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(Malaysia New Straits Times)   New new evidence from MIL radar tracking data suggests that flight MH370 was deliberately diverted onto airway N571 heading towards Andaman Islands. SAR efforts turning the focus on Indian Ocean   (nst.com.my) divider line 191
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2014-03-14 12:49:24 PM  

BigNumber12: North Sentinel is lucky to still be populated.


I wonder how they deal with in-breeding.  TFA states that they are probably descendents fromt he first peoples out of Africa, so it means they DNS must have been relatively diverse to begin with, but still...  60 000 years of inbreeding must have caused some interresting recessive genes to bubble up to the top.
 
2014-03-14 12:49:45 PM  

danielscissorhands: Amazing! And funny about the guy taking an arrow to the thigh.


No more adventuring for him.

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2014-03-14 12:52:15 PM  
Are there any islands in that area with old, abandoned WW2 airbases?
 
2014-03-14 01:07:43 PM  
 
2014-03-14 01:14:02 PM  

Mad Scientist: Snort: I'm telling ya, its in North Korea.

And you really think they could keep quiet about it, if they pulled this off?



I heard that they'd tried to call the Malaysians to claim responsibility, but no-one could remember where they put the phone.
Oh, and then the Malays had to get all uppity and cancel their AOL account.
 
2014-03-14 01:20:41 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Is Dirk Pitt enroute?


He just picked up a boat from NUMA, and is talking to a older gentleman about his rare car.
 
2014-03-14 01:34:11 PM  
Have they searched eBay or Craigslist?
 
2014-03-14 02:06:44 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.


I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?
 
2014-03-14 02:16:50 PM  

zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.


Fair enough; what I should have said is that it would make any chance of future peaceful contact with them even more remote than it already is.  We outsiders would be confirming to them that we're as dangerous as they already seem to believe, if not more so.  And in exchange for that, we would gain.. well, nothing useful that I can see.  Teaching them to be scared of helicopters wouldn't make things any better for any future people who end up shipwrecked on their shores.
 
2014-03-14 02:23:27 PM  

SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?


It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.
 
2014-03-14 02:27:07 PM  

Flab: BigNumber12: North Sentinel is lucky to still be populated.

I wonder how they deal with in-breeding.  TFA states that they are probably descendents fromt he first peoples out of Africa, so it means they DNS must have been relatively diverse to begin with, but still...  60 000 years of inbreeding must have caused some interresting recessive genes to bubble up to the top.


If I remember correctly, you only need something like 50 people to keep inbreeding from happening.

How big is the island?
 
2014-03-14 02:33:06 PM  

shortymac: Flab: BigNumber12: North Sentinel is lucky to still be populated.

I wonder how they deal with in-breeding.  TFA states that they are probably descendents fromt he first peoples out of Africa, so it means they DNS must have been relatively diverse to begin with, but still...  60 000 years of inbreeding must have caused some interresting recessive genes to bubble up to the top.

If I remember correctly, you only need something like 50 people to keep inbreeding from happening.


Ah, Possible.  I'm not a biologist.  I do know that some recessive genes are a problem in close-knit communities, like hassidic jews, or the residents of Pit Cairns, for example.

How big is the island?

According to freetomato's article, 1 Manhattan.  (Which is, of course, the SI unit for islands)
 
2014-03-14 02:34:47 PM  

shortymac: If I remember correctly, you only need something like 50 people to keep inbreeding from happening


Yeah, but it only takes two to tango.  amirite?
 
2014-03-14 02:35:06 PM  
Also, holy typos Batman.  I can't believe I wrote this:

Flab: so it means they DNS must have been


and even re-read it twice and didn't notice the egregious errors.
 
2014-03-14 02:36:16 PM  

Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.


Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.
 
2014-03-14 03:06:48 PM  
CNN now says it might have been a lithium battery fire.  Tomorrow on CNN:  it wasn't lithium batteries.
 
2014-03-14 03:07:00 PM  

SpaceButler: zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.

Fair enough; what I should have said is that it would make any chance of future peaceful contact with them even more remote than it already is.  We outsiders would be confirming to them that we're as dangerous as they already seem to believe, if not more so.  And in exchange for that, we would gain.. well, nothing useful that I can see.  Teaching them to be scared of helicopters wouldn't make things any better for any future people who end up shipwrecked on their shores.


OK, I got a little carried away with the blasting them, but, a nice demonstration shoot would get their attention.  They just might think twice about killing outsiders who fall into their hands.  A Vulcan gun makes for a very impressive show for Westerners. I know, I've fired one.  For the islanders, who are a bit farther down the technology scale, it would be very, very, very impressive, particularly a night fire.

