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2014-03-14 12:32:21 PM

Gentoolive: What?

I've never tipped the coffee machine..


Ah, but when it runs out, do you make more?
 
2014-03-14 12:33:42 PM

Fear the Clam: AliceBToklasLives: Are they making a specialty drink, such as a latte, just a bit of foam, 180 degrees with just a touch of irish cream?  Yeah, I think a tip would be in order.

I wouldn't. I trust the cost of that extra effort is rolled into the price, which is part of why it costs so much more than just a poured coffee.

/I work at a university. Feel free to tip me 18% of the cost of your graduate degree.


I don't trust that the extra effort is rolled into the server's wage.  Which is probably used to pay for that graduate degree (or cost-of-living expenses during grad school; if you can't get a scholarship/assistantship for grad school, that's probably not the field for you, which is why I will tip you $0).
 
2014-03-14 12:34:39 PM

BioCritter: sendtodave: Here's a tip for any barista:  Get some real skills and get a real job.

Ok, whatever you say, cube drone.  At least we can network with a variety of people, multitask, and handle pressure.


Because anyone who has that mindset is a cube drone?  I guarantee you that I network with a wider variety of people than you do at the coffee shop.  I'm reasonably sure I can multitask better than anyone I've seen working at Starbucks, McDonalds, any bar I've ever ordered a drink in, or any other service industry.  And if you think that the morning rush is 'pressure', then you've no idea what to expect when you get in to the real world someday.

I'm fine with giving a much deserved tip to the waiter who has been serving me all night long and making sure my dining experience was fantastic - especially given that their wages are crap, and they probably have to split that tip with the chef, the busboys, the dishwashers, etc.  I'm fine tipping the bartender who recommended a new tequila to me, over-poured and undercharged.  But if you work behind a counter making minimum wage or higher and our interaction lasts less than 5 minutes, I call shenanigans on your tip jar.
 
2014-03-14 12:36:35 PM
 I think even Cathy managed to be funny once.   The Onion cartoon has a perfect 0% funny record.

Lots of people simply don't have a sense of humor. Sure, they think they do, everyone does. But some people are devoid of any and all sense of humor. It's sad.
 
2014-03-14 12:37:05 PM

bborchar: Tip Baristas for doing their one and only job of fixing the order I just placed...especially when the drinks are marked up about 400% in the first place?  No.  Might as well start tipping employees at McDonald's (who might actually need it more than higher paid baristas).


Just a side note: I would gladly pay more for food and drinks if:

1. We could get rid of tips altogether
-and-
2. Pay an actual living wage to the employees
 
2014-03-14 12:38:33 PM

Carn: Empty H: Egoy3k: lockers: [img.fark.net image 850x595]

The artist of that cartoon really needs to get some perspective.

In case you aren't aware, that is an Onion cartoon. It is satire.

Aren't cartoons supposed to be funny?  I think even Cathy managed to be funny once.  The Onion cartoon has a perfect 0% funny record.


Isn't that the point of a satiric cartoon?
 
2014-03-14 12:38:41 PM
"Man, working food service sucks.  I hate it, and I don't make any money.  How am I supposed to pay for my student loans?!"

"Well, what did you go to school for?"

"I want to be an artist, man!"

"That doesn't often make very much money..."

"It's not all about the money, man!  People should do what they love!"

"Well, uh, OK then."

"Man, working food service sucks. I hate it, and I don't make any money.   How am I supposed to pay for my student loans?!"

...
 
2014-03-14 12:39:10 PM
I think people are over thinking this. You dont have to tip the person who serves you coffee no matter what the article says.  You either tip or you dont tip.  I really dont see why this has to be an argument.
 
2014-03-14 12:46:55 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: Egoy3k: lockers: [img.fark.net image 850x595]

The artist of that cartoon really needs to get some perspective.

It's from The Onion.  I thought Farkers knew this kind of stuff.


This just in: The Onion while I am sure it is a wonderful publication is not read by every person on the planet.
 
2014-03-14 12:51:59 PM

Gunny Highway:  I really dont see why this has to be an argument.


Because you walked into room 12A.  Room 12 was abuse.
 
2014-03-14 12:56:44 PM

bborchar: Carn: Empty H: Egoy3k: lockers: [img.fark.net image 850x595]

The artist of that cartoon really needs to get some perspective.

In case you aren't aware, that is an Onion cartoon. It is satire.

