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2014-03-13 05:42:36 PM
i.huffpost.com

They probably could've picked a better photo than one that makes him look like he's one of America's Most Wanted.
 
2014-03-13 05:54:42 PM
And he's quite probably correct.
 
2014-03-13 06:07:00 PM
It's an interesting theory, and it seems to fit the facts.

I'd be interested to know if the decompression he describes would also disable the transponders. That is the part of this I find most baffling.
 
2014-03-13 06:08:50 PM
Is the unlikely tag lost at sea, too?
 
2014-03-13 06:10:35 PM
It seems pretty clear that the plane was hijacked/not hijacked blew up/didn't blow up crashed immediately/flew for several hours before coming to rest in the South China Sea/Malacca Strait/Indian Ocean where the crew and passengers were eaten by Langoliers/abducted by aliens/sold into slavery by the Chinese.
 
2014-03-13 06:12:47 PM

gilgigamesh: I'd be interested to know if the decompression he describes would also disable the transponders.


I don't see how.
 
2014-03-13 06:22:57 PM
So he's just saying "If he did it."
 
2014-03-13 06:24:18 PM
media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-13 06:30:43 PM
I don't see how this explains the engines being on for 4 hours after communication was lost.
 
2014-03-13 06:35:56 PM
NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.
 
2014-03-13 06:44:34 PM

Triumph: NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.


Crew could've been trying to turn in reaction to some issue they had and then the decompression happened or was happening as they turned. The thing with this theory is, it's perfectly reasonable and doesn't require any sort of crazy circumstances.
 
2014-03-13 06:50:42 PM
Ah yes, the Payne Stewart Theory.  I suppose that's possible, but nowhere near as fun as just assuming it was aliens.
 
2014-03-13 06:52:23 PM
I figure it was an explosive decompression that caused them to pass out.  The satellite images of debris are of sections of the plane that fell off.  Eventually the plane ran out of fuel and crashed.  The large gaping holes caused the plane to sink immediately.

100 years from now they'll be crustaceans sailing with Davy Jones
 
2014-03-13 06:53:32 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I don't see how this explains the engines being on for 4 hours after communication was lost.


Autopilot?
 
2014-03-13 06:53:41 PM

WhyteRaven74: Triumph: NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.

Crew could've been trying to turn in reaction to some issue they had and then the decompression happened or was happening as they turned. The thing with this theory is, it's perfectly reasonable and doesn't require any sort of crazy circumstances.


Except that to subsequently disappear from radar, the aircraft would have to descend to low altitude. And then fly on for four hours.
 
2014-03-13 06:53:57 PM
Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

What ringing phones? This is the first I've heard of that. And how high do cell towers reach?
 
2014-03-13 06:54:20 PM
This happened to a Greek airliner that crashed into a mountain, if I recall correctly.  Some of the pressurization switches on the flight deck was switched off during line maintenance on the ground.  When the plane reached cruising altitude, the crew and passengers experienced hypoxia and the plane flew straight into the side of a mountain.

As of right now, that's as good as any explanation.  My question is, though... why wasn't the aircraft picked up on any other passive radar systems if it just kept flying straight
 
2014-03-13 06:54:21 PM
College kid hits the target before the experts?

Now that's a theory I like.
 
2014-03-13 06:54:40 PM
There's absolutely nothing amazing about this theory, such situations have occurred before, although with much smaller private aircraft.  There was a famous case several years back with a professional golfer in a private jet, it was tracked flying across a good portion of the continental US before it finally ran out of fuel and crashed in a field.  It was actually followed by the Air Force for a while who were considering downing it if it approached a populated area.

Now the question is could this happen on a commercial airliner without alarms going off and the crew being able to respond in some manner?  Oh well, this comp-sci student seems to know better than everyone else that these pilots didn't have the appropriate training.  I guess his interest in the area and considering he almost pursued this career makes him an expert.

Really, why does anyone think that a theory thrown out by some random kid on tumblr is newsworthy?
 
2014-03-13 06:54:40 PM
Putin payed off the lizard people to open a wormhole to disappear the plane in an effort to draw attention away from his impending annexation of the Ukraine in its entirety.
 
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2014-03-13 06:55:04 PM
Wait, so now the Huffington Post considers reposting theories from random student blogs to be "reporting"? Look upon my works ye mighty and despair.
 
2014-03-13 06:55:31 PM
No one has asked to me what has happened but it is known of me.
 
2014-03-13 06:55:53 PM

Andy Andy: antidisestablishmentarianism: I don't see how this explains the engines being on for 4 hours after communication was lost.

Autopilot?


Wouldn't that have kept them on course which would have put the plane over land?

fusillade762: Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

What ringing phones? This is the first I've heard of that. And how high do cell towers reach?


I heard about this earlier today. Aren't you supposed to turn the phones off when the cabin doors close?
 
2014-03-13 06:56:09 PM

Triumph: NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.


I heard it a figure 8.
 
2014-03-13 06:56:36 PM

Triumph: WhyteRaven74: Triumph: NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.

Crew could've been trying to turn in reaction to some issue they had and then the decompression happened or was happening as they turned. The thing with this theory is, it's perfectly reasonable and doesn't require any sort of crazy circumstances.

Except that to subsequently disappear from radar, the aircraft would have to descend to low altitude. And then fly on for four hours.


It's been stated repeatedly in every article I've seen that the radar coverage extends only a relatively short distance away from land.  So yes, four hours straight over the water at high altitude could avoid radar altogether.
 
2014-03-13 06:59:17 PM

meow said the dog: No one has asked to me what has happened but it is known of me.


What happened?
 
2014-03-13 06:59:20 PM

Marcus Aurelius: gilgigamesh: I'd be interested to know if the decompression he describes would also disable the transponders.

I don't see how.


FTA:  "... there was a likely fuselage failure near the antenna adapter, disabling all or some of the plane's GPS and other satellite and radar communication systems."

If so, then that seems like a design flaw to put everything in one location!

Just thinking out loud, but given that crazy knife attack in China just a few days ago, might this be a hijacking by some Chinese cult, given the number of Chinese aboard?
 
2014-03-13 06:59:23 PM

marcpen: And he's quite probably correct.


Except he isn't. That particular t7 do not have the sat comm antenna attached  therefore the potential cracking of the hull is not in the equation.
 
2014-03-13 06:59:54 PM

meow said the dog: No one has asked to me what has happened but it is known of me.


What happened, meow?
 
2014-03-13 07:00:35 PM
The aircraft has alerts for 'cabin altitude', regardless of how quickly it decompresses.  The pilots would be alerted by a master caution and a visual warning 'CABIN ALTITUDE'  (I think the alert triggers at 12000ft?).

Additionally the passenger cabin masks automatically deploy on loss of pressure (or they can be manually deployed) so even if the pilots didn't notice (which is almost inconceivable), the cabin crew would have.

Also, the aircraft in question did NOT have the antenna fitted for which the Airworthiness Directive was issued, so it is not applicable.
 
