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2014-03-14 08:29:08 AM
I'm surprised the article didn't include where they were married.
 
2014-03-14 08:40:44 AM

stpauler: I'm surprised the article didn't include where they were married.


My guess is the United States of America, where equal protection under the law is written into the Constitution.
 
2014-03-14 09:08:27 AM
fark you anti marriage equality farking farkwad bastards/biatches.
 
2014-03-14 09:38:12 AM
From an earlier article on this:
What that Defense of Marriage Act also means to Tracy Dice is:
She could never use the commissary to do the grocery shopping where food is marked just 5 percent above wholesale.
Tracy was never covered under Johnson's Tricare medical insurance.
She and Sgt. Johnson never received the Basic Allowance for Housing stipend essential to many male-female couples in securing housing.
She couldn't go to base-sponsored picnics and events.
She couldn't get any assistance relocating with her wife to a new duty station, including overseas.
Once at a new base Tracy would not have qualified for employment or education assistance.
She did not qualify for free legal service.
If she were ever a victim of spousal abuse and the 'survivor' effects of PTSD, she could not go to family advocacy or spousal abuse centers.
She will not receive any of Johnson's survivor benefits.

And perhaps most striking of all is that when the suicide bomber ripped through that Afghan market October 1 killing her wife, Tracy had to hear about it second-hand, because the Army refused to acknowledge her as the Primary Next Of Kin (PNOK). That means grief counseling and all the honors due a fallen spouse are also being denied to Tracy Dice. Tracy was listed only as a Designated Person, someone who finds out "less quickly than the PNOK" about their spouse's death.
 
2014-03-14 09:39:28 AM

stpauler: I'm surprised the article didn't include where they were married.


D.C. according to another article.
 
2014-03-14 09:50:36 AM

Theaetetus: What that Defense of Marriage Act also means to Tracy Dice is:
She could never use the commissary to do the grocery shopping where food is marked just 5 percent above wholesale.
Tracy was never covered under Johnson's Tricare medical insurance.
She and Sgt. Johnson never received the Basic Allowance for Housing stipend essential to many male-female couples in securing housing.
She couldn't go to base-sponsored picnics and events.
She couldn't get any assistance relocating with her wife to a new duty station, including overseas.
Once at a new base Tracy would not have qualified for employment or education assistance.
She did not qualify for free legal service.
If she were ever a victim of spousal abuse and the 'survivor' effects of PTSD, she could not go to family advocacy or spousal abuse centers.
She will not receive any of Johnson's survivor benefits.

And perhaps most striking of all is that when the suicide bomber ripped through that Afghan market October 1 killing her wife, Tracy had to hear about it second-hand, because the Army refused to acknowledge her as the Primary Next Of Kin (PNOK). That means grief counseling and all the honors due a fallen spouse are also being denied to Tracy Dice. Tracy was listed only as a Designated Person, someone who finds out "less quickly than the PNOK" about their spouse's death.


Letting her have all of those things would make my marriage weaker and less meaningful and would be detrimental to children because old book words
 
2014-03-14 10:03:30 AM

kronicfeld: Theaetetus: What that Defense of Marriage Act also means to Tracy Dice is:
She could never use the commissary to do the grocery shopping where food is marked just 5 percent above wholesale.
Tracy was never covered under Johnson's Tricare medical insurance.
She and Sgt. Johnson never received the Basic Allowance for Housing stipend essential to many male-female couples in securing housing.
She couldn't go to base-sponsored picnics and events.
She couldn't get any assistance relocating with her wife to a new duty station, including overseas.
Once at a new base Tracy would not have qualified for employment or education assistance.
She did not qualify for free legal service.
If she were ever a victim of spousal abuse and the 'survivor' effects of PTSD, she could not go to family advocacy or spousal abuse centers.
She will not receive any of Johnson's survivor benefits.

And perhaps most striking of all is that when the suicide bomber ripped through that Afghan market October 1 killing her wife, Tracy had to hear about it second-hand, because the Army refused to acknowledge her as the Primary Next Of Kin (PNOK). That means grief counseling and all the honors due a fallen spouse are also being denied to Tracy Dice. Tracy was listed only as a Designated Person, someone who finds out "less quickly than the PNOK" about their spouse's death.

Letting her have all of those things would make my marriage weaker and less meaningful and would be detrimental to children because old book words


And couldn't she just like, sign a contract and get all those things anyway? I know that when I want to go shopping at a military base, I just flash a copy of my will at them and they let me in.
 
2014-03-14 10:04:01 AM
Thank you for your service dead gay guy.
 
