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(Huffington Post)   Gov. Walker suddenly calls for Special Session to push voter restrictions bill in Wisconsin the same week Rasmussen poll shows he is now tied with Dem challenger. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though. Nothing to see here   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 183
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2014-03-14 11:37:40 AM
Its been said before but if you are Republican and Rasmussen has you at a tie, you are screwed.
 
2014-03-14 12:03:36 PM
"If you can't win within the rules, then the rules must either be ignored or changed." --GOP strategy
 
2014-03-14 12:15:41 PM
I think Wisconsin needs an intervention.
 
2014-03-14 12:15:48 PM
The state Senate is currently considering legislation which would end weekend voting before statewide elections, restrict in-person absentee voting and allow lobbyists to make campaign donations during election years.

Christ.  What an asshole.
 
2014-03-14 12:16:43 PM
Well, at least he's sticking it to the libs.  Good choice, Wisconsin.
 
2014-03-14 12:17:52 PM
I'd love to hear how they can justify this. You'd think even Republican voters would get pissed off.
 
2014-03-14 12:19:24 PM
Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.
 
2014-03-14 12:20:21 PM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I think Wisconsin needs an intervention.


Wisconsin has had two interventions already, and they have opted to keep the GOP in power both times. For a state that reliably votes Democratic in Presidential elections, to say "Yeah, we're cool with what Walker and the GOP in the state legislature are doing" is absolutely mind-boggling.
 
2014-03-14 12:20:41 PM

Old enough to know better: I'd love to hear how they can justify this. You'd think even Republican voters would get pissed off.


Not here in WI. He is their messiah. He can do no wrong. I'm convinced he could biatch slap everyone one of them and piss on their children and they would say it was the best thing that ever happened.
 
2014-03-14 12:21:21 PM
fta Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) told reporters Tuesday that he considers voter identification laws the most "pressing" election-related issue in the state,

So in-person voter fraud is rampant in Wisconsin? Millions of Winconsinites busted committing in-person voter fraud? Your prisons must be very full.
 
2014-03-14 12:24:40 PM

Notabunny: fta Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) told reporters Tuesday that he considers voter identification laws the most "pressing" election-related issue in the state,

So in-person voter fraud is rampant in Wisconsin? Millions of Winconsinites busted committing in-person voter fraud? Your prisons must be very full.


That rampant voter fraud has not been detected in Wisconsin is the proof that additional restrictions to prevent voter fraud are needed: current law is so lax that all current voter fraud is going completely undetected.
 
2014-03-14 12:25:45 PM

Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.


You don't see a problem with passing voting laws specifically designed to garner an advantage for the politician/party trying to pass them?

Voter fraud is pretty much non-existent. There's absolutely no reason to pass laws like this except to keep people from voting.
 
2014-03-14 12:28:08 PM

Notabunny: fta Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R) told reporters Tuesday that he considers voter identification laws the most "pressing" election-related issue in the state,

So in-person voter fraud is rampant in Wisconsin? Millions of Winconsinites busted committing in-person voter fraud? Your prisons must be very full.


The bigger question is..... if voter fraud is so rapant, then how did Walker get elected?

Also, I love the term "election-related issue."  Seriously.  WTF does that even mean?
 
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2014-03-14 12:29:37 PM
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2014-03-14 12:30:43 PM

Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms?


It's not that. It's merely a violation of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the United States Constitution.
 
2014-03-14 12:32:20 PM
Re: The Republicans are complaining that there isn't "uniformity" in the voting hours across the state since some rural areas don't have the resources to keep the polls open as long as other areas.

"I am not comfortable with a standard that treats a community that has 50 people or 500 people the same as Milwaukee that has more than half a million people," state Sen. Lena Taylor (D) told MacIver.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

The probe focuses on alleged illegal coordination between a campaign or campaigns and conservative political groups including Wisconsin Club for Growth. Citing leaked documents, the Wall Street Journal has reported that it is focused on Gov. Scott Walker's recall campaign, more than two dozen conservative political groups and Senate recalls in 2011 and 2012.
I don't think Walker has the brains to cover his tracks well enough to dodge this. His dominoes are already falling like a house of cards around him.
 
2014-03-14 12:33:10 PM
Republicans ask, "What do you believe?" And that works for them. Democrats need to be much more pragmatic if they're going to win this year. Democrats need to ask one simple question: "What do you need?"

