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2014-03-13 11:33:45 PM
You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.
 
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2014-03-13 11:49:13 PM
Wow, is he zoned for that thing?
 
2014-03-14 12:04:49 AM
So he has the options of either altering it so it doesn't overhang the sidewalk, rebuilding it somewhere in his back yard, or buying the necessary insurance to cover the liability if he wants to keep it where it is, so what's the problem?

'Fark you, my kids' plaything trumps public safety' is not a valid choice here.
 
2014-03-14 12:13:11 AM

Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.


done in 1
 
2014-03-14 12:15:57 AM
I hope the stupid tag is for the father, not the city.
 
2014-03-14 01:12:52 AM
This is what passes for overhangs.
images.worldnow.com
I can see if the tree fell down, that is going to hit the sidewalk if it falls in that direction, but that is not overhangs I think.
 
2014-03-14 01:13:34 AM
Wow Treehouse
                                                So Deathtrap

                    Such Overhang

                                      very insurance

Much Blight.
 
2014-03-14 01:14:22 AM
images.worldnow.com

That thing looks possibly bigger than my bedroom.. I'm gonna have to side with the city on this. The potential safety hazard aside, it's just an eyesore for the neighborhood.
 
2014-03-14 01:18:43 AM
Stupid tag for the father, or the city? Because it should be for the father, if it's not
 
2014-03-14 01:19:10 AM
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That's not a safe altitude. Why is it up so high? If someone falls from there it's a guaranteed death.
 
2014-03-14 01:19:27 AM

strangeluck: [images.worldnow.com image 360x261]

That thing looks possibly bigger than my bedroom.. I'm gonna have to side with the city on this. The potential safety hazard aside, it's just an eyesore for the neighborhood.


If the tree is in front, there seem to be unsurfaced cinder block walls, chain link fences, and clothes lines all in other front yards.  A treehouse isn't going to do anything to the property values the rest that hasn't already done.
 
2014-03-14 01:19:49 AM
For once I'm siding with the city.
 
2014-03-14 01:21:16 AM
I'm with the neighbors and city. Put stuff like that in the back yard.
 
2014-03-14 01:22:58 AM
Yeah its not overhanging the sidewalk at all and if it did fall toward the side walk  its not gonna make the tree fall that much faster and in fact it will probably spread out the energy of the impact when the tree hits the ground.

I'd wager this was started by a busy body neighbor.
 
2014-03-14 01:23:16 AM

AgentPothead: This is what passes for overhangs.
[images.worldnow.com image 360x261]
I can see if the tree fell down, that is going to hit the sidewalk if it falls in that direction, but that is not overhangs I think.


If that counts as 'overhang' in regards to the sidewalk, then the roof of my porch overhangs the sidewalk and half of the street.
 
2014-03-14 01:24:43 AM
Ha . Nice perch to throw things at passersby .
 
2014-03-14 01:24:56 AM
If it falls on the sidewalk, then the city has all the liability.

I doubt he got a permit to build, nor had an inspector come by in the process...
 
2014-03-14 01:26:28 AM
What are the odds he would have to get a permit for a shed that size in his front yard?
 
2014-03-14 01:27:29 AM
About 30 seconds after enjoying the view, the kids would be discovering the joys of water balloons lobbed onto the sidewalk.

Dad's an idiot.
 
2014-03-14 01:28:01 AM
It's adorable that we're pretending people still use sidewalks.
 
2014-03-14 01:29:14 AM

Bumblefark: It's adorable that we're pretending people still use sidewalks.


You from the future?
 
2014-03-14 01:29:25 AM

Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.


Agreed. It's a nice gesture to the kids obviously, but I notice two things about it that beg a question or two...

First is just how well built it is since it seems to only have the trunk of the tree supporting it with no branches or anything. And second is the fact that it doesn't really appear to be in his backyard, it looks more like its on a tree that's outside his property line (going on the fence) and is probably on city property. The city itself seems to be a bit confused as there is no sane person alive that'd consider the tree house as hanging over the sidewalk, but they've got a point.
 
2014-03-14 01:29:25 AM

AgentPothead: This is what passes for overhangs.
[images.worldnow.com image 360x261]
I can see if the tree fell down, that is going to hit the sidewalk if it falls in that direction, but that is not overhangs I think.


Looking at the retaining walls going down the block, I'd bet they parallel the edge of the property line.  If that's the case, the tree is actually growing in the street easement which puts the treehouse on city owned land.
 
2014-03-14 01:32:16 AM

farkingismybusiness: Bumblefark: It's adorable that we're pretending people still use sidewalks.

You from the future?


Um...

*throws ninja smoke bomb*
 
2014-03-14 01:32:44 AM

AgentPothead: This is what passes for overhangs.
[images.worldnow.com image 360x261]
I can see if the tree fell down, that is going to hit the sidewalk if it falls in that direction, but that is not overhangs I think.


I believe this is a valid point from the perspective of the photograph. I don't see how the city is going to gain any traction in getting rid of it on that premise.

That said, and as cool as I think tree houses are, I think they should scale it down at the least, if not move it to the backyard if it's feasible.
 
2014-03-14 01:34:10 AM

MFAWG: What are the odds he would have to get a permit for a shed that size in his front yard?


In this county it's 100 ft.2 before you need a permit. That thing looks like it could be pushing it.
 