2014-03-14 10:09:52 AM

Walker: Thank you for your service dead gay guy.


Girl.
 
2014-03-14 10:36:24 AM

baka-san: fark you anti marriage equality farking farkwad bastards/biatches.


This.
 
2014-03-14 10:37:05 AM
I completely understand why this person SHOULD get the benefits.  However, there should be no surprise here, it's not like the policies aren't well known.
 
2014-03-14 10:37:07 AM
Just like it says in the bible... make life difficult for widows and those who are suffering, and God will love you forever.
 
2014-03-14 10:39:11 AM
Support the troops.

Just not those troops.
 
2014-03-14 10:41:06 AM

CruJones: I completely understand why this person SHOULD get the benefits.  However, there should be no surprise here, it's not like the policies aren't well known.


Oh, no one's surprised. This is really more the setup for a lawsuit that the residency-based federal determination of benefits violates due process and equal protection.
 
2014-03-14 10:43:49 AM
Maybe when the old asses in charge are done being afraid of the Russians and Reefer Madness they can accept that robots aren't going to kill them wither.

How far have we really come since the 50's ?
 
2014-03-14 10:44:28 AM

Marcus Aurelius: stpauler: I'm surprised the article didn't include where they were married.

My guess is the United States of America, where equal protection under the law is written into the Constitution.


It's adorable that you think it's that simple.
 
2014-03-14 10:45:29 AM
Above and apart from the inequality North Carolina has VERY STRANGE laws regarding insurance. When my grandmother passed my father could not collect on her insurance because he lived in North Carolina and NC BANS Insurance policies that pay out more more than the principle paid!

In other words she may be be SOL  even if she were married with full equality!
 
2014-03-14 10:48:32 AM

Theaetetus: CruJones: I completely understand why this person SHOULD get the benefits.  However, there should be no surprise here, it's not like the policies aren't well known.

Oh, no one's surprised. This is really more the setup for a lawsuit that the residency-based federal determination of benefits violates due process and equal protection.


Okay, so it's more:

Feds: "Same-sex partners get military benefits by the Federal Government"

NC: "Sorry, we don't recognize teh ghey marriage."

Feds: "What part of 'Federalized National Guard' did you not understand?"
 
2014-03-14 10:48:38 AM
The Baby Boomers and Bible Thumpers need to get the hell out of the way so we can get on with our history.

/I honestly think these folk believe Interracial Marriage was also a mistake.
//They're just too cowardly to say that publicly.
 
2014-03-14 10:50:01 AM
So widows from NC don't get benefits?
 
2014-03-14 10:50:02 AM

firefly212: Just like it says in the bible... make life difficult for widows and those who are suffering, and God will love you forever.


Our God is an all-loving God, presuming you hate the people he wants you to hate.
 
2014-03-14 10:50:40 AM

Theaetetus: From an earlier article on this:
What that Defense of Marriage Act also means to Tracy Dice is:
She could never use the commissary to do the grocery shopping where food is marked just 5 percent above wholesale.
Tracy was never covered under Johnson's Tricare medical insurance.
She and Sgt. Johnson never received the Basic Allowance for Housing stipend essential to many male-female couples in securing housing.
She couldn't go to base-sponsored picnics and events.
She couldn't get any assistance relocating with her wife to a new duty station, including overseas.
Once at a new base Tracy would not have qualified for employment or education assistance.
She did not qualify for free legal service.
If she were ever a victim of spousal abuse and the 'survivor' effects of PTSD, she could not go to family advocacy or spousal abuse centers.
She will not receive any of Johnson's survivor benefits.

And perhaps most striking of all is that when the suicide bomber ripped through that Afghan market October 1 killing her wife, Tracy had to hear about it second-hand, because the Army refused to acknowledge her as the Primary Next Of Kin (PNOK). That means grief counseling and all the honors due a fallen spouse are also being denied to Tracy Dice. Tracy was listed only as a Designated Person, someone who finds out "less quickly than the PNOK" about their spouse's death.


This is why we changed the policy. Thanks, Obama!

/Adm. Mike Mullen, tip o' the khaki combination cover.
 
2014-03-14 10:52:10 AM
www.ohiofreepress.com
 
2014-03-14 10:54:04 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Marcus Aurelius: stpauler: I'm surprised the article didn't include where they were married.

My guess is the United States of America, where equal protection under the law is written into the Constitution.

It's adorable that you think it's that simple.