Do you need a livable wage? Vote for Democrats.
Do you need healthcare? Vote for Democrats.
Do you need clean water? Vote for Democrats.
Do you need a secure retirement? Vote for Democrats.
Do you need your civil rights protected? Vote for Democrats.
Do you need a well-funded education system? Vote for Democrats.
Do you need a safe and modern infrastructure? Vote for Democrats.

It works the other way, too

Do you need your reproductive rights eliminated? Vote for Republicans.
Do you need tax breaks for the wealthiest 1%? Vote for Republicans.
Do you need your civil rights reduced? Vote for Republicans.
Do you need science eliminated from your kid's school? Vote for Republicans.
Do you need your drinking water contaminated? Vote for Republicans.
Do you need your kids sent off to fight a war of choice? Vote for Republicans.
 
2014-03-14 12:34:08 PM

Old enough to know better: I'd love to hear how they can justify this. You'd think even Republican voters would get pissed off.


Their defense is, "well, the other side does deplorable things too, so it's just how politics is."

The other side doesn't, but they definitely want to believe that.
 
2014-03-14 12:35:39 PM

Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.


I dunno, I actually don't think the Voter ID issue is more of a molehill than a mountain. ID are practically required for living in our society for many reasons, and I think there is logic to the argument that people should have to prove who they are. Whether showing ID at the polling place is a good solution or not is debatable, but it least this can be seen as a reasonable conversation.

However, stuff like this is indefensible:

The state Senate is currently considering legislation which would end weekend voting before statewide elections, restrict in-person absentee voting.

It's hard to see how legislation such as that can be construed as anything but an attempt to decrease voter turnout. These attempts to limit voter turnout are blatantly anti-democratic.
 
2014-03-14 12:36:03 PM
The only instance of voter fraud in WI is what Walker most likely had committed on his behalf.
 
2014-03-14 12:36:15 PM

mrshowrules: Its been said before but if you are Republican and Rasmussen has you at a tie, you are screwed.


My understanding is that Rasmussen is fairly accurate in everything except national level general elections.  This lets them keep their right/wrong statistics looking reputable, while simultaneously allowing them to capitalize on their record for accuracy to try and push bad numbers when it really counts.
 
2014-03-14 12:36:56 PM

Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.


You can pretend Voter ID laws are not being passes strictly for political gain if you want. It can be fun to play pretend. It's a little harder to rationalize limiting weekend voting hours and absentee voting as anything other than political strategy to disenfranchise the opposition, though.
 
2014-03-14 12:37:09 PM

Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.


It's not just the voter ID that causes a problem, it's also how easy it is to obtain said ID, and how restrictive early/absentee voting has become. The way I currently vote, I go to the voting place and sign a book by my name to verify it's me. If they needed my ID, it wouldn't be a big deal, but I'm one of the "regular" voters (i.e. just go in on voting day, already registered, and vote).

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: I think Wisconsin needs an intervention.


Yes, yes we do. I still don't understand how Walker and Baldwin hold power at the same time, they are completely opposite.
 
2014-03-14 12:37:56 PM
In other news; GOP candidates are no longer capable of winning fair elections.

/wonders none of them are being investigated for treason...
 
2014-03-14 12:39:33 PM
The state Senate is currently considering legislation which would end weekend voting before statewide elections, restrict in-person absentee voting and allow lobbyists to make campaign donations during election years.

How the fark does ending weekend voting prevent "election fraud"? How does the GOP even defend it? Hey, we just want to make your voting hours shorter. Suck it!
 
2014-03-14 12:39:36 PM
manbart: ...and I think there is logic to the argument that people should have to prove who they are.

So you've never heard of voter registration?  Or you just like to disenfranchise voters?
 
2014-03-14 12:39:38 PM
I would like to see a Democratic campaign that actually lists the number of times Republicans have passed something that makes it harder for citizens to vote.
 
2014-03-14 12:39:40 PM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Voter fraud is pretty much non-existent. There's absolutely no reason to pass laws like this except to keep people from voting.


On the other hand, voter fraud is a darn convenient excuse to commit election fraud.
 
2014-03-14 12:39:41 PM

Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.


Unless the ID is 100% free and universal, voter ID is an unconstitutional poll tax. If they were actually concerned about honest elections, they'd look into the electoral fraud in Wisconsin, like illegally-tampered ballot bags and election data on personal laptops.
 