I'm reminded of a documentary, about Australian explorers/surveyors in New Guinea, some time after WWII. They went into areas where the tribesmen had not seen Europeans during the war, so they were the first white guys they had ever seen.  The Australians were so different, they, of course, had to be gods.  The tribesmen treated them with all due respect.  As we all know, a god's shiat doesn't stink and the tribesmen soon learned that the Australians shiat did stink.  After figuring out that these white guys weren't gods, merely some outsiders who happened to be white, things started to get a little tense.  The Australians, who had rifles with them, decided they had to calm things down a bit, with a "demonstration".  They had the tribesmen bring a pig to an open area and had the whole village stand around.  One of the Australians then put a bullet through the pig's head, and voila, friendly relations returned, just like that.  The Australians did what they came to do.  The tribesmen had some new, if disturbing, experiences with the wider world.  And nobody got hurt, except the pig, but, it didn't die in vain.
 
2014-03-14 03:13:14 PM  

SpaceButler: Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.

Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.


Keep in mind, what I wrote is just speculation on my part. but I don't think that specualtion is too far off base.
 
2014-03-14 03:52:55 PM  

Ghastly: Are there any islands in that area with old, abandoned WW2 airbases?


I saw that Scooby Doo! It was the old caretaker all along!
 
2014-03-14 04:15:18 PM  

zimbomba63: OK, I got a little carried away with the blasting them, but, a nice demonstration shoot would get their attention. They just might think twice about killing outsiders who fall into their hands. A Vulcan gun makes for a very impressive show for Westerners. I know, I've fired one. For the islanders, who are a bit farther down the technology scale, it would be very, very, very impressive, particularly a night fire.

I'm reminded of a documentary, about Australian explorers/surveyors in New Guinea, some time after WWII. They went into areas where the tribesmen had not seen Europeans during the war, so they were the first white guys they had ever seen. The Australians were so different, they, of course, had to be gods. The tribesmen treated them with all due respect. As we all know, a god's shiat doesn't stink and the tribesmen soon learned that the Australians shiat did stink. After figuring out that these white guys weren't gods, merely some outsiders who happened to be white, things started to get a little tense. The Australians, who had rifles with them, decided they had to calm things down a bit, with a "demonstration". They had the tribesmen bring a pig to an open area and had the whole village stand around. One of the Australians then put a bullet through the pig's head, and voila, friendly relations returned, just like that. The Australians did what they came to do. The tribesmen had some new, if disturbing, experiences with the wider world. And nobody got hurt, except the pig, but, it didn't die in vain.


I see what you're going for, but I think this situation is different enough that it wouldn't work in the same way.  In your example, the tribespeople and the Australians were already living in proximity to each other, and encountering each other regularly.  And more to the point, it was one of the soldiers who had the gun that shot the pig.  The example was that they should respect or be afraid of the Australians, or at least of Australians with guns.

In the case of the Sentinelese, it's an isolated group with whom we have no regular contact.  Convincing them that helicopters are dangerous wouldn't be hard, but how would that change their reactions to actual human beings they encounter?  The only example we'd be providing is that they should be afraid of helicopters.  For that to work as a deterrent when they see shipwrecked people on their shore, they'd have to understand that we control the helicopters and will send them in that kind of situation.  But there's no guarantee that that's how they see things, and even if it is, the example could still produce the opposite effect -- they might just think they'd better kill the shipwreck survivors ASAP because then the helicopter would have no reason to come close.

I suppose we could more closely replicate the situation by staging a shipwreck on their shore to put some people with guns there, and have them fire warning shots before a helicopter or something comes and picks them up, but it seems to me like it's a lot safer and easier for everyone if we just leave the Sentinelese alone.
 
2014-03-14 04:37:59 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: If you set aside the speculation and conspiracy theories and just focus on the facts, I think it's pretty clear what happened.

12:21 - MH370 Departs

1:07 - The pilot decide to commit suicide and turns off the transponder

1:17 - The Iranians with the stolen passports force their way into the cabin to hijack the plane, the instruct the pilot to disable the radio and turn the plane around

2:21 - Chinese separatist terrorists force their way into the cockpit and overpower the Iranians and the flight crew, they instruct the pilot to descend below radar.

2:48 - Mechanical failure in both engines causes loss of power. Shards of metal fly off and damage the tail

3:12 - A bomb planted by al Quaida explodes in the baggage compartment causing rapid depressurization of the cabin.

