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(Huffington Post UK)   Forget about all those crazy theories of what happened to the missing Malaysian Airlines flight, this student knows what happened   (huffingtonpost.co.uk) divider line 181
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2014-03-13 09:53:43 PM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: They need to find this thing soon, or at least pieces of it or we have a problem.

My theory.  A crew member (or two) took control, shut the systems down that they could and flew to a preplanned remote destination across the Indian Ocean.  With assistance of waiting accomplices, the rest of the crew and passengers were removed and executed.  Have been removed and replaced with a big bomb.  either bigish nuclear or small nuke triggered EMP.  Plane takes off and flies low again to its intended target.  The plane is easily flown by one person.  Soon.


That never happened the other time someone stole a Boeing jetliner
 
2014-03-13 09:55:11 PM

tarheel07: If the plane crashed on land, wouldn't the fire and smoke be pretty visible from the air and space? Crashing in a jungle may hide some wreckage but I would think an av-gas fueled forest fire would be a sight to behold.

A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

Or, perhaps, a crippled and communications-less plane attempted to land in foreign airspace but was mistaken for an enemy aircraft and shot down. A cover-up commences upon the discovery of the mistake.


If it crashed because it ran out of fuel, it wouldn't burn at all.
 
2014-03-13 10:03:20 PM

ransack.: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: They need to find this thing soon, or at least pieces of it or we have a problem.

My theory.  A crew member (or two) took control, shut the systems down that they could and flew to a preplanned remote destination across the Indian Ocean.  With assistance of waiting accomplices, the rest of the crew and passengers were removed and executed.  Have been removed and replaced with a big bomb.  either bigish nuclear or small nuke triggered EMP.  Plane takes off and flies low again to its intended target.  The plane is easily flown by one person.  Soon.

That never happened the other time someone stole a Boeing jetliner


These things get stolen left and right. They are the Toyota Camry of the sky.
 
2014-03-13 10:06:16 PM

ransack.: tarheel07: If the plane crashed on land, wouldn't the fire and smoke be pretty visible from the air and space? Crashing in a jungle may hide some wreckage but I would think an av-gas fueled forest fire would be a sight to behold.

A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

Or, perhaps, a crippled and communications-less plane attempted to land in foreign airspace but was mistaken for an enemy aircraft and shot down. A cover-up commences upon the discovery of the mistake.

If it crashed because it ran out of fuel, it wouldn't burn at all.


I thought that too but there would have to be some fuel residue and remnants in the tanks to start a blaze going. Not an expert, just speculating.
 
2014-03-13 10:07:24 PM
Here's how that could work: If he's right, he's a genius. If he's wrong he's just another kid.
 
2014-03-13 10:12:12 PM
It might look like a cover up and or a nefarious plan, but I think they just suck at search and rescue missions and public relations.It is amateur hour and it shows. There is so much misinformation that it is pointless to make an educated guess.
 
2014-03-13 10:21:15 PM

ransack.: tarheel07: If the plane crashed on land, wouldn't the fire and smoke be pretty visible from the air and space? Crashing in a jungle may hide some wreckage but I would think an av-gas fueled forest fire would be a sight to behold.

A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

Or, perhaps, a crippled and communications-less plane attempted to land in foreign airspace but was mistaken for an enemy aircraft and shot down. A cover-up commences upon the discovery of the mistake.

If it crashed because it ran out of fuel, it wouldn't burn at all.


gfx.dagbladet.no

That will be hard to find in a jungle.
 
2014-03-13 10:29:08 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: I like how we're now basing entire news articles on people's theories..


People on TUMBLR's theories no less.


CHECK YOUR AIRPLANE PRIVILEGE!
 
2014-03-13 10:32:28 PM

Coconut Meat: It might look like a cover up and or a nefarious plan, but I think they just suck at search and rescue missions and public relations.It is amateur hour and it shows. There is so much misinformation that it is pointless to make an educated guess.


The Malaysians do not seem to be particularly competent at running a search and rescue op.

Boeing has debunked the claim of the engines running for 4 hours after contact was lost.

Common sense debunks the current claim that ACARS was trying to login via satcom for 4 hours only to be rejected repeatedly because the Malaysians don't use it. You think we waste satcom time with repeated rejected logins? What a waste of bandwidth.

The only way to tell when the signals were shut off on the aircraft is by looking at the black boxes, so the guy who says the transmitters were shutdown 15 minutes apart is bunk too.
 
2014-03-13 10:42:18 PM

fluffy2097: Coconut Meat: It might look like a cover up and or a nefarious plan, but I think they just suck at search and rescue missions and public relations.It is amateur hour and it shows. There is so much misinformation that it is pointless to make an educated guess.

