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(Mediaite)   Pulled over while being a 70 year old man who uses a cane? You better believe that's a shootin'   (mediaite.com) divider line 31
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2014-03-14 01:51:05 AM  
7 votes:
Fox News Channel reporter Trace Gallagher reported on Thursday that Knox's commanding officer said, judging from the dash cam tape, that Knox "did the right thing."

How in the hell was that the right thing? He shouts something at the guy then completely unloads on him. Doesn't even say "Drop the gun" until he emptied a magazine at him.

Dumbass cop needs to be fired
2014-03-14 08:13:12 AM  
5 votes:
Just watched the video. Nope, this guy should never be allowed to be a police officer anywhere, ever again.
He could have killed the man, his wife, or any number of people that were driving on that busy highway.
Piss poor shooting skills, and piss poor judgement.
2014-03-14 08:28:22 AM  
4 votes:
This is a good lesson as to why you don't get out of the car unless ordered to.
2014-03-14 07:57:56 AM  
4 votes:
If a cop does something like this he should lose his ability to use a gun permanently.  Whether that causes him to be forced to change careers, so what.  There need to be laws keeping dangerous cops off the street.
2014-03-14 08:02:04 AM  
3 votes:
"I promise to God I thought it was a shotgun," replied York County Deputy Terrance Knox. The officer is later heard crying while explaining to a fellow officer why he shot Canipe

Idiot has no business being a cop.
2014-03-14 03:34:23 PM  
2 votes:
The claim that it looked like a shotgun holds up if you look rely on the dashcam, what that doesn't show is how badly the dashcam handles colors, reflections, and glare.  The cop needs his eyes checked and his trigger finger removed.

Cell phone: Gun
Cane:  Shotgun
Hand in pocket: Furtive movement.

So  many excuses for a cop to put a bullet in an innocent person the only real protection we have is the willingness of police to make certain before they shoot!  You can't simply dismiss that responsibility because it might get serious like that one time on that dashcam video the cops watch over and over.  This is real life and you have to act in accordance with reality not the fear you get from watching TV.
2014-03-14 12:37:54 PM  
2 votes:

lizyrd: LavenderWolf: "did the right thing."

Yep, anything in the name of officer safety, including shooting at innocent people.

Cops: Cowards to the core.

How often have you felt your life has been at risk at your job?



More than you'd think. Still haven't shot at a disabled veteran, though.

Public safety is supposed to come before your life as a police officer. That's the way it is. If you think that old man has a shotgun, maybe wait to confirm before you start shooting? Even if he has a shotgun, he might just be trying to surrender it to you in old-man-confusion. You just don't know, and until you know, you don't start putting farking holes in people or their stuff.
2014-03-14 09:13:12 AM  
2 votes:

jpo2269: The police officer did nothing wrong.  The cane looked very much like a shotgun.  I love how so many people who don't have jobs where their lives are in jeopardy every day act all morally superior.  Yes, the cop made a mistake, but given the video evidence, it is not difficult to see or understand why the police officer acted in this manner.

/Love me some irrational Fark "Cop hate threads..."


This..

DO   NOT   GET   OUT   OF   THE  DAMN  CAR....

Please, if you take anything away from this thread,  PLEASE STAY IN YOUR CAR.

1) It's not safe for you to be wondering in traffic
2) It's not taken as a sign of being friendly

We walk and play in traffic daily, you do not..
We position our car for our safety and yours, but that doesn't mean a drunk and/or stupid person isn't going to some how hit either car anyway...


THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GMCfxezdfE   is drilled into every officers head...
2014-03-14 08:34:25 AM  
2 votes:
What the hell, when did we start letting wimpy biatches become police officers? If you want to be a police officer, you should have the balls to no draw your firearm at the drop of a hat. As a police officer you do NOT have the "right to go home" as so many claim, you're supposed to be the line between the people and criminals.
2014-03-14 08:27:06 AM  
2 votes:

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Just watched the video. Nope, this guy should never be allowed to be a police officer anywhere, ever again.
He could have killed the man, his wife, or any number of people that were driving on that busy highway.
Piss poor shooting skills, and piss poor judgement.


