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(Huffington Post)   So why were pictures of Osama Bin Laden never released? They apparently had to scoop him into the body bag with a spatula   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 363
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2014-03-14 01:44:55 PM  
He was Obama bin Ladle when the Seals were done with him, right?

Chum? Chum? (crickets)

The Snark must have been a Boojum.
 
2014-03-14 01:45:17 PM  
Yeah right. "Boy's we've just invaded a sovereign nation and killed the most wanted man on the planet, we still have to get out of the country alive, let's waste all our ammo beating a dead horse."

Whatever you say HuffPo.
 
2014-03-14 01:46:41 PM  
It was a corpse at that point.  Savagery is sending planes into office buildings.
 
2014-03-14 01:48:36 PM  
In the video's the CIA released he kept getting younger so I guess it was a fetus when they aborted it.
 
2014-03-14 01:49:03 PM  

flynn80: scottydoesntknow: If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

IF...  The videos of him claiming responsibility were proven to be Fakes, to this day the FBI doesn't have any evidence linking him.  Bush and Cheney openly laugh and Joke about the thousands they are responsible for killing in Iraq.


WTF are you talking about? You're gonna need a big ole citation for that, and it can't be from a birther/truther site.

Do I need to flag you as a 9/11 truther now?
 
2014-03-14 01:49:14 PM  
"Un-named source" is usually the guy who didn't get picked to go on the mission, pestered the guys who did go on the mission until they told him some mildly believable story to make him go away, and now he's spewing that crap to anyone who will listen.  And didn't the team involved in the mission go down in a heli crash?  No one to refute his statements ...  until they are declassified, anyway.  In 10+ years.  That also doesn't sound like any of the former operators I know.  Something about taking absolutely nothing for granted would have prevented any of them from wasting ammunition like the story describes.  Waste naught, want naught.

friend is a former marine(Yes, I know, a marine is always a marine).  He saw things he can loosely describe, but anything concrete and he gets taken away in chains, should someone find out.  He has enough stories about Basic or R&R(usually involving Vegas) to keep everyone in stitches.  Those and the crap that goes on during the reunion-thingy the marines hold every year.

/he needs to only travel through Vegas going west, otherwise, skip the casinos
//whenever he gets a little too cocky, his father tells the story about how he really farked up his knee, which involves a certain set of stairs, not a clash with insurgents
 
2014-03-14 01:50:29 PM  

violentsalvation: Yeah right. "Boy's we've just invaded a sovereign nation and killed the most wanted man on the planet, we still have to get out of the country alive, let's waste all our ammo beating a dead horse."

Whatever you say HuffPo.


They  only carried a few hundred rounds?  And they didn't have 10 - 15 seconds to spare?

That makes even less sense.
 
2014-03-14 01:50:43 PM  

slayer199: Head shots are particularly gory...and I'm guessing they unloaded a lot of those hundred shots into his head...there was probably nothing left.


Given that it would make for confirming his identity a little difficult (which I'm fairly certain they were ordered to do) I'm not so sure.

"Does this little dangling piece of earlobe look like the one if the photo?"

"Close enough. Let's roll."
 
2014-03-14 01:53:08 PM  
And as for the argument that they are too disciplined to do such a thing, I've seen enough in the last fifteen years to make me serious question overall military discipline.
 
2014-03-14 01:53:24 PM  
It was probably like that scene in Dogma, with the Golgothan.

www.headinjurytheater.com

Jay: Smoke that motherfarker like it aint no thang!
 
2014-03-14 01:53:45 PM  
Disgusting, but sadly, not surprising. But the good news is, I can think of absolutely no way this will come back to bite us.
 
2014-03-14 01:53:49 PM  
serious
ly

seriously
 
2014-03-14 01:54:31 PM  

Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?


Put it in this context.  Do you want Marine snipers to have to strap flashing blue & red lights to their helmets?
 
2014-03-14 01:54:34 PM  
LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES.  WE'RE BEING LIED TO.  LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES LIES.
 