3:48 - Aliens arrive and abduct the passengers and crew. The plane is vaporized, which is why no wreckage has been found.



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/can you believe these amatures?
 
2014-03-14 04:40:06 PM  

Warthog: Ring of Fire: I'm actually supprised some terrorist group that had nothing to do with it has not claimed responsibility just to get some attention.

They have.   A Chinese group did (can't remember their name).  But nobody took them seriously.



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2014-03-14 04:41:35 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: SpaceButler: Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.

Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.

Keep in mind, what I wrote is just speculation on my part. but I don't think that specualtion is too far off base.


Fair enough.  It does seem plausible, but I'm not sure it's necessary.  Just the fact that their only encounter with outsiders in recent generations ended with four people being abducted, only two of whom survived and returned, seems like enough reason to get hostile.
 
2014-03-14 04:52:19 PM  

SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: SpaceButler: Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.

Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.

Keep in mind, what I wrote is just speculation on my part. but I don't think that specualtion is too far off base.

Fair enough.  It does seem plausible, but I'm not sure it's necessary.  Just the fact that their only encounter with outsiders in recent generations ended with four people being abducted, only two of whom survived and returned, seems like enough reason to get hostile.


Especially of those that returned carried with them a sickness that killed a third (or whatever number) of the tribe.  They would soon learn that the People-Of-The-Metal-Pirogue are not to be approached under any circumstance.

Also this documentary is very interesting.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6I6L8b6mQs
 
2014-03-14 04:58:35 PM  

yellowjester: Have they searched eBay or Craigslist?


Here ya go.
 
2014-03-14 05:00:49 PM  
OK, here's what happened.

This is pilot suicide.  Well thought out, carefully planned pilot suicide.

The pilot in question -- don't know which -- is obviously familiar with previous pilot suicides (Egypt Air 990, SilkAir 185) and knows from those incidents that he must put crash the plane somewhere where the wreckage cannot be found.  Otherwise, the life insurance will not pay out and he, and perhaps his family, is shamed.

He must somehow take out the co-pilot.  He can take out the passengers and remaining crew, if that's in his plan, with oxygen deprivation.  But once he takes out the co-pilot, he has free run of things.

The flight transponder stops almost immediately after he leaves Malaysian control and bids them farewell, but before he gets into Vietnamese ATC control.  This is by careful design.  It provides the gap needed for him to make his course change and it also leads searchers to the wrong position to search.  What's more, this spot is over deep water, away from land.  Everyone will think to scour that area where the transponder stops at about 0107 local, thinking something catastrophic happened.  Which is exactly what happened.

But at that moment he heads west towards the Indian ocean to end it all in an area where the wreckage will be very hard to find -- the Mid-Indian range.

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The Mid-Indian basin is deep, but it's also too flat and wreckage would be easier to spot there.  But the Mid-Indian range is full of hills and crevices and finding wreckage in that area with no surface datum (flotsam) indicating a rough position would be nearly impossible. No wreckage, no proof of suicide, insurance pays out.

The pilot knew exactly when to shut off the transponder to maximize the time available to alter course without drawing immediate suspicion.  He shut down a remaining comms system later - perhaps after realizing it was on, or maybe it was timed to coincide with a glide time - who knows.  And perhaps he even realized that his airline did not subscribe to Rolls-Royce's automated data-link engine monitoring service, but he never realized that that automated service still pinged the satellite every hour or so and that is why the Navies of that region (and the US Navy) are heading into the Indian Ocean to search.  And they're going to find that plane on the Mid-Indian Range.

Anyway, that's my guess.
 
2014-03-14 05:01:01 PM  

SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: SpaceButler: Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.

Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.

Keep in mind, what I wrote is just speculation on my part. but I don't think that specualtion is too far off base.

Fair enough.  It does seem plausible, but I'm not sure it's necessary.  Just the fact that their only encounter with outsiders in recent generations ended with four people being abducted, only two of whom survived and returned, seems like enough reason to get hostile.


absolutly, for some reason, the history of the various Pacific islands, and thier inhabitents facinate me. cargo cults, all that crazy shiat. I havent really heard of this place before today either, so I'll be looking up further info as I can find it when I'm not mobile
 
2014-03-14 05:31:42 PM  

BigNumber12: danielscissorhands: Amazing! And funny about the guy taking an arrow to the thigh.

No more adventuring for him.

[img.fark.net image 200x200]


I must confess, I didn't actually know where the meme was from until I finally got around to Googling it just now.

For anyone who didn't know.
 