2014-03-14 01:37:45 AM
the father is insane. if your going to use all that lumber and time spent, why not a nice build a nice sun porch for yourself or an elderly neighbor.
/I will say this, when I was a kid (in the onion days) we built our "forts" out in the woods or by the r.r. tracks. as far away from roads as we get. no need for prying eyes.
 
2014-03-14 01:38:31 AM

strangeluck: 's just an eyesore for the neighborhood


what about that makes your eye sore ?
more importantly ... how farking sore does your eye get before you demand tearing down stuff ?

// get a life
 
2014-03-14 01:39:30 AM

Bumblefark: It's adorable that we're pretending people still use sidewalks.


Best laugh all day. Are tears in my eyes because it's so farking true I'm crying and not laughing?
 
2014-03-14 01:39:48 AM
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Thanks,  Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama.

RIP Freedom
 
2014-03-14 01:44:02 AM
Yeah, I don't see a problem. I definitely wouldn't feel safe letting my son walk down that sidewalk.
 
2014-03-14 01:45:44 AM

farkingismybusiness: Bumblefark: It's adorable that we're pretending people still use sidewalks.

You from the future?


lol
 
2014-03-14 01:47:41 AM

Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.


Yup.  Definitely does not look stable.


About 30 years ago, I helped a neighbor  do that in his back yard for his kids.  He got the 4x4s  in OK, but was flaying around on how to link them together, put in the floor and walls.  I brought over an industrial electric screw gun (centrifical clutch  and noisey as all hell, but it would run screws in w/o pre-drilling holes) and a box of heavy deck screws and we had it up in two hours.


I drove by there two days ago and it is still standing.
 
2014-03-14 01:48:18 AM
Your kids want a view from above? Do it like a normal family.

msnbcmedia4.msn.com
 
2014-03-14 01:48:41 AM
Nice sniper's nest though.
 
2014-03-14 01:55:50 AM
It's no worse than all the shrubbery and trees that the city allows to grow over the sidewalks every spring and summer. In fact, less so since it's not actually over the sidewalks.

/bet he didn't even bother to look into a permit
//serves him right
 
2014-03-14 01:57:08 AM
By Fed law he only needs 250k/250k liability and a building permit unless its on a homestead.  Then its a property damage 250k only.
 
2014-03-14 02:00:07 AM
Dear God. From a fort like that three kids with some water balloons could stop all passage on that sidewalk.

That would lock down the west side. And you know what that means...

They control the town.
 
2014-03-14 02:01:16 AM

The My Little Pony Killer: It's no worse than all the shrubbery and trees that the city allows to grow over the sidewalks every spring and summer. In fact, less so since it's not actually over the sidewalks.

/bet he didn't even bother to look into a permit
//serves him right


Or the trees the city plants between the sidewalk and the street, and all the roots that break through your sidewalk are your responsibility to fix, and if you don't fix the sidewalk that the city's trees farks up then you get slammed with a citation.

But you can't remove the trees that are causing the problem to begin with, since the city owns them.
 
2014-03-14 02:13:15 AM

theflatline: If it falls on the sidewalk, then the city has all the liability.

I doubt he got a permit to build, nor had an inspector come by in the process...


Since when?  Sidewalks are pure insanity from a liability standpoint.  In some (many? (most?)) cities, the property owner is required to install and maintain the sidewalk at their expense, they're required to allow public access,  and they're liable for anything that happens on the sidewalk even though they have no choice about allowing public access.
 
2014-03-14 02:17:55 AM
That does look awesome from the outside, but yeah... done in one. Just a tad topheavy and in the wrong place.

/ growing up I had a much simpler 8x8' treehouse bridged between two trees... You used the existing wild grapevines to climb up to it. It had a 150' zipline over a creek. Thanks, much cooler Dad!

// why yes, my childhood rocked.
 
2014-03-14 02:20:06 AM
C'mon man!  Take the neighborhood wench, put in it and the burn it down.  Otherwise, everything is complete wash.
 
2014-03-14 02:21:41 AM

farkingismybusiness: [deciderization.files.wordpress.com image 850x478]
That's not a safe altitude. Why is it up so high? If someone falls from there it's a guaranteed death.


Now that is a witch burning house if I've ever seen one.
 
2014-03-14 02:24:36 AM
In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.
 
2014-03-14 02:29:00 AM

gunther_bumpass: In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.


Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?
 
2014-03-14 02:33:48 AM

Weatherkiss: gunther_bumpass: In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.

Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?


Hey, whatever you want to do in your own home is OK by me...
 
2014-03-14 02:39:43 AM
Unless you have Harlan Ellison level cred, I'm pretty sure treehouses should be built in the woods rather than in cities.

This is not one of those situations.
 
2014-03-14 02:42:22 AM

Weatherkiss: gunther_bumpass: In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.

Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?


Leaf blowers should be illegal everywhere, especially on the internet.
I can hide from a treehouse. I can cross the street so it doesn't sneak-collapse me to death.
Leaf blowers though - those farkers'll find you. A leaf blower goes through windows, through walls, through doors and headphones and farks you right in the ear, all year long. Just so some asshole can keep his emasculated, buzz-cut pixie prairie looking sharp for all his asshole neighbors. After all, you wouldn't want leaves and lawn trimmings to create an eyesore. It's a national epidemic, these eyesores. Better to shiat in your neighbor's mind with a two stroke motor all farkin' day long than to offend his glance.
 
