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2014-03-14 12:08:10 AM  
By Todd Starnes

By all rights this should be the point where I post the "Stopped reading there" gif. But let's see what he has to say...

Less derpy than I was expecting. Still, someone was forced to erase a white board! Fetch my fainting couch!

And doesn't the AF Academy have a pretty bad history of cadets evangelizing and ostracizing atheists and minority religious members?
 
2014-03-14 12:39:40 AM  
FTA:

"So I posed the following question to the Air Force Academy. Would they have directed a Muslim cadet leader to erase a passage from the Koran? The academy has yet to answer my question - but I suspect well all know the answer."

No, I would like you to spell that out, along with the reasoning behind your answer, Mr. Starnes.

BTW, you're going to need help hammering that last nail in.
 
2014-03-14 12:41:52 AM  

fusillade762: By Todd Starnes

By all rights this should be the point where I post the "Stopped reading there" gif. But let's see what he has to say...

Less derpy than I was expecting. Still, someone was forced to erase a white board! Fetch my fainting couch!

And doesn't the AF Academy have a pretty bad history of cadets evangelizing and ostracizing atheists and minority religious members?


I didn't go to the academy.  I was enlisted but had friends who did. Most people that go there say it was just media sensilization.  The vast majority of people that are admitted are smart enough to stay away from that crap.
 
2014-03-14 12:47:52 AM  
What is the purpose for these whiteboard? Are they for posting "quotes of the day?" Proselytizing? I think not. More likely they are an accountability tool for the cadet's whereabouts. Anyone have some insight?

/"May the Schwartz be with you!"
 
2014-03-14 12:48:21 AM  

fusillade762: And doesn't the AF Academy have a pretty bad history of cadets evangelizing and ostracizing atheists and minority religious members?


it's mostly among certain cliques. there are groups that are on the hardcore evangelical religious side of things, then groups like the football team that are more religious because religion and football are so intertwined in a lot of people's eyes, but there's also cliques of people who fark in classrooms and get sloshed in their rooms every night etc.

the main difference is that counterculture isn't really something that's visible, and evangelism thrives in that kind of an environment. at a regular college you can just tell the guy to fark off and never see them again, but there you have the repercussions of having to deal with classmates your entire AF career
 
2014-03-14 12:50:46 AM  
FTFA: "This academy should be training warriors who can deal with difficult situations and determined enemies," Boykin said. "A scripture is hardly a threat."

Except that that the certifiably batshiat crazy Boykin is on record saying otherwise. When the Scripture in question is the Quran then all hell breaks loose.
 
2014-03-14 12:52:27 AM  
This guy is calling our sainted military leadership liars?
 
2014-03-14 12:57:15 AM  
Friends of the cadet tell me the young man had posted the verse several months ago and considered the New Testament passage as a source of inspiration.

So write it somewhere inside your room where you see it while working, douchebag.  If its facing outward you're not going to be getting any inspiration out of it.

Scribble it on the "hang in there" cat poster or whatever.

The whiteboard is for you to write where you are so that the people you're managing (subordinates or mentees or customers or whatever) can know where to find you when you're out, or at least when you'll be back.
 
2014-03-14 12:58:17 AM  
sprawl15:

fusillade762: And doesn't the AF Academy have a pretty bad history of cadets evangelizing and ostracizing atheists and minority religious members?

it's mostly among certain cliques. there are groups that are on the hardcore evangelical religious side of things, then groups like the football team that are more religious because religion and football are so intertwined in a lot of people's eyes, but there's also cliques of people who fark in classrooms and get sloshed in their rooms every night etc.

the main difference is that counterculture isn't really something that's visible, and evangelism thrives in that kind of an environment. at a regular college you can just tell the guy to fark off and never see them again, but there you have the repercussions of having to deal with classmates your entire AF career


I've never been in the military, but from what I know from people who *have* been the chain of command runs something like:

1) The military and it's policies. Your mind, soul and ass belong to them.
2) Personal beliefs.