Aren't cartoons supposed to be funny?  I think even Cathy managed to be funny once.  The Onion cartoon has a perfect 0% funny record.

Isn't that the point of a satiric cartoon?


Huh, well I dunno.  If so, he's doing a bang up job.
 
2014-03-14 12:57:03 PM

BioCritter: sendtodave: Here's a tip for any barista:  Get some real skills and get a real job.

Ok, whatever you say, cube drone.  At least we can network with a variety of people, multitask, and handle pressure.


If you are happy in your low paying job then don't complain about it being a low paying job and expect other people to give you their money for doing nothing other than your job.
 
2014-03-14 01:07:13 PM

BioCritter: As a former barista, I gave better service to people who were 1) regular customers, and 2) tipped regularly.  If those people stayed around until the end of the night working on their projects, they got a LOT of freebies - tea coolers, pastries, anything we were going to throw out anyway.


Look at you! You gave someone something you considered trash! Not only that, but someone else's trash!

You, truly, are a great humanitarian.
 
2014-03-14 01:08:47 PM

ArcadianRefugee: BioCritter: As a former barista, I gave better service to people who were 1) regular customers, and 2) tipped regularly.  If those people stayed around until the end of the night working on their projects, they got a LOT of freebies - tea coolers, pastries, anything we were going to throw out anyway.

Look at you! You gave someone something you considered trash! Not only that, but someone else's trash!

You, truly, are a great humanitarian.


Ugh.
 
2014-03-14 01:13:20 PM
Tipping is done when the barista goes beyond what they are already paid to do. That never happens. I'm not giving out extra money for getting me the same coffee everyone else gets.
 
2014-03-14 01:17:55 PM

Surool: Tipping is done when the barista goes beyond what they are already paid to do. That never happens. I'm not giving out extra money for getting me the same coffee everyone else gets.


I feel the same way about poor people.  Why do they deserve my money?

Is that single mother going above and beyond by having six kids?  Not really!  Making kids is her regular "job!"  Why should we pay her for that?
 
2014-03-14 01:21:19 PM

sendtodave: Surool: Tipping is done when the barista goes beyond what they are already paid to do. That never happens. I'm not giving out extra money for getting me the same coffee everyone else gets.

I feel the same way about poor people.  Why do they deserve my money?

Is that single mother going above and beyond by having six kids?  Not really!  Making kids is her regular "job!"  Why should we pay her for that?


Well at least me taking an Onion cartoon as serious isn't the dumbest post in this thread.
 
2014-03-14 01:27:09 PM

ArcadianRefugee: if your order sounds something like "Iced Half-caf Double Tall Non-fat No-whip Mocha" or "Triple Grande Two-pump Upside-down Caramel Macchiato" --


Then I will stab that person for being a pretentious self-absorbed douchebag they clearly are.
 
2014-03-14 01:32:16 PM

serfdood: ArcadianRefugee: if your order sounds something like "Iced Half-caf Double Tall Non-fat No-whip Mocha" or "Triple Grande Two-pump Upside-down Caramel Macchiato" --

Then I will stab that person for being a pretentious self-absorbed douchebag they clearly are.


Ugh.
 
2014-03-14 01:34:12 PM

BioCritter: sendtodave: Here's a tip for any barista:  Get some real skills and get a real job.

Ok, whatever you say, cube drone.  At least we can network with a variety of people, multitask, and handle pressure.


GOOD then you need a tip.
 
2014-03-14 01:35:37 PM
I rarely go t to starbucks or other coffee places but when I do, I don't tip. They're getting paid so Fark them.
 
2014-03-14 01:36:35 PM
I tip everyone for everything, I feel it is my duty to keep struggling businesses like Subway and Starbucks from having to pay the staff more and possibly go out of business.
 
2014-03-14 01:39:16 PM

Egoy3k: sendtodave: Surool: Tipping is done when the barista goes beyond what they are already paid to do. That never happens. I'm not giving out extra money for getting me the same coffee everyone else gets.

I feel the same way about poor people.  Why do they deserve my money?

Is that single mother going above and beyond by having six kids?  Not really!  Making kids is her regular "job!"  Why should we pay her for that?

Well at least me taking an Onion cartoon as serious isn't the dumbest post in this thread.


Yet you still don't understand over-the-top satire...
 