2014-03-14 02:45:36 AM

gunther_bumpass: Weatherkiss: gunther_bumpass: In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.

Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?

Leaf blowers should be illegal everywhere, especially on the internet.
I can hide from a treehouse. I can cross the street so it doesn't sneak-collapse me to death.
Leaf blowers though - those farkers'll find you. A leaf blower goes through windows, through walls, through doors and headphones and farks you right in the ear, all year long. Just so some asshole can keep his emasculated, buzz-cut pixie prairie looking sharp for all his asshole neighbors. After all, you wouldn't want leaves and lawn trimmings to create an eyesore. It's a national epidemic, these eyesores. Better to shiat in your neighbor's mind with a two stroke motor all farkin' day long than to offend his glance.


This post just made my night.
 
2014-03-14 02:50:28 AM

gunther_bumpass: Weatherkiss: gunther_bumpass: In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.

Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?

Leaf blowers should be illegal everywhere, especially on the internet.
I can hide from a treehouse. I can cross the street so it doesn't sneak-collapse me to death.
Leaf blowers though - those farkers'll find you. A leaf blower goes through windows, through walls, through doors and headphones and farks you right in the ear, all year long. Just so some asshole can keep his emasculated, buzz-cut pixie prairie looking sharp for all his asshole neighbors. After all, you wouldn't want leaves and lawn trimmings to create an eyesore. It's a national epidemic, these eyesores. Better to shiat in your neighbor's mind with a two stroke motor all farkin' day long than to offend his glance.


Jib cut. Like yours.
 
2014-03-14 02:54:20 AM
gunther_bumpass:

Weatherkiss: gunther_bumpass: In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.

Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?

Leaf blowers should be illegal everywhere, especially on the internet.
I can hide from a treehouse. I can cross the street so it doesn't sneak-collapse me to death.
Leaf blowers though - those farkers'll find you. A leaf blower goes through windows, through walls, through doors and headphones and farks you right in the ear, all year long. Just so some asshole can keep his emasculated, buzz-cut pixie prairie looking sharp for all his asshole neighbors. After all, you wouldn't want leaves and lawn trimmings to create an eyesore. It's a national epidemic, these eyesores. Better to shiat in your neighbor's mind with a two stroke motor all farkin' day long than to offend his glance.


Meh. File that along with people who bag their lawn waste to be hauled away and then pay money for people to spray nutrients (and assorted chemicals) on their lawn 6 months later.

I don't hear any nearer than 1/2 mile anymore, but I will say the sound of a leaf blower makes me smile for the simple reason that it REALLY wound up a G/F's ex... That's not you, is it? :)
 
2014-03-14 03:02:47 AM
Who builds a freakin' treehouse in the front yard? Nothing good will come of that. Even with the ladder behind the fence, there's got to liability issues out the wazoo.
 
2014-03-14 03:03:13 AM

maxheck: but I will say the sound of a leaf blower makes me smile for the simple reason that it REALLY wound up a G/F's ex...


Sounds like a healthy relationship you had going there.
 
2014-03-14 03:06:59 AM

Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.


How many 4x4s do you suppose you could get out of that tree? It's plenty strong enough to support the treehouse, but you'd trust a couple sticks of dead pine more? This is why envy is so bad. People shroud it with good intentions and will take away what others have for it.
 
2014-03-14 03:14:00 AM
gunther_bumpass:

maxheck: but I will say the sound of a leaf blower makes me smile for the simple reason that it REALLY wound up a G/F's ex...

Sounds like a healthy relationship you had going there.


Heh. I will say the guy was a real jerk, so if wishing leaf blowers on him is the worst I did... He got off lucky. The relationship with the G/F was much healthier thank you very much.

/ Not implying any jerkiness on your part, just working with the leaf-blower rant.
 
2014-03-14 03:27:04 AM
Tree houses are awesome.  My best friends dad built one for us when we were young kids.  It was in backyard and in the woods like all tree houses should be.

When I look at the picture of this tree house it just makes me sad.  How can you sneak your first smoke, sip of booze or lady (13) up in there without everyone on the street knowing about it?  I'm thinking the guy was hell bent on building a tree house and this was the only suitable tree on his property.  He wasn't going to stop just because it was between his retaining wall and the sidewalk.
 
2014-03-14 03:33:06 AM

Weatherkiss: gunther_bumpass: In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.

Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?


True story.

My neighbor's leaf blower ran out of gas, and he didn't have any more on hand. He was lamenting that he couldn't finish blowing off the last couple steps, so he couldn't finish the job. I looked at him and asked "do you have a broom"? It was almost comical as the light bulb lit and he realize all was not lost.

Yeah, were in a world of motorheads.

Sadness.
 
2014-03-14 03:36:03 AM

gunther_bumpass: Weatherkiss: gunther_bumpass: In this thread: a bunch of busybody assholes.

And yet, leaf blowers remain totally legal.

Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?

Leaf blowers should be illegal everywhere, especially on the internet.
I can hide from a treehouse. I can cross the street so it doesn't sneak-collapse me to death.
Leaf blowers though - those farkers'll find you. A leaf blower goes through windows, through walls, through doors and headphones and farks you right in the ear, all year long. Just so some asshole can keep his emasculated, buzz-cut pixie prairie looking sharp for all his asshole neighbors. After all, you wouldn't want leaves and lawn trimmings to create an eyesore. It's a national epidemic, these eyesores. Better to shiat in your neighbor's mind with a two stroke motor all farkin' day long than to offend his glance.