The Malaysians do not seem to be particularly competent at running a search and rescue op.


Common sense debunks the current claim that ACARS was trying to login via satcom for 4 hours only to be rejected repeatedly because the Malaysians don't use it. You think we waste satcom time with repeated rejected logins? What a waste of bandwidth.

The only way to tell when the signals were shut off on the aircraft is by looking at the black boxes, so the guy who says the transmitters were shutdown 15 minutes apart is bunk too.



They could not find their arse with both hands. Aint these the same people that live on top of floating doors in cardboard boxes
 
2014-03-13 10:46:02 PM
How about no.

//airline pilot.
 
2014-03-13 10:50:22 PM

lindalouwho: starlost: cretinbob:

i just want to thank you for the payne stewart.i guess it went over everyone's head.

I keep seeing that name in these threads, so I finally looked it up. The article mentions several other known, similar situations. I know nothing about aviation, but on the surface it seems plausible for this plane too.


I'm something of a golf fan and he was by all accounts a REALLY great guy. That day I heard about the incident and spent the next few hours monitoring events as it played out. It was evident fairly early that there was no hope but for the families of those on board I was really hoping they didn't have to blast the plane out of the sky. That was a crappy day.
 
2014-03-13 11:33:25 PM

This About That: Here's how that could work: If he's right, he's a genius. If he's wrong he's just another kid.


Uh no. If he's right, it's a lucky guess.

He's pretty smart if he's majoring in Comp Sci, but he's no genius or else he wouldn't have gone on CNN flapping his lips.

Everything he said can be learned by watching Air Crash Investigation. What he said happened is a long shot.
 
2014-03-13 11:46:52 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: This About That: Here's how that could work: If he's right, he's a genius. If he's wrong he's just another kid.

Uh no. If he's right, it's a lucky guess.

He's pretty smart if he's majoring in Comp Sci, but he's no genius or else he wouldn't have gone on CNN flapping his lips.

Everything he said can be learned by watching Air Crash Investigation. What he said happened is a long shot.


Well, exactly. You take the potential upside (famous teenage genius) and compare that to the potential downside (ordinary wiseass, which he already is) and decide it's worth doing.
 
2014-03-13 11:48:41 PM

Chris Ween: ransack.: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: They need to find this thing soon, or at least pieces of it or we have a problem.

My theory.  A crew member (or two) took control, shut the systems down that they could and flew to a preplanned remote destination across the Indian Ocean.  With assistance of waiting accomplices, the rest of the crew and passengers were removed and executed.  Have been removed and replaced with a big bomb.  either bigish nuclear or small nuke triggered EMP.  Plane takes off and flies low again to its intended target.  The plane is easily flown by one person.  Soon.

That never happened the other time someone stole a Boeing jetliner

These things get stolen left and right. They are the Toyota Camry of the sky.


On 25 May 2003 a Boeing 727-223, registered N844AA, was stolen from Quatro de Fevereiro Airport, Luanda, Angola.
 
2014-03-13 11:56:36 PM
OK. Now we can all get on with our lives.
 
2014-03-14 12:03:58 AM
warosu.org
 
2014-03-14 12:09:49 AM
Decompression was a theory already touted by numerous persons on Fark days ago (probably the day the plane went missing).  It came up on every thread since then.  And I assume pretty much every other Aviation "expert" atleast gave that theory some thought since the Helios accident is a well studied/examined scenario.

But of course since this kid has a dad as a pilot, attended the 787 premiere AND he's going to Stanford... I mean obviously he's an expert.  Jeezus, the f--king media these days.
 
2014-03-14 12:23:52 AM
Things I believe I know:

Time of Useful Consciousness at 40,000 feet = 15 seconds
Recurrent training of high altitude systems = 4 times annually (sim) /every overseas initial leg/ typical

Minimum Landing Distance 777 = approx 2800 feet
Minimum Takeoff Distance 777 = approx 5000 feet
Max Range 777 200/ER (extended range) = 7725 n.m.  Leg length = approx 2250 n.m. plus reserves 300 n.m.

Time to run electrical fire checklist varies by crew, item on fire, then time to isolate smoking device.  Oxygen masks are on crew at this time.

Inject:
Many news articles express radio systems were shut down down intentionally minutes apart.
Plane turned.

Thoughts:
Bad things usually happen linked in a chain of events...
Decompression, rapid or otherwise, at altitude, can be remedied successfully. (assuming you have oxygen)
Electrical Fire in-flight is a bit tricky and can include shutting off avionics in sequence.
Stressful situation.

Jumped to Conclusion:
Avionics bay fire? Perhaps not the nice kind that goes out when power on the bus is removed. A turn to a general heading for a recovery field, reckoning dead initially? Things go pear, plane drift-down until contact?