2014-03-14 01:43:42 PM

FilmBELOH20: I'm reasonably sure I can multitask


You mean you are reasonably sure you can do a multitude of jobs to a barely acceptable standard, because really that is all multi-taskers ever manage to achieve. Oh hey how is that ADHD working out for you?
 
2014-03-14 01:44:32 PM

doubled99: I think even Cathy managed to be funny once.   The Onion cartoon has a perfect 0% funny record.

Lots of people simply don't have a sense of humor. Sure, they think they do, everyone does. But some people are devoid of any and all sense of humor. It's sad.


You still read The Onion? shiat I thought they stopped publishing six or seven years ago. They were never funny.
 
2014-03-14 01:53:06 PM
For the upthread networker,  BioCritter

Handing 40 different people a cup of coffee and their change every hour is not networking.  Also, making change and pouring coffee during the same transaction is not "multi-tasking".  You might also note that "handling pressure" in the real world does not mean that you know how to regulate the steam frothier.

Just sayin
 
2014-03-14 01:58:11 PM
Confidential to the coffee shop in my town:

You're a good coffee shop, and I don't mind tossing whatever loose change I have left over from my regular-cup-of-coffee order into your tip jar.

But when the coins I drop in it bounce off solid bricks of paper currency, wrapped around one another like you took a bank bundle of 100 $1 bills, removed the paper band, and jammed the whole thing into the mug at the start of the shift,  you are not fooling anyone. Especially because when you hear the jingle of my coins going in, you spin around and look directly at the mug, because you know that's way too much money to have lying around where kids could steal it.

Stop it, or I'll steal it myself, and I'm way smarter and more accomplished at petty theft than your average high school kid.
 
2014-03-14 01:58:11 PM
If they want a tip they can get a job as wait staff at a sit-down restaurant.
 
2014-03-14 02:02:45 PM

semiotix: Confidential to the coffee shop in my town:

You're a good coffee shop, and I don't mind tossing whatever loose change I have left over from my regular-cup-of-coffee order into your tip jar.

But when the coins I drop in it bounce off solid bricks of paper currency, wrapped around one another like you took a bank bundle of 100 $1 bills, removed the paper band, and jammed the whole thing into the mug at the start of the shift,  you are not fooling anyone. Especially because when you hear the jingle of my coins going in, you spin around and look directly at the mug, because you know that's way too much money to have lying around where kids could steal it.

Stop it, or I'll steal it myself, and I'm way smarter and more accomplished at petty theft than your average high school kid.


I assume when they are full cash that they are doing fine, and don't need any of my change.
 
2014-03-14 02:03:30 PM

sendtodave: Surool: Tipping is done when the barista goes beyond what they are already paid to do. That never happens. I'm not giving out extra money for getting me the same coffee everyone else gets.

I feel the same way about poor people.  Why do they deserve my money?

Is that single mother going above and beyond by having six kids?  Not really!  Making kids is her regular "job!"  Why should we pay her for that?


I donate money to homeless shelters and food banks. Giving an extra 50 cents for my coffee isn't nearly as effective or charitable. None of my baristas are impoverished single moms. (I actually talk to them, do you?)
 
2014-03-14 02:06:04 PM

sendtodave: semiotix: Confidential to the coffee shop in my town:

You're a good coffee shop, and I don't mind tossing whatever loose change I have left over from my regular-cup-of-coffee order into your tip jar.

But when the coins I drop in it bounce off solid bricks of paper currency, wrapped around one another like you took a bank bundle of 100 $1 bills, removed the paper band, and jammed the whole thing into the mug at the start of the shift,  you are not fooling anyone. Especially because when you hear the jingle of my coins going in, you spin around and look directly at the mug, because you know that's way too much money to have lying around where kids could steal it.

Stop it, or I'll steal it myself, and I'm way smarter and more accomplished at petty theft than your average high school kid.

I assume when they are full cash that they are doing fine, and don't need any of my change.


So don't tip.  The people behind the counter don't hate you because you decide not to tip.  They probably even understand why you don't, even if they wish you did.

Christ.
 
2014-03-14 02:06:50 PM
...Oh, and bonus: people in here are making arguments for raising the minimum wage, not for tipping. I believe that the minimum wage should be raised to customers don't need to be brow beaten to make up for the sh*tty employers who think they don't need to pay their staff.
 
2014-03-14 02:18:21 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-14 02:31:11 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Are they pouring coffee (or providing a cup I use to pour coffee)?  Probably no need to tip.