2014-03-13 07:00:44 PM

meow said the dog: No one has asked to me what has happened but it is known of me.


Please please tell us.

/popcorn.gif
 
2014-03-13 07:00:47 PM
It's a theory, like all the rest. No one will know what happened to the plane until we know what happened to the plane.
 
2014-03-13 07:02:24 PM

Andulamb: It's a theory, like all the rest. No one will know what happened to the plane until we know what happened to the plane.


Profound.
 
2014-03-13 07:03:29 PM

NateAsbestos: Andulamb: It's a theory, like all the rest. No one will know what happened to the plane until we know what happened to the plane.

Profound.


Its nefarious.
 
2014-03-13 07:03:33 PM
 
2014-03-13 07:04:20 PM

KeithLM: It's been stated repeatedly in every article I've seen that the radar coverage extends only a relatively short distance away from land.  So yes, four hours straight over the water at high altitude could avoid radar altogether.


A u-turn puts it back over land. At least twice.
 
2014-03-13 07:04:27 PM

gilgigamesh: It's an interesting theory, and it seems to fit the facts.

I'd be interested to know if the decompression he describes would also disable the transponders. That is the part of this I find most baffling.


You ever watch those old Air Force training videos where they start removing oxygen from a room while having the test subject try to perform simple tasks?

It's possible the pilot shut the transponder off simply because he was disoriented.
 
2014-03-13 07:04:59 PM
...and they would have gotten away with it if it weren't for this meddling kid.
 
2014-03-13 07:04:59 PM
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-13 07:05:12 PM
This "idea" was posted on PPRUNE within 24 hours of the incident. Now, maybe it was him but I kind of doubt it. Further, it doesn't hold even an ounce of water. If there was a slow decompression there would have been ACARS continued to be sent as they are sent from the plane every 30 minutes. Interestingly, the last message was received exactly 27 minutes (or three minutes before the next scheduled message). This strongly implies something sudden rather than slow.

Of course, the problem with the sudden theory is that they cannot find any trace of the plane there. So who knows....it really is a mystery.
 
2014-03-13 07:05:33 PM
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2014-03-13 07:05:44 PM
Balki Bartakamous says it's the Langoliers.

Cereal tho... what happened to the GPS and Transponder?
 
2014-03-13 07:05:47 PM

fusillade762: Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

What ringing phones? This is the first I've heard of that. And how high do cell towers reach?


It's already been said in related threads; that ringing you hear isn't generated by the cell phone itself. My battery can die in mine and yet it still "rings" when I call it from any other phone, cell or landline.
 
2014-03-13 07:07:54 PM

Triumph: NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.


It  might have made a turn.  When an aircraft gets near the maximum range of passive radar, the data becomes much less conclusive.
 
2014-03-13 07:08:05 PM

Marcus Aurelius: gilgigamesh: I'd be interested to know if the decompression he describes would also disable the transponders.

I don't see how.


The plane flew out of transponder range. They didn't get turned off.
 
2014-03-13 07:08:32 PM
"Thus," Aude explains on his Tumblr post, "only primary radars would detect the plane.

img.fark.net
He is not an expert.
This is not important.
This is not relevant.
This is a blog post..
This is hearsay from a random college student that obfuscates the media process as the vanity of social media continues to give unwarranted importance to people who do not need or deserve it.
 
2014-03-13 07:08:54 PM
The plane was taken by Chinese Muslims, landed on an uncharted island and is being filled with explosives for a suicide attack
 
2014-03-13 07:09:09 PM
Got to give him credit that its a lot more plausible than most theories.

...cue Mythbuster 'plausible' graphic.

...or Kari, well...just because.
 
2014-03-13 07:09:17 PM

centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.


An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.
 
2014-03-13 07:09:50 PM
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/Howard sterns penis took the plane down is just about as likely an answer as this retard kid's 'theory'
//
 
2014-03-13 07:10:10 PM

Andy Andy: antidisestablishmentarianism: I don't see how this explains the engines being on for 4 hours after communication was lost.

Autopilot?


You don`t even need autopilot to fly straight.  If your trim is set right, you can just let go of the stick and it will pretty much fly itself.
 
2014-03-13 07:10:15 PM
Isn't there a thing where the cabin depressurizes and then the temp drops to like -80 instantly and everybody freezes to death, but the plane keeps flying? I thought something like that happened on a GulfStream a few years back. The military flew near the plane and the windows were all frosted over while the autopilot kept it going until it ran out of fuel?
 
2014-03-13 07:10:38 PM

fusillade762: Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

What ringing phones? This is the first I've heard of that. And how high do cell towers reach?


It doesn't explain the ringing phones, because that thing was supposedly taking place 2-3 days after the flight went missing.

And to bring you up to speed on it, families of the passengers were saying that when they dialed the missing people's phones, they would hear ringing for a minute before going to voice mail.  This has been explained away as basically the sound of the network looking for a phone.
 
2014-03-13 07:11:18 PM
Airplanes are not balloons people.  They take in and lose cabin atmosphere all the time.  if there was a slow leak in the pressure vessel, an outflow valve wold just close a bit more, allowing more air out of the plane than would  normally flow out, and that would be that.
 
2014-03-13 07:11:42 PM

Andulamb: It's a theory, like all the rest. No one will know what happened to the plane until we know what happened to the plane.


THIS.
 
2014-03-13 07:12:03 PM

meow said the dog: No one has asked to me what has happened but it is known of me.


Meow for us Meow
 
2014-03-13 07:12:19 PM

wxboy: It doesn't explain the ringing phones, because that thing was supposedly taking place 2-3 days after the flight went missing.

And to bring you up to speed on it, families of the passengers were saying that when they dialed the missing people's phones, they would hear ringing for a minute before going to voice mail.  This has been explained away as basically the sound of the network looking for a phone.


I can explain the ringing phones!

markbiwwa.com
 
2014-03-13 07:12:40 PM

cfletch13: Triumph: NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.

It  might have made a turn.  When an aircraft gets near the maximum range of passive radar, the data becomes much less conclusive.


Yes, it seems most people don't realize that radar and radio aren't worldwide without gaps.
 
2014-03-13 07:12:43 PM

KeithLM: So yes, four hours straight over the water at high altitude could avoid radar altogether.


So yes, four hours straight over the water at high altitude could avoid radar.
 
2014-03-13 07:12:58 PM

FnkyTwn: Isn't there a thing where the cabin depressurizes and then the temp drops to like -80 instantly and everybody freezes to death, but the plane keeps flying? I thought something like that happened on a GulfStream a few years back. The military flew near the plane and the windows were all frosted over while the autopilot kept it going until it ran out of fuel?


(1) you will die from oxygen starvation sooner than freezing.
(2) That incident is no longer possible. The new models have sensors to detect depressurization and the AP flies the plane down to 12,000 feet.
 