It really is that simple, ultimately. We just have a lot of idiots who haven't gotten over their religion-driven hatred yet. It's only a matter of time until gay people have full equality under the law everywhere in the United States. And they will probably get official federal recognition in the courts as a protected class as well, because the rampant bigotry they face will compel the courts to act in that regard. The further the hate-mongers push things (with their gay segregation bills, etc, in various Republican-run states) the more likely that the courts will begin to act in this regard to protect gay people's civil rights. A group having faced discrimination in the past is part of the test that the courts use to determine whether laws targeting that group should be subjected to heightened scrutiny, and gay people certainly qualify since so many scumbags hate them for no reason.
 
2014-03-14 10:55:53 AM

kronicfeld: Theaetetus: What that Defense of Marriage Act also means to Tracy Dice is:
She could never use the commissary to do the grocery shopping where food is marked just 5 percent above wholesale.
Tracy was never covered under Johnson's Tricare medical insurance.
She and Sgt. Johnson never received the Basic Allowance for Housing stipend essential to many male-female couples in securing housing.
She couldn't go to base-sponsored picnics and events.
She couldn't get any assistance relocating with her wife to a new duty station, including overseas.
Once at a new base Tracy would not have qualified for employment or education assistance.
She did not qualify for free legal service.
If she were ever a victim of spousal abuse and the 'survivor' effects of PTSD, she could not go to family advocacy or spousal abuse centers.
She will not receive any of Johnson's survivor benefits.

And perhaps most striking of all is that when the suicide bomber ripped through that Afghan market October 1 killing her wife, Tracy had to hear about it second-hand, because the Army refused to acknowledge her as the Primary Next Of Kin (PNOK). That means grief counseling and all the honors due a fallen spouse are also being denied to Tracy Dice. Tracy was listed only as a Designated Person, someone who finds out "less quickly than the PNOK" about their spouse's death.

Letting her have all of those things would make my marriage weaker and less meaningful and would be detrimental to children because old book words


Why not list her as NOK.  Who says she isnt your sister?
 
2014-03-14 10:56:31 AM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Marcus Aurelius: stpauler: I'm surprised the article didn't include where they were married.

My guess is the United States of America, where equal protection under the law is written into the Constitution.

It's adorable that you think it's that simple.



It should be that simple.
If you married your first cousing in one of the 20 states where that is legal, and then moved to Arkansas (where it is not) your marriage is still legal and binding.

Why should it be any different for same-sex marriages?
 
2014-03-14 10:57:59 AM

ajgeek: The Baby Boomers and Bible Thumpers need to get the hell out of the way so we can get on with our history.

/I honestly think these folk believe Interracial Marriage was also a mistake.
//They're just too cowardly to say that publicly.


The Boomers aren't the real problem on this issue and/or the interracial marriage issue in the past. It's the generation older than the Boomers that was the real problem, with polling persistently heavily against marriage equality. As more of them die, opposition to marriage equality will eventually become confined to fundamentalist scum.
 
2014-03-14 10:59:20 AM

Nutsac_Jim: kronicfeld: Theaetetus: What that Defense of Marriage Act also means to Tracy Dice is:
She could never use the commissary to do the grocery shopping where food is marked just 5 percent above wholesale.
Tracy was never covered under Johnson's Tricare medical insurance.
She and Sgt. Johnson never received the Basic Allowance for Housing stipend essential to many male-female couples in securing housing.
She couldn't go to base-sponsored picnics and events.
She couldn't get any assistance relocating with her wife to a new duty station, including overseas.
Once at a new base Tracy would not have qualified for employment or education assistance.
She did not qualify for free legal service.
If she were ever a victim of spousal abuse and the 'survivor' effects of PTSD, she could not go to family advocacy or spousal abuse centers.
She will not receive any of Johnson's survivor benefits.

And perhaps most striking of all is that when the suicide bomber ripped through that Afghan market October 1 killing her wife, Tracy had to hear about it second-hand, because the Army refused to acknowledge her as the Primary Next Of Kin (PNOK). That means grief counseling and all the honors due a fallen spouse are also being denied to Tracy Dice. Tracy was listed only as a Designated Person, someone who finds out "less quickly than the PNOK" about their spouse's death.

Letting her have all of those things would make my marriage weaker and less meaningful and would be detrimental to children because old book words

Why not list her as NOK.  Who says she isnt your sister?



The box for "next of kin" asks you to specify the relationship.
 
2014-03-14 10:59:37 AM

firefly212: Just like it says in the bible... make life difficult for widows and those who are suffering, and God will love you forever.


Don't forget to tell them that they're damned to hell for all eternity too, that shiat NEVER gets old!
 
