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2014-03-14 02:21:27 PM
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It'll do wonders in the hands of a professional.
 
2014-03-14 02:22:01 PM

Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.


Um, how do you propose handling it without assassinating him? Carpet nuke the whole country? Capture and imprison him thereby ensuring 1,000 suicide bombers every day he's in captivity?
 
2014-03-14 02:22:04 PM
WTFDYW F*ck the pearl clutching cock suckers that is HuffPo.

I'm dubious about the insight of any Greek woman married to a rich dude 11 years & not figure out he was teh ghey.  As for the article, if they already lost a top-secret chopper on this mission with ISI en route I'd rather have the Seals go the swiss cheese route than have it compromised like another "Lone Survivor" clusterfark
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2014-03-14 02:22:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.


Death is all he was hoping for?

He lost his cyanide pill?
 
2014-03-14 02:22:55 PM

sendtodave: People would have tried to kill him?

Well, then, it's better that we killed him.


You weren't paying attention to what I was saying.
 
2014-03-14 02:24:45 PM

sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.

Death is all he was hoping for?

He lost his cyanide pill?


I'm not your personal wiki. You brought up Goering, not anyone else. This thread is about Bin Laden.

Go check out his bio if you really care.
 
2014-03-14 02:25:45 PM

Saners: Even weekend warriors wouldn't be that careless, let alone one of the most professionally trained teams in the world.


Probably-My-Imagination CSB:

I hang out, for totally unrelated reasons, with a group that includes a lot of high-level active military guys. There's one guy who is hard-edged squared-away and VERY closed-mouth about exactly what he does but from things he's said, he knows a lot about active clandestine operations.

He disappeared for a few weeks before the OBL affair and then reappeared right afterward. One of the other guys, also in Intel, greeted him with a quizzical look and said, "Oh, I heard you've been traveling...". He smiled a smug smile and said, "Yeah. It turned out to be very fruitful.". Nothing more was said, but it seemed clear he was referring to the raid.

I'm only guessing he was involved, but that's the way I would expect the kind of people that are on Seal Team Six to behave.
 
2014-03-14 02:26:37 PM

scottydoesntknow: MrBallou: scottydoesntknow: Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?

Not just some steam, but 10 years worth of steam built up searching for one of the most hated men on the planet.

I call shenanigans.

I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo and I don't think they had another opportunity to do it on the helicopter or on-board ship.

"According to unnamed sources" sounds more like BS bragging by people not even involved in the op.

Personally, I don't care if it was 1 or 100 bullets.

The farker is dead either way and the world is a slightly better place for it.


I'll believe he's dead when I see pictures.
 
2014-03-14 02:27:22 PM

WordsnCollision: Doctor Funkenstein: Trust me, when Obama farts a guy's face off, you don't want to see the aftermath.


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Of course the Kenyan usurper would use the traditional gun of his people and not a 'Murrican rifle.
 
2014-03-14 02:27:22 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.

People like you deserve to be victims.


You are odd.  And clearly angry about something.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:28:19 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: "Secretly"? I thought it was common knowledge that the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen from 1979-1989 (Operation Cyclone).


I don't think it's common knowledge. Every time it gets brought up both conservatives AND liberals get super pissy/offended that someone is telling LIES about how the US funded terrorist groups...  and the messenger is accused of being a conspiracy nut/terrorist/traitor/etc.

Like how the CIA trained and funded Saddam in in the 1950s, and later helped the Ba'athist revolution. Or how Clinton loaned Apaches to Turkey to commit genocide on Kurds living in northern Iraq.

But my point is Osama I'm sure has some knowledge of similar shady stuff the US has done, that our government doesn't want to get out. Because it's a "National Secret" which means it's horribly offensive and US citizens would disapprove if they knew about it. That's why he wasn't captured, he'd start talking about (example for illustrative purposes:) how the CIA practices torture techniques on homeless Americans that are disappeared off the streets of Washington DC and how he has actual evidence. Or whatever. But something awful.

/shrug
 
2014-03-14 02:29:15 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.


Photobucket it, we'll gladly save them and widely distro them =)
 
2014-03-14 02:29:19 PM

scottydoesntknow: sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.

Death is all he was hoping for?

He lost his cyanide pill?