Doubly so when you're some cadet at an academy, triply so if you're in a position of minor responsibility. So it's probably a bad idea to post religious quotes of any stripe under your name and rank much as it's a bad idea to speak publicly on a controversy while in uniform.
 
2014-03-14 12:59:23 AM  

maxheck: FTA:

"So I posed the following question to the Air Force Academy. Would they have directed a Muslim cadet leader to erase a passage from the Koran? The academy has yet to answer my question - but I suspect well all know the answer."

No, I would like you to spell that out, along with the reasoning behind your answer, Mr. Starnes.

BTW, you're going to need help hammering that last nail in.


And if it was a message from the Koran you can guarantee this guy would be one of the first to complain about i.t
 
2014-03-14 01:01:17 AM  
A spokesman for the Air Force Academy confirmed that the religious text was cleansed from the board - even though there  is no specific rule against posting religious messages.

welcome to the farking military.

get used to having to obey rules that aren't specifically written and are at the whims of others who control every waking moment of your life.
 
2014-03-14 01:01:51 AM  

olderbudnoweiser: What is the purpose for these whiteboard? Are they for posting "quotes of the day?" Proselytizing? I think not. More likely they are an accountability tool for the cadet's whereabouts. Anyone have some insight?

/"May the Schwartz be with you!"


As mentioned, partially for accountability. Say where you are if people need to get in touch with you. Its also a generic college/uni/academy thing. I had one put up for just leaving messages on(which mostly ended up being my then girlfriend writing things to me), but then people did nothing but draw dicks on it.
 
2014-03-14 01:08:21 AM  

fusillade762: By Todd Starnes

By all rights this should be the point where I post the "Stopped reading there" gif. But let's see what he has to say...

Less derpy than I was expecting. Still, someone was forced to erase a white board! Fetch my fainting couch!

And doesn't the AF Academy have a pretty bad history of cadets evangelizing and ostracizing atheists and minority religious members?


This. The Academy has a history of trying to train Armageddon warrior fly-boys. The chaplains were very open about how they thought end-times Christian doctrine was proper material.
 
2014-03-14 01:11:24 AM  
 haha the good  old white board. I was enlisted , not  officer. I always put  quirky remarks upon the doors  via deployments when I was out.Never a religious tome at all. This is a non-issue  in which  a person with the limited bio that I got  was never  in the  military at all peace or war time.  So, I don't give a  fark  about this
trying to be in the media Gad-fly.


/ when I was deployed  I had snark remarks  of the cultural food stuufs each  mission dealt  with of said countries. Or  if K.I.A.  please  by  bartab at said  bar.
 
2014-03-14 01:11:38 AM  

maxheck: Doubly so when you're some cadet at an academy, triply so if you're in a position of minor responsibility.


the issue is more that the relationship between military and religion has always been oddly close, in an institution that nominally thrives on tradition

and that's especially bad in the air force because they don't really have traditions older than the 40's/50's when being religious was pretty much culturally expected

plus the academies are very removed from what life in the actual military is like, so the reverence of tradition is not tempered by reality

Caffienatedjedi: As mentioned, partially for accountability.


if it belonged to the ops nco then it's probably an announcement board of some type
 
2014-03-14 01:13:16 AM  

invictus2: haha the good  old white board. I was enlisted , not  officer. I always put  quirky remarks upon the doors  via deployments when I was out.Never a religious tome at all. This is a non-issue  in which  a person with the limited bio that I got  was never  in the  military at all peace or war time.  So, I don't give a  fark  about this
trying to be in the media Gad-fly.


/ when I was deployed  I had snark remarks  of the cultural food stuufs each  mission dealt  with of said countries. Or  if K.I.A.  please  by  bartab at said  bar.


 oops  pay  bar tab
 
2014-03-14 01:15:12 AM  
I would have more sympathy for the guy whose board got erased if the writer of the article wasn't an absolute shiat heel.
 
2014-03-14 01:26:03 AM  
I can see where posting all of Jesus's libby-lib "turn the other cheek" and being peacemakers teachings would be detrimental in a military academy.
 