2014-03-14 11:00:21 AM

give me doughnuts: Why should it be any different for same-sex marriages?


Or as we call it in Vermont, Just Marriage.
 
2014-03-14 11:00:38 AM
With North Carolina happily refusing about $14,000 a year in survivor benefits for one individual in her economy, such a wealthy state ought to refund say $10,000 a year to all her residents in a further act of noblese oblige.

Logic, when it's that broken, profit.
 
2014-03-14 11:01:08 AM

Mnemia: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Marcus Aurelius: stpauler: I'm surprised the article didn't include where they were married.

My guess is the United States of America, where equal protection under the law is written into the Constitution.

It's adorable that you think it's that simple.

It really is that simple, ultimately. We just have a lot of idiots who haven't gotten over their religion-driven hatred yet. It's only a matter of time until gay people have full equality under the law everywhere in the United States. And they will probably get official federal recognition in the courts as a protectedquasi-suspect class as well, because the rampant bigotry they face will compel the courts to act in that regard. The further the hate-mongers push things (with their gay segregation bills, etc, in various Republican-run states) the more likely that the courts will begin to act in this regard to protect gay people's civil rights. A group having faced discrimination in the past is part of the test that the courts use to determine whether laws targeting that group should be subjected to heightened scrutiny, and gay people certainly qualify since so many scumbags hate them for no reason.


FTFY. The protected class aspect would come with ENDA getting signed into law.
 
2014-03-14 11:01:27 AM
Can somebody in the military elaborate something for me.  Can you assign who you wish to receive death benefits or is it automatic for spouses and otherwise can't be defined?
 
2014-03-14 11:01:30 AM

Mnemia: ajgeek: The Baby Boomers and Bible Thumpers need to get the hell out of the way so we can get on with our history.

/I honestly think these folk believe Interracial Marriage was also a mistake.
//They're just too cowardly to say that publicly.

The Boomers aren't the real problem on this issue and/or the interracial marriage issue in the past. It's the generation older than the Boomers that was the real problem, with polling persistently heavily against marriage equality. As more of them die, opposition to marriage equality will eventually become confined to fundamentalist scum.


It already is confined to fundamentalist scum. By definition.
 
2014-03-14 11:01:39 AM
Darwin smiles on the gene pool.
 
2014-03-14 11:01:55 AM

Marcus Aurelius: stpauler: I'm surprised the article didn't include where they were married.

My guess is the United States of America, where equal protection under the law is written into the Constitution.


And where there is a Full Faith and Credit Clause in the Constitution requiring all states to recognize one another's legal proceedings and records, which would include their marriage.
 
2014-03-14 11:02:42 AM
Why does it matter the person was in the service, again?

Oh, right. Plea to emotion.
 
2014-03-14 11:03:23 AM

Theaetetus: From an earlier article on this:
What that Defense of Marriage Act also means to Tracy Dice is:
She could never use the commissary to do the grocery shopping where food is marked just 5 percent above wholesale.
Tracy was never covered under Johnson's Tricare medical insurance.
She and Sgt. Johnson never received the Basic Allowance for Housing stipend essential to many male-female couples in securing housing.
She couldn't go to base-sponsored picnics and events.
She couldn't get any assistance relocating with her wife to a new duty station, including overseas.
Once at a new base Tracy would not have qualified for employment or education assistance.
She did not qualify for free legal service.
If she were ever a victim of spousal abuse and the 'survivor' effects of PTSD, she could not go to family advocacy or spousal abuse centers.
She will not receive any of Johnson's survivor benefits.

And perhaps most striking of all is that when the suicide bomber ripped through that Afghan market October 1 killing her wife, Tracy had to hear about it second-hand, because the Army refused to acknowledge her as the Primary Next Of Kin (PNOK). That means grief counseling and all the honors due a fallen spouse are also being denied to Tracy Dice. Tracy was listed only as a Designated Person, someone who finds out "less quickly than the PNOK" about their spouse's death.


And what bothers me the most about the DOMA supporters is that they claim that all of these things are "special rights".  They want their own "special rights".  Not equal rights.  The only way these would be "special" is if you saw homosexuals as something other than human beings, and that's pretty telling on its own.
 
2014-03-14 11:05:38 AM

firefly212: Just like it says in the bible... make life difficult for widows and those who are suffering, and God will love you forever.


I really wanted to click funny on this... I did...

But it's too sad and painful
 
2014-03-14 11:05:55 AM

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter the person was in the service, again?

Oh, right. Plea to emotion Federal benefits for spouses of military personnel.


