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(RealClear)   Panel urges the president to sign an executive order lifting the ban on transgender military service   ( divider line
    More: Interesting, military service, U.S. Surgeon General, Palm Center, presidential executive order, San Francisco State University, Department of Defense, Chelsea Manning, judicial panel  
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2014-03-14 04:23:01 PM  

IsThatYourFinalAnswer: Theaetetus: IsThatYourFinalAnswer: I don't see actively transitioning people being allowed in to the service any day soon. It's not so much the psych aspect, but more health readiness. The military doesn't normally take on people with serious, pre-existing conditions. Asthma, diabetes, cancer, etc... All those are disqualifying. Makes the same amount of sense to me, to prohibit enlistment of actively transitioning people too...lots of medical care required for that group.

This is also why anyone who gets injured is immediately discharged from the military, regardless of whether they'll recover.

Depends on the injury. A chronic, long-term injury that impedes the ability to deploy overseas, you'll get medically retired/discharged. It's a decision for med board.

To flip the script, view it like this. We allow actively transitioning person into the service. They get told "Hey, shiat's going down, we're deploying. Conditions are austere, we need to stop your transition. It's unknown when we'll have the specialists needed in-theater to treat you."

Being trans myself, that would SUCK.

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2014-03-14 04:42:07 PM  

MythDragon: The way I look at it, if I have to bunk and shower with people who are in to my body, then EVERYONE should bunk and shower together. Males and females, lezies and gays. And 'other'.

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/Rico says "Am I right? Look at Dizzy over here and tell me you wouldn't want to shower with th--Hey! what's poking me in the ass?! Dammit Jerry! That's no where penis goes and you know it!"

The repeal of DADT alone is enough that this should be the case, but especially with the push for women in combat arms, I completely agree that gender segregation should be done away with in its entirety, as should the double standards currently in place. Gay, straight, male, female, other, doesn't matter in that case. Treat everyone like a soldier and expect them to behave like one, or tell them to GTFO.

Unless this happens, women shouldn't be allowed in combat arms and transgender people shouldn't be allowed in at all. If it happens, I think   IsThatYourFinalAnswer has the right of it. Any unresolved issues or required treatment should be disqualifying, but if they're happy in their current skin and need no special treatment, why not?

/this will never happen because making women adhere to the same standards as men would be "sexist"
//so while we're in this hypothetical dreamland I guess it'd be nice if we didn't need a military in the first place
2014-03-14 05:42:06 PM  
yeah i don't know a lot of transgender folks who are keyed up serve in the military

though it's nice they might have the option
i guess
2014-03-14 05:49:24 PM  
I'm post-operative MTF and I'm serving. in the Guard.
I've got 18 years in and the Guard just held an administrative discharge board to attempt to remove my commission and discharge me.

I had been secretly on HRT for 3 years before PTSD got the better of me. I haven't drilled in about a year and a half because of this, and boy were they surprised when they found out.
I know what you're going to ask: why couldn't I have made it two more years? I knew I wouldn't live that long, basically. I had reached my ability to sustain. My inability to compartmentalize the trans issues became too much and I had reached the end. Literally.
When I started HRT I had 4 years left to retirement, but I knew I wouldn't live that long, so I rolled the dice and started HRT, hoping that I could make it through to the end.  When my unit finally started dealing with the PTSD and sent me to Ft Polk for a medical eval, the Army at that point accessed my VA medical records and saw that I was trans and coincidentally had just came back from Thailand from having had GCS, they decided to discharge me for being trans instead.

I'm receiving help from the ACLU and The Palm Center now with the appeal, but I don't hold out hope. Unless of course they change the rules before I get shown the door.
Right now, I'm trying to get my name and gender changed with DEERS and big Army, but this is an unusual case and people are still trying to figure out how to change that. Also, in case you're wondering, if you have GCS. It's also known as SRS, I use GCS which stands for Gender Confirmation Surgery. This more accurately describes what took place. I've always considered myself a woman and this is just fixing a birth defect, imo.

A big caveat with changing your name and gender in the Dod system, is that you have to divorce if you're married AND you live in a state that doesn't recognize marriage equality. That being accomplished, I'm waiting for the ID and gender change. I'm actually going to my guard unit tomorrow to discuss this matter with them. It'll be my first visit back to my unit since my surgery and the visible part of transition (girls clothes, makeup, etc)
So, the deal is, that in the trial the Army had to walk a fine line between calling me mentally defective and still recognizing that I had a stellar Army career that proved that I am a good soldier. I told them that I had been serving as a Trans woman for 18 years. The hard part was over and my body fully healed, yet that didn't matter.
This was just last month as well.

As far as the side effects of Spiro and Estradiol on me while performing my duties was nil, mostly. The major thing that it affected was my strength. However, I still passed my APFT with a 280, so that point is moot. As long as  your meds are stable, there shouldn't be many reasons why a trans person couldn't serve.

Now for the kicker.I know of at least 30 FTMs that are serving openly and with command blessing in the military, both active and guard/reserve. Yes, there are some FTMs that get discharged for being trans, but the majority of the discharges are for the MTFs. It's not hard to speculate why the discrepancy. It's no secret that the military has a high bias toward the males for many reasons and women continue to get the short end of the stick. It's not fair and it's wrong.

As far as I know, I'm one of the few that is post-op and that is likely to end soon. There is a trans MTF soldier from a mid-western state that is in the Guard and has command blessing for HRT at this point and I believe her State's Guard is protecting her from big Army.
Why my state decided to attempt to discharge me is probably because I am in an infantry unit. Granted, I'm an officer and signal, so I don't hump a ruck or anything like that. I think it is pure and simple prejudice.
I've shown them that not only am I fit to serve now as a post-op trans woman, but I served for 18 years as a trans woman before that without missing a beat.

The neat thing is that during this current time of career uncertainty,  I'm in never never land, I don't have to hide. I am a woman in the Guard now (at least until they discharge me).
One of the funny things is that when I go now to a base and try to get in, they look at my as of yet unchanged ID (with male picture and name), I get a double look and a salute and am allowed to pass (no pun intended). This in and of itself is scary because I don't even look like my ID picture now, much less the gender and name change

The thing that would have caused the most problems for me, imo, is that while serving and being an MTF, is the beard. I would imagine that if I would have had to transition and not have completedelectrolysis it would have been a nightmare because of the shadow. I would imagine theharassment would be unending. There is an "ugly duckling" phase that we go through that would probably play havoc with AR-670-1 (wear and appearance of the uniform). I know that females in the army are allowed to wear minimal makeup, but trying to cover a beard shadow while trying toachieve "minimal makeup" is a difficult proposition.

So, to conclude, as a post-op trans woman, I think that there is now compelling reason to keep trans people from serving. I've proved it.

You can read about my transition here:

p.s. There are 15 nations that allow transgender service. We should be 16th.
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