If only there were some type of school or academy where police could get training in firearm usage...
2014-03-14 07:59:52 AM  
2 votes:
Mmmm, we should all feel proud of our paranoid, 'roided up protectors.
2014-03-14 07:54:04 AM  
2 votes:
"I promise to God I thought it was a shotgun," and so I fired multiple shots at a potentially armed suspect who had not fired nor threatened to do so.

It seems police are not trained to deal with potentially dangerous situations, and though they may fire their weapon at targets at some satisfactory level they don't seem to be trained to shoot accurately under anything resembling a situation where it would be appropriate to shoot anything.
2014-03-14 07:45:11 AM  
2 votes:
Nowadays I've just learned (from Fark):

1. Never talk to cops (other than a polite hello) unless you have a lawyer
2. If you get pulled over for any reason: pull over, turn on your blinkers, put car in park, take keys out of ignition and place on dash, keep hands in a visible location, and make no sudden moves
3. Never call the cops unless it is a last resort because they will likely end up shooting someone
2014-03-14 07:44:55 AM  
2 votes:

ArkAngel: Fox News Channel reporter Trace Gallagher reported on Thursday that Knox's commanding officer said, judging from the dash cam tape, that Knox "did the right thing."

How in the hell was that the right thing? He shouts something at the guy then completely unloads on him. Doesn't even say "Drop the gun" until he emptied a magazine at him.


They're both cops. One coulda shot up a preschool while smoking crack in the nude, the other would publicly defend him.
2014-03-14 04:18:50 PM  
1 votes:

God--: As an ex cop I just want to say in the dark with flashing lights something like a cane could easily be mistaken for a shotgun.


What is this "dark" you speak of?  The truck was being blasted with standard issue millions of candlepower spotlight.

As for getting out of the vehicle, the old man got his permit in a different age when the cop escorted you home if you were drunk driving. They don't send you letters from the DMV telling you cops are so paranoid that anything you put your hand on may get you shot whether inside or outside the vehicle.

It used to be that you got your papers ready for the cops when you got pulled over.  The old man probably can't reach into his pocket so easily anymore while sitting down so I imagine that could be another reason he got out.  You can't put registration in the glove box because cops will think you're reaching for a gun there.

It's rather crazy that most of the time that someone is pulled over nobody will get shot but the public has to prepare for the possibly of a jittery cop and play mannequin until the officer utters "Simon says".
2014-03-14 12:46:38 PM  
1 votes:

kindms: Caffienatedjedi: I'm curious how much of this is just kneejerk hate. I have a strong distaste of police, was raised to never trust them and never approach them unless I needed to(just being near them makes me uncomfortable), but watching the video I find the cops actions totally reasonable. The civvy farked up hard, and did all the stupidest things. When the officer realised it wasn't a weapon, he went running to  help the man he just shot, but the damn cane was pointed directly at the cop, and in that lighting it did look like a weapon. So yea, the officer made a mistake, but its a human mistake, and when he farked up he did what he could to rectify it. Any asshole cope would of probably just called EMT and then left him there to suffer.

The police officer could have oh I don't know ordered the man to get back in his vehicle. Or even forcibly told the guy NOT to get out of the car. Whoa Whoa Whoa are not commands that the police are trained to use. I would bet that cop was doing something in his patrol car that made him not see the man exiting the vehicle until he was reaching for his cane. So the cop lost control of the scene and then scrambling to control the scene fired on an unarmed man because he thought the cane was a firearm. So he is incompetent at the very least and unable to follow procedures which led to a 70 year old man getting shot


He did order the man back into the vehicle. The man ignored him and kept going to get the cane from the gun rack, which is y'know, often used to store guns. Now, I agree the officer did lose control of the situation, but that does not denote complete incompetence. This kinda shiat happens, and I find it miles better than cops that murder peoples dogs, or beat homeless to death. Its acceptable risk, not intentional brutality.
2014-03-14 11:32:45 AM  
1 votes:

jpo2269: The police officer did nothing wrong.  The cane looked very much like a shotgun.  I love how so many people who don't have jobs where their lives are in jeopardy every day act all morally superior.  Yes, the cop made a mistake, but given the video evidence, it is not difficult to see or understand why the police officer acted in this manner.