FTFY.
 
2014-03-14 11:06:36 AM

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter the person was in the service, again?

Oh, right. Plea to emotion.


As Theaetetus pointed out earlier, a woman married to another woman in the military at this time lost a lot of benefits that she would have had if she were a man, including TRICARE coverage, housing benefits, ability to use the commissary, survivor benefits, and on and on and on.
 
2014-03-14 11:06:55 AM
I'm ok with this
 
2014-03-14 11:07:13 AM

Theaetetus: Weatherkiss: Why does it matter the person was in the service, again?

Oh, right. Plea to emotion Federal benefits for spouses of military personnel.

FTFY.


**shakes tiny fist**
 
2014-03-14 11:07:51 AM

Weatherkiss: Why does it matter the person was in the service, again?

Oh, right. Plea to emotion.


This is about the benefits afforded to the spouses of combat casualties it's pretty relevant to the discussion at hand.
 
2014-03-14 11:09:31 AM

Theaetetus: kronicfeld: Theaetetus: What that Defense of Marriage Act also means to Tracy Dice is:
She could never use the commissary to do the grocery shopping where food is marked just 5 percent above wholesale.
Tracy was never covered under Johnson's Tricare medical insurance.
She and Sgt. Johnson never received the Basic Allowance for Housing stipend essential to many male-female couples in securing housing.
She couldn't go to base-sponsored picnics and events.
She couldn't get any assistance relocating with her wife to a new duty station, including overseas.
Once at a new base Tracy would not have qualified for employment or education assistance.
She did not qualify for free legal service.
If she were ever a victim of spousal abuse and the 'survivor' effects of PTSD, she could not go to family advocacy or spousal abuse centers.
She will not receive any of Johnson's survivor benefits.

And perhaps most striking of all is that when the suicide bomber ripped through that Afghan market October 1 killing her wife, Tracy had to hear about it second-hand, because the Army refused to acknowledge her as the Primary Next Of Kin (PNOK). That means grief counseling and all the honors due a fallen spouse are also being denied to Tracy Dice. Tracy was listed only as a Designated Person, someone who finds out "less quickly than the PNOK" about their spouse's death.

Letting her have all of those things would make my marriage weaker and less meaningful and would be detrimental to children because old book words

And couldn't she just like, sign a contract and get all those things anyway? I know that when I want to go shopping at a military base, I just flash a copy of my will at them and they let me in.


The proposed replacement for a legal system dosen't yet exist, therefore the status quo is an immutable and eternal part of society, therefore it must be changed in a different way than you propose.

It isn't even internally consistent!
 
2014-03-14 11:10:55 AM

CivicMindedFive: Can somebody in the military elaborate something for me.  Can you assign who you wish to receive death benefits or is it automatic for spouses and otherwise can't be defined?


I gave assigned a chunk of my SGLI to my sister and the military called my wife to let her know she wasn't the primary beneficiary. But generally, you can assign it to anyone you want.
We had a thing in my platoon where we would assigned 10% to another guy so if we died, they'd take that 10% and throw a huge party with the money.
 
2014-03-14 11:11:41 AM
This must be a real conundrum for right-wing whack-jobs:

"Support the Troops" vs. "Hate the Gays"

"Hero Soldier" vs. "Evil Lesbian"

"Woman in male-dominate field" vs ... OK no, they'll just hate her for that one.

I think the jury is in. She wasn't barefoot and pregnant in her kitchen so she and her wife can suck it (figuratively speaking of course).
 
2014-03-14 11:11:47 AM
assets.nydailynews.com

Arlington is going to dig up all the ghey ones and put them in their own section. (Major Alan G. Rogers, 2 Bronze Stars with Clusters, blown to bits by an IED on foot patrol in Iraq, gay as gay can be  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR200 8 032103036.html )

/I wonder how many beach houses on the North Carolina shore qualify for cheap federal- or state-backed flood insurance
 
2014-03-14 11:13:23 AM
oops...no clusters...sorry...up late...
 
2014-03-14 11:13:57 AM

TheShavingofOccam123: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x481]

Arlington is going to dig up all the ghey ones and put them in their own section. (Major Alan G. Rogers, 2 Bronze Stars with Clusters, blown to bits by an IED on foot patrol in Iraq, gay as gay can be  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/21/AR200 8 032103036.html )

/I wonder how many beach houses on the North Carolina shore qualify for cheap federal- or state-backed flood insurance


Two bronze stars and a purple heart. Not bad. Anybody able to top that?

/odds are at least one Medal of Honor winner was gay
 
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