I'm not your personal wiki. You brought up Goering, not anyone else. This thread is about Bin Laden.

Go check out his bio if you really care.


I didn't bring up Goering.  You brought up Goering.

Or someone else did, maybe.  Beats me.

I brought up how guns shoot really fast, and how our soldiers are dicks.
 
2014-03-14 02:29:30 PM
The truth nobody wants to hear is that Osama is alive and well and flying the missing jetliner
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:30:29 PM

Mugato: Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.


So just to be clear... your position is that we should execute prisoners without a trial because innocent people might die when vigilantes try and kill said prisoner.

Cuz we managed to try the Nazis. We gave Eichmann a trial. But bin Laden... that's bullet-to-the-head w/o a trial.
 
2014-03-14 02:30:53 PM

sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: sendtodave: scottydoesntknow: He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.

Death is all he was hoping for?

He lost his cyanide pill?

I'm not your personal wiki. You brought up Goering, not anyone else. This thread is about Bin Laden.

Go check out his bio if you really care.

I didn't bring up Goering.  You brought up Goering.

Or someone else did, maybe.  Beats me.

I brought up how guns shoot really fast, and how our soldiers are dicks.


Ahh, my apologies then. Thought you were the guy who said "Goering got a trial"
 
2014-03-14 02:31:47 PM

m00: But my point is Osama I'm sure has some knowledge of similar shady stuff the US has done, that our government doesn't want to get out. Because it's a "National Secret" which means it's horribly offensive and US citizens would disapprove if they knew about it. That's why he wasn't captured,


That is not why he wasn't captured.

First of all, we change allies and enemies all the time. That's nothing new.

Second, what do you think they would have given him a podcast or something?
 
2014-03-14 02:31:55 PM

KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.

Photobucket it, we'll gladly save them and widely distro them =)


https://www.google.com/search?q=osama+bin+laden+death+pictures&safe= of f&espv=210&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=pkojU-f0ApLo2gWLkIGo Dg&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1280&bih=896 (NSFW)

Hope it wasn't these fake ones
 
2014-03-14 02:32:13 PM
MrBallou you left out 'CSB'.  It's just like the richest people I've have known Never. Ever. Talk About It
 
2014-03-14 02:32:55 PM
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2014-03-14 02:33:16 PM

Mugato: sendtodave: People would have tried to kill him?

Well, then, it's better that we killed him.

You weren't paying attention to what I was saying.


You were worried about collateral damage.

I hold that our principles of justice over revenge are more important than anyone's lives.

Of course, I'm silly enough to think that others actually care for justice over revenge, too.
 
2014-03-14 02:33:53 PM
There are so many conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 that it's impossible to keep track of them all, much less sort through and make any real sense of them. Which ones have possible merit? Which ones sound plausible, but have in fact been effectively debunked?

From the patently false statement that "nobody imagined that terrorists would use planes as weapons," to suspicious insider trading in the weeks and days leading up to 9/11; from the inordinate number of military drills taking place on 9/11 (and a much-delayed response from the Air Force), to the unheeded warnings from multiple nations regarding suspiciously high levels of terrorist activity leading up to the event; from Bush family members in key positions in corporations responsible for providing security to the World Trade Center and Dulles Airport, to documented instances of the FBI failing to follow up on field agents' warnings-there are in fact so many suspicious circumstances, unexplained anomalies, misleading statements (official and otherwise), and outright fabrications surrounding 9/11 (the detailed chronicling of which is far beyond the scope of this work) that it is easy to understand why a veritable 9/11-Conspiracy-Theory cottage industry has developed over the last ten-plus years.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:34:48 PM

Mugato: That is not why he wasn't captured.

First of all, we change allies and enemies all the time. That's nothing new.

Second, what do you think they would have given him a podcast or something?



Okay, then you tell me. Why wasn't he captured?
 
2014-03-14 02:35:45 PM

m00: Mugato: Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.

So just to be clear... your position is that we should execute prisoners without a trial because innocent people might die when vigilantes try and kill said prisoner.

Cuz we managed to try the Nazis. We gave Eichmann a trial. But bin Laden... that's bullet-to-the-head w/o a trial.


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Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
And ignore the actual thread!
 
2014-03-14 02:36:26 PM
"...with a spatula."

Just came here to say, nice.
 
