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(CNN)   Remember when that kid "accidentally" killed himself by falling into a gym mat? The federal government remembers   (cnn.com) divider line 78
    More: Followup, Lowndes County, subpoenas, cause of death  
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2014-03-14 10:33:43 AM  

positronica: Before you start screaming "cover up", please do some more research from actual non-biased sources.  The Feds have gotten involved, but so far they have given no indication what-so-ever that they disagree with the State's findings in the investigation.  There has been zero new evidence at all that points to a cover up, while at the same time, further analysis of what evidence there actually is in the case, has only continued to reinforce the official findings.  There's nothing fishy about the surveillance videos, there's no sign that they were tampered with, the original theory of the case, while bizarre, has been shown to be both physically possible and in line with all the evidence gathered at the site.  At this point, it would be one of the biggest cover ups in criminal history if it was discovered that Kendrick Johnson's death was anything other than a tragic accident.


I also seem to remember hearing that the family involved shopped around until they found both a pathologist that was willing to say it was murder (who's name and accreditation I can't immediately find), and in the same time frame, a lawyer who focused on black civil rights.  They held a number of press conferences as well as a sit-in protest in front of the court house with signs demanding 'justice'.

My opinion at the time was that they were looking for the money angle, and trying to somehow, desperately, play the race card.  I felt vindicated when they later sued the funeral home for stuffing the empty body with newspaper, after a review board found no fault with the funeral home.

My big takeaway is simplistic;  they're angry they don't have anyone to blame so they'll lash out at everyone around them, and at least a few of the players have been energized by the thought that there's a racial element or money to be made.  When you're angry, everyone else is to blame, and when there's a pro-bono civil rights lawyer taking on the case for you, anyone with money is a preferred target.
 
2014-03-14 10:36:45 AM  

positronica: Before you start screaming "cover up", please do some more research from actual non-biased sources.  The Feds have gotten involved, but so far they have given no indication what-so-ever that they disagree with the State's findings in the investigation.  There has been zero new evidence at all that points to a cover up, while at the same time, further analysis of what evidence there actually is in the case, has only continued to reinforce the official findings.   There's nothing fishy about the surveillance videos, there's no sign that they were tampered with, the original theory of the case, while bizarre, has been shown to be both physically possible and in line with all the evidence gathered at the site.  At this point, it would be one of the biggest cover ups in criminal history if it was discovered that Kendrick Johnson's death was anything other than a tragic accident.


http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/21/justice/kendrick-johnson-surveillance- vi deos/

So a 1-2 hour gap in time on all four videos is not weird at all? Yeah, ok.
 
2014-03-14 10:39:03 AM  

Walker: I remember how when the school released the video of the incident it was cut and spliced and had jump cuts all in it. It showed everything before and after, but not the incident itself. That videotape was cut up more than an emo girl's wrists.


As I recall, the cameras were motion activated. They started when they detected motion, and then stopped a certain time after they stopped sensing any motion.  That was why the tape appeared jumpy and cut as the cameras stopped and started with the motion.  Many use the same system since it is much more efficient because there is theoretically no need to tape when nothing is happening.
 
2014-03-14 10:39:30 AM  
Where was Zimmerman at the time?
 
2014-03-14 10:44:24 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: I wonder how much coroners and medical examiners make? Is it on par with private practice?


You do realize coroner in many jurisdictions is essentially a political role and does not actually require one be an M.D. (or even have basic scientific training), right?

Georgia requires that you be at least 25 years old, have no felony convictions, have a high-school education and complete a week's training course in death investigation before you take the job.
 
2014-03-14 10:57:53 AM  
Didn't he also accidentally stuff himself full of newspaper after his autopsy? o_O
 
2014-03-14 10:58:05 AM  

LawyerBuzz: Walker: I remember how when the school released the video of the incident it was cut and spliced and had jump cuts all in it. It showed everything before and after, but not the incident itself. That videotape was cut up more than an emo girl's wrists.

As I recall, the cameras were motion activated. They started when they detected motion, and then stopped a certain time after they stopped sensing any motion.  That was why the tape appeared jumpy and cut as the cameras stopped and started with the motion.  Many use the same system since it is much more efficient because there is theoretically no need to tape when nothing is happening.


Having installed several DVR systems, I can also add that you can set up the portion of the screen that is activated by motion. If the cameras were not set correctly, there could be portions of the screen that were not in the purview of the motion detection boxes laid out when the security system was installed. If a camera is set up to detect motion, then that motion has to be within the parameters within the setup. Some cameras will have motion for the entire screen if set that way, but some do not. None the less, this is kind of a strange case.