2014-03-14 01:27:06 AM  
Todd Starnes

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2014-03-14 01:28:24 AM  

techgeek07: fusillade762: By Todd Starnes

By all rights this should be the point where I post the "Stopped reading there" gif. But let's see what he has to say...

Less derpy than I was expecting. Still, someone was forced to erase a white board! Fetch my fainting couch!

And doesn't the AF Academy have a pretty bad history of cadets evangelizing and ostracizing atheists and minority religious members?

I didn't go to the academy.  I was enlisted but had friends who did. Most people that go there say it was just media sensilization.  The vast majority of people that are admitted are smart enough to stay away from that crap.


Ymmv. I work for the fed gov and as a result work with many ex military. The air force guys are especially religious, and the army and navy guys agree with me on that.
 
2014-03-14 01:30:05 AM  
"The scripture was below the cadet's name on a white board and could cause subordinates to doubt the leader's religious impartiality," the superintendant said.

No.
www.thefrisky.com

/That snuff porn crap tended to get on my nerves when I wore a blue suit.
 
2014-03-14 01:30:48 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: And if it was a message from the Koran you can guarantee this guy would be one of the first to complain about i.t


109:1 Say: O disbelievers!
109:2 I worship not that which ye worship;
109:3 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
109:4 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
109:5 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109:6 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
 
2014-03-14 01:34:49 AM  

maxheck: sprawl15:

fusillade762: And doesn't the AF Academy have a pretty bad history of cadets evangelizing and ostracizing atheists and minority religious members?

it's mostly among certain cliques. there are groups that are on the hardcore evangelical religious side of things, then groups like the football team that are more religious because religion and football are so intertwined in a lot of people's eyes, but there's also cliques of people who fark in classrooms and get sloshed in their rooms every night etc.

the main difference is that counterculture isn't really something that's visible, and evangelism thrives in that kind of an environment. at a regular college you can just tell the guy to fark off and never see them again, but there you have the repercussions of having to deal with classmates your entire AF career

I've never been in the military, but from what I know from people who *have* been the chain of command runs something like:

1) The military and it's policies. Your mind, soul and ass belong to them.
2) Personal beliefs.

Doubly so when you're some cadet at an academy, triply so if you're in a position of minor responsibility. So it's probably a bad idea to post religious quotes of any stripe under your name and rank much as it's a bad idea to speak publicly on a controversy while in uniform.


There is policy and there is practice. The true policy is set by your one's superiors and what they get away with in practice.

This is true anywhere you work, but I think he is correct about the crushing of counterculture within the military. Look how hard even the policy setters fight against a variety of changes, like women and gays.
 
2014-03-14 01:35:41 AM  
You know, if those fundies would stop trying to take over the military for their own ends, that would be greeeeat.
 
2014-03-14 01:36:04 AM  

sprawl15: religion and football are so intertwined in a lot of people's eyes



They are, you know.

www.sabotagetimes.com
 
2014-03-14 01:38:44 AM  

Todd Starnes, have you heard the Good News?

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You are a Most Punchable Face Contender!

 
2014-03-14 01:44:55 AM  
sprawl15:

maxheck: Doubly so when you're some cadet at an academy, triply so if you're in a position of minor responsibility.

the issue is more that the relationship between military and religion has always been oddly close, in an institution that nominally thrives on tradition

and that's especially bad in the air force because they don't really have traditions older than the 40's/50's when being religious was pretty much culturally expected

plus the academies are very removed from what life in the actual military is like, so the reverence of tradition is not tempered by reality


And academies probably have much more of a tradition-fetish than the actual military. As you hinted, the actual military has to deal with real life. But you'd think in a situation where they are the most hardass about what you think, say, do... Where the whole "bounce a quarter off your bed" is more than a cliche (i.e. academies,) they'd come down hardest on people who went stated military policies, including "this is a secular operation."

Still, it's not college... You can't scrawl "Free Mumia!" or "Legalize Pot!" or "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" next to your name and rank.