2014-03-14 02:36:37 PM

m00: We gave Eichmann a trial


That was in Israel. I don't know what the Israelis are like but I know what Americans are like. And the circumstances under which Eichmann was captured are complete apples and oranges.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:36:43 PM

scottydoesntknow: Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
Let's all talk about Nazis!
And ignore the actual thread!


It's totally relevant. It's a counter-argument to...

1) Some people are just SO BAD they don't deserve a trial
2) There is no precedent for charging someone with international crimes
3) Security would be too much of a hassle
 
2014-03-14 02:37:14 PM

FlyingJ: MrBallou you left out 'CSB'.  It's just like the richest people I've have known Never. Ever. Talk About It


MrBallou: Probably-My-Imagination CSB:


No I didn't.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:38:13 PM

Mugato: That was in Israel. I don't know what the Israelis are like but I know what Americans are like. And the circumstances under which Eichmann was captured are complete apples and oranges.


I can't seriously believe you want to live in a world where all a prosecutor has to do to skip the trial is proclaim "Oh, security would be too hard. Let's just kill him."
 
2014-03-14 02:39:41 PM

Mugato: Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country,


Nooope, nope, nope.  There likely wouldn't have been attempts on his life, from the public anyway, because (despite what is written on the 'nets) we are a bunch of cowed pussies.  We can't even bring a bunch of goat herders up from Gitmo to be tried because "OMFG, they're like super criminals or something".  Bringing bin Laden to justice would have simply made the US a target for an untold number of vest-wearing suicide bombers.

With regard to TFA, I doubt bin Laden was shot more than a half dozen times....a couple of pops to bring him down and a couple more as insurance.  Emptying full clips during an unfolding situation doesn't make sense.  Neither does a Seal team loosing control - one of the most highly trained and disciplined forces in the world.

/MHO
//Not a member of the core
 
2014-03-14 02:39:56 PM

Barry Lyndon's Annuity Cheque: Sounds like the sort of thing you'd do if you needed to fake an Osama killing. Mutilate the body beyond recognition, dump it in the sea at night. Nobody's any the wiser that he died in a cave years ago. Everybody gets to pat themselves on the back.

Have fun with that, conspiracy theorists.


ill see you that conspiracy
and raise you

......... get a face transplant and go back to working for the CIA as the "contractor"
 
2014-03-14 02:40:44 PM
Spiffy tag starting the weekend early?
 
2014-03-14 02:40:49 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: nekom: I honestly don't care if they played ping pong with his balls.

I do. Testicles tend to be off-round. They also don't bounce as well as the plastic ping pong balls. What you get is a ping pong "ball" that is impossibly unpredictable. Not what you want in a sanctioned event. Now if they used his nuts for one of those "who-can-toss-the-testicle-into-the-hat-from-across-the-room" contests, then I'd be fine with it.


Never thought of it that way, you're right.  That would set a terrible example.  We can't have kids thinking it's ok to play with anything other than regulation ping pong balls or we can kiss that medal goodbye for decades to come.
 
2014-03-14 02:40:49 PM

m00: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.


Say... If those facts are so secret, how do YOU know about them?
 
2014-03-14 02:40:58 PM
Who the hell scoops anything with a spatula? Does subby balance food on a butter knife before eating it?
 
2014-03-14 02:41:06 PM

James!: What you want is a ladle.


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2014-03-14 02:41:15 PM

violentsalvation: Yeah right. "Boy's we've just invaded a sovereign nation and killed the most wanted man on the planet, we still have to get out of the country alive, let's waste all our ammo beating a dead horse."

Whatever you say HuffPo.


That's why they crashed that one helicopter.  They were trying to aim it's gun in the door to get a few more shots on him.
 
2014-03-14 02:43:19 PM
Released in 2006, the book chronicles their work, and in it, they charge that the 9/11 Commission was "set up to fail," writing that the commission became so frustrated with repeated misstatements by Pentagon and Federal Aviation Administration officials during the course of the investigation that it considered a separate investigation into possible obstruction of justice by these officials.

Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission

From the beginning, the 9/11 Commission found itself facing obstacles - the Bush administration blocked its existence for months, the first co-chairs resigned right away, the budget was limited, and a polarized Washington was suspicious of its every request. Yet despite these long odds, the Commission produced a bestselling report unanimously hailed for its objectivity, along with a set of recommendations that led to the most significant reform of America's national security agencies in decades. This is a riveting insider's account of Washington at its worst - and its best.
 
2014-03-14 02:43:26 PM

Mugato: So they were blowing off some steam. Boys will be boys. Are we supposed to be outraged over this?


God I hate the phrase "boys will be boys". You know a female soldier would've done the same.


Can someone explain to me why 2 bullets that cause death followed by 100 bullets is "brutal"? What the hell does desecration of the body have to do with brutality? The guy's dead, he can't feel anything any more.
 
2014-03-14 02:44:56 PM
They had to soften him up so that the pig could eat him quickly.
 
2014-03-14 02:47:01 PM

serfdood: Were the bullets dipped in pigs blood?


Hey, why do your mags always smell like bacon?

Because you gotta defile the corpse to make sure they don't come back.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:47:16 PM

Fano: Say... If those facts are so secret, how do YOU know about them?


It's not a secret that we funded OBL. It's just something that people choose to conveniently ignore, because the media outrage-factory cares more about whether Santa is white or not.

What is a secret is the details of those transactions. For example, outside sources have speculated as to the amount of money / equipment we've given the mujadeen, but nobody really knows. We know the CIA "helped" Saddam Hussein obtain power, and we know the CIA has caused revolutions in countless countries. There are just a lot of missing details. I'm pretty sure OBL could fill the world in what the CIA has been doing in the Middle East and I'm sure a lot of that would be news to Congress and the President. Because apparently the CIA is above Congress and President. Which I don't know why this doesn't scare anyone. Oh wait, I do. WAR ON CHRISTMAS.
 
2014-03-14 02:48:19 PM
Well, at least they did the right thing because no planes have been hijacked since OBL's death?  Wait.  Wut? Malaysian Flight 370?  Never mind
 
2014-03-14 02:48:21 PM

Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.


Well, this is why we didn't send you.

War or trial. No need to bother with both.
 
2014-03-14 02:49:04 PM

sendtodave: Saners: Your not taking magazine sizes into account. I don't care to look into the details but I doubt they were using a belt fed weapon so you're looking at 30 bullets per mag

I'm guessing this is what they used:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK416

Feed system    20, 30-round STANAG magazine or 100-round Beta C-Mag

So, 30 or 100 in a round magazine.  I'd go with the 100, for an operation like this, but, eh, who knows?


If you empty a full magazine in one squeeze, you:

-waste a lot of bullets
-create a lot of noise
-the heat could potentially damage your rifle
-since this was in nighttime, you also blind yourself momentarily

...all of which puts you and your team at a disadvantage. My understanding is that this is why the US military typically has their assault rifles on semi-auto, and sometimes even remove the fully-automatic options, in which case it would take 30+ separate squeezes of the trigger to fire off 100 rounds.

And keep in mind the mission was carried out in a not-completely-friendly country without the knowledge of and cooperation from the Pakistani military, so they were also trying to get out before Pakistan can scramble their forces to intercept them.

I suppose there's no way to decisively prove what happened until everybody involved is retired or dead and we can unseal* the videos and the documents involved, but it seems like it would be extremely stupid of them if that's what they did.


*no pun intended
 
2014-03-14 02:49:21 PM
after being dead for 10 years, the decay must have been somehting
 
2014-03-14 02:51:00 PM

m00: I'm pretty sure OBL could fill the world in what the CIA has been doing in the Middle East and I'm sure a lot of that would be news to Congress and the President.


Like I said, that would have been one hell of a podcast. Maybe they'd have given him a blog as well with a message board for responses.
 
2014-03-14 02:53:40 PM
My take away from that report?

Someone is trying to sell a book.
 
2014-03-14 02:55:34 PM

m00: he capture


He wasn't captured because if he were alive in US custody every single American in every single country becomes a kidnap target to be held for ransom in exchange for Osama's release. There would be hundreds, if not more, beheadings of American tourists and military showing up on youtube constantly.
 
2014-03-14 02:56:56 PM
And the real hero of the raid, who fired all those shots?

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I'm glad they pumped him with enough lead to build a dozen anchors! I hope they Gahdafied him with their guns afterwards!
 
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