photobucket it, we'll gladly save them and widely distro them =)


Be glad to, have to figure out how to do that, tho.
 
2014-03-14 03:46:38 PM  

mbillips: neversubmit: Released in 2006, the book chronicles their work, and in it, they charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," writing that the commission became so frustrated with repeated misstatements by Pentagon and Federal Aviation Administration officials during the course of the investigation that it considered a separate investigation into possible obstruction of justice by these officials.

Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission

From the beginning, the 9/11 Commission found itself facing obstacles - the Bush administration blocked its existence for months, the first co-chairs resigned right away, the budget was limited, and a polarized Washington was suspicious of its every request. Yet despite these long odds, the Commission produced a bestselling report unanimously hailed for its objectivity, along with a set of recommendations that led to the most significant reform of America's national security agencies in decades. This is a riveting insider's account of Washington at its worst - and its best.

None of which in any way supports trutherism. Surprise, the Bushies were defensive and turf-minded after their massive security failure, and didn't want to be investigated. Duh. Give it up. There is no way under the laws of physics that the towers could have been taken down by anything other than truss failure and collapse after the planes hit them and set them on fire. There is no humanly possible way the Bushies could have conspired to allow the attacks to happen and keep it covered up, let alone be INVOLVED in the attacks. Every single "fact" in "Loose Change" has been shown to be mistaken, irrelevant, or just made up from whole cloth.


I don't care about "trutherism" or "Loose Change" and your poor attempt at derailment is poor.
 
2014-03-14 03:47:01 PM  

KellyX: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.

Photobucket it, we'll gladly save them and widely distro them =)

https://www.google.com/search?q=osama+bin+laden+death+pictures&safe= of f&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pkojU-f0ApLo2gWLkIGo Dg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=896 (NSFW)

Hope it wasn't these fake ones


It is one of those.  Why do you think it's fake?
Why is it NSFW?
 
2014-03-14 03:49:15 PM  
mrwgifs.com
4.bp.blogspot.com
www.operatorchan.org
 
2014-03-14 03:49:34 PM  
Is it bad that I still kinda want to see the pictures?
 
2014-03-14 03:49:46 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: Fano: m00: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.

Say... If those facts are so secret, how do YOU know about them?

Those "secrets" aren't very secret.


I see that Truthers both eat their cake and have it.

If these secrets aren't secret, there's no need to keep them.
 
2014-03-14 03:50:26 PM  
If it's true:
Unbecoming of the soldiers. Our best soldiers are trained better than that, and giving in to base urges overall shows a lack of discipline on their part. Given other allegations about special forces lately (folks going to the media, folks showboating, pissing on corpses, etc) this could be the case. Sure, we hate Bin Laden, but the fact is their job is to go in there, kill the guy, get the body, and leave before they risk getting anyone else killed. Not killing the guy, turning him into chop suey, wasting time and endangering lives.

If it's not true:
This is where I'm leaning. I'm going to assume this is more folks from special forces running their mouths. This has been happening a lot lately, enough that the pentagon has started looking into disciplinary action at the command level. I've seen photos from the scene afterwards, and that sort of mutilation isn't that easy to clean up, especially considering none of the photos had had blood splatter cleaned up. Hundreds of rounds would turn him into a dripping mess.
 
2014-03-14 03:51:59 PM  

MythDragon: The SEALs had no business shooting him that many times. Now he is triple dog dead, and that is as dead as someone can get. (It goes dead, dog dead, double dead, double dog dead, triple dead, and finaly triple dog dead) We only needed him double dog dead at the most, and the SEALS caused a serious breach of etiquette by skipping tripple dead, and going straight for triple dog dead.

There are rules to this shiat. Like you can shoot a soldier with a 7.62 rifle round, but not a 120mm tank shell. Do you have any idea how bad that farks up your spirit in the afterlife?


You're what, a GS-9?  If it's higher now I need to update my farky for you.  Anyway, you need to be at least a GS-14 to be qualified to critique wasting resources.  Until then you just don't have the budget to waste things
 
2014-03-14 03:57:44 PM  

Somacandra: I'll take "fark you, we don't reveal anything that compromises methods and sources" for $1000, Alex.


Other than leaking key details that exposed secrets to a movie producer before election day. Other than that.
 
2014-03-14 03:59:28 PM  
That article is a steaming pile of propaganda. I call Shenanigans on the whole thing.
 
2014-03-14 04:02:08 PM  

m00: Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.


Trials are not empty ritual. They serve a purpose: to determine who is guilty in the fairest possible manner. In most cases, they are necessary. In this case, OBL's guilt is a matter of public record. A good thing too, since there is no way that the impartial actors needed to put on a fair trial could ever have been found.

The whole business was unsavory, but the way it went down was far more honest than a show trial could possibly have been. I prefer that: let us have as few illusions as possible.
 
2014-03-14 04:11:07 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.


Yeah, not having a problem with this. At least we didn't stick a sword up his ass to kill him.
 
2014-03-14 04:16:09 PM  

sendtodave: Cerebral Ballsy: You don't think "justice" was served? I certainly do.

When you hear the phrase "we need to bring him to justice," do you picture "assassination?"

I don't.



images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-14 04:19:27 PM  
Seals with filthy souls?


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 04:23:19 PM  

Mugato: I think the right has a dilemma here. Since Obama was involved, they could be outraged that he sent a bunch of violent psychos over there. Yet they have no leg to stand with that accusation. Might come off a tad hypocritical.