Well, which is it?
2014-03-14 11:27:15 AM  
1 votes:
I'm curious how much of this is just kneejerk hate. I have a strong distaste of police, was raised to never trust them and never approach them unless I needed to(just being near them makes me uncomfortable), but watching the video I find the cops actions totally reasonable. The civvy farked up hard, and did all the stupidest things. When the officer realised it wasn't a weapon, he went running to  help the man he just shot, but the damn cane was pointed directly at the cop, and in that lighting it did look like a weapon. So yea, the officer made a mistake, but its a human mistake, and when he farked up he did what he could to rectify it. Any asshole cope would of probably just called EMT and then left him there to suffer.
2014-03-14 10:45:00 AM  
1 votes:

lizyrd: I'd say "did the right thing" is a stretch, "what he did was understandable" is more in line. I think the old man did all the wrong things: opening his door without being prompted, exiting the vehicle, ignoring/not hearing the officer, reaching back into his truck for his cane while still ignoring/not hearing, and then turning with the cane elevated.


Agreed. I came here to jump in on the cop hate, but if you watch the video the cop had no choice. No reasonable person could have interpreted the old man's actions in any other way. I would have shot him too. The only thing the cop did wrong was miss so many times.
 The old guy did EVERYTHING wrong, and just wouldn't stop compounding it. Getting out of a car when stopped is not smart, nor is ignoring all warnings to get back inside. Thats one thing, but it takes a real moron to think reaching back into the truck to get a long shiny metal item off the trucks gun rack while doing it was a good idea. Holy shiat that guy was stupid.
2014-03-14 10:15:47 AM  
1 votes:

MassAsster: jpo2269: The police officer did nothing wrong.  The cane looked very much like a shotgun.  I love how so many people who don't have jobs where their lives are in jeopardy every day act all morally superior.  Yes, the cop made a mistake, but given the video evidence, it is not difficult to see or understand why the police officer acted in this manner.

/Love me some irrational Fark "Cop hate threads..."

This..

DO   NOT   GET   OUT   OF   THE  DAMN  CAR....

Please, if you take anything away from this thread,  PLEASE STAY IN YOUR CAR.

1) It's not safe for you to be wondering in traffic
2) It's not taken as a sign of being friendly

We walk and play in traffic daily, you do not..
We position our car for our safety and yours, but that doesn't mean a drunk and/or stupid person isn't going to some how hit either car anyway...


THIS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GMCfxezdfE   is drilled into every officers head...


If it's so dangerous why are the fine mostly around $160?

I would never risk a life over $160.

/$160
2014-03-14 10:14:09 AM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: Shotgun Justice: Maybe if he had told him to to stop or freeze or give some indication besides "Whoa" that he thought that the cane was a gun, I would have some sympathy for the dumbass.

On top of that the asshole driver got out of the car.

NEVER get out of the car.  I've been pulled over many times, and you DON'T GET OUT OF THE CAR.  It's the absolute best way to get shot.  Put the drivers window down, turn off the car, and put your hands on the wheel.  If it's dark, turn on the interior lights.

That's free advice.


I'm not that old and even I remember when it was fine to get out of the car, it's possible this guy hasn't been pulled over in 30+ years or more, somehow people managed to not die  in a hail of police gun fire when that was customary and that was actually when crime rates were higher.
2014-03-14 10:08:37 AM  
1 votes:

Shotgun Justice: Maybe if he had told him to to stop or freeze or give some indication besides "Whoa" that he thought that the cane was a gun, I would have some sympathy for the dumbass.


On top of that the asshole driver got out of the car.

NEVER get out of the car.  I've been pulled over many times, and you DON'T GET OUT OF THE CAR.  It's the absolute best way to get shot.  Put the drivers window down, turn off the car, and put your hands on the wheel.  If it's dark, turn on the interior lights.

That's free advice.
2014-03-14 10:02:05 AM  
1 votes:

LavenderWolf: "did the right thing."

Yep, anything in the name of officer safety, including shooting at innocent people.

Cops: Cowards to the core.