I like you.
 
2014-03-14 03:38:07 AM
And, if I didn't make it clear above, brooms and rakes work quite nicely. They don't require gasoline, or belch nasty fumes either.
 
2014-03-14 03:47:07 AM
Phelon Hardtimes:

Tree houses are awesome. My best friends dad built one for us when we were young kids. It was in backyard and in the woods like all tree houses should be.

When I look at the picture of this tree house it just makes me sad. How can you sneak your first smoke, sip of booze or lady (13) up in there without everyone on the street knowing about it? I'm thinking the guy was hell bent on building a tree house and this was the only suitable tree on his property. He wasn't going to stop just because it was between his retaining wall and the sidewalk.


You have no idea how nostalgic this topic makes me... Especially once you brought up most of those things.

Two-years-older long blonde haired hippy-chick who evidently liked me invited herself over (I was also 13.) I think she was trying to tell me something by climbing up to the treehouse in short-shorts with cheek leak. :) After we smoked up (another first time) I was rather better prepared for next years calc class, I understood integration a lot better once everything started stuttering in time and you saw the endless division.

Now that I think about it, treehouses are rather useful as a place. Haybarns even more so, but that's a different story.

I will say this... People will find places to do the "wrong" thing. ALWAYS. Treehouses are nifty places to do so, but I'm sure kids will be finding places to hide in the hydroponic gardens on the moons of Jupiter in the year 3535.
 
2014-03-14 03:48:31 AM

TwowheelinTim: And, if I didn't make it clear above, brooms and rakes work quite nicely. They don't require gasoline, or belch nasty fumes either.



Yes, but then you're not following the tenets of the traditional Japanese Zen leaf blower garden.
 
2014-03-14 03:49:55 AM

Slartibartfaster: strangeluck: 's just an eyesore for the neighborhood

what about that makes your eye sore ?
more importantly ... how farking sore does your eye get before you demand tearing down stuff ?

// get a life


How can you tell someone to get a life when you need one yourself?
 
2014-03-14 03:51:02 AM

LordOfThePings: msnbcmedia4.msn.com


Don't make me pull out my recipes for pie.
 
2014-03-14 04:04:28 AM
Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?

Leaf blowers should be illegal everywhere, especially on the internet.
I can hide from a treehouse. I can cross the street so it doesn't sneak-collapse me to death.
Leaf blowers though - those farkers'll find you. A leaf blower goes through windows, through walls, through doors and headphones and farks you right in the ear, all year long. Just so some emasculated assholecan keep his, buzz-cut pixie prairie looking sharp for all his asshole neighbors. After all, you wouldn't want leaves and lawn trimmings to create an eyesore. It's a national epidemic, these eyesores. Better to shiat in your neighbor's mind with a two stroke motor all farkin' day long than to offend his glance.

Why should leaf blowers be illegal in this thread?

Leaf blowers should be illegal everywhere, especially on the internet.
I can hide from a treehouse. I can cross the street so it doesn't sneak-collapse me to death.
Leaf blowers though - those farkers'll find you. A leaf blower goes through windows, through walls, through doors and headphones and farks you right in the ear, all year long. Just so some emasculated assholecan keep his, buzz-cut pixie prairie looking sharp for all his asshole neighbors. After all, you wouldn't want leaves and lawn trimmings to create an eyesore. It's a national epidemic, these eyesores. Better to shiat in your neighbor's mind with a two stroke motor all farkin' day long than to offend his glance.


AND, I think your rant can only be improved with this ever so subtle change.
 
2014-03-14 04:31:35 AM
Tort reform? What's that? Oh that's the thing that we can't have because a bunch of lawyers throw money at Democrats. This is why we can't have fun anymore, we might get sued.

You want this problem to stop? Support tort reform.
 
2014-03-14 04:59:42 AM
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2014-03-14 06:32:44 AM

Albinoman: Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.

How many 4x4s do you suppose you could get out of that tree? It's plenty strong enough to support the treehouse, but you'd trust a couple sticks of dead pine more? This is why envy is so bad. People shroud it with good intentions and will take away what others have for it.


Are you trolling or do you really not understand?

The outer edges of the treehouse are not directly supported. This is a bad idea structurally. Get a freind and try this to understand:
Lay a napkin down on a table. Now, lift the napkin directly from the center. See what happens?
Now, get a freind and both of you grab a corner and lift together. See the difference? It's much flatter that way.

Now understand that the same forces are applied to wooden structure such as a floor. Now while it won't instantly fold down a tree like an umbrella, surely you understand that the mighty oak in the center of the treehouse is not under attack for being flimsy as the soft pussy woods that support virtually all modern structures.
 
2014-03-14 07:10:48 AM

mike_d85: Albinoman: Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.

How many 4x4s do you suppose you could get out of that tree? It's plenty strong enough to support the treehouse, but you'd trust a couple sticks of dead pine more? This is why envy is so bad. People shroud it with good intentions and will take away what others have for it.

Are you trolling or do you really not understand?

The outer edges of the treehouse are not directly supported. This is a bad idea structurally. Get a freind and try this to understand:
Lay a napkin down on a table. Now, lift the napkin directly from the center. See what happens?
Now, get a freind and both of you grab a corner and lift together. See the difference? It's much flatter that way.