2014-03-14 12:40:05 PM

Emposter: mrshowrules: Its been said before but if you are Republican and Rasmussen has you at a tie, you are screwed.

My understanding is that Rasmussen is fairly accurate in everything except national level general elections.  This lets them keep their right/wrong statistics looking reputable, while simultaneously allowing them to capitalize on their record for accuracy to try and push bad numbers when it really counts.


Well you have to respect their attempts to look like they have integrity.
 
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2014-03-14 12:40:22 PM

Emposter: mrshowrules: Its been said before but if you are Republican and Rasmussen has you at a tie, you are screwed.

My understanding is that Rasmussen is fairly accurate in everything except national level general elections.  This lets them keep their right/wrong statistics looking reputable, while simultaneously allowing them to capitalize on their record for accuracy to try and push bad numbers when it really counts.



This.
Also, FiveThirtyEight is back in business on Monday.
Can't wait to hear Nate's take on all this.
 
2014-03-14 12:42:12 PM
The voting laws were good enough for his election and recall, but not for his re-election. Sounds like a sore-winner.
 
2014-03-14 12:43:38 PM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.

You don't see a problem with passing voting laws specifically designed to garner an advantage for the politician/party trying to pass them?

Voter fraud is pretty much non-existent. There's absolutely no reason to pass laws like this except to keep people from voting.


Republicans feel that it's worth 100 valid voters not being able to vote if one invalid voter can be prevented from doing so.
 
2014-03-14 12:47:34 PM

Bf+: Emposter: mrshowrules: Its been said before but if you are Republican and Rasmussen has you at a tie, you are screwed.

My understanding is that Rasmussen is fairly accurate in everything except national level general elections.  This lets them keep their right/wrong statistics looking reputable, while simultaneously allowing them to capitalize on their record for accuracy to try and push bad numbers when it really counts.


This.
Also, FiveThirtyEight is back in business on Monday.
Can't wait to hear Nate's take on all this.


I can't wait to see the reaction (cognitive dissonance) from the Right based on anything Nate says.
 
2014-03-14 12:47:37 PM

Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.


Yes, yes! and at the same time lets move DMV locations away from population centers, so those who use the bus have to go out of their way?
 
2014-03-14 12:48:46 PM

Notabunny: So in-person voter fraud is rampant in Wisconsin? Millions of Winconsinites busted committing in-person voter fraud? Your prisons must be very full.


Fun fact - there are more documented reports of UFO sightings in Wisconsin than there are documented reports of Voter Fraud.
 
2014-03-14 12:48:59 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.

You don't see a problem with passing voting laws specifically designed to garner an advantage for the politician/party trying to pass them?

Voter fraud is pretty much non-existent. There's absolutely no reason to pass laws like this except to keep people from voting.

Republicans feel that it's worth 100 valid voters not being able to vote if one invalid voter can be prevented from doing so.


I'm sure that's sarcasm because Republicans are hardly at all concerned with voter fraud. Requiring a valid ID suppresses Democratic votes, for some reason. And that's all the motivation they need.
 
2014-03-14 12:51:29 PM

Cletus C.: Tyrone Slothrop: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.

You don't see a problem with passing voting laws specifically designed to garner an advantage for the politician/party trying to pass them?

Voter fraud is pretty much non-existent. There's absolutely no reason to pass laws like this except to keep people from voting.

Republicans feel that it's worth 100 valid voters not being able to vote if one invalid voter can be prevented from doing so.

I'm sure that's sarcasm because Republicans are hardly at all concerned with voter fraud. Requiring a valid ID suppresses Democratic votes, for some reason. And that's all the motivation they need.


If they're hardly concerned about it, why do they keep trying to pass laws under the guise of preventing it?
 
2014-03-14 12:52:50 PM

Petey4335: Yes, yes! and at the same time lets move DMV locations away from population centers, so those who use the bus have to go out of their way?


That has also been proposed by the GOP.  As a 'cost saving measure' over the last few years they have proposed and closed DMV locations across the state... mostly in a Democratic areas.  Weird coincidence, huh?
 
2014-03-14 12:54:37 PM

SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Cletus C.: Tyrone Slothrop: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.

You don't see a problem with passing voting laws specifically designed to garner an advantage for the politician/party trying to pass them?