2014-03-14 07:17:19 PM  
It just so happens that the copilot was a big fan of American television. He among many others were very impressed with the drama True Detective. But as the series wore on, the character of Rustin Cohle began to trouble him. He decided to send fan letters to Matthew McConaughey, asking him how much of Cohle's philosophy he believed. He started confiding in these one-way missives a myriad of thoughts on the nature of the universe he had not considered before - emergent oppressive truths... that the Universe was not uncaring or unfeeling, but instead pestilential and inimical. He shared his realization that the interstellar aeons hungered for humanity's myriad bits of flesh and spirit, and it was only a matter of time before the horrors of the Outside spread globally across the planet. Receiving no reply, he lapsed into despondency. A new thought emerged... a plan; the hardest part would be taking out the pilot and long time friend...

Mr. McConaughey, like the rest of the world, was caught up in this alarming situation with the missing jet liner. He sat down one night to once again watch television coverage of the speculation and breaks in the case, when he absently began pawing through his copious amounts of unread letters. One letter caught his eye...

Now, embarrassed by the ravings of an obsessed fan, the McConaissance soldiers on, an actor's mask hiding the pain of his new-found knowledge.

At least, that's what Sylvia Brown told me.
 
2014-03-14 08:30:05 PM  

lifeboat: OK, here's what happened.

This is pilot suicide.  Well thought out, carefully planned pilot suicide.

The pilot in question -- don't know which -- is obviously familiar with previous pilot suicides (Egypt Air 990, SilkAir 185) and knows from those incidents that he must put crash the plane somewhere where the wreckage cannot be found.  Otherwise, the life insurance will not pay out and he, and perhaps his family, is shamed.

He must somehow take out the co-pilot.  He can take out the passengers and remaining crew, if that's in his plan, with oxygen deprivation.  But once he takes out the co-pilot, he has free run of things.

The flight transponder stops almost immediately after he leaves Malaysian control and bids them farewell, but before he gets into Vietnamese ATC control.  This is by careful design.  It provides the gap needed for him to make his course change and it also leads searchers to the wrong position to search.  What's more, this spot is over deep water, away from land.  Everyone will think to scour that area where the transponder stops at about 0107 local, thinking something catastrophic happened.  Which is exactly what happened.

But at that moment he heads west towards the Indian ocean to end it all in an area where the wreckage will be very hard to find -- the Mid-Indian range.

[oi61.tinypic.com image 850x531]

The Mid-Indian basin is deep, but it's also too flat and wreckage would be easier to spot there.  But the Mid-Indian range is full of hills and crevices and finding wreckage in that area with no surface datum (flotsam) indicating a rough position would be nearly impossible. No wreckage, no proof of suicide, insurance pays out.

The pilot knew exactly when to shut off the transponder to maximize the time available to alter course without drawing immediate suspicion.  He shut down a remaining comms system later - perhaps after realizing it was on, or maybe it was timed to coincide with a glide time - who knows.  And perhaps he even realized t ...


I like it, but there has to be aliens involved.
 
2014-03-14 08:35:55 PM  

Danger Mouse: I am begining to think it's a botched hijacking and eventaully the crew/passengers were able to crash the plane a-la flight 93?


The passengers did not crash flight 93, the terrorists did.  Why would the passengers crash it?
 
2014-03-14 08:44:19 PM  

Deep Contact: I like it, but there has to be aliens involved.


Aliens...  are the insurers?
 
2014-03-14 09:47:03 PM  

zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.

Fair enough; what I should have said is that it would make any chance of future peaceful contact with them even more remote than it already is.  We outsiders would be confirming to them that we're as dangerous as they already seem to believe, if not more so.  And in exchange for that, we would gain.. well, nothing useful that I can see.  Teaching them to be scared of helicopters wouldn't make things any better for any future people who end up shipwrecked on their shores.

OK, I got a little carried away with the blasting them, but, a nice demonstration shoot would get their attention.  They just might think twice about killing outsiders who fall into their hands.  A Vulcan gun makes for a very impressive show for Westerners. I know, I've fired one.  For the islanders, who are a bit farther down the technology scale, it would be very, very, very impressive, particularly a night fire.


