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(Malaysia New Straits Times)   New new evidence from MIL radar tracking data suggests that flight MH370 was deliberately diverted onto airway N571 heading towards Andaman Islands. SAR efforts turning the focus on Indian Ocean   (nst.com.my) divider line 191
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2014-03-14 08:02:42 AM  
My MIL had wicked radar, too.
 
2014-03-14 08:02:49 AM  
Mother In Law radar?
 
2014-03-14 08:05:54 AM  
Link farked already?  What a crappy server, is it running off an Atari 2600 or something?
 
2014-03-14 08:06:06 AM  
I have MILF radar.  Does that count?
 
2014-03-14 08:06:13 AM  
Mother I'd Like?
 
2014-03-14 08:06:57 AM  
Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.
 
2014-03-14 08:06:58 AM  

LtDarkstar: Link farked already?  What a crappy server, is it running off an Atari 2600 or something?


You're thinking Atari 5200.
 
2014-03-14 08:09:23 AM  
Tune in tomorrow when this theory will be disavowed.  Seriously, do you sheeple get it yet?  This is all just a big conspiracy by MSM to increase page views! WAKE UP
 
2014-03-14 08:13:51 AM  
i am sorry but this is nothing that has not been mentioned in previous posts maybe three days ago when the radar reports first popped up

or even earlier when people realized the transponder was turned off and military radar(passive) indicated a turn

no matter how much some countries may hate the us sometimes there are somethings they just cant handle dont want to admit and they really need us to do things like investigate an aircrash/possible hijacking


now the malay government and airline have opened themselves up to massive lawsuits for the delay that if they had asked for help sooner they might find survivors

i can hear the ambulance chasers already......a chance to sue a foreign government for wrongful death and what about the company that lost 20 employees
 
2014-03-14 08:14:20 AM  
Hey, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into.
 
2014-03-14 08:16:08 AM  
Flying waypoint to waypoint is old school navigation.  i.e. not something a terrorist is likely to know a damned thing about.

Here's a thought:  Did the pilot have a family?  Are they all accounted for?  Imagine a phone call "We have your daughter.  If you tell anyone, she dies.  Now here's what you're going to do:  You're going to divert this plane and land it here."
 
2014-03-14 08:16:33 AM  
That Malaysian airlines denier jackass needs to be replaced.

When you have millions of dollars worth of payroll and equipment telling you that other devices were broadcasting, you shut the F up and listen.  And agree.
 
2014-03-14 08:17:08 AM  
I know by law Malaysia is responsible for invistsgating. But are they allowed to ask another agency to invistsgate because they don't have the resources?
/looking at you NTSB
 
2014-03-14 08:21:18 AM  
How do we know this plane even took off?   Even existed?!  Were you there?  WERE YOU THERE?!
 
2014-03-14 08:23:06 AM  

soupafi: I know by law Malaysia is responsible for invistsgating. But are they allowed to ask another agency to invistsgate because they don't have the resources?
/looking at you NTSB


Potato post is potato.
 
2014-03-14 08:23:22 AM  
yes any foreign government has the ability to request help from the us in investigating a crash.  In the case of a us citizen killed in a terrorist attack or suspected terrorist attack the fbi would be able to investigate with technical assistance from the ntsb.

i believe that any foreign government can request assistance from the us in the event of disaster at least humanitarian assistance.  i would not be surprised if the us is sending other ships to the new search area like subs for the sonar and a hospital ship or other ship that could do forensic investigations during a mass casualty incident

think about all the hurricanes typhoons and earthquakes like the one in the Philippines recently
 
2014-03-14 08:23:36 AM  
Is Dirk Pitt enroute?
 
2014-03-14 08:24:26 AM  
Do we know how many of the passengers were Christians?
 
2014-03-14 08:24:28 AM  

Mad Scientist: How do we know this plane even took off?   Even existed?!  Were you there?  WERE YOU THERE?!


There is no proof whatsoever these "passengers" existed except for the two Iranians. Its a CIA plot to help them disappear by claiming a plane with them went down. But have we seen anyone's birth certificates? No.
 
2014-03-14 08:25:03 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Is Dirk Pitt enroute?


Nice.
 
2014-03-14 08:26:15 AM  
I think we're going to need a Flight 370 tag at this point.
 
2014-03-14 08:26:43 AM  
So, North Korea paid Myanmar/Burma to hijack the plane, land it in Burma, and North Korea stole the semiconductor experts from Freescale.

/occam's razor suggests no
 
2014-03-14 08:28:39 AM  

YixilTesiphon: So, North Korea paid Myanmar/Burma to hijack the plane, land it in Burma, and North Korea stole the semiconductor experts from Freescale.

/occam's razor suggests no


Occam's razor is just right out the window at this point.  Simplest explanation would be it suffered a catastrophic failure and went down when radar contact was initially lost.  That does not appear to be the case.  It's hard to image at this point it's anything other than foul play.  But even still, where is the ransom demand?  Did it in fact crash?  I haven't a clue at this point.
 
2014-03-14 08:28:48 AM  
Oh look, it's farks faux cause of the week.
Remember last week when everyone pretended to care about the Ukraine for a few days?

/good times
 
2014-03-14 08:29:18 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Is Dirk Pitt enroute?


You can bet a similar incident is going to feature prominently in one of Clive's novels within a year.
 
2014-03-14 08:29:50 AM  
D.B. Cooper strikes again
 
2014-03-14 08:33:44 AM  

abhorrent1: Oh look, it's farks faux cause of the week.
Remember last week when everyone pretended to care about the Ukraine for a few days?

/good times


We have a genuine mystery on our hands here.  What is Fark for if not for rampant speculation?
 
2014-03-14 08:39:44 AM  

YixilTesiphon: So, North Korea paid Myanmar/Burma to hijack the plane, land it in Burma, and North Korea stole the semiconductor experts from Freescale.

/occam's razor suggests no


Twenty nerds / On a jet / Now in Korea / Wanna bet? / Burma-Shave
 
2014-03-14 08:40:44 AM  
Amanda Knox did it.

/obvious
 
2014-03-14 08:41:46 AM  
I'm sorry, but I have't been able to get this image out of my head.   img.fark.net
 
2014-03-14 08:42:07 AM  

freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.


It's the first time China's ever heard of the Andaman Islands, too.  Plus, they just claimed that the islands have always been Chinese territory.
 
2014-03-14 08:42:07 AM  
Damn, if those poor bastards had the misfortune to crash land on or just off of North Sentinel island (part of the Andaman Island chain), the surviving passenger and crew have either been stabbed to death or eaten by the local tribesmen.
 
2014-03-14 08:45:05 AM  

freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.


neat
 
2014-03-14 08:46:16 AM  

freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.


That Pandit guy mentioned in the article wrote a book ('The Sentinelese'), short but fascinating. Unfortunately also a biatch to find.

<i>Other unintentional encounters include on August 2, 1981,a Hong Kong freighter navigating the choppy waters of the Bay of Bengal ran aground on a submerged coral reef. The ship, called the Primrose, was hopelessly stuck. The crew stayed on their boat for a few days, when the saw native people advancing towards their ship, armed with spears, bows and arrows .The captain made a distress call via radio and the crew were airlifted to safety by helicopter.

The last recorded contact with the Sentinelese was in 2006, when the Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies.</i>

Hard. Core.
 
2014-03-14 08:48:06 AM  

nekom: YixilTesiphon: So, North Korea paid Myanmar/Burma to hijack the plane, land it in Burma, and North Korea stole the semiconductor experts from Freescale.

/occam's razor suggests no

Occam's razor is just right out the window at this point.  Simplest explanation would be it suffered a catastrophic failure and went down when radar contact was initially lost.  That does not appear to be the case.  It's hard to image at this point it's anything other than foul play.  But even still, where is the ransom demand?  Did it in fact crash?  I haven't a clue at this point.


Occam's razor doesn't say the simplest explanation is preferred. It says the simplest explanation that fits all the facts is preferred. For example, foul play doesn't require many assumptions to fit this situation. Langoliers or other alien abduction requires a big assumption that extraterrestrials or supernatural beings have reached Earth. We should prefer foul play as an explanation until it no longer fits the situation.
 
2014-03-14 08:49:03 AM  

nekom: abhorrent1: Oh look, it's farks faux cause of the week.
Remember last week when everyone pretended to care about the Ukraine for a few days?

/good times

We have a genuine mystery on our hands here.  What is Fark for if not for rampant speculation?


I believe that the Malaysian authorities are closely monitoring Fark for crackpot theories they can use in their official announcements.  I surprised that they haven't used the "maybe it's still at the gate, one, yet.
 
2014-03-14 08:49:06 AM  

His Sonshine: Do we know how many of the passengers were Christians?


with a username like that are you wondering about some sort of persecution angle here?

if so, I really doubt it, but then again who knows.
 
2014-03-14 08:50:15 AM  

tommyl66: YixilTesiphon: So, North Korea paid Myanmar/Burma to hijack the plane, land it in Burma, and North Korea stole the semiconductor experts from Freescale.

/occam's razor suggests no

Twenty nerds / On a jet / Now in Korea / Wanna bet? / Burma-Shave


I'm not sure about the NK angle, but I wouldnt bet a wooden nickle against this bird turning up in Burma.

Probably the next we hear about it is when serial numbers start turning up on the spare parts market.

/Okay, maybe not, but it would make a neat novel.
 
2014-03-14 08:51:23 AM  

abhorrent1: Oh look, it's farks faux cause of the week.
Remember last week when everyone pretended to care about the Ukraine for a few days?

/good times


oh look, someone's emo kid

/welcome to fark
 
2014-03-14 08:53:08 AM  
Apparently this is why the plane was diverted to Andaman Islands.


 mag.nobleandroyal.com
 
2014-03-14 08:56:18 AM  

SirEattonHogg: Damn, if those poor bastards had the misfortune to crash land on or just off of North Sentinel island (part of the Andaman Island chain), the surviving passenger and crew have either been stabbed to death or eaten by the local tribesmen.


How come you never see travel brochures for North Sentinel Island?  Sounds just like the type of place for people, who think taking hiking trips on the Iran-Iraq border is a good idea.
 
2014-03-14 08:56:49 AM  

schief2: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

That Pandit guy mentioned in the article wrote a book ('The Sentinelese'), short but fascinating. Unfortunately also a biatch to find.

<i>Other unintentional encounters include on August 2, 1981,a Hong Kong freighter navigating the choppy waters of the Bay of Bengal ran aground on a submerged coral reef. The ship, called the Primrose, was hopelessly stuck. The crew stayed on their boat for a few days, when the saw native people advancing towards their ship, armed with spears, bows and arrows .The captain made a distress call via radio and the crew were airlifted to safety by helicopter.

The last recorded contact with the Sentinelese was in 2006, when the Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies.</i>

Hard. Core.