2014-03-14 01:55:48 PM  

Lsherm: But this is perhaps the most measured and polite description that one could give of how operator after operator took turns dumping magazines-worth of ammunition into Bin Laden's body, two confidential sources within the community have told us. When all was said and done, UBL had over a hundred bullets in him, by the most conservative estimate.

I cannot believe a team that was waiting for extraction after already crashing a helicopter would break discipline like that.  They were already pressed for time, the house was full of children, and they weren't supposed to be in Pakistan in the first place.  When were they supposed to play target practice with his body?


Yeah it sounds like nonsense.  The only thing I can think of is some sort of scenario where each SEAL present had to fire rounds into him so the "kill" was shared, or something bizarre like that.  Even so, it seems like a hell of a risk to take, in a foreign country we aren't even supposed to be in, with the possibility of armed men closing in and a wrecked helicopter outside.  Sounds ridiculous.
 
2014-03-14 01:55:55 PM  
You know who like to make up BS stories? SF operators. Those guys don't play by the rules. I'm 50-50 on whether to believe they mutilated bin Laden's corpse by wasting ammo on it (yeah, I could see it) and believing somebody just made this up for the lulz and posted it. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter, because I assume they have to account for rounds expended in their after action reports. It's not like there was a big firefight; there were like three individual shootouts inside the building, so most of the guys wouldn't have had any reason to fire a round.
 
2014-03-14 01:56:23 PM  
Footage of the shooting can be seen here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrmUpso_xT8
 
2014-03-14 01:57:41 PM  

toraque: True story: I once spanked a fat chick with a spatula.  They really are multipurpose tools.


That is oddly satisfying as well.
 
2014-03-14 01:57:47 PM  
I honestly don't care if they played ping pong with his balls.
 
2014-03-14 01:58:24 PM  

gopher321: I'm sure any other spec ops team like SAS, JTF2, whatever the Aussies have etc, would have done the same - I'm surprised they didn't shove a grenade up his ass and took a dump on his corpse afterwards.

Who.
the fark.
cares?


Personally? I hope the SEALS shait and pissed on his corpse first and buried him at sea with a Star of David emblem in his pocket, the Christian cross around his neck (with a chain so it would stay in place), and a caricature of Allah, drawn by an infidel, in his pocket. Screw him!
 
2014-03-14 01:58:51 PM  

flynn80: scottydoesntknow: If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

IF...  The videos of him claiming responsibility were proven to be Fakes, to this day the FBI doesn't have any evidence linking him.  Bush and Cheney openly laugh and Joke about the thousands they are responsible for killing in Iraq.


I love 9/11 truthers.You guys are so much fun.
 
2014-03-14 02:00:15 PM  

mbillips: You know who like to make up BS stories? SF operators. Those guys don't play by the rules. I'm 50-50 on whether to believe they mutilated bin Laden's corpse by wasting ammo on it (yeah, I could see it) and believing somebody just made this up for the lulz and posted it. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter, because I assume they have to account for rounds expended in their after action reports. It's not like there was a big firefight; there were like three individual shootouts inside the building, so most of the guys wouldn't have had any reason to fire a round.


Not to mention they knew there was a room full of White House people watching their actions through helmet cams.
 
2014-03-14 02:01:03 PM  

Carousel Beast: flynn80: scottydoesntknow: If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

IF...  The videos of him claiming responsibility were proven to be Fakes, to this day the FBI doesn't have any evidence linking him.  Bush and Cheney openly laugh and Joke about the thousands they are responsible for killing in Iraq.

I love 9/11 truthers.You guys are so much fun.


I'm still waiting on his citations. Glad I specified it can't come from a birther/truther site.
 
2014-03-14 02:01:17 PM  

Chris Ween: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.  That said, I'm not particularly worried if they had to use a wet vac to put him the body bag.


People like you deserve to be victims.
 
2014-03-14 02:02:18 PM  
Do people not realize how damaging these fabricated clickbait stories can be?