Hey, friends, I found this picture of that poster:

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zimbomba63: I'm reminded of a documentary, about Australian explorers/surveyors in New Guinea, some time after WWII. They went into areas where the tribesmen had not seen Europeans during the war, so they were the first white guys they had ever seen.  The Australians were so different, they, of course, had to be gods.  The tribesmen treated them with all due respect.  As we all know, a god's shiat doesn't stink and the tribesmen soon learned that the Australians shiat did stink.  After figuring out that these white guys weren't gods, merely some outsiders who happened to be white, things started to get a little tense.  The Australians, who had rifles with them, decided they had to calm things down a bit, with a "demonstration".  They had the tribesmen bring a pig to an open area and had the whole village stand around.  One of the Australians then put a bullet through the pig's head, and voila, friendly relations returned, just like that.  The Australians did what they came to do.  The tribesmen had some new, if disturbing, experiences with the wider world.  And nobody got hurt, except the pig, but, it didn't die in vain.


I think you're mixing up Captain Cook with Australians and an unhealthy love of pigs.

And you misspelled "viola".

/Sorry, pet peeve.
//Cook was delicious, if somewhat stringy.
 
2014-03-14 09:49:17 PM  

mcnguyen: Danger Mouse: I am begining to think it's a botched hijacking and eventaully the crew/passengers were able to crash the plane a-la flight 93?

The passengers did not crash flight 93, the terrorists did.  Why would the passengers crash it?


He believes that the passengers forced the terrorists to crash the plane by storming the cockpit to regain control.  This reminds me of a band called Munchhausen by Proxy, from a movie that features Zooey Deschanel.  Here are some pictures of Zooey Deschanel:

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www.tsbmag.com
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www2.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2014-03-14 10:01:37 PM  

iron de havilland: zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.

Fair enough; what I should have said is that it would make any chance of future peaceful contact with them even more remote than it already is.  We outsiders would be confirming to them that we're as dangerous as they already seem to believe, if not more so.  And in exchange for that, we would gain.. well, nothing useful that I can see.  Teaching them to be scared of helicopters wouldn't make things any better for any future people who end up shipwrecked on their shores.

OK, I got a little carried away with the blasting them, but, a nice demonstration shoot would get their attention.  They just might think twice about killing outsiders who fall into their hands.  A Vulcan gun makes for a very impressive show for Westerners. I know, I've fired one.  For the islanders, who are a bit farther down the technology scale, it would be very, very, very impressive, particularly a night fire.

Hey, friends, I found this picture of that poster:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x276]

zimbomba63: I'm reminded of a documentary, about Australian explorers/surveyors in New Guinea, some time after WWII. They went into areas w ...


Hey, buddy! Can I get $25 worth of whatever you're doing.  You know, for the weekend.
 
2014-03-15 12:52:23 AM  

HenryFnord: Tune in tomorrow when this theory will be disavowed.  Seriously, do you sheeple get it yet?  This is all just a big conspiracy by MSM to increase page divert page views! WAKE UP


It looks like news from the Ukraine is almost as lost as that Jet,

i smell a rat.
U can trust a Cat
on that
 
2014-03-15 12:55:42 AM  

mcnguyen: Danger Mouse: I am begining to think it's a botched hijacking and eventaully the crew/passengers were able to crash the plane a-la flight 93?

The passengers did not crash flight 93, the terrorists did.  Why would the passengers crash it?


I read the pilot turned off the communications.  If thats true, I would be less likely to believe terrorist coercion.  I think the pilots, if involved in the comm loss, were in on whatever was happening.

Malfunction is my bet for the disaster.
 
2014-03-15 01:13:20 AM  

trappedspirit: The idea of that plane flying on for four hours with everyone on board dead is both horrific and beautiful.  Just sailing away as part of a play unfolding in this stratospheric mausoleum.  Destined for the next few hours to wait for the inevitable and poetic plunge, ironically back through a height that would not have taken their lives.  But being not interested in this part of the sky either, continues on to embrace the salty sea and start the slow descent, finally to Earth.


Bodies on a ghost ship traveling on its own? Sounds like a modern version of Aniara.
 
2014-03-15 01:25:26 AM  

Warthog: Ring of Fire: I'm actually supprised some terrorist group that had nothing to do with it has not claimed responsibility just to get some attention.

They have.  A Chinese group did (can't remember their name).  But nobody took them seriously.


Why you no take me sewiously?
 
2014-03-15 04:25:08 AM  

zimbomba63: Hey, buddy! Can I get $25 worth of whatever you're doing.  You know, for the weekend.


blogs.telegraph.co.uk

I think it's available in the US.

/YMMV.
 
2014-03-15 02:34:39 PM  

iron de havilland: zimbomba63: Hey, buddy! Can I get $25 worth of whatever you're doing.  You know, for the weekend.

[blogs.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

I think it's available in the US.

/YMMV.


Didn't check!  You're a Scotsman, so I should have known.  I was hoping for something more exotic based on your response.
 
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