2014-03-13 07:13:27 PM
Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

If his understanding of aeronautics is as bad as his understanding of cellular technology (or even just Plain Old Telephone Service), then I wouldn't hold my breath that his theory is correct. Just because a phone seems to be ringing on the caller's end doesn't mean that the device is actually ringing, or even being reached.
 
2014-03-13 07:14:08 PM
Wouldn't the oxygen masks drop. Kind of a hint. Maybe I should put this on. It would kind of suck if I was the only one though. WTF do I do now?
 
2014-03-13 07:15:18 PM

WhyteRaven74: Triumph: NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.

Crew could've been trying to turn in reaction to some issue they had and then the decompression happened or was happening as they turned. The thing with this theory is, it's perfectly reasonable and doesn't require any sort of crazy circumstances.


It has to be something that quickly killed or incapacitated the entire crew and passengers (or else someone would have at least tried to make phone or radio contact), damaged or destroyed the electrical systems (or else the transponders would have registered on tracking systems longer), and yet not damaged the hydraulics or engines immediately (or the plane would have crashed sooner).

So that points to a rapid decompression like the Payne Stewart crash only bigger; or a swift-moving electrical fire in the cabin, killing everyone with smoke.

Which doesn't help find it.
 
2014-03-13 07:15:22 PM

wxboy: fusillade762: Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

What ringing phones? This is the first I've heard of that. And how high do cell towers reach?

It doesn't explain the ringing phones, because that thing was supposedly taking place 2-3 days after the flight went missing.

And to bring you up to speed on it, families of the passengers were saying that when they dialed the missing people's phones, they would hear ringing for a minute before going to voice mail.  This has been explained away as basically the sound of the network looking for a phone.


There was also some stuff about them appearing "Online" on some Chinese social media.

Which is also meaningless. I see friends on FB "online" all the time when they aren't.
 
2014-03-13 07:15:55 PM

cfletch13: This happened to a Greek airliner that crashed into a mountain, if I recall correctly. Some of the pressurization switches on the flight deck was switched off during line maintenance on the ground. When the plane reached cruising altitude, the crew and passengers experienced hypoxia and the plane flew straight into the side of a mountain.


Only after the autopilot finished the run to Athens, put the aircraft into a holding pattern, and kept circling until it ran out of fuel. Which was when a flight attendant woke up and went into the cockpit, just in time for the ride into the side of a mountain.

Creepy as fark.
 
2014-03-13 07:15:59 PM

fanbladesaresharp: fusillade762: Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

What ringing phones? This is the first I've heard of that. And how high do cell towers reach?

It's already been said in related threads; that ringing you hear isn't generated by the cell phone itself. My battery can die in mine and yet it still "rings" when I call it from any other phone, cell or landline.


The reports said that the calls weren't picked up by voicemail either. At what point does that come into the cell phone equation?
 
2014-03-13 07:16:10 PM

fluffy2097: wxboy: It doesn't explain the ringing phones, because that thing was supposedly taking place 2-3 days after the flight went missing.

And to bring you up to speed on it, families of the passengers were saying that when they dialed the missing people's phones, they would hear ringing for a minute before going to voice mail.  This has been explained away as basically the sound of the network looking for a phone.

I can explain the ringing phones!

[markbiwwa.com image 800x600]


If you cant dazzle em with brilliance......Baffle em with bullshiat
 
2014-03-13 07:16:13 PM

BigNumber12: KeithLM: So yes, four hours straight over the water at high altitude could avoid radar altogether.

So yes, four hours straight over the water at high altitude could avoid radar.


That's not important right now.
 
2014-03-13 07:16:56 PM

shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.


If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.
 
2014-03-13 07:17:06 PM

Perducci: Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

If his understanding of aeronautics is as bad as his understanding of cellular technology (or even just Plain Old Telephone Service), then I wouldn't hold my breath that his theory is correct. Just because a phone seems to be ringing on the caller's end doesn't mean that the device is actually ringing, or even being reached.


My theory is that they are actually in a North Korean prison camp. Best Korea needed a 777.
 
2014-03-13 07:17:08 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I don't see how this explains the engines being on for 4 hours after communication was lost.


Would they stay on if the plane landed/crashed onto the canopy of a forest?
 
2014-03-13 07:18:01 PM
An electrical fire initially disables the communications so the pilot turns around to find the nearest airport.  The fire then spreads to the navigation systems....Unable to communicate and possibly unable to even see out of the cockpit due to the smoke they finally succumb to smoke inhalation after the O2 system is depleted.  They tell the passengers to try and make cell calls so they all switch them on but they are out to sea and there is no signal.  Finally the pilots and passengers pass out/die but somehow autopilot is still engaged.  The plane carries on it's merry way passing into cell coverage range full of turned on phones with dead passengers....

It runs out of fuel and crashes...

/you'd think if they were in cell phone range they'd be picked up on radar but who knows...
 
2014-03-13 07:18:18 PM

scottydoesntknow: [i.huffpost.com image 570x238]

They probably could've picked a better photo than one that makes him look like he's one of America's Most Wanted.



That ginger was probably responsible for the whole thing.
 
2014-03-13 07:18:24 PM
I bet he also found the Boston Bombers before the Feds did.

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-13 07:19:14 PM

BigNumber12: KeithLM: So yes, four hours straight over the water at high altitude could avoid radar altogether.

So yes, four hours straight over the water at high altitude could avoid radar.


www.wearysloth.com
 
2014-03-13 07:20:20 PM

cfletch13: This happened to a Greek airliner that crashed into a mountain, if I recall correctly.  Some of the pressurization switches on the flight deck was switched off during line maintenance on the ground.  When the plane reached cruising altitude, the crew and passengers experienced hypoxia and the plane flew straight into the side of a mountain.

As of right now, that's as good as any explanation.  My question is, though... why wasn't the aircraft picked up on any other passive radar systems if it just kept flying straight


IIRC, that plane followed its last autopilot controls and eventually circled Athens waiting the for the pilots instructions until it ran out of fuel and crashed.  The Paine Stewart flight did more-or-less the same thing, flying in a straight line via autopilot (though it changed altitude) until the fuel ran out.

Presumably, even if everyone was unconscious or dead on the plane, it would have continued on to Beijing.  It should have followed its pre programmed flight path until the fuel ran out.  At the least, it should have been picked up by Vietnam on their radar and contacted.  According to the information we've been told, they never did.

Didn't we have something like this happen a dozen years or so ago with another airliner?  I seem to recall there was the crash of a Boeing 737 (Lion Air?) that was missing for a few days before anyone located the wreckage.  The pilot ended up off course or something after being lost in a storm?  Am I remembering this right?
 
2014-03-13 07:20:23 PM

cretinbob: cfletch13: Triumph: NBC News is saying radar picked up a u-turn. So much for this theory.

It  might have made a turn.  When an aircraft gets near the maximum range of passive radar, the data becomes much less conclusive.

Yes, it seems most people don't realize that radar and radio aren't worldwide without gaps.


I hate when people assume hyper-competence.  It kills me every time I see an article or someone on Facebook saying, "How can you just lose a plane in this day and age?".  People really misunderstand how things ACTUALLY work in aviation.
 