Are they making a specialty drink, such as a latte, just a bit of foam, 180 degrees with just a touch of irish cream?  Yeah, I think a tip would be in order.


itstheirjob,jpg
 
2014-03-14 02:36:06 PM

MemeSlave: AliceBToklasLives: Are they pouring coffee (or providing a cup I use to pour coffee)?  Probably no need to tip.

Are they making a specialty drink, such as a latte, just a bit of foam, 180 degrees with just a touch of irish cream?  Yeah, I think a tip would be in order.

itstheirjob,jpg


Why do you tip bartenders?
 
2014-03-14 02:46:43 PM

Carn: The Onion cartoon has a perfect 0% funny record.


It's funny from the right perspective: it is a parody of editorial cartoons. Which tend to run liberal, so they flip it and make it conservative. They play up all of the heavy-handed tropes that a bad editorial cartoonist uses (i.e. most of them). It's devastating, in a "this is the way they actually think" kind of way.

That said, it's fundamentally a one-joke strip, so once you've gotten the joke, you're done. And it's a tricky joke to pull off, since attributing negative properties to your opponents is rarely funny. The idea has worked, on occasion, which is damned impressive. But I wouldn't fault anybody for figuring that it isn't worth the trouble.

It was far more effective when The Onion jabbed at Bush by presenting him as ridiculously erudite:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/bush-regales-dinner-guests-with-imp ro mptu-oratory,1355/

Still kind of kludgy, of course, since there's really only one joke there, but it's a good joke. If the rest of it just expands on the joke to make it newspaper-length, it's part of the overall satiric concept of making The Onion look like a newspaper. They can hardly expect to fill every column inch with novel material. Even they aren't that good, and they are far and away the best news satirists working today. (Every other news parody site I've ever seen just plain unambiguously sucks, consistently and reliably.)
 
2014-03-14 02:51:32 PM

Gunny Highway: MemeSlave: AliceBToklasLives: Are they pouring coffee (or providing a cup I use to pour coffee)?  Probably no need to tip.

Are they making a specialty drink, such as a latte, just a bit of foam, 180 degrees with just a touch of irish cream?  Yeah, I think a tip would be in order.

itstheirjob,jpg

Why do you tip bartenders?


Did the bartender simply pop the top off a beer and hand me the bottle? Or did the bartender properly mix a drink for me?
 
2014-03-14 02:52:51 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Gunny Highway: MemeSlave: AliceBToklasLives: Are they pouring coffee (or providing a cup I use to pour coffee)?  Probably no need to tip.

Are they making a specialty drink, such as a latte, just a bit of foam, 180 degrees with just a touch of irish cream?  Yeah, I think a tip would be in order.

itstheirjob,jpg

Why do you tip bartenders?

Did the bartender simply pop the top off a beer and hand me the bottle? Or did the bartender properly mix a drink for me?


You dont tip a dollar a drink?
 
2014-03-14 03:41:23 PM
Why do you tip bartenders?

1.  Because at a bar there is not an organized line, like at a starbucks or Drunken Donuts and if you tip well you usually get better service for the duration of your stay.

2.  Because her shirt is missing an extra button or two and she spraypainted on those pants.

3.  If you are getting multiple rounds, complex drinks or even a particularly well mixed drink.

4.  Bartenders are great sources for information, tips and access.

But mostly number 2
 
2014-03-14 03:43:59 PM

friendinpa: Why do you tip bartenders?

1.  Because at a bar there is not an organized line, like at a starbucks or Drunken Donuts and if you tip well you usually get better service for the duration of your stay.

2.  Because her shirt is missing an extra button or two and she spraypainted on those pants.

3.  If you are getting multiple rounds, complex drinks or even a particularly well mixed drink.

4.  Bartenders are great sources for information, tips and access.

But mostly number 2


5. I dunno, that is just the way things are.

6. I get a "free" drink for every three I buy.
 
2014-03-14 03:45:36 PM
I tip if i have coin change left over or if she's hot. Even if ugly i'll tip if there's boobs/cleavage, life is strange like that.
 
2014-03-14 03:47:28 PM
Gunny Highway:

Why do you tip bartenders?

Don't bartenders make two bucks and change per hour like restaurant waitstaff?  I've always tipped bartenders under that assumption.
 
2014-03-14 03:58:28 PM

Gunny Highway: ArcadianRefugee: Gunny Highway: MemeSlave: AliceBToklasLives: Are they pouring coffee (or providing a cup I use to pour coffee)?  Probably no need to tip.