They probably wouldn't have gotten the chance to kill them if it "landed" there.  Island's 100% forested; even if you bring a 777 down for a "perfect" landing, running into a bunch of trees at speed would be slightly better than crashing into a brick wall, but not by much.
 
2014-03-14 08:58:05 AM  
Don't worry.  The internet will solve the mystery.

s1.ibtimes.com
 
2014-03-14 09:01:15 AM  

abhorrent1: Oh look, it's farks faux cause of the week.
Remember last week when everyone pretended to care about the Ukraine for a few days?

/good times


John Kerry and Obama drew a red line. So were all good.
 
2014-03-14 09:02:31 AM  

freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.


Wow! Thanks for sharing that!

Amazing! And funny about the guy taking an arrow to the thigh.
 
2014-03-14 09:08:18 AM  

schief2: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

That Pandit guy mentioned in the article wrote a book ('The Sentinelese'), short but fascinating. Unfortunately also a biatch to find.

<i>Other unintentional encounters include on August 2, 1981,a Hong Kong freighter navigating the choppy waters of the Bay of Bengal ran aground on a submerged coral reef. The ship, called the Primrose, was hopelessly stuck. The crew stayed on their boat for a few days, when the saw native people advancing towards their ship, armed with spears, bows and arrows .The captain made a distress call via radio and the crew were airlifted to safety by helicopter.

The last recorded contact with the Sentinelese was in 2006, when the Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies.</i>

Hard. Core.


Well, the next helicopter they send, should be a military one, with a 20mm Vulcan gun.  That would be perfect to give the old Sentinelese archers a taste of the 21st century.  Then, we'll see how "hard core" the survivors are.
 
2014-03-14 09:10:40 AM  
I thought they said that the plane flew for four hours and then had to redact it? now they are saying that it did again? this story gets weirder and weirder...
 
2014-03-14 09:10:58 AM  

Chris Ween: Mad Scientist: How do we know this plane even took off?   Even existed?!  Were you there?  WERE YOU THERE?!

There is no proof whatsoever these "passengers" existed except for the two Iranians. Its a CIA plot to help them disappear by claiming a plane with them went down. But have we seen anyone's birth certificates? No.


Thanks, Obama.
 
2014-03-14 09:12:31 AM  

zimbomba63: How come you never see travel brochures for North Sentinel Island? Sounds just like the type of place for people, who think taking hiking trips on the Iran-Iraq border is a good idea.


Off topic but those two morons were on NPR this morning. No one asked the obvious question of "Why in the farking fark were you idiots hiking in an foreign country where there are hostile people who would like to see you dead"?
 
2014-03-14 09:12:46 AM  
Thank you for flying Air Heisenburg.
 
2014-03-14 09:12:56 AM  

Danger Mouse: John Kerry and Obama drew a red line. So were all good.


Look who can't leave his ODS on the politics page.

Point and laugh, people.  Point and laugh.
 
2014-03-14 09:13:55 AM  

b0rscht: Thank you for flying Air Heisenburg.


Thanks for making fun of a cat-astrophe.
 
2014-03-14 09:14:16 AM  
I understand that Jimmy Hoffa has been added to the passenger manifest as investigators believe they will find him first.
 
2014-03-14 09:14:30 AM  

Headso: I thought they said that the plane flew for four hours and then had to redact it? now they are saying that it did again? this story gets weirder and weirder...


Now they are saying 5.5 hours.
 
2014-03-14 09:14:43 AM  

Deep Contact: Apparently this is why the plane was diverted to Andaman Islands.


 [mag.nobleandroyal.com image 640x427]


The blonde's legs appear to make 3/4's of her body, NTTAWWT.

I wonder if she's been getting any trunk action from old Jumbo.  It could explain why she appears to be in such loving mood.
 
2014-03-14 09:15:11 AM  

zimbomba63: schief2: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

That Pandit guy mentioned in the article wrote a book ('The Sentinelese'), short but fascinating. Unfortunately also a biatch to find.

<i>Other unintentional encounters include on August 2, 1981,a Hong Kong freighter navigating the choppy waters of the Bay of Bengal ran aground on a submerged coral reef. The ship, called the Primrose, was hopelessly stuck. The crew stayed on their boat for a few days, when the saw native people advancing towards their ship, armed with spears, bows and arrows .The captain made a distress call via radio and the crew were airlifted to safety by helicopter.

The last recorded contact with the Sentinelese was in 2006, when the Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies.</i>

Hard. Core.

Well, the next helicopter they send, should be a military one, with a 20mm Vulcan gun.  That would be perfect to give the old Sentinelese archers a taste of the 21st century.  Then, we'll see how "hard core" the survivors are.


When stone age people and Sentinelese archers  meet..
 
2014-03-14 09:15:58 AM  
I think there was a last minute scheduling change and they cancelled the flight, and they're just trying to avoid giving the passengers a refund.

All the passengers are still in line at the ticket counter trying to get rebooked or reimbursed, waiting for the one cranky and inefficient representative to come back from her smoke break.
 
2014-03-14 09:18:30 AM  

HooskerDoo: zimbomba63: How come you never see travel brochures for North Sentinel Island? Sounds just like the type of place for people, who think taking hiking trips on the Iran-Iraq border is a good idea.

Off topic but those two morons were on NPR this morning. No one asked the obvious question of "Why in the farking fark were you idiots hiking in an foreign country where there are hostile people who would like to see you dead"?


I missed that.  I listen to NPR and they can be a little too polite, for my tastes, sometimes.
 
2014-03-14 09:19:43 AM  
The facts are just baffling. I don't know what to make of this.

If the plane was diverted, you'd have to wonder to what end?

If it was for ransom, there's no demand.  If it was to resell the plane, you'd have to kill 200 people to do it.  Even the shadiest black marketer would pause over that.  If it was for pilot suicide, why bother turning off the transponders? If it was destroyed in a terrorist attack, there have been no claims of responsibility.

That leaves way-out there theories like it's been diverted for eventual use in a terrorist attack.  Even then though, why would no one from the plane make a cell phone call?  It was obvious they weren't on their regular route, but none of the crew or passengers called or texted someone to say "Hey, don't come to the airport to pick me up?"  Did someone collect all the phones?  That would imply an organized group that so far hasn't been indicated by the passenger manifest.  Even if a group depressurized the cabin in mid-flight, the oxygen masks should have dropped down.  It wouldn't have necessarily incapacitated all the passengers at once.

Or it could be some botched version of any of the above.  I suppose that includes an explosion or crash over open water in a way that did not create a visible debris field -- but I'm having trouble envisioning how that would happen.  I mean, it's taken years to find some wrecks in the water, but there was usually some immediate notion of where they were.
 
2014-03-14 09:21:38 AM  

HenryFnord: Tune in tomorrow when this theory will be disavowed.  Seriously, do you sheeple get it yet?  This is all just a big conspiracy by MSM to increase page views tourism! WAKE UP


FTFY
 
2014-03-14 09:22:36 AM  

freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.


t/y for the link - short and interesting

also made me wonder what would happen if a jet airliner full of people, luggage and phones dropped in....not to say that is my theory - but how very rich for imagination
 
2014-03-14 09:23:31 AM  
Adaman reporter:

"No plane here!"

/mobile link to news video, because i'm on my phone
 
2014-03-14 09:26:43 AM  

abhorrent1: Oh look, it's farks faux cause of the week.
Remember last week when everyone pretended to care about the Ukraine for a few days?

/good times


Ukraine threads are still all over Fark. You'd know that if you were paying attention instead of mocking others for not paying attention in a futile attempt to feel a little better about being you.

/But where's the fun in that?
 
2014-03-14 09:26:55 AM  
Didn't you all get the memo? Those 20 people who work for that semiconductor company and know all about RFID chips used in aeroplanes set up a cloaking device and hijacked it to China.
 
2014-03-14 09:27:54 AM  

cgraves67: veedeevadeevoodee: Is Dirk Pitt enroute?

You can bet a similar incident is going to feature prominently in one of Clive's novels within a year.


I have read a handful of the DP novels, starting with Raise the Titanic!  It would be impossible to have read all of them, but since he handed over the reins to someone else I don't have the interest in continuing.

On a side note it surprises me that this situation is possible in this day and age.  Granted this is Malaysia and not the US, UK, Germany, Russia, etc. but in an age when it seems like everything is monitored all the time I'm shocked a 777 can just disappear.
 
2014-03-14 09:28:09 AM  
I suppose it's possible they flew to the Andamans, but I can't conceive of how you'd conceal a landing.  There's only one airport, and while the runway is about three times longer than you need to safely set down a 777-200, a road runs across the middle so the locals would surely see it.  Details here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vir_Savarkar_Airport
 
2014-03-14 09:30:44 AM  

James Rieper: The facts are just baffling. I don't know what to make of this.

If the plane was diverted, you'd have to wonder to what end?

If it was for ransom, there's no demand.  If it was to resell the plane, you'd have to kill 200 people to do it.  Even the shadiest black marketer would pause over that.  If it was for pilot suicide, why bother turning off the transponders? If it was destroyed in a terrorist attack, there have been no claims of responsibility.

That leaves way-out there theories like it's been diverted for eventual use in a terrorist attack.  Even then though, why would no one from the plane make a cell phone call?  It was obvious they weren't on their regular route, but none of the crew or passengers called or texted someone to say "Hey, don't come to the airport to pick me up?"  Did someone collect all the phones?  That would imply an organized group that so far hasn't been indicated by the passenger manifest.  Even if a group depressurized the cabin in mid-flight, the oxygen masks should have dropped down.  It wouldn't have necessarily incapacitated all the passengers at once.

Or it could be some botched version of any of the above.  I suppose that includes an explosion or crash over open water in a way that did not create a visible debris field -- but I'm having trouble envisioning how that would happen.  I mean, it's taken years to find some wrecks in the water, but there was usually some immediate notion of where they were.


Cell phones? There probably aren't many cell towers in the water to carry the signals. Satellite phones on the other hand...
 
2014-03-14 09:30:58 AM  
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/seismic-event-close-miss i ng-jet-path-china-scientists-n52516

Seizmic event in the area.  May be unrelated though, that's a pretty active area for tremors.
 
2014-03-14 09:31:55 AM  

Bslim: LtDarkstar: Link farked already?  What a crappy server, is it running off an Atari 2600 or something?

You're thinking Atari 5200.


Now you've done it. Somebody now is going to start working on a NetBSD port to the Atari 2600. Wouldn't surprise me if someone already had, frankly. Or at least stuck some micro-ATX board into a 2600 case and said "Look! It's running Linux!".
 
2014-03-14 09:32:32 AM  
If you set aside the speculation and conspiracy theories and just focus on the facts, I think it's pretty clear what happened.