2014-03-13 07:20:36 PM

fusillade762: Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

What ringing phones? This is the first I've heard of that. And how high do cell towers reach?


all of them
 
2014-03-13 07:21:41 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: An electrical fire initially disables the communications so the pilot turns around to find the nearest airport.  The fire then spreads to the navigation systems....Unable to communicate and possibly unable to even see out of the cockpit due to the smoke they finally succumb to smoke inhalation after the O2 system is depleted.  They tell the passengers to try and make cell calls so they all switch them on but they are out to sea and there is no signal.  Finally the pilots and passengers pass out/die but somehow autopilot is still engaged.  The plane carries on it's merry way passing into cell coverage range full of turned on phones with dead passengers....

It runs out of fuel and crashes...

/you'd think if they were in cell phone range they'd be picked up on radar but who knows...


They would have triangulated the phones and found them in minutes.
 
2014-03-13 07:21:51 PM

cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.


Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.
 
2014-03-13 07:21:57 PM
The first actual sign of mechanical malfunction that causes a drop in Boeing stock is going to make me a happy camper.

Buy, Mortimer, buy!
 
2014-03-13 07:22:02 PM

cfletch13: You don`t even need autopilot to fly straight. If your trim is set right, you can just let go of the stick and it will pretty much fly itself.


A lot of people don't know airliners, hell most planes, are designed so that as long as the trim is set right, if you let go of the controls the plane will fly straight and level until it runs out of fuel.
 
2014-03-13 07:24:36 PM
It's Malaysia Airlines.  :-)  IATA code "MH" which stands for "masih hilang" which is Malay for "still missing".
 
2014-03-13 07:24:40 PM

lindalouwho: antidisestablishmentarianism: I don't see how this explains the engines being on for 4 hours after communication was lost.

Would they stay on if the plane landed/crashed onto the canopy of a forest?


I wouldn't think so with the amount of fuel lost and eventual destruction of the systems.
 
2014-03-13 07:26:32 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: An electrical fire initially disables the communications so the pilot turns around to find the nearest airport.  The fire then spreads to the navigation systems....Unable to communicate and possibly unable to even see out of the cockpit due to the smoke they finally succumb to smoke inhalation after the O2 system is depleted.  They tell the passengers to try and make cell calls so they all switch them on but they are out to sea and there is no signal.  Finally the pilots and passengers pass out/die but somehow autopilot is still engaged.  The plane carries on it's merry way passing into cell coverage range full of turned on phones with dead passengers....

It runs out of fuel and crashes...

/you'd think if they were in cell phone range they'd be picked up on radar but who knows...

They would have triangulated the phones and found them in minutes.


If that capacity is available in south east asia...they might not archive cell phone positions on their system
 
2014-03-13 07:27:02 PM
Payne Stewart approves!
 
2014-03-13 07:28:10 PM
Meh. I know why it disappeared. Broken Johnson rod. Or a Thelmen wire came loose. Case closed. Goodnight everybody!
 
2014-03-13 07:28:39 PM
Everyone on the plane sought political asylum in Atlantis
 
2014-03-13 07:28:57 PM

meow said the dog: No one has asked to me what has happened but it is known of me.


Don't' leave us hanging like this meow
Is it hiding in Macau?
Crashed near India? holy cow!
Swiped by terrorists,  but how?
Smashed or hidden? Tell us now!
or must we bribe your roommate sow
with cake
and pie.
 
2014-03-13 07:31:04 PM

shastacola: cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.

Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.


Which communication system did he say?  ACARS?  And how can anyone determine if or when the transponder was shut off?  The aircraft was being picked up on primary radar from KUA all the way to the maximum range.  I haven't seen any data that shows the transponder data being picked up by another passive radar or another aircraft in one moment and gone in another.
 
2014-03-13 07:31:32 PM

shastacola: cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.

Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.



Are you sure you heard him correctly? In this article, Nance suggests that the time separation between the shutdowns of the data reporting system and the transponder is an indication of a deliberate act, i.e., not an accident.
 
2014-03-13 07:32:45 PM
cretinbob:

i just want to thank you for the payne stewart.i guess it went over everyone's head.
 
2014-03-13 07:33:10 PM
It was probably the ball bearings. It's all about ball bearings these days.
 
2014-03-13 07:33:15 PM
I figured it out


img.fark.net
 
2014-03-13 07:33:34 PM
Andrew Aude, a computer science student, who "considered studying Aerospace engineering",

Stopped-reading-right-there.jpg
 
2014-03-13 07:34:02 PM
Or, its communications systems were systematically shut down, and the plane is now in the Indian Ocean:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/malaysia-airliner-pinging-indica ti on-crashed-indian-ocean/story?id=22894802
 
2014-03-13 07:36:06 PM

MFAWG: gilgigamesh: It's an interesting theory, and it seems to fit the facts.

I'd be interested to know if the decompression he describes would also disable the transponders. That is the part of this I find most baffling.

You ever watch those old Air Force training videos where they start removing oxygen from a room while having the test subject try to perform simple tasks?

It's possible the pilot shut the transponder off simply because he was disoriented.


I keep suggesting this and nobody listens to me. Hypoxia makes you act drunk and stupid, and you don't feel impaired at all. Maybe he shut off the transponder because he was cold.
 
2014-03-13 07:36:22 PM
My theory is that S.P.E.C.T.R.E. is behind the disappearances and that we should all be looking for a fake volcano.
 
2014-03-13 07:36:47 PM

Lydia_C: shastacola: cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.

Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.


Are you sure you heard him correctly? In this article, Nance suggests that the time separation between the shutdowns of the data reporting system and the transponder is an indication of a deliberate act, i.e., not an accident.


That's what I said,he said it can't be an accident,it was a  deliberate shutdown of the communication systems.
 
2014-03-13 07:40:18 PM
"Wow! This is the first time I am hearing this theory!" said no one.
 
2014-03-13 07:41:41 PM

Lydia_C: shastacola: cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.

Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.


Are you sure you heard him correctly? In this article, Nance suggests that the time separation between the shutdowns of the data reporting system and the transponder is an indication of a deliberate act, i.e., not an accident.


There's still a possibility of electrical fire getting progressively worse and effecting avionics, too... which would explain the gap in between the communication systems shutting down and no "Pan Pan Pan" call.

If it was a hijacker, I'd suspect the transponder would be shut off first like on 9/11.  ACARS won't really help you escape being tracked.  And even so, why 15 minutes later?  Maybe they had to stop and read the manual?

I still don't think there's enough evidence to draw any conclusions yet.
 
2014-03-13 07:42:04 PM
Looks like I picked the wrong Friday to make predictions about missing aircraft.
 
2014-03-13 07:42:53 PM
img.fark.net
img.fark.net
 
2014-03-13 07:44:12 PM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: They would have triangulated the phones and found them in minutes.


dungeoncrawler.mymiddleearth.com
 
2014-03-13 07:44:57 PM

cfletch13: Lydia_C: shastacola: cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.

Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.


Are you sure you heard him correctly? In this article, Nance suggests that the time separation between the shutdowns of the data reporting system and the transponder is an indication of a deliberate act, i.e., not an accident.

There's still a possibility of electrical fire getting progressively worse and effecting avionics, too... which would explain the gap in between the communication systems shutting down and no "Pan Pan Pan" call.

If it was a hijacker, I'd suspect the transponder would be shut off first like on 9/11.  ACARS won't really help you escape being tracked.  And even so, why 15 minutes later?  Maybe they had to stop and read the manual?

I still don't think there's enough evidence to draw any conclusions yet.


No one will know what happened until they find the plane. I'm just reporting what Nance thinks.
 
2014-03-13 07:44:58 PM

starlost: cretinbob:

i just want to thank you for the payne stewart.i guess it went over everyone's head.


I keep seeing that name in these threads, so I finally looked it up. The article mentions several other known, similar situations. I know nothing about aviation, but on the surface it seems plausible for this plane too.
 
2014-03-13 07:45:03 PM
Meow, don't be a tease.
 
2014-03-13 07:46:52 PM

DigitalCoffee: My theory is that S.P.E.C.T.R.E. is behind the disappearances and that we should all be looking for a fake volcano.


"Hello, Mr. Bond.  We've been expecting you."
 
2014-03-13 07:47:16 PM

starlost: cretinbob:

i just want to thank you for the payne stewart.i guess it went over everyone's head.


cf.chucklesnetwork.com
 
2014-03-13 07:47:17 PM

Perducci: Aude also has an explanation for the ringing phones, saying: "If the plane flew over or near land, then cellular connectivity is still possible."

If his understanding of aeronautics is as bad as his understanding of cellular technology (or even just Plain Old Telephone Service), then I wouldn't hold my breath that his theory is correct. Just because a phone seems to be ringing on the caller's end doesn't mean that the device is actually ringing, or even being reached.


But his dad is a pilot, and he considered studying aerospace engineering.
 
2014-03-13 07:48:53 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: College kid hits the target before the experts?

Now that's a theory I like.


Decompression is usually in like the top five for what you assume happened without knowing anything else. It's not novel at all but more like an automatic assumption. Like when you investigate a murder the first suspect is the spouse just by default. It's not like some rookie detective comes along and says, "Ah ha! Maybe his wife did it! Bet you didn't see that coming."
 
2014-03-13 07:49:06 PM
Here's the latest inside scoop: the Ajax maintenance crew forgot to lube the fetzer valve with 3-in-1 oil and gauze.

/ball bearings
 
2014-03-13 07:49:20 PM

Mark Ratner: It was probably the ball bearings. It's all about ball bearings these days.


They didn't clean the muck off the window.
 
2014-03-13 07:49:29 PM

shastacola: cfletch13: Lydia_C: shastacola: cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.

Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.


Are you sure you heard him correctly? In this article, Nance suggests that the time separation between the shutdowns of the data reporting system and the transponder is an indication of a deliberate act, i.e., not an accident.

There's still a possibility of electrical fire getting progressively worse and effecting avionics, too... which would explain the gap in between the communication systems shutting down and no "Pan Pan Pan" call.

If it was a hijacker, I'd suspect the transponder would be shut off first like on 9/11.  ACARS won't really help you escape being tracked.  And even so, why 15 minutes later?  Maybe they had to stop and read the manual?

I still don't think there's enough evidence to draw any conclusions yet.

No one will know what happened until they find the plane. I'm just reporting what Nance thinks.


NO!  IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT WHAT NANCE THINKS!
 
2014-03-13 07:53:01 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-13 07:53:02 PM

Opacity: Here's the latest inside scoop: the Ajax maintenance crew forgot to lube the fetzer valve with 3-in-1 oil and gauze.

/ball bearings


Someone doesn't know the difference between Oxygen and Nitrogen bottles.
 
2014-03-13 07:54:07 PM
Maybe they went to visit Emilia?
 
2014-03-13 07:54:13 PM

cfletch13: shastacola: cfletch13: Lydia_C: shastacola: cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.

Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.


Are you sure you heard him correctly? In this article, Nance suggests that the time separation between the shutdowns of the data reporting system and the transponder is an indication of a deliberate act, i.e., not an accident.

There's still a possibility of electrical fire getting progressively worse and effecting avionics, too... which would explain the gap in between the communication systems shutting down and no "Pan Pan Pan" call.

If it was a hijacker, I'd suspect the transponder would be shut off first like on 9/11.  ACARS won't really help you escape being tracked.  And even so, why 15 minutes later?  Maybe they had to stop and read the manual?

I still don't think there's enough evidence to draw any conclusions yet.

No one will know what happened until they find the plane. I'm just reporting what Nance thinks.

NO!  IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT WHAT NANCE THINKS!


I tried to talk him down,man.
 
2014-03-13 07:58:19 PM

shastacola: Lydia_C: shastacola: cfletch13: shastacola: centrifugal bumblepuppy: ABC reports that the two communication systems, ACARS and transponder, were shut down 15 minutes apart.

Sounds deliberate.

An expert on CNN is flat out saying it can't be an accident.

If he was any credible expert, he would be saying that no one can determine that at this stage.  Unfortunately, cable news channel producers and viewers like definitive answers. But there are not any... yet.

Actually his comment was in regard to the communication systems being shut off 15 minutes apart. He said that would be impossible. His name was John Nance,he's supposedly an aviation expert.


Are you sure you heard him correctly? In this article, Nance suggests that the time separation between the shutdowns of the data reporting system and the transponder is an indication of a deliberate act, i.e., not an accident.

That's what I said,he said it can't be an accident,it was a  deliberate shutdown of the communication systems.



Sorry, I misunderstood you to be saying that Nance said it was impossible for the plane's communications to shut down in the way they apparently did.

And now I can't stop thinking of this Nance:

upload.wikimedia.org

/the clouds are not what they seem
 
2014-03-13 07:58:23 PM

Pimparoo: Or, its communications systems were systematically shut down, and the plane is now in the Indian Ocean:

http://abcnews.go.com/International/malaysia-airliner-pinging-indica ti on-crashed-indian-ocean/story?id=22894802


I love this plan. I'm excited about it. Let's do this!

Makes sense. They haven't found any debris in the water where they lost contact. If it's true that the engines continued to run for 3 or 4 hours after losing contact it should have shown up over land at some point if it continued north/northeast. It never showed up on radar over Vietnam and obviously didn't reach it's destination so it was likely diverted away from land. They think the plane might have changed course and turned west so yeah, go look in the Indian Ocean a bit.
 
2014-03-13 08:02:14 PM
Oh,Oh, I know... the plane went back in time to kill Lincoln. Fartbama and his time machine strikes again.
 
2014-03-13 08:09:28 PM

MechaPyx: If it's true that the engines continued to run for 3 or 4 hours after losing contact...