Are they making a specialty drink, such as a latte, just a bit of foam, 180 degrees with just a touch of irish cream?  Yeah, I think a tip would be in order.

itstheirjob,jpg

Why do you tip bartenders?

Did the bartender simply pop the top off a beer and hand me the bottle? Or did the bartender properly mix a drink for me?

You dont tip a dollar a drink?


When that "drink" is a bottle of beer (not even from tap??)? No, I don't. If, however, that drink looked like this

d3u5xmnnxiuz0w.cloudfront.net

he's gonna be getting a hefty one.

See the difference? One requires the skill and attention of a trained chimp and takes all of 5 seconds, including the time to pull it from the cooler behind him; the other takes time, effort, and skill.
 
2014-03-14 04:05:00 PM

ArcadianRefugee: Gunny Highway: ArcadianRefugee: Gunny Highway: MemeSlave: AliceBToklasLives: Are they pouring coffee (or providing a cup I use to pour coffee)?  Probably no need to tip.

Are they making a specialty drink, such as a latte, just a bit of foam, 180 degrees with just a touch of irish cream?  Yeah, I think a tip would be in order.

itstheirjob,jpg

Why do you tip bartenders?

Did the bartender simply pop the top off a beer and hand me the bottle? Or did the bartender properly mix a drink for me?

You dont tip a dollar a drink?

When that "drink" is a bottle of beer (not even from tap??)? No, I don't. If, however, that drink looked like this

[d3u5xmnnxiuz0w.cloudfront.net image 417x650]

he's gonna be getting a hefty one.

See the difference? One requires the skill and attention of a trained chimp and takes all of 5 seconds, including the time to pull it from the cooler behind him; the other takes time, effort, and skill.


Oh.  I tip a dollar a drink usually.  If I am grabbing one for someone while I am at the bar, I will sometimes leave one dollar for both.

Also, why are you speaking to me like that?  You are going to act high and mighty because we tip differently?

And why is drink in quotes when you are talking about a bottle of beer?
 
2014-03-14 04:31:25 PM

Gunny Highway: Also, why are you speaking to me like that?  You are going to act high and mighty because we tip differently?


Sorry. Kind of the "you don't tip a dollar a drink" bit. Interpreted it as mock incredulous and not matter-of-fact question (if a question can be "matter-of-fact"). Apologies for the misinterpretation (which, holy hell, took a lot longer to type correctly than it should have).

And why is drink in quotes when you are talking about a bottle of beer?

Scare quotes. Meant to demean/diminish the object, as a symbol of the action of procuring me a bottle of beer, since I wasn't explicitly mentioning the action.
 
2014-03-14 04:35:33 PM
Cheers, man! No worries.
 
2014-03-14 04:37:30 PM
No one has mentioned this yet, but here in Minneapolis we have this chain bakery called "Breadsmith" and they have a tip jar. Now, unless I am missing something, here is what they do: put your requested bakery item in a bag and hand it to you, or at most, take a loaf of bread and put it in a slicing machine, then bag it and hand it to you. That's it. They don't make sandwiches, they don't have any beverages. That's all they do. And they want a tip....(sigh). Should I tip the deli counter person at the grocery store for slicing me some cheese? How about the butcher for weighing me a pound of ground beef? Or the bagel store person for slicing a bagel and spreading some cream cheese on it?

/Where will it end?
 
2014-03-14 04:55:32 PM

xaldin: I can see it if I was building some complicated shot of this/dash of that/smidge of something concoction that takes an inordinate amount of time to make but otherwise no.


Why?

You pay 3 times as much for that complicated drink, and making them is their job.
 
2014-03-14 05:50:05 PM
If the staff brings the food to me (i.e. a server in a restaurant/cafe coming to my table, or a takeout delivery person coming to my house), then I'm more than happy to tip. If I'm picking up the food from the counter where I pay, then not so much.

The only exception would be drinks at a bar; I don't know if it works the same in the U.S., but in many (most?) Canadian provinces, the minimum wage for alcohol servers is lower than the minimum wage for all other employees.
 
2014-03-14 06:05:31 PM

Kraftwerk Orange: Egoy3k: lockers: [img.fark.net image 850x595]

The artist of that cartoon really needs to get some perspective.

It's from The Onion.  I thought Farkers knew this kind of stuff.


Your opinion of fellow farkers is WAY, WAY, too high.
 
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