I never saw it the first time, now I am crazy curious.
 
2014-03-14 11:05:17 AM  
There seems to be something fishy about this case.  However, I'm not from the area so I don't know the local politics.  Would a school or schools really go out of their way to cover up a murder to protect a football team, or prominent students?  Also, this could just be a case of the media drumming up a situation to fill the 24 hour news cycle.

/hard evidence is required
//let the FBI do their job
 
2014-03-14 11:09:31 AM  
I have a feeling they're going to find out that a bunch of other kids were standing on the mat while he was rolled up on it.
 
2014-03-14 11:12:58 AM  

Cerebral Ballsy: danielscissorhands: vudukungfu: Langdon_777: About time.

If it had been a white kid, it would have been faster.

If it were a white kid it would have been solved within the first 48 hours.

But amazingly. black kids have the innate ability to fit themselves into tight spaces and pass away. That's science!

Right. Because the cops are only incompetent with blacks. With white victims, all of a sudden they know how to perform an autopsy
and investigation.

Or maybe there's actually some racist bean counter sitting at city hall telling the Police Chief to mark it accidental so they don't have to waste any man-hours solving a negro crime.

There's racism and then there's this stupid shiat. Save your outrage for a real racism case.


Dude this is Fark, the liberal Mecca of the internet. Everything is racist.
 
2014-03-14 11:22:34 AM  

chuggernaught: Would a school or schools really go out of their way to cover up a murder to protect a football team, or prominent students?


Yes, they would. The high school football stadium is next to the college campus, because the high school used to be but hasn't been since the 1980s. Anyway the fights after the game were always blamed on college students even though we knew to stay the hell away from there on Friday Nights. The Stadium seats over 10,000 and is too small on Friday nights,
 
2014-03-14 11:36:39 AM  

chuggernaught: There seems to be something fishy about this case.  However, I'm not from the area so I don't know the local politics.  Would a school or schools really go out of their way to cover up a murder to protect a football team, or prominent students?  Also, this could just be a case of the media drumming up a situation to fill the 24 hour news cycle.

/hard evidence is required
//let the FBI do their job


Yes, just look at the Maryville, Stubenville, and Penn State cases.

Football brings in huge amounts of money, and you have to protect your cash cow.
 
2014-03-14 11:49:51 AM  

Saners: positronica: Before you start screaming "cover up", please do some more research from actual non-biased sources.  The Feds have gotten involved, but so far they have given no indication what-so-ever that they disagree with the State's findings in the investigation.  There has been zero new evidence at all that points to a cover up, while at the same time, further analysis of what evidence there actually is in the case, has only continued to reinforce the official findings.   There's nothing fishy about the surveillance videos, there's no sign that they were tampered with, the original theory of the case, while bizarre, has been shown to be both physically possible and in line with all the evidence gathered at the site.  At this point, it would be one of the biggest cover ups in criminal history if it was discovered that Kendrick Johnson's death was anything other than a tragic accident.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/11/21/justice/kendrick-johnson-surveillance- vi deos/

So a 1-2 hour gap in time on all four videos is not weird at all? Yeah, ok.


That CNN article was already debunked quite a while ago.  There's no unexplained gaps in the video.  The school uses multiple surveillance systems made by different manufacturers, and they don't all have synced time codes.  Here's a link to a more in depth article that explains the systems and that analyzes the video after taking into account the known differences in the time codes and the limitations of the various systems' motion sensing abilities...

http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/kendrick-johnson/x1267064755/Kendr ic k-s-Final-Walk

Look up the radio interviews and writings by Leigh Touchton, too.  She's the NAACP's representative that was originally put in charge of doing an independent investigation.  She found no evidence of a cover-up, and further, she found that the official findings in the case fit with the evidence, and she reached the opinion that the Kendrick family's attorneys have made a lot of false statements.
 
2014-03-14 11:57:21 AM  

The My Little Pony Killer: I have a feeling they're going to find out that a bunch of other kids were standing on the mat while he was rolled up on it.


Sounds very likely.  Based on the school's web site alone (state champs, sponsors, srs bzns, rah rah!), I'd say they are protecting some star football player(s) or some similar shiat.
 
2014-03-14 12:17:08 PM  
Lowndes County High School's stadium seats about 10,000. They've won four state championships in the past 15 years. Would school administrators deliberately cover up a murder to protect the football program? I doubt it. But would they put a lot of effort into trying to FIND a murder, if they had another explanation not involving a football player? Probably not.

www.lowndesfootball.com
 
2014-03-14 12:22:58 PM  
The fact that state investigators looked into this and found no foul play makes me suspect nothing happened. The GBI are a pretty professional bunch, not noted for racism, and they care a lot more about catching bad guys than protecting some town's football program. They make a lot of anti-corruption arrests of local law enforcement and government types; they'd burn a principal or a football coach to the ground without blinking.
 