How do they know this?  Like, what technology allows them to know the engines are running, but doesn't do anything to help them locate the plane?
 
2014-03-13 08:17:16 PM
Minnesota voters, God bless their souls, elected Michele Bachmann and doomed the flight.
 
2014-03-13 08:18:12 PM

FizixJunkee: MechaPyx: If it's true that the engines continued to run for 3 or 4 hours after losing contact...


How do they know this?  Like, what technology allows them to know the engines are running, but doesn't do anything to help them locate the plane?


They don't know it. Some retard on tumblr read the timestamps wrong yesterday. It's already been categorically debunked by Boeing.

bjmendelson.com
 
2014-03-13 08:19:15 PM
Right or wrong, at least he understands how radar works.

As in, all planes are not magically "on radar" from wheels up to wheels down.
 
2014-03-13 08:19:59 PM

FizixJunkee: MechaPyx: If it's true that the engines continued to run for 3 or 4 hours after losing contact...


How do they know this?  Like, what technology allows them to know the engines are running, but doesn't do anything to help them locate the plane?


Most likely an ACARS-type of technology.  It submits performance and usage data and is usually transmitted through radio signals.  Some manufacturers have their own system, and I think the one the article is referring to is the one managed by Rolls-Royce.  It doesn't transfer location data, though.  Only the number of engine hours, cycles, and other usage data.
 
2014-03-13 08:20:11 PM

FizixJunkee: MechaPyx: If it's true that the engines continued to run for 3 or 4 hours after losing contact...


How do they know this?  Like, what technology allows them to know the engines are running, but doesn't do anything to help them locate the plane?


The same technology that allowed them to build the plane. The plane is now located on an Asian airport.
 
2014-03-13 08:20:36 PM
img.fark.net

www.reactionface.info
 
2014-03-13 08:23:36 PM
So his theory is decompression?  Must have been reading my posts.  Now we both have the blood of these people on our hands.  That is how it works, right?
 
2014-03-13 08:24:06 PM
In any event, point still stands radar never picked up the plane to the north and they're not having any luck checking the water north/northeast so might as well look in that other body of water to the west.
 
2014-03-13 08:32:03 PM
So what kind of bulls*** are you guys picking up on Huffpost?

I doubt he was the first to get that theory out. Even experts on Canadian TV mentioned the antenna corrosion problem on 777s on the first days.
 
2014-03-13 08:33:07 PM
I mean, the thing is, you can't not prove him not incorrect or otherwise.  Besides, there's only one man who knows what happened to that flight, and I'm not talking until I get a paid interview scheduled with Oprah or that crazy chick on CNN.
 
2014-03-13 08:33:59 PM

antidisestablishmentarianism: I don't see how this explains the engines being on for 4 hours after communication was lost.


autopilot.
 
2014-03-13 08:42:21 PM

DigitalCoffee: My theory is that S.P.E.C.T.R.E. is behind the disappearances and that we should all be looking for a fake volcano.


Nah, if it had been kidnapped by a gang of leather-clad female ninjas, Pussy Galore would have shown up by now to take control of the situation.
 
2014-03-13 08:53:53 PM
No one has asked to me what has happened but it is known of me.

Ohh goody it's scarebus again.

STFU.
 
2014-03-13 08:59:37 PM
Found a pretty good summarization of the misinformation out there.  It's worth a read:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/13/malaysia-airlines-fligh t- mh370-media-claims
 
2014-03-13 09:00:18 PM
They need to find this thing soon, or at least pieces of it or we have a problem.

My theory.  A crew member (or two) took control, shut the systems down that they could and flew to a preplanned remote destination across the Indian Ocean.  With assistance of waiting accomplices, the rest of the crew and passengers were removed and executed.  Have been removed and replaced with a big bomb.  either bigish nuclear or small nuke triggered EMP.  Plane takes off and flies low again to its intended target.  The plane is easily flown by one person.  Soon.
 
2014-03-13 09:00:56 PM
Seats have been removed...
 
2014-03-13 09:02:23 PM
I came up with this same theory today after hearing the plane flew for 4 hours after disappearing. The simpler thing is usually it.  Rather than a secret plot, it could have been that everybody on the plane was dead due to decompression and it just kept going for hours. Like Payne Stewart.

Or maybe aliens.
 
2014-03-13 09:03:34 PM
I like how we're now basing entire news articles on people's theories.. Journamalism yeah!

I have the same qualifications as this kid, my dad is a manufacturer of the engines this plane uses. I also have already graduated college and I've seen every episode of Air Crash Investigation. Someone get CNN on the phone now, I've got a theory!

Also, his theory fits the facts *because we have very few facts*.

Jesus this planet is hurtling toward an Idiocracy reality.
 
2014-03-13 09:04:46 PM
Pffft. My theory of a Japanese cruiser shooting it down while they were patrolling one of the disputed island chains is much more plausible. They mistook it for a Chinese fighter bomber approaching for an attack and shot it down. After they realized their mistake the picked up the big pieces of debris and hid them below deck then joined in the search.
/ I also have toyed with the Ukraine distraction theory, but unlike earlier comments in this thread I think putin and Obama acted in concert. The u.s. shooting it down while Russian spy ships picked up the pieces.
// I'm leaning towards the jittery Japanese ship theory.
 
2014-03-13 09:05:13 PM

FnkyTwn: Isn't there a thing where the cabin depressurizes and then the temp drops to like -80 instantly and everybody freezes to death, but the plane keeps flying? I thought something like that happened on a GulfStream a few years back. The military flew near the plane and the windows were all frosted over while the autopilot kept it going until it ran out of fuel?


Before they freeze, they die of hypoxia (too little oxygen). The air up there is cold, that's what frosts the windows up.
 
2014-03-13 09:16:13 PM
img.fark.net

Everyone knows they're just getting ready to fly it into the Pentagon.
 
2014-03-13 09:17:05 PM
Well, similar to my theory, but I didn't know about all the "rumors" of the transponders being shut off manually 15 mins apart.

My theory was that the plane had an explosion of some sort decompressing the cabin and cutting electronics and transponders. The pilots were able to turn the plane back to Malaysia before becoming incapacitated and then like Payne Stewart - a ghost plane flew out into the Indian Ocean and crashed when it ran out of fuel.

Are we 100% sure the transponders were manually shut off then? Because, you know - there is a ton of BS out there.
 
2014-03-13 09:24:26 PM

m00: Look upon my works ye mighty and despair.


Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away

your blog sucks.
 
2014-03-13 09:26:02 PM
This guy knows what happened.
 
2014-03-13 09:28:37 PM

FizixJunkee: This guy knows what happened.


(aliens)
 
2014-03-13 09:31:32 PM
If the plane crashed on land, wouldn't the fire and smoke be pretty visible from the air and space? Crashing in a jungle may hide some wreckage but I would think an av-gas fueled forest fire would be a sight to behold.