Someone can take this 'article' at face value, and post it on an extremist recruiting site, furthering the idea that US Troops are savages without restraint who violate every notion of civility.  If the photos weren't released because of their potential propaganda value when turned against the US (look what the US did to your brother UBL, avenge him!), this story fills the same farking void.
 
2014-03-14 02:02:41 PM  
Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.
 
2014-03-14 02:03:10 PM  

Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?


More to the point, the key question isn't whether he appeared to be unarmed (emphasis on "appeared", given the kinds of weapons terrorists are known for using in that region), but rather, whether he was actively surrendering.
 
2014-03-14 02:05:51 PM  
I really don't understand all the incredulity.

Was it possible to pulp his body in a matter of seconds?  The high rate of fire on modern weapons says yes, of course.

Can we trust our soldiers to be professional and not do that to one of the most most hated men on the planet?  Experience says no, of course not.  Heck, they strip and torture nobodies just for luls.
 
2014-03-14 02:06:08 PM  

nekom: I honestly don't care if they played ping pong with his balls.


I do. Testicles tend to be off-round. They also don't bounce as well as the plastic ping pong balls. What you get is a ping pong "ball" that is impossibly unpredictable. Not what you want in a sanctioned event. Now if they used his nuts for one of those "who-can-toss-the-testicle-into-the-hat-from-across-the-room" contests, then I'd be fine with it.
 
2014-03-14 02:07:10 PM  
 
2014-03-14 02:07:22 PM  

sendtodave: MrBallou: I have a hard time believing Seal Team 6 would take time during an operation to burn through mags of ammo

Assume:

Rate of fire of maybe 900 rounds per minute? (15 per second).

200 - 300 bullets fired, point blank, into the body.  Enough to pulp it.

That's total of only  13 to 20 seconds.

We aren't talking about wasting 20 minutes here.


Your not taking magazine sizes into account. I don't care to look into the details but I doubt they were using a belt fed weapon so you're looking at 30 bullets per mag. The whole team wouldn't stand in a line and unload into him like a firing line so with standard room clearing procedures you're looking at two, maybe three shooters top. So 90 bullets fired maximum, assuming the team had really shiatty discipline and trigger happy.

Not that it matters as they never would have unloaded rounds just for joy in such a small room; too much risk of hitting a bystander or getting hit by a ricochet. Even weekend warriors wouldn't be that careless, let alone one of the most professionally trained teams in the world.
 
2014-03-14 02:07:51 PM  

Old_Chief_Scott: James!: Well that's just a misuse of a cooking implement right there.  I hope they ran it through the dish washer a couple of times after.

That's not how it works.

The SEALs don't carry any sort of utensils at all. When they eat the hold the meat in their hands and rip it from the bone with their teeth. They probably sent the junior guy downstairs to the kitchen to find a spatula, used it, and then left it behind, because let's face it, a spatula is a pretty shiatty souvenir.


Quit telling lies.  You know damned well they carry a gob spoon.
 
2014-03-14 02:08:04 PM  
The entire story has never sounded believable.
 
m00
2014-03-14 02:09:04 PM  

shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?


Why not? Doesn't the CIA snatch people all the time? Hit him with a pile of beanbags from a shotgun, followed by a taser, put a bag over his head, carry him out. Seal Team 6 is CERTAINLY capable of this. Have a PUBLIC trial. That would have been far more impressive to me than a hit team.

But the problem is Bin Laden would reveal some secrets about how he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like. And he probably had receipts for hundreds of millions of dollars the US gave him, and he would have loved a public trial to explain how he was a monster of our creation, trained and funded by us.

THAT is why we didn't capture him.
 
2014-03-14 02:09:44 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.


Link for the Osama one then please =)
 
2014-03-14 02:11:18 PM  

KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)


It's on my hard drive.
 
2014-03-14 02:12:12 PM  
Made it easier for the fish to eat him
 
2014-03-14 02:12:28 PM  

KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)


I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.
 
2014-03-14 02:13:30 PM  

Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?


Is the LAPD in a war surrounded by people with loaded military weapons and in a country that doesn't even allow them to be there and doesn't recognize their legality to make the arrest in the first place? - THAT'S YOUR FARKING CONTEXT!