/don't think that Special Forces are recruited from the Boy Scouts


Its not a political issue. Wrong tab.
 
2014-03-14 04:23:56 PM  

scottydoesntknow: MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.

Personally, I don't care if it was 1 or 100 bullets.

The farker is dead either way and the world is a slightly better place for it.


While I can empathize, the waste of ammunition is collossal.
 
2014-03-14 04:28:10 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: MythDragon: The SEALs had no business shooting him that many times. Now he is triple dog dead, and that is as dead as someone can get. (It goes dead, dog dead, double dead, double dog dead, triple dead, and finaly triple dog dead) We only needed him double dog dead at the most, and the SEALS caused a serious breach of etiquette by skipping tripple dead, and going straight for triple dog dead.

There are rules to this shiat. Like you can shoot a soldier with a 7.62 rifle round, but not a 120mm tank shell. Do you have any idea how bad that farks up your spirit in the afterlife?

You're what, a GS-9?  If it's higher now I need to update my farky for you.  Anyway, you need to be at least a GS-14 to be qualified to critique wasting resources.  Until then you just don't have the budget to waste things


No, I just waste taxpayer money screwing around on fark ;)

GS-9/E6
 
2014-03-14 04:36:59 PM  
Seal = in control, intelligent motherfarker. If unloading 100's of rounds in his body doesn't further the mission, it doesn't happen. End of story. Unnamed source is bullshiat. Uncle Sams Misguided Children? That's a whole other story.

/Just kidding guys. We love you, we really do.
 
2014-03-14 04:38:29 PM  

Chris Ween: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.

People like you deserve to be victims.

You are odd.  And clearly angry about something.


He's angry that you're so stupid. Your dad is pissed about it too.
 
2014-03-14 04:38:58 PM  
Ammo is heavy. After losing a helicopter, they had to save weight for the trip back.
 
2014-03-14 04:39:06 PM  
Not surprised. I'm usually opposed to anything I perceive as an abuse of authority or power... but nah, not this time. Would've been nice to try him in a real court and then execute him, but since Dubs made trying terrorists in real courts impossible this was very likely the best way to go.
 
2014-03-14 04:39:31 PM  

Chris Ween: scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

The circuses that would've followed were not worth it.

Millions would be spent putting him on trial and all that shiat.

But pretgending it was anything but a kill order is silly. We all know the truth.



I don't think anyone has ever disputed that. Even before 9/11, Bin Laden was the most wanted fugitive in the world. Lots of countries had dead or alive bounties on him.

As for the amount of shots, put me in the "who gives a shiat" camp. The ammo was already paid for, and the military doesn't bring back weapons from deployment anyway because it's cheaper to just buy new stuff.
 
2014-03-14 04:51:30 PM  
And not a single fark was given
 
2014-03-14 04:58:21 PM  

farkingismybusiness: [www.goldenspatula.net image 322x228]


WTF is that place?
 
m00
2014-03-14 05:00:35 PM  

chasd00: He wasn't captured because if he were alive in US custody every single American in every single country becomes a kidnap target to be held for ransom in exchange for Osama's release. There would be hundreds, if not more, beheadings of American tourists and military showing up on youtube constantly.



Ah, so one day a prosecutor will charge you with a crime. But he gets to skip the trial. Because "someone might kidnap someone else and hold them ransom for your release."

You must be a blast on Fark cop threads.
 
m00
2014-03-14 05:08:25 PM  

Millennium: In this case, OBL's guilt is a matter of public record. A good thing too, since there is no way that the impartial actors needed to put on a fair trial could ever have been found.


Because the government says so? Look, I am 100% absolutely positively sure OBL is guilty and deserves the harshest penalty under the law. But I see a problem skipping a trial and going right to the execution because...

1) People might kidnap other people and hold them for ransom
2) Trials are a target for terrorists
3) We're really really really sure he's guilty
4) Trials are inconvenient because reasons
5) The court would just be a kangaroo court anyway, it's more honest to just assassinate someone.

Do you guys really want to give an executive branch of government in pursuit of a wanted man the ability to just unilaterally decide it doesn't need a trial? That doesn't sound like something a liberal should be for, and it certainly doesn't sound like something a small-government conservative or "strict constitutionalist" should be for.  (I have no idea which you are).
 
2014-03-14 05:20:09 PM  

ekdikeo4: scottydoesntknow: MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.

Personally, I don't care if it was 1 or 100 bullets.

The farker is dead either way and the world is a slightly better place for it.

While I can empathize, the waste of ammunition is collossal.


Nah, its all good. They saved enough for Dorner.
 
2014-03-14 05:26:20 PM  

m00: Ah, so one day a prosecutor will charge you with a crime. But he gets to skip the trial. Because "someone might kidnap someone else and hold them ransom for your release."

You must be a blast on Fark cop threads.


You know damn well this is a unique situation.
 
2014-03-14 05:30:25 PM  
www.jasperfforde.com

Only 100? we can do better then that
 
2014-03-14 05:30:48 PM  
We shot him in the face and dumped him into the ocean. That's the official story from day one. If it happened in 2006 and Bush told us to trust him on it,would we? Don't know why the current president gets a pass. At least he's not assassinating citizens without trial as well.
 
2014-03-14 05:33:07 PM  
Waste of good bullets. I assume these guys were better marksmen than NYC cops.
 
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