A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

Or, perhaps, a crippled and communications-less plane attempted to land in foreign airspace but was mistaken for an enemy aircraft and shot down. A cover-up commences upon the discovery of the mistake.
 
2014-03-13 09:32:13 PM
Has anyone wondered why his day's not being interviewed instead? It's because his dad knows enough not to speculate and put his name on it.
 
2014-03-13 09:53:01 PM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: They need to find this thing soon, or at least pieces of it or we have a problem.

My theory.  A crew member (or two) took control, shut the systems down that they could and flew to a preplanned remote destination across the Indian Ocean.  With assistance of waiting accomplices, the rest of the crew and passengers were removed and executed.  Have been removed and replaced with a big bomb.  either bigish nuclear or small nuke triggered EMP.  Plane takes off and flies low again to its intended target.  The plane is easily flown by one person.  Soon.


I'm with you, dude. Either that or they sold it to North Korea so Kim Jong Un could have a new personal jet.
 
2014-03-13 09:53:43 PM

Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: They need to find this thing soon, or at least pieces of it or we have a problem.

My theory.  A crew member (or two) took control, shut the systems down that they could and flew to a preplanned remote destination across the Indian Ocean.  With assistance of waiting accomplices, the rest of the crew and passengers were removed and executed.  Have been removed and replaced with a big bomb.  either bigish nuclear or small nuke triggered EMP.  Plane takes off and flies low again to its intended target.  The plane is easily flown by one person.  Soon.


That never happened the other time someone stole a Boeing jetliner
 
2014-03-13 09:55:11 PM

tarheel07: If the plane crashed on land, wouldn't the fire and smoke be pretty visible from the air and space? Crashing in a jungle may hide some wreckage but I would think an av-gas fueled forest fire would be a sight to behold.

A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

Or, perhaps, a crippled and communications-less plane attempted to land in foreign airspace but was mistaken for an enemy aircraft and shot down. A cover-up commences upon the discovery of the mistake.


If it crashed because it ran out of fuel, it wouldn't burn at all.
 
2014-03-13 10:03:20 PM

ransack.: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: They need to find this thing soon, or at least pieces of it or we have a problem.

My theory.  A crew member (or two) took control, shut the systems down that they could and flew to a preplanned remote destination across the Indian Ocean.  With assistance of waiting accomplices, the rest of the crew and passengers were removed and executed.  Have been removed and replaced with a big bomb.  either bigish nuclear or small nuke triggered EMP.  Plane takes off and flies low again to its intended target.  The plane is easily flown by one person.  Soon.

That never happened the other time someone stole a Boeing jetliner


These things get stolen left and right. They are the Toyota Camry of the sky.
 
2014-03-13 10:06:16 PM

ransack.: tarheel07: If the plane crashed on land, wouldn't the fire and smoke be pretty visible from the air and space? Crashing in a jungle may hide some wreckage but I would think an av-gas fueled forest fire would be a sight to behold.

A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

Or, perhaps, a crippled and communications-less plane attempted to land in foreign airspace but was mistaken for an enemy aircraft and shot down. A cover-up commences upon the discovery of the mistake.

If it crashed because it ran out of fuel, it wouldn't burn at all.


I thought that too but there would have to be some fuel residue and remnants in the tanks to start a blaze going. Not an expert, just speculating.
 
2014-03-13 10:07:24 PM
Here's how that could work: If he's right, he's a genius. If he's wrong he's just another kid.
 
2014-03-13 10:12:12 PM
It might look like a cover up and or a nefarious plan, but I think they just suck at search and rescue missions and public relations.It is amateur hour and it shows. There is so much misinformation that it is pointless to make an educated guess.
 
2014-03-13 10:21:15 PM

ransack.: tarheel07: If the plane crashed on land, wouldn't the fire and smoke be pretty visible from the air and space? Crashing in a jungle may hide some wreckage but I would think an av-gas fueled forest fire would be a sight to behold.

A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

Or, perhaps, a crippled and communications-less plane attempted to land in foreign airspace but was mistaken for an enemy aircraft and shot down. A cover-up commences upon the discovery of the mistake.

If it crashed because it ran out of fuel, it wouldn't burn at all.


gfx.dagbladet.no

That will be hard to find in a jungle.
 
2014-03-13 10:29:08 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: I like how we're now basing entire news articles on people's theories..


People on TUMBLR's theories no less.


CHECK YOUR AIRPLANE PRIVILEGE!
 
2014-03-13 10:32:28 PM

Coconut Meat: It might look like a cover up and or a nefarious plan, but I think they just suck at search and rescue missions and public relations.It is amateur hour and it shows. There is so much misinformation that it is pointless to make an educated guess.


The Malaysians do not seem to be particularly competent at running a search and rescue op.

Boeing has debunked the claim of the engines running for 4 hours after contact was lost.

Common sense debunks the current claim that ACARS was trying to login via satcom for 4 hours only to be rejected repeatedly because the Malaysians don't use it. You think we waste satcom time with repeated rejected logins? What a waste of bandwidth.

The only way to tell when the signals were shut off on the aircraft is by looking at the black boxes, so the guy who says the transmitters were shutdown 15 minutes apart is bunk too.
 
2014-03-13 10:42:18 PM

fluffy2097: Coconut Meat: It might look like a cover up and or a nefarious plan, but I think they just suck at search and rescue missions and public relations.It is amateur hour and it shows. There is so much misinformation that it is pointless to make an educated guess.

The Malaysians do not seem to be particularly competent at running a search and rescue op.


Common sense debunks the current claim that ACARS was trying to login via satcom for 4 hours only to be rejected repeatedly because the Malaysians don't use it. You think we waste satcom time with repeated rejected logins? What a waste of bandwidth.

The only way to tell when the signals were shut off on the aircraft is by looking at the black boxes, so the guy who says the transmitters were shutdown 15 minutes apart is bunk too.



They could not find their arse with both hands. Aint these the same people that live on top of floating doors in cardboard boxes
 
2014-03-13 10:46:02 PM
How about no.

//airline pilot.
 
2014-03-13 10:50:22 PM

lindalouwho: starlost: cretinbob:

i just want to thank you for the payne stewart.i guess it went over everyone's head.

I keep seeing that name in these threads, so I finally looked it up. The article mentions several other known, similar situations. I know nothing about aviation, but on the surface it seems plausible for this plane too.


I'm something of a golf fan and he was by all accounts a REALLY great guy. That day I heard about the incident and spent the next few hours monitoring events as it played out. It was evident fairly early that there was no hope but for the families of those on board I was really hoping they didn't have to blast the plane out of the sky. That was a crappy day.
 
2014-03-13 11:33:25 PM

This About That: Here's how that could work: If he's right, he's a genius. If he's wrong he's just another kid.


Uh no. If he's right, it's a lucky guess.

He's pretty smart if he's majoring in Comp Sci, but he's no genius or else he wouldn't have gone on CNN flapping his lips.

Everything he said can be learned by watching Air Crash Investigation. What he said happened is a long shot.
 