Personal experience:
I once had a guy pull the three remaining fire handles on short final for a single engine fire, killing all radios.  (I offered to open the battery switch, turn off the hydraulics, and toss the battery out the window for good measure...)

Ran a real-deal electrical fire checklist out over the nothing once.  Took a while (20min) and not fun.

Tommy Lee Jones Voice:
I want a report showing me all possible landing runways in a 2500nm circumference emanating from Kuala Lumpur avoiding all known radar rings in Southeast Asia.  Call State and see if the folks from Banda Aceh are still pissed about that thing. And no, I would not like some durian.

or has this been voiced before?
 
2014-03-14 12:28:21 AM

I AM BECOME DERP: Things I believe I know:

Time of Useful Consciousness at 40,000 feet = 15 seconds
Recurrent training of high altitude systems = 4 times annually (sim) /every overseas initial leg/ typical

Minimum Landing Distance 777 = approx 2800 feet
Minimum Takeoff Distance 777 = approx 5000 feet
Max Range 777 200/ER (extended range) = 7725 n.m.  Leg length = approx 2250 n.m. plus reserves 300 n.m.

Time to run electrical fire checklist varies by crew, item on fire, then time to isolate smoking device.  Oxygen masks are on crew at this time.

Inject:
Many news articles express radio systems were shut down down intentionally minutes apart.
Plane turned.

Thoughts:
Bad things usually happen linked in a chain of events...
Decompression, rapid or otherwise, at altitude, can be remedied successfully. (assuming you have oxygen)
Electrical Fire in-flight is a bit tricky and can include shutting off avionics in sequence.
Stressful situation.

Jumped to Conclusion:
Avionics bay fire? Perhaps not the nice kind that goes out when power on the bus is removed. A turn to a general heading for a recovery field, reckoning dead initially? Things go pear, plane drift-down until contact?

Personal experience:
I once had a guy pull the three remaining fire handles on short final for a single engine fire, killing all radios.  (I offered to open the battery switch, turn off the hydraulics, and toss the battery out the window for good measure...)

Ran a real-deal electrical fire checklist out over the nothing once.  Took a while (20min) and not fun.

Tommy Lee Jones Voice:
I want a report showing me all possible landing runways in a 2500nm circumference emanating from Kuala Lumpur avoiding all known radar rings in Southeast Asia.  Call State and see if the folks from Banda Aceh are still pissed about that thing. And no, I would not like some durian.

or has this been voiced before?


DERP
 
2014-03-14 12:38:38 AM

I AM BECOME DERP: Things I believe I know:

Time of Useful Consciousness at 40,000 feet = 15 seconds
Recurrent training of high altitude systems = 4 times annually (sim) /every overseas initial leg/ typical

Minimum Landing Distance 777 = approx 2800 feet
Minimum Takeoff Distance 777 = approx 5000 feet
Max Range 777 200/ER (extended range) = 7725 n.m.  Leg length = approx 2250 n.m. plus reserves 300 n.m.

Time to run electrical fire checklist varies by crew, item on fire, then time to isolate smoking device.  Oxygen masks are on crew at this time.

Inject:
Many news articles express radio systems were shut down down intentionally minutes apart.
Plane turned.

Thoughts:
Bad things usually happen linked in a chain of events...
Decompression, rapid or otherwise, at altitude, can be remedied successfully. (assuming you have oxygen)
Electrical Fire in-flight is a bit tricky and can include shutting off avionics in sequence.
Stressful situation.

Jumped to Conclusion:
Avionics bay fire? Perhaps not the nice kind that goes out when power on the bus is removed. A turn to a general heading for a recovery field, reckoning dead initially? Things go pear, plane drift-down until contact?

Personal experience:
I once had a guy pull the three remaining fire handles on short final for a single engine fire, killing all radios.  (I offered to open the battery switch, turn off the hydraulics, and toss the battery out the window for good measure...)

Ran a real-deal electrical fire checklist out over the nothing once.  Took a while (20min) and not fun.

Tommy Lee Jones Voice:
I want a report showing me all possible landing runways in a 2500nm circumference emanating from Kuala Lumpur avoiding all known radar rings in Southeast Asia.  Call State and see if the folks from Banda Aceh are still pissed about that thing. And no, I would not like some durian.

or has this been voiced before?


do you also want some donuts, with the little sprinkle things on top?
 
2014-03-14 03:57:30 AM

Marcus Aurelius: gilgigamesh: I'd be interested to know if the decompression he describes would also disable the transponders.

I don't see how.


At that altitude a slow leak would freeze the bejeezus out of any electronics it happened to vent past.

Electronics do have an operating temp range, after all. Add in all of the excess moisture introduced to the component and you have a recipe for failure. The kid did specify a specific area of weakness that is near a few of the craft's sensors.
 