12:21 - MH370 Departs

1:07 - The pilot decide to commit suicide and turns off the transponder

1:17 - The Iranians with the stolen passports force their way into the cabin to hijack the plane, the instruct the pilot to disable the radio and turn the plane around

2:21 - Chinese separatist terrorists force their way into the cockpit and overpower the Iranians and the flight crew, they instruct the pilot to descend below radar.

2:48 - Mechanical failure in both engines causes loss of power. Shards of metal fly off and damage the tail

3:12 - A bomb planted by al Quaida explodes in the baggage compartment causing rapid depressurization of the cabin.

3:48 - Aliens arrive and abduct the passengers and crew. The plane is vaporized, which is why no wreckage has been found.
 
2014-03-14 09:33:30 AM  
I'm actually supprised some terrorist group that had nothing to do with it has not claimed responsibility just to get some attention.
 
2014-03-14 09:35:34 AM  

Ring of Fire: I'm actually supprised some terrorist group that had nothing to do with it has not claimed responsibility just to get some attention.


They have.  A Chinese group did (can't remember their name).  But nobody took them seriously.
 
2014-03-14 09:39:57 AM  

zimbomba63: schief2: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

That Pandit guy mentioned in the article wrote a book ('The Sentinelese'), short but fascinating. Unfortunately also a biatch to find.

<i>Other unintentional encounters include on August 2, 1981,a Hong Kong freighter navigating the choppy waters of the Bay of Bengal ran aground on a submerged coral reef. The ship, called the Primrose, was hopelessly stuck. The crew stayed on their boat for a few days, when the saw native people advancing towards their ship, armed with spears, bows and arrows .The captain made a distress call via radio and the crew were airlifted to safety by helicopter.

The last recorded contact with the Sentinelese was in 2006, when the Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies.</i>

Hard. Core.

Well, the next helicopter they send, should be a military one, with a 20mm Vulcan gun.  That would be perfect to give the old Sentinelese archers a taste of the 21st century.  Then, we'll see how "hard core" the survivors are.


I sometimes have encounters with people whose simple acts of human kindness restore my faith in the human species.  Woven into the multiple "missing jet" FARK threads is a recurring concern for the fate of the passengers/crew and their families.

Here is hoping this post is the most ugly thing I read, and that you proffer, today.

I'd ask "who peed in your cornflakes" but "you were reincarnated from the anthrax-laden blanket-giving American settlers, weren't you?" seems more fitting.
 
2014-03-14 09:42:11 AM  

Warthog: Ring of Fire: I'm actually supprised some terrorist group that had nothing to do with it has not claimed responsibility just to get some attention.

They have.  A Chinese group did (can't remember their name).  But nobody took them seriously.


I had not herd that, thanks. I figured there would be all kinds of groups comming out of the woodwork claiming responsibility.
As for where the plane is they seem to basically have it narrowed down to earth (probably).
 
2014-03-14 09:44:31 AM  
If only a Kennedy had been on this flight the entire military would have been mobilized to find it.  Plus the added benefit of one less Kennedy.
 
2014-03-14 09:45:21 AM  
What the what? Why did I never notice the existence of the Andaman Islands before? Those things are HUGE.
 
2014-03-14 09:45:45 AM  

parasol: I sometimes have encounters with people whose simple acts of human kindness restore my faith in the human species. Woven into the multiple "missing jet" FARK threads is a recurring concern for the fate of the passengers/crew and their families.

Here is hoping this post is the most ugly thing I read, and that you proffer, today.

I'd ask "who peed in your cornflakes" but "you were reincarnated from the anthrax-laden blanket-giving American settlers, weren't you?" seems more fitting.


I was tempted to post a Red Forman "dumbass" .jpg but decided that much like a petulant child trying to get attention, he deserved to be ignored.  I'm glad someone called him on it, though.
 
2014-03-14 09:46:30 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 09:47:45 AM  

Warthog: Ring of Fire: I'm actually supprised some terrorist group that had nothing to do with it has not claimed responsibility just to get some attention.

They have.  A Chinese group did (can't remember their name).  But nobody took them seriously.


That's got to be pretty depressing for them.
 
2014-03-14 09:48:00 AM  
50,000 malaysia threads and not one thread for the poor folks in Philadelphia or am i not seeing it since only 2 people went to the hospital one of them with an injury one with an "illness" maybe i remember malaysia because they cant find their ass without a map or a plane with their own radar
 
2014-03-14 09:48:19 AM  

nekom: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/missing-jet/seismic-event-close-miss i ng-jet-path-china-scientists-n52516

Seizmic event in the area.  May be unrelated though, that's a pretty active area for tremors.


I thought they where searching west of the Malay Peninsula, now they're east of it...again!
 
2014-03-14 09:49:05 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Is Dirk Pitt enroute?


Shut your whore mouth.  The only thing those novels are good for is propping up a couch.

The man wrote himself into his novel.  He named his son after the character.  And now the character spawned children somehow.

I am angry that I "read" his work.  I felt violated afterward.
 
2014-03-14 09:50:29 AM  
I am begining to think it's a botched hijacking and eventaully the crew/passengers were able to crash the plane a-la flight 93?
 
2014-03-14 09:50:37 AM  
this is the first I've heard of the semi-conductor techs on board.

that would be a weird angle here, but in the absence of any good leads that's interesting.

I know little un is nuts but would he risk the wrath of the chinese for something like that?
I have to think that NK would be busted down hard by their neighbors if they got caught hijacking their citizens.

this is quite the mystery.
 
2014-03-14 09:52:33 AM  

mjbok: If only a Kennedy had been on this flight the entire military would have been mobilized to find it.  Plus the added benefit of one less Kennedy.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-14 09:52:48 AM  
So, Andaman islands. I guess we can now assume that the passengers sleep with the elephants.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2014-03-14 09:52:53 AM  

ummhima2: 50,000 malaysia threads and not one thread for the poor folks in Philadelphia or am i not seeing it since only 2 people went to the hospital one of them with an injury one with an "illness" maybe i remember malaysia because they cant find their ass without a map or a plane with their own radar


There was one, if that helps ease your mind - I think the headline was "Its a Bad Week to be a Plane"
 
2014-03-14 09:53:32 AM  

ummhima2: 50,000 malaysia threads and not one thread for the poor folks in Philadelphia or am i not seeing it since only 2 people went to the hospital one of them with an injury one with an "illness" maybe i remember malaysia because they cant find their ass without a map or a plane with their own radar


Those poor folks in Philly went through what amounts to a bus accident.  And there was a thread last night.
 
2014-03-14 09:57:32 AM  

unexplained bacon: mjbok: If only a Kennedy had been on this flight the entire military would have been mobilized to find it.  Plus the added benefit of one less Kennedy.

[img.fark.net image 287x175]


Given that there's a good chance this crashed, I wouldn't be surprised if a Kennedy was the pilot.
 
2014-03-14 10:01:13 AM  
Start blanketing the world with this.  We'll find it quicker than a lost pet!

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-14 10:02:40 AM  

Danger Mouse: unexplained bacon: mjbok: If only a Kennedy had been on this flight the entire military would have been mobilized to find it.  Plus the added benefit of one less Kennedy.

[img.fark.net image 287x175]

Given that there's a good chance this crashed, I wouldn't be surprised if a Kennedy was the pilot.


At least you'd know it was in the water.
 
2014-03-14 10:03:22 AM  
Last seen headed towards Iran ?
 
2014-03-14 10:04:13 AM  
I'm telling ya, its in North Korea.
 
2014-03-14 10:04:31 AM  
I bet somebody tried to make a cell phone call from the plane.

/Let that be a lesson to the rest of you
 
2014-03-14 10:06:12 AM  

freetomato: parasol: I sometimes have encounters with people whose simple acts of human kindness restore my faith in the human species. Woven into the multiple "missing jet" FARK threads is a recurring concern for the fate of the passengers/crew and their families.

Here is hoping this post is the most ugly thing I read, and that you proffer, today.

I'd ask "who peed in your cornflakes" but "you were reincarnated from the anthrax-laden blanket-giving American settlers, weren't you?" seems more fitting.

I was tempted to post a Red Forman "dumbass" .jpg but decided that much like a petulant child trying to get attention, he deserved to be ignored.  I'm glad someone called him on it, though.


I started to write sometning but had to give up on it.

suffice to say, if those peoples have been isolated for some 60k years, there is absolutly no gentic diversity going on there, and island full of retarded flipper babies. the last time people got to the island and the natives hid, two their elders died, and the childern that came back probably were carrying with them the same deseases that killed the elders, resulting in a plague that wiped out the majority of the population. outsiders meen DEATH, keep them away.
 
2014-03-14 10:08:01 AM  

Warthog: ummhima2: 50,000 malaysia threads and not one thread for the poor folks in Philadelphia or am i not seeing it since only 2 people went to the hospital one of them with an injury one with an "illness" maybe i remember malaysia because they cant find their ass without a map or a plane with their own radar

Those poor folks in Philly went through what amounts to a bus accident.  And there was a thread last night.


and i hear it delayed their poor poor poor vacations to floriduh
 
2014-03-14 10:11:48 AM  
i.imgur.com

From that flight path, I assume the hijackers were drunk.  Any of you Farkers want to confess?
 
2014-03-14 10:13:02 AM  

ummhima2: yes any foreign government has the ability to request help from the us in investigating a crash.  In the case of a us citizen killed in a terrorist attack or suspected terrorist attack the fbi would be able to investigate with technical assistance from the ntsb.

i believe that any foreign government can request assistance from the us in the event of disaster at least humanitarian assistance.  i would not be surprised if the us is sending other ships to the new search area like subs for the sonar and a hospital ship or other ship that could do forensic investigations during a mass casualty incident

think about all the hurricanes typhoons and earthquakes like the one in the Philippines recently


Every Navy ship is a bit of a "hospital ship", and most have helicopter decks to airlift people out to get specialized help.  The dedicated hospital ships that you are thinking about take a long time to get spooled up for a deployment and would not be activated to go help patients that probably do not exist at the destination.
 
2014-03-14 10:17:17 AM  

parasol: zimbomba63: schief2: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

That Pandit guy mentioned in the article wrote a book ('The Sentinelese'), short but fascinating. Unfortunately also a biatch to find.

<i>Other unintentional encounters include on August 2, 1981,a Hong Kong freighter navigating the choppy waters of the Bay of Bengal ran aground on a submerged coral reef. The ship, called the Primrose, was hopelessly stuck. The crew stayed on their boat for a few days, when the saw native people advancing towards their ship, armed with spears, bows and arrows .The captain made a distress call via radio and the crew were airlifted to safety by helicopter.

The last recorded contact with the Sentinelese was in 2006, when the Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies.</i>

Hard. Core.

Well, the next helicopter they send, should be a military one, with a 20mm Vulcan gun.  That would be perfect to give the old Sentinelese archers a taste of the 21st century.  Then, we'll see how "hard core" the survivors are.