2014-03-14 01:22:43 PM  

mbillips: So, the best I can surmise from the minimal evidence is that this kid may have been accidentally killed while being bullied by football players, and the administration covered it up/didn't pursue it aggressively because football is GOD in South Georgia. Still seems like it should be a GBI investigation; is being denied justice because you're not a football player a federal civil rights issue?



And/or the killer is from a prominent family that had the juice to get it covered up.
 
jvl
2014-03-14 02:40:51 PM  
After double-checking on the investigation, the Feds will agree the kid Darwined himself.
 
2014-03-14 03:10:42 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Cerebral Ballsy: I wonder how much coroners and medical examiners make? Is it on par with private practice?

You do realize coroner in many jurisdictions is essentially a political role and does not actually require one be an M.D. (or even have basic scientific training), right?

Georgia requires that you be at least 25 years old, have no felony convictions, have a high-school education and complete a week's training course in death investigation before you take the job.


What. The. Fark.
 
2014-03-14 03:25:05 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: GranoblasticMan: Cerebral Ballsy: I wonder how much coroners and medical examiners make? Is it on par with private practice?

You do realize coroner in many jurisdictions is essentially a political role and does not actually require one be an M.D. (or even have basic scientific training), right?

Georgia requires that you be at least 25 years old, have no felony convictions, have a high-school education and complete a week's training course in death investigation before you take the job.

What. The. Fark.


Exactly my reaction when I found out too. =(
 
2014-03-14 03:53:15 PM  

TerminalEchoes: Dude this is Fark, the liberal Mecca of the internet. Everything is racist.


Hey! I have plenty of white friends.
 
2014-03-14 03:54:01 PM  

Cerebral Ballsy: and complete a week's training course in death investigation before you take the job.


What. The. Fark.


WTF?
 
2014-03-14 04:42:25 PM  

Walker: Incredulous: Why is the FBI involved?  Where is the Federal jurisdiction?

Not sure if it's the case in this situation, but usually the FBI gets involved if it thinks the local authorities are corrupt or attempting a cover-up.


What about the other bazillion cases that are more cut and dry coverups and civil rights violations?

It's a pretty valid question.  I'd hate to think they are basically taking cases based off of the media attention.
 
2014-03-14 05:51:50 PM  
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Sorry CNN, you're not going to get Zimmerman ratings again.
 
2014-03-14 07:44:25 PM  
Best friend is an assistant DA in Lowndes County. Asked what she thought about it. Said she'd reviewed all the evidence and that it is indeed a case of horrible accidental death. There's no evidence suggesting otherwise.

A civil rights leader reviewed the evidence and came to the same conclusion as the investigators: http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/kend rick-johnson/x2112910298/Rose-To uchton-believe-no-cover-up-in-Johnson- case?mobRedir=false

It is a horrible tragedy, and I hope the family can find some sort of peace.

/Have lived in Valdosta
//It's not the racist cesspool everyone seems to think it is
 
2014-03-14 08:16:04 PM  
I remember one of my kids when he was 8 years old accidentally setting fire to the living room rug. I went easy on him, as per the advice of a strange man I met 59 years ago who shares my son's name and his physical features.
 
2014-03-14 09:47:26 PM  

AliasSally: Best friend is an assistant DA in Lowndes County. Asked what she thought about it. Said she'd reviewed all the evidence and that it is indeed a case of horrible accidental death. There's no evidence suggesting otherwise.

A civil rights leader reviewed the evidence and came to the same conclusion as the investigators: http://www.valdostadailytimes.com/kend rick-johnson/x2112910298/Rose-To uchton-believe-no-cover-up-in-Johnson- case?mobRedir=false

It is a horrible tragedy, and I hope the family can find some sort of peace.

/Have lived in Valdosta
//It's not the racist cesspool everyone seems to think it is


^ This. I lived in Valdosta for nearly 30 years. Is it football-crazy? Yup. Is the city high school predominantly black and the county high school predominantly white? Yup. Is the Sheriff's department a bunch of bumbling, racist yokels who'd cover up a murder in the name of football? Hell no. It's a professional group of law enforcement officers. The Sheriff is a good dude.

It sucks the kid died, but his family looking to essentially profit from his death and wasting public resources in the process is sickening.
 
2014-03-15 07:20:35 PM  
#JusticeForKendrick
 
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