Or then again, maybe there's a culture that is perfectly willing to encourage certain behavior in Colorado Springs. I don't even disagree with his sentiment, that's fine if it gives him inspiration. But he's a complete dumbass for doing what he did under his name and rank at a military academy.
 
2014-03-14 01:47:35 AM  
The Restore Military Religious Freedom Coalition

holy fark, when did they mandate that all members of the military remain agnostic for life???!??
 
2014-03-14 01:47:53 AM  
Christians really are being persecuted in some parts of the world.

BUT NOT HERE

/quit trivializing their suffering for your whining.
 
2014-03-14 01:49:17 AM  
"My god has a bigger dick than your god."

--Retired Army General Jerry Boykin
 
2014-03-14 01:51:40 AM  
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2014-03-14 01:54:26 AM  
Christians have complete domination over the Air Force Academy for years and no complaints from them of course about the rights of other students, but then get one bible passage erased off an erasable board and suddenly it's "Christian persecution"? Everyone from this Restore Military Religious Freedom Coalition should be forced eat a bag of dicks until they acknowledge the difference between freedom of religion and supremacy of religion and act properly towards both concepts.
 
2014-03-14 01:57:55 AM  
That crap has been going on for years.  The Air Force has been taken over my religious fascists.  Just like all Marines are represented by Lt Calley and Col North (baby killers or liars), the Air Force people are all whack jobs.

Unless someone truly speaks out against them inside the Air Force.  That won't happen because they have become a bunch of cowards.
 
2014-03-14 02:03:09 AM  
It's pretty clear that we can only trust Christians to kill and maim by the hundreds of thousands.
 
2014-03-14 02:06:15 AM  
Smackledorfer:

maxheck: sprawl15:

fusillade762: And doesn't the AF Academy have a pretty bad history of cadets evangelizing and ostracizing atheists and minority religious members?

it's mostly among certain cliques. there are groups that are on the hardcore evangelical religious side of things, then groups like the football team that are more religious because religion and football are so intertwined in a lot of people's eyes, but there's also cliques of people who fark in classrooms and get sloshed in their rooms every night etc.

the main difference is that counterculture isn't really something that's visible, and evangelism thrives in that kind of an environment. at a regular college you can just tell the guy to fark off and never see them again, but there you have the repercussions of having to deal with classmates your entire AF career

I've never been in the military, but from what I know from people who *have* been the chain of command runs something like:

1) The military and it's policies. Your mind, soul and ass belong to them.
2) Personal beliefs.

Doubly so when you're some cadet at an academy, triply so if you're in a position of minor responsibility. So it's probably a bad idea to post religious quotes of any stripe under your name and rank much as it's a bad idea to speak publicly on a controversy while in uniform.

There is policy and there is practice. The true policy is set by your one's superiors and what they get away with in practice.

This is true anywhere you work, but I think he is correct about the crushing of counterculture within the military. Look how hard even the policy setters fight against a variety of changes, like women and gays.


Agreed... That does sort of make the argument that maybe academies need to be the focus of "Look, this is the crud the Pentagon does not need. You will stop that."

How the heck did we ever manage to integrate the military? That involved every level of the military.

That was before my time and during an all-out war that no one doubted, but there has to be some lessons there.
 
2014-03-14 02:24:03 AM  
So it's the anti, anti-marcus group? I don't know anymore. What if they wrote Judas Priest in right-angle rawk scribe on their journal? This is just stupid now.

/csb

Me: "So do you still attend bible study classes?"
Response: "I don't want to talk about it."
Me:

i.imgur.com


floorhumpguy.bmp
 
2014-03-14 02:30:21 AM  
It doesn't help that the Academy is in Colorado Springs, a sort of fundie magnet, headquarters for a national organization or three, right?
 
2014-03-14 02:39:49 AM  

Satanic_Hamster: maxheck: FTA:

"So I posed the following question to the Air Force Academy. Would they have directed a Muslim cadet leader to erase a passage from the Koran? The academy has yet to answer my question - but I suspect well all know the answer."