I sometimes have encounters with people whose simple acts of human kindness restore my faith in the human species.  Woven into the multiple "missing jet" FARK threads is a recurring concern for the fate of the passengers/crew and their families.

Here is hoping this post is the most ugly thing I read, and that you proffer, today.

I'd ask "who peed in your cornflakes" but "you were reincarnated from the anthrax-laden blanket-giving American settlers, weren't you?" seems more fitting.


Excuse me!  I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.  The helicopter thing.  Simply, the pastoral people misunderstanding the intentions of the aggressive helicopter, which was attempting to aggressively retrieve the bodies of the fishermen.  The islanders might have thought it was there to aggressively take their sacred mojo away or something, so their violence was perfectly acceptable. Where there any white guys involved?  Ah, then you can sit back and with a satisfied look, because it's RACISM.  And if there weren't any white guys involved, well maybe, they built the helicopter, so naturally, RACISM.

Anthrax!  I thought the myth said it was smallpox?  American settlers!  I thought the myth said it was a British officer?  How am I to feel chastised, when you can even get your accusatory myths correct?  You need to up your game.
 
2014-03-14 10:18:35 AM  

zimbomba63: Well, the next helicopter they send, should be a military one, with a 20mm Vulcan gun. That would be perfect to give the old Sentinelese archers a taste of the 21st century. Then, we'll see how "hard core" the survivors are.


That doesn't always work out so well.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2014-03-14 10:22:13 AM  
most naval vessels are not equipped to forensically process 239 deceased people at the same time or to handle that many survivors at once with the traumatic injuries you would expect from a crash then you would have to deal with the death and burial rituals associated with the range of religious beliefs of the families on board

hospital ships can in most cases provide critical and surgical care to hundreds at once plus they can be used as a base for humanitarian needs during a major search

the point is to take the hospital to the survivors wherever they are so that they can get care as quickly as possible like we did in the Philippines
 
2014-03-14 10:22:56 AM  

Shepherd: [i.imgur.com image 500x300]

From that flight path, I assume the hijackers were drunk.  Any of you Farkers want to confess?


Welcome aboird Curtis Airlines. I'm Drew I'll be your....captain, yea captian  and today we'll be trying to fly over...there,  in that... direction, probably in the air...at some point. Is this thing on? Waitress can you secure the cabin?....Did anyone see my keys... (groping sounds...female giggling....mic goes dead)
 
2014-03-14 10:26:40 AM  
zimbomba63:

Excuse me!  I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.  The helicopter thing.  Simply, the pastoral people misunderstanding the intentions of the aggressive helicopter, which was attempting to aggressively retrieve the bodies of the fishermen.  The islanders might have thought it was there to aggressively take their sacred mojo away or something, so their violence was perfectly acceptable. Where there any white guys involved?  Ah, then you can sit back and with a satisfied look, because it's RACISM.  And if there weren't any white guys involved, well maybe, they built the helicopter, so naturally, RACISM.
Anthrax!  I thought the myth said it was smallpox?  American settlers!  I thought the myth said it was a British officer?  How am I to feel chastised, when you can even get your accusatory myths correct?  You need to up your game.


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-14 10:26:56 AM  

Tennessee Slim: zimbomba63: Well, the next helicopter they send, should be a military one, with a 20mm Vulcan gun. That would be perfect to give the old Sentinelese archers a taste of the 21st century. Then, we'll see how "hard core" the survivors are.

That doesn't always work out so well.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 320x200]


I thought you would use the one where the guy uses a spear to destroy the Panther tank.
 
2014-03-14 10:27:39 AM  
Rip Riley is on the job.

img3.wikia.nocookie.net

This had better not be a ruse.
 
2014-03-14 10:29:09 AM  

Snort: I'm telling ya, its in North Korea.


And you really think they could keep quiet about it, if they pulled this off?
 
2014-03-14 10:30:10 AM  

zimbomba63: parasol: zimbomba63: schief2: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

That Pandit guy mentioned in the article wrote a book ('The Sentinelese'), short but fascinating. Unfortunately also a biatch to find.

<i>Other unintentional encounters include on August 2, 1981,a Hong Kong freighter navigating the choppy waters of the Bay of Bengal ran aground on a submerged coral reef. The ship, called the Primrose, was hopelessly stuck. The crew stayed on their boat for a few days, when the saw native people advancing towards their ship, armed with spears, bows and arrows .The captain made a distress call via radio and the crew were airlifted to safety by helicopter.

The last recorded contact with the Sentinelese was in 2006, when the Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies.</i>

Hard. Core.

Well, the next helicopter they send, should be a military one, with a 20mm Vulcan gun.  That would be perfect to give the old Sentinelese archers a taste of the 21st century.  Then, we'll see how "hard core" the survivors are.

I sometimes have encounters with people whose simple acts of human kindness restore my faith in the human species.  Woven into the multiple "missing jet" FARK threads is a recurring concern for the fate of the passengers/crew and their families.

Here is hoping this post is the most ugly thing I read, and that you proffer, today.

I'd ask "who peed in your cornflakes" but "you were reincarnated from the anthrax-laden blanket-giving American settlers, weren't you?" seems more fitting.

Excuse me!  I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.  The helicopter thing.  Simply, th ...


Oh - I misunderstood - someone DID pee in your cornflakes.....
 
2014-03-14 10:33:46 AM  

Snort: I'm telling ya, its in North Korea.


well if someone did steal the plane and its passengers I'd certainly say that a weird thing to do...and NK is about as weird as it gets.

I still don't see what their angle could be though.

why would they do that?
 
2014-03-14 10:36:05 AM  

ummhima2: most naval vessels are not equipped to forensically process 239 deceased people at the same time or to handle that many survivors at once with the traumatic injuries you would expect from a crash then you would have to deal with the death and burial rituals associated with the range of religious beliefs of the families on board

hospital ships can in most cases provide critical and surgical care to hundreds at once plus they can be used as a base for humanitarian needs during a major search

the point is to take the hospital to the survivors wherever they are so that they can get care as quickly as possible like we did in the Philippines


Hospital ships don't do autopsies, and right now there aren't any survivors. The only reason to bring a hospital ship somewhere is a natural disaster that knocks out the shore-based facilities. And the Indian Navy is more than capable of handling something like this; the U.S. Navy isn't the only one in the world.

Indian Navy may deploy state-of-the art surveillance plane to assist in search.
 
2014-03-14 10:36:15 AM  

unexplained bacon: Snort: I'm telling ya, its in North Korea.

well if someone did steal the plane and its passengers I'd certainly say that a weird thing to do...and NK is about as weird as it gets.

I still don't see what their angle could be though.

why would they do that?


to feed Kim Jong Un, he needs to eat the people and the plane.
 
2014-03-14 10:38:52 AM  

freetomato: parasol: I sometimes have encounters with people whose simple acts of human kindness restore my faith in the human species. Woven into the multiple "missing jet" FARK threads is a recurring concern for the fate of the passengers/crew and their families.

Here is hoping this post is the most ugly thing I read, and that you proffer, today.

I'd ask "who peed in your cornflakes" but "you were reincarnated from the anthrax-laden blanket-giving American settlers, weren't you?" seems more fitting.

I was tempted to post a Red Forman "dumbass" .jpg but decided that much like a petulant child trying to get attention, he deserved to be ignored.  I'm glad someone called him on it, though.


TA-DA, third known "Ignore".  I'm completely dismissed and loving it.
 
2014-03-14 10:43:54 AM  

parasol: zimbomba63: parasol: zimbomba63: schief2: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

That Pandit guy mentioned in the article wrote a book ('The Sentinelese'), short but fascinating. Unfortunately also a biatch to find.

<i>Other unintentional encounters include on August 2, 1981,a Hong Kong freighter navigating the choppy waters of the Bay of Bengal ran aground on a submerged coral reef. The ship, called the Primrose, was hopelessly stuck. The crew stayed on their boat for a few days, when the saw native people advancing towards their ship, armed with spears, bows and arrows .The captain made a distress call via radio and the crew were airlifted to safety by helicopter.

The last recorded contact with the Sentinelese was in 2006, when the Sentinelese archers killed two fishermen who were fishing illegally within range of the island. The archers later drove off, with a hail of arrows, the helicopter that was sent to retrieve the bodies.</i>

Hard. Core.

Well, the next helicopter they send, should be a military one, with a 20mm Vulcan gun.  That would be perfect to give the old Sentinelese archers a taste of the 21st century.  Then, we'll see how "hard core" the survivors are.

I sometimes have encounters with people whose simple acts of human kindness restore my faith in the human species.  Woven into the multiple "missing jet" FARK threads is a recurring concern for the fate of the passengers/crew and their families.

Here is hoping this post is the most ugly thing I read, and that you proffer, today.

I'd ask "who peed in your cornflakes" but "you were reincarnated from the anthrax-laden blanket-giving American settlers, weren't you?" seems more fitting.

Excuse me!  I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.  The helicopter thing. ...


OK, that was a witty retort.  Anything else to add?  Some more mythology, maybe?
 
2014-03-14 10:44:25 AM  

ummhima2: most naval vessels are not equipped to forensically process 239 deceased people at the same time or to handle that many survivors at once with the traumatic injuries you would expect from a crash then you would have to deal with the death and burial rituals associated with the range of religious beliefs of the families on board

hospital ships can in most cases provide critical and surgical care to hundreds at once plus they can be used as a base for humanitarian needs during a major search

the point is to take the hospital to the survivors wherever they are so that they can get care as quickly as possible like we did in the Philippines


last I heard the hospital ship was stood down before it finished preparing to deploy, and still wouldn't have gotten there for about 2 weeks after the disaster...   We are 1 week into this one with much fewer people potentially needing help.  do the math.
 
2014-03-14 10:45:48 AM  

Headso: unexplained bacon: Snort: I'm telling ya, its in North Korea.

well if someone did steal the plane and its passengers I'd certainly say that a weird thing to do...and NK is about as weird as it gets.

I still don't see what their angle could be though.

why would they do that?

to feed Kim Jong Un, he needs to eat the people and the plane.


Most of the people on the plane are Chinese.  He'd be hungry again an hour later.
 
2014-03-14 10:48:53 AM  
I'm glad it's missing.  One less plane polluting the skies means Al Gore is Preznit.
 
2014-03-14 10:51:11 AM  

Lt. Cheese Weasel: I'm glad it's missing.  One less plane polluting the skies means Al Gore is Preznit.


That would have been a nice variation on the "This means X is president and Obama has to X" meme.
 
2014-03-14 10:52:14 AM  

James Rieper: If it was for pilot suicide, why bother turning off the transponders?