Voter fraud is pretty much non-existent. There's absolutely no reason to pass laws like this except to keep people from voting.

Republicans feel that it's worth 100 valid voters not being able to vote if one invalid voter can be prevented from doing so.

I'm sure that's sarcasm because Republicans are hardly at all concerned with voter fraud. Requiring a valid ID suppresses Democratic votes, for some reason. And that's all the motivation they need.

If they're hardly concerned about it, why do they keep trying to pass laws under the guise of preventing it?


Because if they say "a lot of Democrats are too stupid to figure out how to get an ID" they will be accused of being elitist and racist.
 
2014-03-14 12:55:14 PM

Cletus C.: Tyrone Slothrop: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.

You don't see a problem with passing voting laws specifically designed to garner an advantage for the politician/party trying to pass them?

Voter fraud is pretty much non-existent. There's absolutely no reason to pass laws like this except to keep people from voting.

Republicans feel that it's worth 100 valid voters not being able to vote if one invalid voter can be prevented from doing so.

I'm sure that's sarcasm because Republicans are hardly at all concerned with voter fraud. Requiring a valid ID suppresses Democratic votes, for some reason. And that's all the motivation they need.


Because a significant number of poor people and/or minorities, for whatever reason, lack valid ID. This is how things are, whether or not you think they should be that way. Maybe they don't have a car and thus see no need for a driver's license. Maybe they simply work too much (since many have to work multiple jobs just to afford a shiatty apartment, because wages are farked in this country) to spare the time required at the DMV.

Also, voter ID laws are almost invariably paired with actions that make it even harder for poor people, minorities, and other Democratic demographics to get ID or actually vote.
 
2014-03-14 12:57:14 PM
By Any Means Necessary.

Walker X
 
2014-03-14 12:57:42 PM
Anyone else notice that Scott Walker guy is a huge PoS?
 
2014-03-14 12:58:45 PM

LordJiro: Because a significant number of poor people and/or minorities, for whatever reason, lack valid ID.


Cletus has been here long enough to know the arguments from both sides.
 
2014-03-14 12:58:47 PM

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2014-03-14 12:59:50 PM

Cletus C.: Are we going to go 'round and 'round again about whether having a valid ID in order to vote is the most oppressive thing since the Russian pogroms? Yes, Walker sees political advantage but geesh.



We'll need to see your documentation before we can determine if your opinion is worth considering.
 
2014-03-14 01:00:06 PM
a wimpy media allowed these disenfranchisement laws to flourish. When this multi-pronged attack on voting rights was launched the media only ever focused on voter ID and never framed it as a coordinated effort to disenfranchise people with a variety of laws and rule changes.
 
2014-03-14 01:02:08 PM

OceanVortex: Petey4335: Yes, yes! and at the same time lets move DMV locations away from population centers, so those who use the bus have to go out of their way?

That has also been proposed by the GOP.  As a 'cost saving measure' over the last few years they have proposed and closed DMV locations across the state... mostly in a Democratic areas.  Weird coincidence, huh?


Not at all.  I watched the Waukesha DMV (mind you, it was falling apart and needed to be replaced) go from near downtown out by i94.  Lesse, what is around it now?  GE, WCTC and a waterpark.  Yep, great location, for those with car.

For those of you who think 'we found extra votes so our GOP candidate wins' Waukesha is solid red, near downtown is pretty blue and has a decent metro.
 
2014-03-14 01:02:16 PM

Soup4Bonnie: LordJiro: Because a significant number of poor people and/or minorities, for whatever reason, lack valid ID.

Cletus has been here long enough to know the arguments from both sides.


Yup. And yet he still continues to play the role of the stupid person.

Glad I have him on ignore.  It's not like he or anything he says is worth anything.
 
2014-03-14 01:02:32 PM

Soup4Bonnie: manbart: ...and I think there is logic to the argument that people should have to prove who they are.

So you've never heard of voter registration?  Or you just like to disenfranchise voters?


No, I do not want to disenfranchise voters; I was just stating that there can at least be an argument made for providing ID at some point. I do not necessarily agree with that, and I certainly do not agree with requiring ID check at the polls. The point of my post was that restricting weekend voting, turning in absentee ballots at the polling place etc. are far greater affronts to the democratic process; there is no valid reason to even suggest legislation like this is anything but an attempt to limit voter turnout.
 
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