Now understand that the same forces are applied to wooden structure such as a floor. Now while it won't instantly fold down a tree like an umbrella, surely you understand that the mighty oak in the center of the treehouse is not under attack for being flimsy as the soft pussy woods that support virtually all modern structures.


Dude, Statics is a myth propagated by Big Physics.

/get a brain, and all that.
//get a Brian, too.
 
2014-03-14 07:17:20 AM

grimlock1972: Yeah its not overhanging the sidewalk at all and if it did fall toward the side walk  its not gonna make the tree fall that much faster and in fact it will probably spread out the energy of the impact when the tree hits the ground.

I'd wager this was started by a busy body neighbor.


That seems to be over a ton of wood being supported by the tree. I know trees are tough and all, but all it takes is one or two branches to fail and the whole building could come crashing down. And no, it's not DIRECTLY over the sidewalk, but I can tell you, I wouldn't stand on the sidewalk as that thing came down.
 
2014-03-14 07:35:57 AM

mekkab: mike_d85: Albinoman: Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.

How many 4x4s do you suppose you could get out of that tree? It's plenty strong enough to support the treehouse, but you'd trust a couple sticks of dead pine more? This is why envy is so bad. People shroud it with good intentions and will take away what others have for it.

Are you trolling or do you really not understand?

The outer edges of the treehouse are not directly supported. This is a bad idea structurally. Get a freind and try this to understand:
Lay a napkin down on a table. Now, lift the napkin directly from the center. See what happens?
Now, get a freind and both of you grab a corner and lift together. See the difference? It's much flatter that way.

Now understand that the same forces are applied to wooden structure such as a floor. Now while it won't instantly fold down a tree like an umbrella, surely you understand that the mighty oak in the center of the treehouse is not under attack for being flimsy as the soft pussy woods that support virtually all modern structures.

Dude, Statics is a myth propagated by Big Physics.

/get a brain, and all that.
//get a Brian, too.


Yeah the bottom at least appears to not be very supported. But there's more than one way to hold up a structure. So until they put up some actual pictures of how it's built other than a distant shot (there does appear to be an adult man comfortably standing at it's edge, its weakest point) than you can stfu up until we all know what were looking at. You obviously do not know enginnering or know any to see the strange stuff they can come up with. An 18" round tree will easily take a high speed impact from a car. Your house or some 4x4s will not.
 
2014-03-14 07:46:13 AM
More to the point, all those great European cathedrals with their massive vaulted ceilings would be death traps if you only look at the inside. But, when you go outside and see all the arches and ugly flying butresses you understand why its not.
 
2014-03-14 07:49:32 AM
(walks through thread whistling, then goes back to reasonably-run HOA complex)
 
2014-03-14 07:56:23 AM
Similar thing happened when I was a kid to a really cool, little treehouse that had a corner of it overhanging and encroaching on City property. Although in the case I remember, it was a tiny Victorian little thing compared to the monstrosity in TFA.

Problem was solved when the City agreed to let grandparents who owned the house and treehouse to take out a million dollar liability insurance policy on the little thing. The treehouse was there for about 20 years, I don't know if it is still though.
 
2014-03-14 08:00:42 AM

Albinoman: mekkab: mike_d85: Albinoman: Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.

How many 4x4s do you suppose you could get out of that tree? It's plenty strong enough to support the treehouse, but you'd trust a couple sticks of dead pine more? This is why envy is so bad. People shroud it with good intentions and will take away what others have for it.

Are you trolling or do you really not understand?

The outer edges of the treehouse are not directly supported. This is a bad idea structurally. Get a freind and try this to understand:
Lay a napkin down on a table. Now, lift the napkin directly from the center. See what happens?
Now, get a freind and both of you grab a corner and lift together. See the difference? It's much flatter that way.

Now understand that the same forces are applied to wooden structure such as a floor. Now while it won't instantly fold down a tree like an umbrella, surely you understand that the mighty oak in the center of the treehouse is not under attack for being flimsy as the soft pussy woods that support virtually all modern structures.

Dude, Statics is a myth propagated by Big Physics.

/get a brain, and all that.
//get a Brian, too.

Yeah the bottom at least appears to not be very supported. But there's more than one way to hold up a structure. So until they put up some actual pictures of how it's built other than a distant shot (there does appear to be an adult man comfortably standing at it's edge, its weakest point) than you can stfu up until we all know what were looking at. You obviously do not know enginnering or know any to see the strange stuff they can come up with. An 18" round tree will easily take a high speed impact from a car. Your house or some 4x4s will not.


Yep, trolling.
 
2014-03-14 08:02:20 AM
*friend x 6
 
2014-03-14 08:18:56 AM
How does this stuff even happen?

Is it really that hard to talk to the appropriate city people before you start this kind of project?
 
2014-03-14 08:19:49 AM

Iczer: Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.

Agreed. It's a nice gesture to the kids obviously, but I notice two things about it that beg a question or two...

First is just how well built it is since it seems to only have the trunk of the tree supporting it with no branches or anything. And second is the fact that it doesn't really appear to be in his backyard, it looks more like its on a tree that's outside his property line (going on the fence) and is probably on city property. The city itself seems to be a bit confused as there is no sane person alive that'd consider the tree house as hanging over the sidewalk, but they've got a point.


http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2014/03/13/3527468/washington-homeow ne r-fighting.html

https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Pennsylvania+Avenue,+WENATCHEE,+Washi ng ton&hl=en&ll=47.427434,-120.317287&spn=0.002889,0.004823&sll=40.07304, -74.724323&sspn=6.691192,9.876709&hnear=Pennsylvania+Ave,+Wenatchee,+W ashington+98801&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=47.427345,-120.318243&panoid=Q0_ SHCsCsnJWy4k1lFRgbA&cbp=12,187.11,,0,-1.27

The tree is in his FRONT yard.  The cinder blocks look to be a small wall that was used to build up the yard to make it flat, and probably to designate the actual property line.