I'll bite.  Maybe it was for insurance reasons.  But I will hypothesize that if one was an aviation junkie, one would have followed stories that have all been reported here (Payne Stewart, AirFrance, etc).  And perhaps with a big enough ego, they would want to be like Amelia Earhart in that they wanted their disappearance to be shrouded in mystery, go down in history, etc.  So one might turn off the transponders and fly out to the vastness of the sea- knowing full well that it would take forever to find them.  I posit that perhaps the 5+ hours of additional flying time could be cold feet, or to throw people off even more.  They could have been flying in circles for all we know.
 
2014-03-14 10:52:51 AM  

zimbomba63: Excuse me!  I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope


I find it distressing that people who don't get what you're saying are trying to invalidate it through the sheer power of willful ignorance.
 
2014-03-14 10:53:02 AM  

HenryFnord: This is all just a big conspiracy by MSM to increase page views!


That's all any website is -- including Fark.  ...but you can show them!  Just burn your computer & unsubscribe from your service provider.  No more page views.
 
2014-03-14 10:53:58 AM  
Shepard:

Headso:
 unexplained bacon: Snort: I'm telling ya, its in North Korea.

well if someone did steal the plane and its passengers I'd certainly say that a weird thing to do...and NK is about as weird as it gets.

I still don't see what their angle could be though.

why would they do that?

to feed Kim Jong Un, he needs to eat the people and the plane.

Most of the people on the plane are Chinese.  He'd be hungry again an hour later.

S
o, North Koreans are actually the East Asian version of Reavers.
 
2014-03-14 10:58:01 AM  

ummhima2:


now the malay government and airline have opened themselves up to massive lawsuits for the delay that if they had asked for help sooner they might find survivors

i can hear the ambulance chasers already......a chance to sue a foreign government for wrongful death and what about the company that lost 20 employees


img.fark.net

Come on now.  Even a few days ago, I doubt there was a possibility of survivors. There's no way hijackers would keep that many hostages and if it crashed, I'm sure they were gone on impact.

 
2014-03-14 11:01:44 AM  

mbillips: ummhima2: most naval vessels are not equipped to forensically process 239 deceased people at the same time or to handle that many survivors at once with the traumatic injuries you would expect from a crash then you would have to deal with the death and burial rituals associated with the range of religious beliefs of the families on board

hospital ships can in most cases provide critical and surgical care to hundreds at once plus they can be used as a base for humanitarian needs during a major search

the point is to take the hospital to the survivors wherever they are so that they can get care as quickly as possible like we did in the Philippines

Hospital ships don't do autopsies, and right now there aren't any survivors. The only reason to bring a hospital ship somewhere is a natural disaster that knocks out the shore-based facilities. And the Indian Navy is more than capable of handling something like this; the U.S. Navy isn't the only one in the world.

Indian Navy may deploy state-of-the art surveillance plane to assist in search.


us navy had one in phillipines idiot that is flat out closer to the old search area

dumbass hospital ships provide critical and surgical care do you want to wait longer for the ship to get there just because you think india can do a better job would you voluntarily choose to wait ANY hospital ship would be valuable yes there is an indian naval base in the andaman islands but i doubt they have the LAND BASED INFRASTRUCTURE to provide the care needed or do you think all the little islands out there have the infrastructure needed hospital ships from any country are going to be better equipped to store a large number of bodies than a regular ship they also have laboratory facilities

it all goes to who is closer when it is found if it is found

there might be enough room for the families to travel back with their loved ones
 
2014-03-14 11:05:06 AM  

zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting. The helicopter thing. Simply, the pastoral people misunderstanding the intentions of the aggressive helicopter, which was attempting to aggressively retrieve the bodies of the fishermen.


There was no misunderstanding. Their lawn...you should get off it.

Alternatively, you could go in there and nuke the place from orbit if you wanted to be a total dick about it.

Or you could gas them and put them all to sleep and abduct a few for experiments before returning them. I'll bet they'd have some wild stories to tell the folks when they get back home!
 
2014-03-14 11:06:09 AM  

ummhima2: mbillips: ummhima2: most naval vessels are not equipped to forensically process 239 deceased people at the same time or to handle that many survivors at once with the traumatic injuries you would expect from a crash then you would have to deal with the death and burial rituals associated with the range of religious beliefs of the families on board

hospital ships can in most cases provide critical and surgical care to hundreds at once plus they can be used as a base for humanitarian needs during a major search

the point is to take the hospital to the survivors wherever they are so that they can get care as quickly as possible like we did in the Philippines

Hospital ships don't do autopsies, and right now there aren't any survivors. The only reason to bring a hospital ship somewhere is a natural disaster that knocks out the shore-based facilities. And the Indian Navy is more than capable of handling something like this; the U.S. Navy isn't the only one in the world.

Indian Navy may deploy state-of-the art surveillance plane to assist in search.

us navy had one in phillipines idiot that is flat out closer to the old search area

dumbass hospital ships provide critical and surgical care do you want to wait longer for the ship to get there just because you think india can do a better job would you voluntarily choose to wait ANY hospital ship would be valuable yes there is an indian naval base in the andaman islands but i doubt they have the LAND BASED INFRASTRUCTURE to provide the care needed or do you think all the little islands out there have the infrastructure needed hospital ships from any country are going to be better equipped to store a large number of bodies than a regular ship they also have laboratory facilities

it all goes to who is closer when it is found if it is found

there might be enough room for the families to travel back with their loved ones


If the plane crashed, there will not be bodies but pieces of bodies. Tiny pieces like skin and teeth. Its pretty gnarly. Probably won't need that much space to store the parts found.
 
2014-03-14 11:07:14 AM  
The idea of that plane flying on for four hours with everyone on board dead is both horrific and beautiful.  Just sailing away as part of a play unfolding in this stratospheric mausoleum.  Destined for the next few hours to wait for the inevitable and poetic plunge, ironically back through a height that would not have taken their lives.  But being not interested in this part of the sky either, continues on to embrace the salty sea and start the slow descent, finally to Earth.
 
2014-03-14 11:08:02 AM  

teenytinycornteeth: ummhima2:


now the malay government and airline have opened themselves up to massive lawsuits for the delay that if they had asked for help sooner they might find survivors

i can hear the ambulance chasers already......a chance to sue a foreign government for wrongful death and what about the company that lost 20 employees

[img.fark.net image 200x200]Come on now.  Even a few days ago, I doubt there was a possibility of survivors. There's no way hijackers would keep that many hostages and if it crashed, I'm sure they were gone on impact.


the joke of it is some lawyer out there is going to come along and say the passenger died because they werent found fast enough so lets sue everyone we can think of

there was little to no hope for survivors in this case at all falling from even a low altitude under radar tends to be fatal
 
2014-03-14 11:09:29 AM  

ummhima2: dumbass hospital ships provide critical and surgical care do you want to wait longer for the ship to get there just because you think india can do a better job would you voluntarily choose to wait ANY hospital ship would be valuable yes there is an indian naval base in the andaman islands but i doubt they have the LAND BASED INFRASTRUCTURE to provide the care needed or do you think all the little islands out there have the infrastructure needed hospital ships from any country are going to be better equipped to store a large number of bodies than a regular ship they also have laboratory facilities


Did you just have a stroke?
 
2014-03-14 11:13:59 AM  

teenytinycornteeth: ]Come on now.  Even a few days ago, I doubt there was a possibility of survivors. There's no way hijackers would keep that many hostages and if it crashed, I'm sure they were gone on impact.


There's exactly as much evidence that it landed safely as there is that it crashed.  That is, absolutely none.  It's got to be especially hellish on the families having to go through that roller coaster ride.  It's really hard to rule anything out at this point, but I now STRONGLY suspect foul play of some sort.  Who knows what some nefarious individual, who apparently knows enough about aviation to follow VORs and NDBs, might want to do with an airliner.
 
2014-03-14 11:14:31 AM  

trappedspirit: The idea of that plane flying on for four hours with everyone on board dead is both horrific and beautiful.  Just sailing away as part of a play unfolding in this stratospheric mausoleum.  Destined for the next few hours to wait for the inevitable and poetic plunge, ironically back through a height that would not have taken their lives.  But being not interested in this part of the sky either, continues on to embrace the salty sea and start the slow descent, finally to Earth.


www.troll.me
 
2014-03-14 11:17:35 AM  
24 hr news cycle BS.  Every new data point has a half life of 24hrs unless reaffirmed.  Been this way for years.
 
2014-03-14 11:20:18 AM  
zimbomba63:  OK, that was a witty retort.  Anything else to add?  Some more mythology, maybe?

Thank you.
It'd be a toss-up between Narcissus and Icarus.
 
2014-03-14 11:21:29 AM  

zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.


No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.
 
2014-03-14 11:25:59 AM  

SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.


The anthropologist in me would love to observe them but it sounds like it would have to be from afar, and that defeats the whole purpose.
 
2014-03-14 11:27:19 AM  

MechaPyx: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting. The helicopter thing. Simply, the pastoral people misunderstanding the intentions of the aggressive helicopter, which was attempting to aggressively retrieve the bodies of the fishermen.

There was no misunderstanding. Their lawn...you should get off it.

Alternatively, you could go in there and nuke the place from orbit if you wanted to be a total dick about it.

Or you could gas them and put them all to sleep and abduct a few for experiments before returning them. I'll bet they'd have some wild stories to tell the folks when they get back home!


That's sort of a UFO, anal probey thing.  They won't be believed, "Why would they come all this distance to shove something up your butt!  Does that make any sense?"
 
2014-03-14 11:38:28 AM  
MechaPyx:

"...Or you could gas them and put them all to sleep and abduct a few for experiments before returning them. I'll bet they'd have some wild stories to tell the folks when they get back home!"


 A groggy native wakes up....."Hey Jumaji, does your butt hurt??!?!? Yea, mine too..."
 
2014-03-14 11:44:27 AM  

zimbomba63: MechaPyx: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting. The helicopter thing. Simply, the pastoral people misunderstanding the intentions of the aggressive helicopter, which was attempting to aggressively retrieve the bodies of the fishermen.

There was no misunderstanding. Their lawn...you should get off it.

Alternatively, you could go in there and nuke the place from orbit if you wanted to be a total dick about it.

Or you could gas them and put them all to sleep and abduct a few for experiments before returning them. I'll bet they'd have some wild stories to tell the folks when they get back home!

That's sort of a UFO, anal probey thing.  They won't be believed, "Why would they come all this distance to shove something up your butt!  Does that make any sense?"


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'But they'd all be ready for some payback, when we need them.
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2014-03-14 11:47:16 AM  

raerae1980: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

The anthropologist in me would love to observe them but it sounds like it would have to be from afar, and that defeats the whole purpose.


I agree, it'd be fascinating to learn how they live, why they're so hostile and so on.  I'd especially like to know how they 'explain' helicopters and motorized boats and such.  But we've got no right to invade them, and right now it seems like that'd be the only way to get in there without being killed.