War and police actions work on two different sets of rules. In war you are in a hostile environment all around you. If you think we can go into wars "arresting" people - you are kidding yourself.
 
2014-03-14 02:13:34 PM  

poot_rootbeer: scottydoesntknow: To be fair, he was at home base. Everyone is safe at home base.

Nuh-uh, he forgot to say "Allah allah oxen free."


Well played!
 
2014-03-14 02:15:35 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.


I don't understand the aversion to showing and seeing dead people.
OBL's pic with 2 holes in his head should have been widely distributed, imo.
 
2014-03-14 02:15:52 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: KellyX: Inflatable Rhetoric: Photos were released.

I have one, and one of dead Gaddafi, also.

Link for the Osama one then please =)

I dl'ed them, then they were later removed from the site.


It was the Jews, wasn't it?  They took those damn pictures down.  Is there no limit to their mendacious evil?
 
2014-03-14 02:15:55 PM  

Saners: Your not taking magazine sizes into account. I don't care to look into the details but I doubt they were using a belt fed weapon so you're looking at 30 bullets per mag


I'm guessing this is what they used:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK416

Feed system    20, 30-round STANAG magazine or 100-round Beta C-Mag

So, 30 or 100 in a round magazine.  I'd go with the 100, for an operation like this, but, eh, who knows?
 
2014-03-14 02:16:01 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?

If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

You can't compare what happened to OBL to random suspects on the street and doing so is disingenuous at best.


Goring got a trial.
 
2014-03-14 02:16:21 PM  

m00: he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like


"Secretly"? I thought it was common knowledge that the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen from 1979-1989 (Operation Cyclone).
 
2014-03-14 02:18:00 PM  

mccallcl: scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?

If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

You can't compare what happened to OBL to random suspects on the street and doing so is disingenuous at best.

Goring got a trial.


He was not assassinated.  He was shot.
 
2014-03-14 02:18:01 PM  

Sin_City_Superhero: m00: he was secretly funded and trained by the Carter, Reagan, and Clinton administrations to fight first the Soviets, and then later cause instability in "belligerent nations" we didn't like

"Secretly"? I thought it was common knowledge that the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen from 1979-1989 (Operation Cyclone).


If it's not repeated on Fox News at least five times an hour, it's not common knowledge.
 
2014-03-14 02:19:08 PM  

m00: Have a PUBLIC trial.


Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.
 
2014-03-14 02:20:09 PM  

Mugato: m00: Have a PUBLIC trial.

Are you insane? Do you have any idea how many attempts on his life there'd be if people even knew he was in the country, let alone having a public trial? Because I don't but I'm guessing it'd be a lot. And while I obviously wouldn't care about his life, I can see innocent people getting hurt from stray gunfire, I can even imagine American suicide bombers. Fark that noise. They did the right thing.


People would have tried to kill him?

Well, then, it's better that we killed him.
 
2014-03-14 02:20:16 PM  

mccallcl: scottydoesntknow: Chris Ween: Sgt Otter: Chris Ween: shanteyman: It was an assassination and that is not what I believe in.

Then how would you have wanted the operation to go down ? " Gee Mr. Bin Laden, you'll have to come with us now " ?

Well, all previous reports were that he was unarmed.  I'd think a big fat American Seal could handle him.

He would have been unarmed if they dropped a cruise missile on him.  So?

Put it in this context.  If an LAPD cop sees a suspect, do you want him to shoot the guy or arrest him?

If the guy personally orchestrated (and claimed responsibility for) the killings of thousands of people all over the world, I really would not have a problem with it.

You can't compare what happened to OBL to random suspects on the street and doing so is disingenuous at best.

Goring got a trial.


He also willingly walked to allied lines and surrendered peacefully, after Hitler expelled him from the Reich and ordered his arrest. His choices were arrest by the Nazis and suffer painful torture and death, arrest by the Russians where he would suffer even more torture and then death, or arrest by the Americans where he would be tried as a War criminal and suffer death, but most likely not torture.
 
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