How often have you felt your life has been at risk at your job? How often do you complete a task at work only to say 3 minutes later, "holy shiat that was close, someone could have died"? I'm not a cop, but I've been called a coward on Fark for responding to a hypothetical in a way that did not mesh with what they thought my job was. So I get a chuckle when cube dwellers who spend 8 hours a day tethered to a desk will comment on the cowardice of a man whose job puts him in a position to decide, in less than a second, in the dark with headlights going by, whether that long, round thing is a shotgun tracking toward him or not.

I'd say "did the right thing" is a stretch, "what he did was understandable" is more in line. I think the old man did all the wrong things: opening his door without being prompted, exiting the vehicle, ignoring/not hearing the officer, reaching back into his truck for his cane while still ignoring/not hearing, and then turning with the cane elevated.
2014-03-14 09:59:50 AM  
1 votes:

jpo2269: I love how so many people who don't have jobs where their lives are in jeopardy every day act all morally superior


We were smart enough to choose a profession where we don't get shot at much, which actually makes us mentally superior, as opposed to morally superior.
2014-03-14 09:39:19 AM  
1 votes:
"Hey sir, sir, sir, Whoa, Whoa, Whoa" isn't a command. The officer never made any attempt at having the man return to his vehicle before shooting him. I would call shooting someone from leaving their vehicle attempted murder.
2014-03-14 09:31:00 AM  
1 votes:

God--: As an ex cop I just want to say in the dark with flashing lights something like a cane  could easily be mistaken for a shotgun. Yes this was a tragedy and the cop has to live with it for the rest of his life but lets look at what happened. The old man got out of the car, the cop yelled at him to get back in the car (this is actually normal procedure to avoid physical conflicts) the old man either ignored him or didn't hear him. Next he reached for his cane and the cop started yelling more and either the old man ignored him or didn't hear him, next all you can see with the flashing lights is what appears to be the barrel of a shotgun being pointed at him. He has a split second to make the judgement to pull the trigger. He had no other choice given what he could see and his training. So sure, go hate on the cop, but lets say it really was a shotgun being wielded by a crazy old man and the cop decided to give the benefit of the doubt to an old man. You could just as easily be looking a dead police officer. Again, while this was a tragedy, it played out the way it did because it had to once the old man got out of the car. So hate on people.


I love a cop bash thread as much as the next guy.

I'm as critical of police as I think a rational person can be. My expectations for civil servants are pretty damned high.

But in this case, the above is really all there is to it.

and to anyone criticizing the cop for his very human response:
this is the type of cop we need
2014-03-14 09:07:25 AM  
1 votes:
"did the right thing."

Yep, anything in the name of officer safety, including shooting at innocent people.

Cops: Cowards to the core.
2014-03-14 09:04:28 AM  
1 votes:
Knox's commanding officer said, judging from the dash cam tape, that Knox "did the right thing."

Only a really bad cop could say something like this.  How in the heck can shooting an unarmed, physically challenged 70 year old veteran possibly be considered "doing the right thing"?

Don't get me wrong.  I don't entirely blame that cop that did the shooting.  He had to make a quick decision and unfortunately made a mistake. He's human.  His commanding officer though is a turd for uttering that statement above.
2014-03-14 08:50:04 AM  
1 votes:
The police officer did nothing wrong.  The cane looked very much like a shotgun.  I love how so many people who don't have jobs where their lives are in jeopardy every day act all morally superior.  Yes, the cop made a mistake, but given the video evidence, it is not difficult to see or understand why the police officer acted in this manner.

/Love me some irrational Fark "Cop hate threads..."
2014-03-14 07:47:28 AM  
1 votes:

OhioUGrad: Nowadays I've just learned (from Fark):

1. Never talk to cops (other than a polite hello) unless you have a lawyer
2. If you get pulled over for any reason: pull over, turn on your blinkers, put car in park, take keys out of ignition and place on dash, keep hands in a visible location, and make no sudden moves
3. Never call the cops unless it is a last resort because they will likely end up shooting someone


In case 2, if it's dark out, also put on your dome light, so the cop can see into the car.
2014-03-14 03:14:15 AM  
1 votes:
Well, if he didn't want to get shot, then he shouldn't have needed a cane. We live in an era of enhanced morality; one of the consequences of this morality is that you will be shot more often. If you don't like this, go move to some Third World country like the Sudan, the Gambia, or the Austria.
 
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