The pure scientist in me would love to try experiments, though -- like have an armored helicopter fly in, drop a small package containing some items they can't make themselves but might be able to use (say, a mirror, a folding knife, and some fresh beef) and leave, and then we watch from afar to see what they do with it.  Probably just destroy it, but maybe not; maybe they'd do something that would give us some insight into how they think or how they organize their society.  Maybe it'd even convince them to be less hostile.  Or, make a cargo cult out of them, as they try to make the great noisy metal god with pale people in its transparent belly come back and give them more stuff.

Then, of course, the rest of me points out the massive ethical concerns with making unwitting experimental subjects out of an uncontacted tribe which just seems to want us to stay the hell away from them.  And that they're no doubt already used to the detritus of our civilization washing up on their shores in trash form anyway.
 
2014-03-14 11:48:56 AM  
My cousin keeps telling me it was stolen and hidden in the jungle or a hanger somewhere.
 
2014-03-14 11:51:10 AM  

James Rieper: Even then though, why would no one from the plane make a cell phone call?


Cell phones are magic and work anywhere in the world, always.
 
2014-03-14 11:53:13 AM  
What - no one notices the 'font color red' part of the URL?
 
2014-03-14 11:58:29 AM  

ummhima2: us navy had one in phillipines idiot that is flat out closer to the old search area


Ouch!  Not a good time to be a pinoy idiot.
 
2014-03-14 11:58:48 AM  

zimbomba63: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

It's the first time China's ever heard of the Andaman Islands, too.  Plus, they just claimed that the islands have always been Chinese territory.


dude! this is getting really old. Don't you have some chinamen to hang in your backyard?
 
2014-03-14 12:07:40 PM  

zimbomba63: That's sort of a UFO, anal probey thing.  They won't be believed, "Why would they come all this distance to shove something up your butt!  Does that make any sense?"


A complete and thorough analysis and categorization of your gut flora says more than you know.
 
2014-03-14 12:08:56 PM  

freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.


An Andaman islander (from the island with the penal colony) is a character in The Sign of the Four, the second Sherlock Holmes novel.  Also, Holmes shoots up on the first page.

http://www.sandroid.org/GutenMark/wasftp.GutenMark/MarkedTexts/sign4 10 .pdf
 
2014-03-14 12:13:43 PM  

SpaceButler: raerae1980: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

The anthropologist in me would love to observe them but it sounds like it would have to be from afar, and that defeats the whole purpose.

I agree, it'd be fascinating to learn how they live, why they're so hostile and so on.  I'd especially like to know how they 'explain' helicopters and motorized boats and such.  But we've got no right to invade them, and right now it seems like that'd be the only way to get in there without being killed.

The pure scientist in me would love to try experiments, though -- like have an armored helicopter fly in, drop a small package containing some items they can't make themselves but might be able to use (say, a mirror, a folding knife, and some fresh beef) and leave, and then we watch from afar to see what they do with it.  Probably just destroy it, but maybe not; maybe they'd do something that would give us some insight into how they think or how they organize their society.  Maybe it'd even convince them to be less hostile.  Or, make a cargo cult out of them, as they try to make the great noisy metal god with pale people in its transparent belly come back and give them more stuff.

Then, of course, the rest of me points out the massive ethical concerns with making unwitting experim ...


Yeah, but what about the Prime Directive?
 
2014-03-14 12:24:31 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: zimbomba63: freetomato: Until a couple of weeks ago, I'd never heard of the Andaman Islands.  I saw this recently, and am now pretty fascinated.

It's the first time China's ever heard of the Andaman Islands, too.  Plus, they just claimed that the islands have always been Chinese territory.

dude! this is getting really old. Don't you have some chinamen to hang in your backyard?


The deep end, you're going off it. I've got nothing against the Chinese, if fact, I took several semesters of Chinese history in school, because there was a hole in my understand of world history, in that area.  This was back in the mid-70's when China was still closed.  I don't want to sound as if I was prescient, but, looking around I thought China was going to be a big thing in the future (I never realized that it was going to be a "big thing", so damn quickly).  In fact, during my "Ancient Chinese History" class, China open its borders to limited foreign visitation, around the Spring of 1976 IIRC.  My professor, a dedicated Moaist, walked into class one morning and said he was leaving for China that week and we should do our readings and work on our papers, and he would be back in about 4 weeks.  He came back with a glowing description of the workers paradise, that China was at the time.  I wonder what his feelings are concerning modern China.

As far as things getting old, the Chinese government has laid claim to just about everything in the Pacific. I thought they may be branching out into the Indian Ocean.
 
2014-03-14 12:25:19 PM  

SpaceButler: raerae1980: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

The anthropologist in me would love to observe them but it sounds like it would have to be from afar, and that defeats the whole purpose.

I agree, it'd be fascinating to learn how they live, why they're so hostile and so on.  I'd especially like to know how they 'explain' helicopters and motorized boats and such.  But we've got no right to invade them, and right now it seems like that'd be the only way to get in there without being killed.

The pure scientist in me would love to try experiments, though -- like have an armored helicopter fly in, drop a small package containing some items they can't make themselves but might be able to use (say, a mirror, a folding knife, and some fresh beef) and leave, and then we watch from afar to see what they do with it.  Probably just destroy it, but maybe not; maybe they'd do something that would give us some insight into how they think or how they organize their society.  Maybe it'd even convince them to be less hostile.  Or, make a cargo cult out of them, as they try to make the great noisy metal god with pale people in its transparent belly come back and give them more stuff.

Then, of course, the rest of me points out the massive ethical concerns with making unwitting experimental subjects out of an uncontacted tribe which just seems to want us to stay the hell away from them.  And that they're no doubt already used to the detritus of our civilization washing up on their shores in trash form anyway.


they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.
 
2014-03-14 12:30:58 PM  

SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.


From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.
 
2014-03-14 12:37:59 PM  

ummhima2: mbillips: ummhima2: most naval vessels are not equipped to forensically process 239 deceased people at the same time or to handle that many survivors at once with the traumatic injuries you would expect from a crash then you would have to deal with the death and burial rituals associated with the range of religious beliefs of the families on board

hospital ships can in most cases provide critical and surgical care to hundreds at once plus they can be used as a base for humanitarian needs during a major search

the point is to take the hospital to the survivors wherever they are so that they can get care as quickly as possible like we did in the Philippines

Hospital ships don't do autopsies, and right now there aren't any survivors. The only reason to bring a hospital ship somewhere is a natural disaster that knocks out the shore-based facilities. And the Indian Navy is more than capable of handling something like this; the U.S. Navy isn't the only one in the world.

Indian Navy may deploy state-of-the art surveillance plane to assist in search.

us navy had one in phillipines idiot that is flat out closer to the old search area

dumbass hospital ships provide critical and surgical care do you want to wait longer for the ship to get there just because you think india can do a better job would you voluntarily choose to wait ANY hospital ship would be valuable yes there is an indian naval base in the andaman islands but i doubt they have the LAND BASED INFRASTRUCTURE to provide the care needed or do you think all the little islands out there have the infrastructure needed hospital ships from any country are going to be better equipped to store a large number of bodies than a regular ship they also have laboratory facilities

it all goes to who is closer when it is found if it is found

there might be enough room for the families to travel back with their loved ones


If the plane crashed in the ocean, there are no "large number of bodies" there's "a very large number of tiny body parts".  Read up on the Swissair 111 tragedy, fishermen were not recovering bodies, they were scooping up bits of flesh with nets.

Also, there are things like international rules that have to be followed.  The US Navy hospital ship is still a military ship.  It can't navigate Malaysian territorial waters without Malaysia's permission, nor can it do any "work" without the US navy sailors getting work visas to work in Malaysia.  this may sound stupid, but it's the truth.  In 2005, the Canadian Navy has a ship waiting for US State Secretary Rice to come back from a week-end shopping spree to give them permission to dock and start purifying water  for NOLA.  Had they not waited, it would have technically been an military invasion.

Third, look at a map.  the Indian mainland is a lot closer to the Andaman Islands than the Philipines.

Finally, as of last week, the USNS Mercy was in San Diego, CA.  Just a tad too far to be of any use.
 
2014-03-14 12:40:32 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Damn, if those poor bastards had the misfortune to crash land on or just off of North Sentinel island (part of the Andaman Island chain), the surviving passenger and crew have either been stabbed to death or eaten by the local tribesmen.


"An expedition led by Maurice Vidal Portman, a government administrator who hoped to research the natives and their customs, accomplished a successful landing on North Sentinel Island in January 1880. The group found a network of pathways and several small, abandoned villages. After several days, six Sentinelese were captured and taken to Port Blair. They soon became sick, and two of them died. The other four were returned to the island"


My God, Westerners have always been sneaky bastards.

North Sentinel is lucky to still be populated.
 
2014-03-14 12:49:24 PM  

BigNumber12: North Sentinel is lucky to still be populated.


I wonder how they deal with in-breeding.  TFA states that they are probably descendents fromt he first peoples out of Africa, so it means they DNS must have been relatively diverse to begin with, but still...  60 000 years of inbreeding must have caused some interresting recessive genes to bubble up to the top.
 
2014-03-14 12:49:45 PM  

danielscissorhands: Amazing! And funny about the guy taking an arrow to the thigh.


No more adventuring for him.

img.fark.net
 
2014-03-14 12:52:15 PM  
Are there any islands in that area with old, abandoned WW2 airbases?
 
2014-03-14 01:07:43 PM  
 
2014-03-14 01:14:02 PM  

Mad Scientist: Snort: I'm telling ya, its in North Korea.

And you really think they could keep quiet about it, if they pulled this off?



I heard that they'd tried to call the Malaysians to claim responsibility, but no-one could remember where they put the phone.
Oh, and then the Malays had to get all uppity and cancel their AOL account.
 
2014-03-14 01:20:41 PM  

veedeevadeevoodee: Is Dirk Pitt enroute?


He just picked up a boat from NUMA, and is talking to a older gentleman about his rare car.
 
2014-03-14 01:34:11 PM  
Have they searched eBay or Craigslist?
 
2014-03-14 02:06:44 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.


I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?
 
2014-03-14 02:16:50 PM  

zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.


Fair enough; what I should have said is that it would make any chance of future peaceful contact with them even more remote than it already is.  We outsiders would be confirming to them that we're as dangerous as they already seem to believe, if not more so.  And in exchange for that, we would gain.. well, nothing useful that I can see.  Teaching them to be scared of helicopters wouldn't make things any better for any future people who end up shipwrecked on their shores.
 
2014-03-14 02:23:27 PM  

SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?


It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.
 
2014-03-14 02:27:07 PM  

Flab: BigNumber12: North Sentinel is lucky to still be populated.