The town does say it's in their "right of way."  However, it's a residential street.  Yes, I know right of way is for sidewalks, utilities, etc. Is the town going to widen the street to a 4 lane highway?  Probably not.

Town has a point, but I agree with another poster.  Some Mrs Kravitz type complained.
 
2014-03-14 08:25:59 AM
Put it in the backyard. Otherwise that's a nice treehouse
 
2014-03-14 08:43:50 AM

Albinoman: Yeah the bottom at least appears to not be very supported. But there's more than one way to hold up a structure. So until they put up some actual pictures of how it's built other than a distant shot (there does appear to be an adult man comfortably standing at it's edge, its weakest point) than you can stfu up until we all know what were looking at. You obviously do not know enginnering or know any to see the strange stuff they can come up with. An 18" round tree will easily take a high speed impact from a car. Your house or some 4x4s will not.


mike_d85: Yep, trolling.


I'm sure Mike is right, but none-the-less, I'll bite.

Regardless of the construction methods, tree houses are inherently dangerous due to the fact that you are taking an existing structure (tree) and adding a  number of large, flat surfaces that will be readily acted upon by all manner of live loads, including wind, snow and rain.  When you have something that is even *potentially*as dangerous as a tree loaded with plywood and 2x4's going over in a storm, you better make damn sure it isn't near any thing you care about.

/engineer
 
2014-03-14 08:53:27 AM
gunther_bumpass:
i59.tinypic.com
/irony thy name is gunther_bumpass
 
2014-03-14 08:54:02 AM

Albinoman: More to the point, all those great European cathedrals with their massive vaulted ceilings would be death traps if you only look at the inside. But, when you go outside and see all the arches and ugly flying butresses you understand why its not.


Did I miss the arches in it?

Albinoman: So until they put up some actual pictures of how it's built other than a distant shot (there does appear to be an adult man comfortably standing at it's edge, its weakest point) than you can stfu up until we all know what were looking at. You obviously do not know enginnering or know any to see the strange stuff they can come up with



And you know what about engineering?  If you look at the picture he is not on the weakest edge he is on the strongest.  Have him walk to the left or right of the picture.  If you look he is only a few feet from the trunk of the tree so the support is more than enough but if he goes to the other edge that thing will creak but hold for now after a few months of heat/cold/rain/freezeing that thing will buckle without puting some supports to those outer edges.
 
2014-03-14 09:12:52 AM

Albinoman: mekkab: mike_d85: Albinoman: Notabunny: You've won the Awesome-est Dad On The Block award, dude. Seriously. You rock. Now tear that deathtrap down and rebuild it in your back yard on a bunch of 4x4 stilts. Plant some cheery and plum trees around it. Your kids will love it -and- everyone will be safe.

How many 4x4s do you suppose you could get out of that tree? It's plenty strong enough to support the treehouse, but you'd trust a couple sticks of dead pine more? This is why envy is so bad. People shroud it with good intentions and will take away what others have for it.

Are you trolling or do you really not understand?

The outer edges of the treehouse are not directly supported. This is a bad idea structurally. Get a freind and try this to understand:
Lay a napkin down on a table. Now, lift the napkin directly from the center. See what happens?
Now, get a freind and both of you grab a corner and lift together. See the difference? It's much flatter that way.

Now understand that the same forces are applied to wooden structure such as a floor. Now while it won't instantly fold down a tree like an umbrella, surely you understand that the mighty oak in the center of the treehouse is not under attack for being flimsy as the soft pussy woods that support virtually all modern structures.

Dude, Statics is a myth propagated by Big Physics.

/get a brain, and all that.
//get a Brian, too.

Yeah the bottom at least appears to not be very supported. But there's more than one way to hold up a structure. So until they put up some actual pictures of how it's built other than a distant shot (there does appear to be an adult man comfortably standing at it's edge, its weakest point) than you can stfu up until we all know what were looking at. You obviously do not know enginnering or know any to see the strange stuff they can come up with. An 18" round tree will easily take a high speed impact from a car. Your house or some 4x4s will not.



members.iinet.net.au
 
2014-03-14 09:22:59 AM

SmellsLikePoo: Albinoman: Yeah the bottom at least appears to not be very supported. But there's more than one way to hold up a structure. So until they put up some actual pictures of how it's built other than a distant shot (there does appear to be an adult man comfortably standing at it's edge, its weakest point) than you can stfu up until we all know what were looking at. You obviously do not know enginnering or know any to see the strange stuff they can come up with. An 18" round tree will easily take a high speed impact from a car. Your house or some 4x4s will not.

mike_d85: Yep, trolling.

I'm sure Mike is right, but none-the-less, I'll bite.

Regardless of the construction methods, tree houses are inherently dangerous due to the fact that you are taking an existing structure (tree) and adding a  number of large, flat surfaces that will be readily acted upon by all manner of live loads, including wind, snow and rain.  When you have something that is even *potentially*as dangerous as a tree loaded with plywood and 2x4's going over in a storm, you better make damn sure it isn't near any thing you care about.