2014-03-14 04:18:12 AM

tarheel07: A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

What if there were some kind of near-total power loss, resulting in the pilots attempting a Hudson-like landing on the ocean?  It was dark, and the plane flipped upside-down at the last moment?  Anyone know the chances of the plane ending up largely intact (main fuselage unbroken)?  That could explain the lack of debris, and, being upside-down, there probably wouldn't be a good way to evacuate ....
 
2014-03-14 04:24:30 AM
This genius student, unaided, came up with this amazing, novel decompression theory all by himself?  The same theory that's been circulating on the internet from a hundred different sources since day one?

Call me a kooky conspiracy theorist if you must, but it's almost as if he had access to some kind of amazing device that allows him to find out what people all over the world are saying about stuff on the internet. Probably a CIA/FBI/Illuminati black false flag alien tech superdevice that allows multiple people to leave each other messages in some kind of central location. It's possible that space/time teleportation black ops timecube technology even allows them to do it quickly, from long distances away from each other.  They should do another story about that part of it.
  "There was yet another dramatic twist as Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein denied reports the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet may have flown for four hours, escalating the confusion over what is already one of the most baffling mysteries in modern aviation history."

OK.... CNN completely makes up and publishes a "fact", as they regularly do to drive the moron (aka "only") segment of their viewership. They publish it.  Someone points out that it is completely made up, and it "escalates the confusion" ?  For who? Are there really people that expect the bullcrap on the Celebrity News Network to be founded in some kind of reality?
 
2014-03-14 08:26:44 AM

Smeggy Smurf: I figure it was an explosive decompression that caused them to pass out.  The satellite images of debris are of sections of the plane that fell off.  Eventually the plane ran out of fuel and crashed.  The large gaping holes caused the plane to sink immediately.

100 years from now they'll be crustaceans sailing with Davy Jones



images.sodahead.com
 In 100 years they'll just be getting released from service. "100 years before the mast"

Next time pay attention to the damn movie instead of texting your friends about that biatch Jennifer in accounting and her horrible taste in shoes.
 
2014-03-14 08:35:59 AM
Maybe it was hijackers who don't understand the whole 'we don't have enough fuel to get there' thing.

www.lajmepress.net
 
2014-03-14 08:40:49 AM

worlddan: This "idea" was posted on PPRUNE within 24 hours of the incident. Now, maybe it was him but I kind of doubt it. Further, it doesn't hold even an ounce of water.


2.bp.blogspot.com
Ms. Vito, please answer the question: does the student's case hold water?
  No! The student is wrong!
Are you sure?
  I'm positive!
 
2014-03-14 09:14:32 AM

iq_in_binary: Electronics do have an operating temp range, after all. Add in all of the excess moisture introduced to the component and you have a recipe for failure. The kid did specify a specific area of weakness that is near a few of the craft's sensors.


Respectfully,

Avionics bay = sauna

Pressurization = well, pressure.  Engines take in a HUGE amount of air, process it for temp and dump it into the pressurized cabin.  Outflow valves, located on the aft bulkhead, control just how much air is released into the atmosphere.  Release a little, pressure builds in the cabin, release a lot, cabin pressure equalizes to the surrounding atmospheric pressure.  Essentially, the engines are constantly blowing air into the balloon that is the aircraft (to the tune of 8.0 PSID) and the valves are releasing air to maintain a cabin altitude of below 10,000 feet for pax/crew comfort.   Air does not leak into a pressurized aircraft; heated air pours out at a staggering rate.

Outside Air Temp at 35,000 feet = extremely cold (-48C,) extremely clean, and extremely void of moisture. During a rapid decompression, air equalizes with the surrounding atmosphere.  Since warm, dense air (in the aircraft) is able to hold a great deal more moisture than the surrounding air at altitude, when inside P/T = outside P/T, a fog occurs in the cabin until it is expelled out the outflow valves. (1-2secs?)  Moist air does not leak into a pressurized aircraft, see above.

I will stop now.
Old.
Get off my Flight Level.

Fark you kids and your slashies.
 
2014-03-14 01:55:08 PM

BluVeinThrobber: The plane was taken by Chinese Muslims, landed on an uncharted island and is being filled with explosives for a suicide attack


Right.  And it will be a complete surprise because the US, Chinese, British nor the Russians have any high resolution satellites that could detect something as small as a commercial airliner.
 
2014-03-14 06:51:25 PM
They safely emergency landed on an island. An American took charge and told them to go for supplies.
/Lots of Chinese hiding up in trees right now.
 
2014-03-15 12:38:01 AM
I'm open to crazy theories, Subby.  Particularly ones where the passengers may still be alive.
 
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