I wonder how they deal with in-breeding.  TFA states that they are probably descendents fromt he first peoples out of Africa, so it means they DNS must have been relatively diverse to begin with, but still...  60 000 years of inbreeding must have caused some interresting recessive genes to bubble up to the top.


If I remember correctly, you only need something like 50 people to keep inbreeding from happening.

How big is the island?
 
2014-03-14 02:33:06 PM  

shortymac: Flab: BigNumber12: North Sentinel is lucky to still be populated.

I wonder how they deal with in-breeding.  TFA states that they are probably descendents fromt he first peoples out of Africa, so it means they DNS must have been relatively diverse to begin with, but still...  60 000 years of inbreeding must have caused some interresting recessive genes to bubble up to the top.

If I remember correctly, you only need something like 50 people to keep inbreeding from happening.


Ah, Possible.  I'm not a biologist.  I do know that some recessive genes are a problem in close-knit communities, like hassidic jews, or the residents of Pit Cairns, for example.

How big is the island?

According to freetomato's article, 1 Manhattan.  (Which is, of course, the SI unit for islands)
 
2014-03-14 02:34:47 PM  

shortymac: If I remember correctly, you only need something like 50 people to keep inbreeding from happening


Yeah, but it only takes two to tango.  amirite?
 
2014-03-14 02:35:06 PM  
Also, holy typos Batman.  I can't believe I wrote this:

Flab: so it means they DNS must have been


and even re-read it twice and didn't notice the egregious errors.
 
2014-03-14 02:36:16 PM  

Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.


Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.
 
2014-03-14 03:06:48 PM  
CNN now says it might have been a lithium battery fire.  Tomorrow on CNN:  it wasn't lithium batteries.
 
2014-03-14 03:07:00 PM  

SpaceButler: zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.

Fair enough; what I should have said is that it would make any chance of future peaceful contact with them even more remote than it already is.  We outsiders would be confirming to them that we're as dangerous as they already seem to believe, if not more so.  And in exchange for that, we would gain.. well, nothing useful that I can see.  Teaching them to be scared of helicopters wouldn't make things any better for any future people who end up shipwrecked on their shores.


OK, I got a little carried away with the blasting them, but, a nice demonstration shoot would get their attention.  They just might think twice about killing outsiders who fall into their hands.  A Vulcan gun makes for a very impressive show for Westerners. I know, I've fired one.  For the islanders, who are a bit farther down the technology scale, it would be very, very, very impressive, particularly a night fire.

I'm reminded of a documentary, about Australian explorers/surveyors in New Guinea, some time after WWII. They went into areas where the tribesmen had not seen Europeans during the war, so they were the first white guys they had ever seen.  The Australians were so different, they, of course, had to be gods.  The tribesmen treated them with all due respect.  As we all know, a god's shiat doesn't stink and the tribesmen soon learned that the Australians shiat did stink.  After figuring out that these white guys weren't gods, merely some outsiders who happened to be white, things started to get a little tense.  The Australians, who had rifles with them, decided they had to calm things down a bit, with a "demonstration".  They had the tribesmen bring a pig to an open area and had the whole village stand around.  One of the Australians then put a bullet through the pig's head, and voila, friendly relations returned, just like that.  The Australians did what they came to do.  The tribesmen had some new, if disturbing, experiences with the wider world.  And nobody got hurt, except the pig, but, it didn't die in vain.
 
2014-03-14 03:13:14 PM  

SpaceButler: Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.

Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.


Keep in mind, what I wrote is just speculation on my part. but I don't think that specualtion is too far off base.
 
2014-03-14 03:52:55 PM  

Ghastly: Are there any islands in that area with old, abandoned WW2 airbases?


I saw that Scooby Doo! It was the old caretaker all along!
 
2014-03-14 04:15:18 PM  

zimbomba63: OK, I got a little carried away with the blasting them, but, a nice demonstration shoot would get their attention. They just might think twice about killing outsiders who fall into their hands. A Vulcan gun makes for a very impressive show for Westerners. I know, I've fired one. For the islanders, who are a bit farther down the technology scale, it would be very, very, very impressive, particularly a night fire.

I'm reminded of a documentary, about Australian explorers/surveyors in New Guinea, some time after WWII. They went into areas where the tribesmen had not seen Europeans during the war, so they were the first white guys they had ever seen. The Australians were so different, they, of course, had to be gods. The tribesmen treated them with all due respect. As we all know, a god's shiat doesn't stink and the tribesmen soon learned that the Australians shiat did stink. After figuring out that these white guys weren't gods, merely some outsiders who happened to be white, things started to get a little tense. The Australians, who had rifles with them, decided they had to calm things down a bit, with a "demonstration". They had the tribesmen bring a pig to an open area and had the whole village stand around. One of the Australians then put a bullet through the pig's head, and voila, friendly relations returned, just like that. The Australians did what they came to do. The tribesmen had some new, if disturbing, experiences with the wider world. And nobody got hurt, except the pig, but, it didn't die in vain.


I see what you're going for, but I think this situation is different enough that it wouldn't work in the same way.  In your example, the tribespeople and the Australians were already living in proximity to each other, and encountering each other regularly.  And more to the point, it was one of the soldiers who had the gun that shot the pig.  The example was that they should respect or be afraid of the Australians, or at least of Australians with guns.

In the case of the Sentinelese, it's an isolated group with whom we have no regular contact.  Convincing them that helicopters are dangerous wouldn't be hard, but how would that change their reactions to actual human beings they encounter?  The only example we'd be providing is that they should be afraid of helicopters.  For that to work as a deterrent when they see shipwrecked people on their shore, they'd have to understand that we control the helicopters and will send them in that kind of situation.  But there's no guarantee that that's how they see things, and even if it is, the example could still produce the opposite effect -- they might just think they'd better kill the shipwreck survivors ASAP because then the helicopter would have no reason to come close.

I suppose we could more closely replicate the situation by staging a shipwreck on their shore to put some people with guns there, and have them fire warning shots before a helicopter or something comes and picks them up, but it seems to me like it's a lot safer and easier for everyone if we just leave the Sentinelese alone.
 
2014-03-14 04:37:59 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: If you set aside the speculation and conspiracy theories and just focus on the facts, I think it's pretty clear what happened.

12:21 - MH370 Departs

1:07 - The pilot decide to commit suicide and turns off the transponder

1:17 - The Iranians with the stolen passports force their way into the cabin to hijack the plane, the instruct the pilot to disable the radio and turn the plane around

2:21 - Chinese separatist terrorists force their way into the cockpit and overpower the Iranians and the flight crew, they instruct the pilot to descend below radar.

2:48 - Mechanical failure in both engines causes loss of power. Shards of metal fly off and damage the tail

3:12 - A bomb planted by al Quaida explodes in the baggage compartment causing rapid depressurization of the cabin.

3:48 - Aliens arrive and abduct the passengers and crew. The plane is vaporized, which is why no wreckage has been found.



de.wallpapersus.com
/can you believe these amatures?
 
2014-03-14 04:40:06 PM  

Warthog: Ring of Fire: I'm actually supprised some terrorist group that had nothing to do with it has not claimed responsibility just to get some attention.

They have.   A Chinese group did (can't remember their name).  But nobody took them seriously.



nthmind.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-14 04:41:35 PM  

Cerebral Knievel: SpaceButler: Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.

Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.

Keep in mind, what I wrote is just speculation on my part. but I don't think that specualtion is too far off base.


Fair enough.  It does seem plausible, but I'm not sure it's necessary.  Just the fact that their only encounter with outsiders in recent generations ended with four people being abducted, only two of whom survived and returned, seems like enough reason to get hostile.
 
2014-03-14 04:52:19 PM  

SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: SpaceButler: Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.

Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.

Keep in mind, what I wrote is just speculation on my part. but I don't think that specualtion is too far off base.

Fair enough.  It does seem plausible, but I'm not sure it's necessary.  Just the fact that their only encounter with outsiders in recent generations ended with four people being abducted, only two of whom survived and returned, seems like enough reason to get hostile.


Especially of those that returned carried with them a sickness that killed a third (or whatever number) of the tribe.  They would soon learn that the People-Of-The-Metal-Pirogue are not to be approached under any circumstance.

Also this documentary is very interesting.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6I6L8b6mQs
 
2014-03-14 04:58:35 PM  

yellowjester: Have they searched eBay or Craigslist?


Here ya go.
 
2014-03-14 05:00:49 PM  
OK, here's what happened.

This is pilot suicide.  Well thought out, carefully planned pilot suicide.

The pilot in question -- don't know which -- is obviously familiar with previous pilot suicides (Egypt Air 990, SilkAir 185) and knows from those incidents that he must put crash the plane somewhere where the wreckage cannot be found.  Otherwise, the life insurance will not pay out and he, and perhaps his family, is shamed.

He must somehow take out the co-pilot.  He can take out the passengers and remaining crew, if that's in his plan, with oxygen deprivation.  But once he takes out the co-pilot, he has free run of things.

The flight transponder stops almost immediately after he leaves Malaysian control and bids them farewell, but before he gets into Vietnamese ATC control.  This is by careful design.  It provides the gap needed for him to make his course change and it also leads searchers to the wrong position to search.  What's more, this spot is over deep water, away from land.  Everyone will think to scour that area where the transponder stops at about 0107 local, thinking something catastrophic happened.  Which is exactly what happened.

But at that moment he heads west towards the Indian ocean to end it all in an area where the wreckage will be very hard to find -- the Mid-Indian range.

oi61.tinypic.com

The Mid-Indian basin is deep, but it's also too flat and wreckage would be easier to spot there.  But the Mid-Indian range is full of hills and crevices and finding wreckage in that area with no surface datum (flotsam) indicating a rough position would be nearly impossible. No wreckage, no proof of suicide, insurance pays out.

The pilot knew exactly when to shut off the transponder to maximize the time available to alter course without drawing immediate suspicion.  He shut down a remaining comms system later - perhaps after realizing it was on, or maybe it was timed to coincide with a glide time - who knows.  And perhaps he even realized that his airline did not subscribe to Rolls-Royce's automated data-link engine monitoring service, but he never realized that that automated service still pinged the satellite every hour or so and that is why the Navies of that region (and the US Navy) are heading into the Indian Ocean to search.  And they're going to find that plane on the Mid-Indian Range.

Anyway, that's my guess.
 
2014-03-14 05:01:01 PM  

SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: SpaceButler: Flab: SpaceButler: Cerebral Knievel: they're most likely not that much disimular from other tribal groups out there historicly. but, like how I pointed out earlier, the last time that contact with outsiders, two elders were taken along with two childern, the elders died of western desease. the childern were returned, but, they were most likely carrying the new desease with them, then they spread it to the other islanders resulting in a plague that wiped out a good deal of the population..

after that incident, they went from hiding in the jungle from strangers to activly driving them off.