/engineer


I simply don't believe that as an engineer you're saying it's impossible. If you take a second look at the bottom and you'll notice the guy cut off a very large branch. Hell, look at the whole tree in general. It's obviously been trimmed a lot and grew to hold a much larger load. Think of how large a load that old branch sticking straight out the side would've been. How much load would a 15"x15" uncut piece of lumber withstand? All I'm saying is, until you get a better view you, you don't know it won't work.

Now the guy who built the Grand Canyon Skywalk, he was trolling.
www.grandcanyonbusdeals.com
 
2014-03-14 09:28:17 AM

TwowheelinTim: And, if I didn't make it clear above, brooms and rakes work quite nicely. They don't require gasoline, or belch nasty fumes either.


But how will my neighbors know I'm tidying up my lawn, if I'm not making an annoying 91-decibel noise for hours on end?
 
2014-03-14 09:31:11 AM

Albinoman: I simply don't believe that as an engineer you're saying it's impossible. If you take a second look at the bottom and you'll notice the guy cut off a very large branch. Hell, look at the whole tree in general. It's obviously been trimmed a lot and grew to hold a much larger load. Think of how large a load that old branch sticking straight out the side would've been. How much load would a 15"x15" uncut piece of lumber withstand? All I'm saying is, until you get a better view you, you don't know it won't work.

Now the guy who built the Grand Canyon Skywalk, he was trolling.


If you read what I wrote, I never said it wasn't possible.  And, you're not wrong, I don't know it wouldn't stay up forever... nor does the guy who built it! BUT I'm approaching this as an engineer, and no self-respecting engineer would approach a problem with that mindset.  There are large unknowns.  With a tree, it would be nearly impossible to know its precise capacity.  Engineers are a risk averse folk.  If I were to build something like that, I would have to brace the tree in some fashion so I can reasonably control the failure method, and furthermore, referring back to my original comment, I would make damn sure it wasn't near my property line or anything else I didn't want it falling on.

The sky walk was a neat application of engineering. Stone, Steel, Glass, these are all things with strict properties that are well understood.  Not a good example of why you can or cannot build a treehouse.
 
2014-03-14 09:36:18 AM
I'm just wondering how hot one of the neighbor ladies across the street must be that the dad felt the need to build a post to spy on her.
 
2014-03-14 09:39:12 AM

Phelon Hardtimes: Tree houses are awesome.  My best friends dad built one for us when we were young kids.  It was in backyard and in the woods like all tree houses should be.

When I look at the picture of this tree house it just makes me sad.  How can you sneak your first smoke, sip of booze or lady (13) up in there without everyone on the street knowing about it?  I'm thinking the guy was hell bent on building a tree house and this was the only suitable tree on his property.  He wasn't going to stop just because it was between his retaining wall and the sidewalk.


I noticed similar trees in line with his tree further along the road, it may not even be his tree.  The idiot may have built on city's property, as the wall may be his property line.  I wouldn't be surprised if the realtor who sold him the house gave him the bad idea to begin with.

EatsCrayons: Similar thing happened when I was a kid to a really cool, little treehouse that had a corner of it overhanging and encroaching on City property. Although in the case I remember, it was a tiny Victorian little thing compared to the monstrosity in TFA.

Problem was solved when the City agreed to let grandparents who owned the house and treehouse to take out a million dollar liability insurance policy on the little thing. The treehouse was there for about 20 years, I don't know if it is still though.


I think the city is being reasonable with the same offer.
 
2014-03-14 09:39:58 AM

Waldo Pepper: I'm just wondering how hot one of the neighbor ladies across the street must be that the dad felt the need to build a post to spy on her.


You've seen Wonder Years, didn't you?
 
2014-03-14 09:40:03 AM

SmellsLikePoo: Albinoman: I simply don't believe that as an engineer you're saying it's impossible. If you take a second look at the bottom and you'll notice the guy cut off a very large branch. Hell, look at the whole tree in general. It's obviously been trimmed a lot and grew to hold a much larger load. Think of how large a load that old branch sticking straight out the side would've been. How much load would a 15"x15" uncut piece of lumber withstand? All I'm saying is, until you get a better view you, you don't know it won't work.

Now the guy who built the Grand Canyon Skywalk, he was trolling.

If you read what I wrote, I never said it wasn't possible.  And, you're not wrong, I don't know it wouldn't stay up forever... nor does the guy who built it! BUT I'm approaching this as an engineer, and no self-respecting engineer would approach a problem with that mindset.  There are large unknowns.  With a tree, it would be nearly impossible to know its precise capacity.  Engineers are a risk averse folk.  If I were to build something like that, I would have to brace the tree in some fashion so I can reasonably control the failure method, and furthermore, referring back to my original comment, I would make damn sure it wasn't near my property line or anything else I didn't want it falling on.

The sky walk was a neat application of engineering. Stone, Steel, Glass, these are all things with strict properties that are well understood.  Not a good example of why you can or cannot build a treehouse.


I wonder where these folks got their engineering degree and if they ran the proper risk aversion numbers before building

http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/korowai-tribe-treehouses
 
2014-03-14 09:46:36 AM

SmellsLikePoo: BUT I'm approaching this as an engineer, and no self-respecting engineer would approach a problem with that mindset.  There are large unknowns.  With a tree, it would be nearly impossible to know its precise capacity.  Engineers are a risk averse folk.