No, I would like you to spell that out, along with the reasoning behind your answer, Mr. Starnes.

BTW, you're going to need help hammering that last nail in.

And if it was a message from the Koran you can guarantee this guy would be one of the first to complain about i.t


They wouldn't have complained - a bunch of Christian Fundies would have just beaten the guy up.
 
2014-03-14 02:40:15 AM  

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2014-03-14 02:42:20 AM  
The Air Force Academy.

Isn't that where they train up good Christian Airmen that desecrate another religion's holy site on campus?
 
2014-03-14 03:26:16 AM  
FTA:

"So I posed the following question to the Air Force Academy. Would they have directed a Muslim cadet leader to erase a passage from the Koran?"

Just wondering, because the article didn't say...

Who did he ask it of? Did he just yell it at a cloud?
Abbie Hoffman asked questions of the Pentagon right before he levitated it, I am sure... And Root Boy Slim right before he pissed on it. All with equal effect.
 
2014-03-14 03:29:34 AM  
i like this guy's pissing and moaning about the cadet's first amendment rights.  Sorry, you sign up for the military and your rights become what the military says they are, not what's in the constitution.  Thought this was common knowledge.
 
2014-03-14 03:39:05 AM  

wax_on: i like this guy's pissing and moaning about the cadet's first amendment rights.  Sorry, you sign up for the military and your rights become what the military says they are, not what's in the constitution.  Thought this was common knowledge.


It would be more accurate to say that Congress, acting in accordance with Article I Section 8 wrote the Uniform Code of Military Justice in a way that effectively limits certain of your rights while you are serving. (And certain actions taken after you leave may place you back under the UCMJ, even decades later.)
 
2014-03-14 03:47:23 AM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: wax_on: i like this guy's pissing and moaning about the cadet's first amendment rights.  Sorry, you sign up for the military and your rights become what the military says they are, not what's in the constitution.  Thought this was common knowledge.

It would be more accurate to say that Congress, acting in accordance with Article I Section 8 wrote the Uniform Code of Military Justice in a way that effectively limits certain of your rights while you are serving. (And certain actions taken after you leave may place you back under the UCMJ, even decades later.)


Yes, that's what I meant. :P
 
2014-03-14 03:51:23 AM  
the Bible verse was erased from the cadet leader's whiteboard

This? This is persecution?

What emotionally flabby, weak, fragile people these American "Christians" are.
Get out of my military.
 
2014-03-14 03:54:59 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Friends of the cadet tell me the young man had posted the verse several months ago and considered the New Testament passage as a source of inspiration.

So write it somewhere inside your room where you see it while working, douchebag.  If its facing outward you're not going to be getting any inspiration out of it.

Scribble it on the "hang in there" cat poster or whatever.

The whiteboard is for you to write where you are so that the people you're managing (subordinates or mentees or customers or whatever) can know where to find you when you're out, or at least when you'll be back.


Well, that's what he was doing. He said that he was crucified with Christ, so he'll be back in 3 days.
 
2014-03-14 04:06:22 AM  
It was a pretty lousy quote.
 
2014-03-14 04:06:23 AM  

zamboni: Jim_Callahan: Friends of the cadet tell me the young man had posted the verse several months ago and considered the New Testament passage as a source of inspiration.

So write it somewhere inside your room where you see it while working, douchebag.  If its facing outward you're not going to be getting any inspiration out of it.

Scribble it on the "hang in there" cat poster or whatever.

The whiteboard is for you to write where you are so that the people you're managing (subordinates or mentees or customers or whatever) can know where to find you when you're out, or at least when you'll be back.

Well, that's what he was doing. He said that he was crucified with Christ, so he'll be back in 3 days.


NAILED IT!!!
 
2014-03-14 04:45:59 AM  
This guy should be fed to lions so he knows what real persecution is.
 
2014-03-14 04:50:03 AM  

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Few people look so much like their names. The only thing more apt would be if his middle name was "Kickmeinmyballs".
 
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