I'm not familiar with that incident - do you have a good link on it?

It's mentioned in the link provided by freetomato, above.  Although what happened after the kids were returned, isn't.

Ah, thanks.  I'll see if I can google up a little more info on what happened after once I get home from work.

Keep in mind, what I wrote is just speculation on my part. but I don't think that specualtion is too far off base.

Fair enough.  It does seem plausible, but I'm not sure it's necessary.  Just the fact that their only encounter with outsiders in recent generations ended with four people being abducted, only two of whom survived and returned, seems like enough reason to get hostile.


absolutly, for some reason, the history of the various Pacific islands, and thier inhabitents facinate me. cargo cults, all that crazy shiat. I havent really heard of this place before today either, so I'll be looking up further info as I can find it when I'm not mobile
 
2014-03-14 05:31:42 PM  

BigNumber12: danielscissorhands: Amazing! And funny about the guy taking an arrow to the thigh.

No more adventuring for him.

[img.fark.net image 200x200]


I must confess, I didn't actually know where the meme was from until I finally got around to Googling it just now.

For anyone who didn't know.
 
2014-03-14 07:17:19 PM  
It just so happens that the copilot was a big fan of American television. He among many others were very impressed with the drama True Detective. But as the series wore on, the character of Rustin Cohle began to trouble him. He decided to send fan letters to Matthew McConaughey, asking him how much of Cohle's philosophy he believed. He started confiding in these one-way missives a myriad of thoughts on the nature of the universe he had not considered before - emergent oppressive truths... that the Universe was not uncaring or unfeeling, but instead pestilential and inimical. He shared his realization that the interstellar aeons hungered for humanity's myriad bits of flesh and spirit, and it was only a matter of time before the horrors of the Outside spread globally across the planet. Receiving no reply, he lapsed into despondency. A new thought emerged... a plan; the hardest part would be taking out the pilot and long time friend...

Mr. McConaughey, like the rest of the world, was caught up in this alarming situation with the missing jet liner. He sat down one night to once again watch television coverage of the speculation and breaks in the case, when he absently began pawing through his copious amounts of unread letters. One letter caught his eye...

Now, embarrassed by the ravings of an obsessed fan, the McConaissance soldiers on, an actor's mask hiding the pain of his new-found knowledge.

At least, that's what Sylvia Brown told me.
 
2014-03-14 08:30:05 PM  

lifeboat: OK, here's what happened.

This is pilot suicide.  Well thought out, carefully planned pilot suicide.

The pilot in question -- don't know which -- is obviously familiar with previous pilot suicides (Egypt Air 990, SilkAir 185) and knows from those incidents that he must put crash the plane somewhere where the wreckage cannot be found.  Otherwise, the life insurance will not pay out and he, and perhaps his family, is shamed.

He must somehow take out the co-pilot.  He can take out the passengers and remaining crew, if that's in his plan, with oxygen deprivation.  But once he takes out the co-pilot, he has free run of things.

The flight transponder stops almost immediately after he leaves Malaysian control and bids them farewell, but before he gets into Vietnamese ATC control.  This is by careful design.  It provides the gap needed for him to make his course change and it also leads searchers to the wrong position to search.  What's more, this spot is over deep water, away from land.  Everyone will think to scour that area where the transponder stops at about 0107 local, thinking something catastrophic happened.  Which is exactly what happened.

But at that moment he heads west towards the Indian ocean to end it all in an area where the wreckage will be very hard to find -- the Mid-Indian range.

[oi61.tinypic.com image 850x531]

The Mid-Indian basin is deep, but it's also too flat and wreckage would be easier to spot there.  But the Mid-Indian range is full of hills and crevices and finding wreckage in that area with no surface datum (flotsam) indicating a rough position would be nearly impossible. No wreckage, no proof of suicide, insurance pays out.

The pilot knew exactly when to shut off the transponder to maximize the time available to alter course without drawing immediate suspicion.  He shut down a remaining comms system later - perhaps after realizing it was on, or maybe it was timed to coincide with a glide time - who knows.  And perhaps he even realized t ...


I like it, but there has to be aliens involved.
 
2014-03-14 08:35:55 PM  

Danger Mouse: I am begining to think it's a botched hijacking and eventaully the crew/passengers were able to crash the plane a-la flight 93?


The passengers did not crash flight 93, the terrorists did.  Why would the passengers crash it?
 
2014-03-14 08:44:19 PM  

Deep Contact: I like it, but there has to be aliens involved.


Aliens...  are the insurers?
 
2014-03-14 09:47:03 PM  

zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.

Fair enough; what I should have said is that it would make any chance of future peaceful contact with them even more remote than it already is.  We outsiders would be confirming to them that we're as dangerous as they already seem to believe, if not more so.  And in exchange for that, we would gain.. well, nothing useful that I can see.  Teaching them to be scared of helicopters wouldn't make things any better for any future people who end up shipwrecked on their shores.

OK, I got a little carried away with the blasting them, but, a nice demonstration shoot would get their attention.  They just might think twice about killing outsiders who fall into their hands.  A Vulcan gun makes for a very impressive show for Westerners. I know, I've fired one.  For the islanders, who are a bit farther down the technology scale, it would be very, very, very impressive, particularly a night fire.


Hey, friends, I found this picture of that poster:

upload.wikimedia.org

zimbomba63: I'm reminded of a documentary, about Australian explorers/surveyors in New Guinea, some time after WWII. They went into areas where the tribesmen had not seen Europeans during the war, so they were the first white guys they had ever seen.  The Australians were so different, they, of course, had to be gods.  The tribesmen treated them with all due respect.  As we all know, a god's shiat doesn't stink and the tribesmen soon learned that the Australians shiat did stink.  After figuring out that these white guys weren't gods, merely some outsiders who happened to be white, things started to get a little tense.  The Australians, who had rifles with them, decided they had to calm things down a bit, with a "demonstration".  They had the tribesmen bring a pig to an open area and had the whole village stand around.  One of the Australians then put a bullet through the pig's head, and voila, friendly relations returned, just like that.  The Australians did what they came to do.  The tribesmen had some new, if disturbing, experiences with the wider world.  And nobody got hurt, except the pig, but, it didn't die in vain.


I think you're mixing up Captain Cook with Australians and an unhealthy love of pigs.

And you misspelled "viola".

/Sorry, pet peeve.
//Cook was delicious, if somewhat stringy.
 
2014-03-14 09:49:17 PM  

mcnguyen: Danger Mouse: I am begining to think it's a botched hijacking and eventaully the crew/passengers were able to crash the plane a-la flight 93?

The passengers did not crash flight 93, the terrorists did.  Why would the passengers crash it?


He believes that the passengers forced the terrorists to crash the plane by storming the cockpit to regain control.  This reminds me of a band called Munchhausen by Proxy, from a movie that features Zooey Deschanel.  Here are some pictures of Zooey Deschanel:

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mimg.sulekha.com
www.tsbmag.com
img.poptower.com
www2.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2014-03-14 10:01:37 PM  

iron de havilland: zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: SpaceButler: zimbomba63: Excuse me! I forgot we were dealing with a simple, peaceful people, you know the old "noble savage" trope, who were forced to kill the fishermen, because of their aggressive net casting.

No one brought up that trope but you.  The reason no one else wants to send a military helicopter to teach that tribe a lesson for killing two outsiders (who weren't, by our laws, allowed to fish in that area anyway) is that it won't help anything.  It would cause a lot more death, and make them even more violently xenophobic.  As things stand, they're only a danger to people who actually go into their territory, and there's no point to forcing our way in -- who would benefit from killing a bunch of them?  It wouldn't be justice.

From what I reading here, sounds like they're all "eleventy" on that scale all ready.

Fair enough; what I should have said is that it would make any chance of future peaceful contact with them even more remote than it already is.  We outsiders would be confirming to them that we're as dangerous as they already seem to believe, if not more so.  And in exchange for that, we would gain.. well, nothing useful that I can see.  Teaching them to be scared of helicopters wouldn't make things any better for any future people who end up shipwrecked on their shores.

OK, I got a little carried away with the blasting them, but, a nice demonstration shoot would get their attention.  They just might think twice about killing outsiders who fall into their hands.  A Vulcan gun makes for a very impressive show for Westerners. I know, I've fired one.  For the islanders, who are a bit farther down the technology scale, it would be very, very, very impressive, particularly a night fire.

Hey, friends, I found this picture of that poster:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x276]

zimbomba63: I'm reminded of a documentary, about Australian explorers/surveyors in New Guinea, some time after WWII. They went into areas w ...


Hey, buddy! Can I get $25 worth of whatever you're doing.  You know, for the weekend.
 
2014-03-15 12:52:23 AM  

HenryFnord: Tune in tomorrow when this theory will be disavowed.  Seriously, do you sheeple get it yet?  This is all just a big conspiracy by MSM to increase page divert page views! WAKE UP


It looks like news from the Ukraine is almost as lost as that Jet,

i smell a rat.
U can trust a Cat
on that
 
2014-03-15 12:55:42 AM  

mcnguyen: Danger Mouse: I am begining to think it's a botched hijacking and eventaully the crew/passengers were able to crash the plane a-la flight 93?

The passengers did not crash flight 93, the terrorists did.  Why would the passengers crash it?


I read the pilot turned off the communications.  If thats true, I would be less likely to believe terrorist coercion.  I think the pilots, if involved in the comm loss, were in on whatever was happening.

Malfunction is my bet for the disaster.
 
2014-03-15 01:13:20 AM  

trappedspirit: The idea of that plane flying on for four hours with everyone on board dead is both horrific and beautiful.  Just sailing away as part of a play unfolding in this stratospheric mausoleum.  Destined for the next few hours to wait for the inevitable and poetic plunge, ironically back through a height that would not have taken their lives.  But being not interested in this part of the sky either, continues on to embrace the salty sea and start the slow descent, finally to Earth.


Bodies on a ghost ship traveling on its own? Sounds like a modern version of Aniara.
 
2014-03-15 01:25:26 AM  

Warthog: Ring of Fire: I'm actually supprised some terrorist group that had nothing to do with it has not claimed responsibility just to get some attention.

They have.  A Chinese group did (can't remember their name).  But nobody took them seriously.


Why you no take me sewiously?
 
2014-03-15 04:25:08 AM  

zimbomba63: Hey, buddy! Can I get $25 worth of whatever you're doing.  You know, for the weekend.


blogs.telegraph.co.uk

I think it's available in the US.

/YMMV.
 
2014-03-15 02:34:39 PM  

iron de havilland: zimbomba63: Hey, buddy! Can I get $25 worth of whatever you're doing.  You know, for the weekend.

[blogs.telegraph.co.uk image 460x288]

I think it's available in the US.

/YMMV.


Didn't check!  You're a Scotsman, so I should have known.  I was hoping for something more exotic based on your response.
 
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