Yup. If I had to certify a treehouse, I'd pretend the tree wasn't there and design accordingly.

"Will it work?" is very different than "Does it meet code?"
 
2014-03-14 09:47:04 AM

Waldo Pepper: I wonder where these folks got their engineering degree and if they ran the proper risk aversion numbers before building

http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/korowai-tribe-treehouses


Not sure because Spyware tried to install itself after clicking that link.
 
2014-03-14 10:06:34 AM

SmellsLikePoo: Albinoman: I simply don't believe that as an engineer you're saying it's impossible. If you take a second look at the bottom and you'll notice the guy cut off a very large branch. Hell, look at the whole tree in general. It's obviously been trimmed a lot and grew to hold a much larger load. Think of how large a load that old branch sticking straight out the side would've been. How much load would a 15"x15" uncut piece of lumber withstand? All I'm saying is, until you get a better view you, you don't know it won't work.

Now the guy who built the Grand Canyon Skywalk, he was trolling.

If you read what I wrote, I never said it wasn't possible.  And, you're not wrong, I don't know it wouldn't stay up forever... nor does the guy who built it! BUT I'm approaching this as an engineer, and no self-respecting engineer would approach a problem with that mindset.  There are large unknowns.  With a tree, it would be nearly impossible to know its precise capacity.  Engineers are a risk averse folk.  If I were to build something like that, I would have to brace the tree in some fashion so I can reasonably control the failure method, and furthermore, referring back to my original comment, I would make damn sure it wasn't near my property line or anything else I didn't want it falling on.

The sky walk was a neat application of engineering. Stone, Steel, Glass, these are all things with strict properties that are well understood.  Not a good example of why you can or cannot build a treehouse.


SmellsLikePoo: Albinoman: I simply don't believe that as an engineer you're saying it's impossible. If you take a second look at the bottom and you'll notice the guy cut off a very large branch. Hell, look at the whole tree in general. It's obviously been trimmed a lot and grew to hold a much larger load. Think of how large a load that old branch sticking straight out the side would've been. How much load would a 15"x15" uncut piece of lumber withstand? All I'm saying is, until you get a better view you, you don't know it won't work.

Now the guy who built the Grand Canyon Skywalk, he was trolling.

If you read what I wrote, I never said it wasn't possible.  And, you're not wrong, I don't know it wouldn't stay up forever... nor does the guy who built it! BUT I'm approaching this as an engineer, and no self-respecting engineer would approach a problem with that mindset.  There are large unknowns.  With a tree, it would be nearly impossible to know its precise capacity.  Engineers are a risk averse folk.  If I were to build something like that, I would have to brace the tree in some fashion so I can reasonably control the failure method, and furthermore, referring back to my original comment, I would make damn sure it wasn't near my property line or anything else I didn't want it falling on.

The sky walk was a neat application of engineering. Stone, Steel, Glass, these are all things with strict properties that are well understood.  Not a good example of why you can or cannot build a treehouse.


I only provided the skywalk as an example because it was intentionally built to look scary even though it's extremely sturdy. I'll agree that he doesn't know if there are any cracks on the inside or how well the roots are anchored, etc. But, a large telephone pole (1ft thick is as big as they go) can handle 5 tons horizontally. I'm sure if you were bent on building a safe one you could. And yes, he should brace the corners from below.
 
2014-03-14 10:17:30 AM

TNel: Waldo Pepper: I wonder where these folks got their engineering degree and if they ran the proper risk aversion numbers before building

http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/korowai-tribe-treehouses

Not sure because Spyware tried to install itself after clicking that link.


i've never had a issue with that site.  but here i'll make it easy for you. just google
Korowai Tribe's Tree Houses
 
2014-03-14 10:24:14 AM

Waldo Pepper: TNel: Waldo Pepper: I wonder where these folks got their engineering degree and if they ran the proper risk aversion numbers before building

http://www.mymodernmet.com/profiles/blogs/korowai-tribe-treehouses

Not sure because Spyware tried to install itself after clicking that link.

i've never had a issue with that site.  but here i'll make it easy for you. just google
Korowai Tribe's Tree Houses


I see lots of diagonal bracing and independent support posts. These people obviously know a thing or two about building treehouses.
 
2014-03-14 11:09:22 AM

sxacho: I see lots of diagonal bracing and independent support posts. These people obviously know a thing or two about building treehouses.


I also see a lot of branches being utilized and not just the trunk of the tree.
 
2014-03-14 01:17:42 PM

Two16: gunther_bumpass:
[i59.tinypic.com image 850x219]
/irony thy name is gunther_bumpass


I would think that only strengthens my argument against pointless and irritating expulsions of air.
 
2014-03-14 02:51:32 PM

Dedmon: grimlock1972: Yeah its not overhanging the sidewalk at all and if it did fall toward the side walk  its not gonna make the tree fall that much faster and in fact it will probably spread out the energy of the impact when the tree hits the ground.

I'd wager this was started by a busy body neighbor.

That seems to be over a ton of wood being supported by the tree. I know trees are tough and all, but all it takes is one or two branches to fail and the whole building could come crashing down. And no, it's not DIRECTLY over the sidewalk, but I can tell you, I wouldn't stand on the sidewalk as that thing came down.


I would hope no one would and as for weight its really impossible to judge from a single photo that shows none of the under structure.
 
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