2014-03-13 11:46:52 PM

Cerebral Ballsy: This About That: Here's how that could work: If he's right, he's a genius. If he's wrong he's just another kid.

Uh no. If he's right, it's a lucky guess.

He's pretty smart if he's majoring in Comp Sci, but he's no genius or else he wouldn't have gone on CNN flapping his lips.

Everything he said can be learned by watching Air Crash Investigation. What he said happened is a long shot.


Well, exactly. You take the potential upside (famous teenage genius) and compare that to the potential downside (ordinary wiseass, which he already is) and decide it's worth doing.
 
2014-03-13 11:48:41 PM

Chris Ween: ransack.: Steve McQueen's Motorcycle: They need to find this thing soon, or at least pieces of it or we have a problem.

My theory.  A crew member (or two) took control, shut the systems down that they could and flew to a preplanned remote destination across the Indian Ocean.  With assistance of waiting accomplices, the rest of the crew and passengers were removed and executed.  Have been removed and replaced with a big bomb.  either bigish nuclear or small nuke triggered EMP.  Plane takes off and flies low again to its intended target.  The plane is easily flown by one person.  Soon.

That never happened the other time someone stole a Boeing jetliner

These things get stolen left and right. They are the Toyota Camry of the sky.


On 25 May 2003 a Boeing 727-223, registered N844AA, was stolen from Quatro de Fevereiro Airport, Luanda, Angola.
 
2014-03-13 11:56:36 PM
OK. Now we can all get on with our lives.
 
2014-03-14 12:03:58 AM
warosu.org
 
2014-03-14 12:09:49 AM
Decompression was a theory already touted by numerous persons on Fark days ago (probably the day the plane went missing).  It came up on every thread since then.  And I assume pretty much every other Aviation "expert" atleast gave that theory some thought since the Helios accident is a well studied/examined scenario.

But of course since this kid has a dad as a pilot, attended the 787 premiere AND he's going to Stanford... I mean obviously he's an expert.  Jeezus, the f--king media these days.
 
2014-03-14 12:23:52 AM
Things I believe I know:

Time of Useful Consciousness at 40,000 feet = 15 seconds
Recurrent training of high altitude systems = 4 times annually (sim) /every overseas initial leg/ typical

Minimum Landing Distance 777 = approx 2800 feet
Minimum Takeoff Distance 777 = approx 5000 feet
Max Range 777 200/ER (extended range) = 7725 n.m.  Leg length = approx 2250 n.m. plus reserves 300 n.m.

Time to run electrical fire checklist varies by crew, item on fire, then time to isolate smoking device.  Oxygen masks are on crew at this time.

Inject:
Many news articles express radio systems were shut down down intentionally minutes apart.
Plane turned.

Thoughts:
Bad things usually happen linked in a chain of events...
Decompression, rapid or otherwise, at altitude, can be remedied successfully. (assuming you have oxygen)
Electrical Fire in-flight is a bit tricky and can include shutting off avionics in sequence.
Stressful situation.

Jumped to Conclusion:
Avionics bay fire? Perhaps not the nice kind that goes out when power on the bus is removed. A turn to a general heading for a recovery field, reckoning dead initially? Things go pear, plane drift-down until contact?

Personal experience:
I once had a guy pull the three remaining fire handles on short final for a single engine fire, killing all radios.  (I offered to open the battery switch, turn off the hydraulics, and toss the battery out the window for good measure...)

Ran a real-deal electrical fire checklist out over the nothing once.  Took a while (20min) and not fun.

Tommy Lee Jones Voice:
I want a report showing me all possible landing runways in a 2500nm circumference emanating from Kuala Lumpur avoiding all known radar rings in Southeast Asia.  Call State and see if the folks from Banda Aceh are still pissed about that thing. And no, I would not like some durian.

or has this been voiced before?
 
2014-03-14 12:28:21 AM

I AM BECOME DERP: Things I believe I know:

Time of Useful Consciousness at 40,000 feet = 15 seconds
Recurrent training of high altitude systems = 4 times annually (sim) /every overseas initial leg/ typical

Minimum Landing Distance 777 = approx 2800 feet
Minimum Takeoff Distance 777 = approx 5000 feet
Max Range 777 200/ER (extended range) = 7725 n.m.  Leg length = approx 2250 n.m. plus reserves 300 n.m.

Time to run electrical fire checklist varies by crew, item on fire, then time to isolate smoking device.  Oxygen masks are on crew at this time.

Inject:
Many news articles express radio systems were shut down down intentionally minutes apart.
Plane turned.

Thoughts:
Bad things usually happen linked in a chain of events...
Decompression, rapid or otherwise, at altitude, can be remedied successfully. (assuming you have oxygen)
Electrical Fire in-flight is a bit tricky and can include shutting off avionics in sequence.
Stressful situation.

Jumped to Conclusion:
Avionics bay fire? Perhaps not the nice kind that goes out when power on the bus is removed. A turn to a general heading for a recovery field, reckoning dead initially? Things go pear, plane drift-down until contact?

Personal experience:
I once had a guy pull the three remaining fire handles on short final for a single engine fire, killing all radios.  (I offered to open the battery switch, turn off the hydraulics, and toss the battery out the window for good measure...)

Ran a real-deal electrical fire checklist out over the nothing once.  Took a while (20min) and not fun.

Tommy Lee Jones Voice:
I want a report showing me all possible landing runways in a 2500nm circumference emanating from Kuala Lumpur avoiding all known radar rings in Southeast Asia.  Call State and see if the folks from Banda Aceh are still pissed about that thing. And no, I would not like some durian.

or has this been voiced before?


DERP
 
2014-03-14 12:38:38 AM

I AM BECOME DERP: Things I believe I know:

Time of Useful Consciousness at 40,000 feet = 15 seconds
Recurrent training of high altitude systems = 4 times annually (sim) /every overseas initial leg/ typical

Minimum Landing Distance 777 = approx 2800 feet
Minimum Takeoff Distance 777 = approx 5000 feet
Max Range 777 200/ER (extended range) = 7725 n.m.  Leg length = approx 2250 n.m. plus reserves 300 n.m.

Time to run electrical fire checklist varies by crew, item on fire, then time to isolate smoking device.  Oxygen masks are on crew at this time.

Inject:
Many news articles express radio systems were shut down down intentionally minutes apart.
Plane turned.

Thoughts:
Bad things usually happen linked in a chain of events...
Decompression, rapid or otherwise, at altitude, can be remedied successfully. (assuming you have oxygen)
Electrical Fire in-flight is a bit tricky and can include shutting off avionics in sequence.
Stressful situation.

Jumped to Conclusion:
Avionics bay fire? Perhaps not the nice kind that goes out when power on the bus is removed. A turn to a general heading for a recovery field, reckoning dead initially? Things go pear, plane drift-down until contact?

Personal experience:
I once had a guy pull the three remaining fire handles on short final for a single engine fire, killing all radios.  (I offered to open the battery switch, turn off the hydraulics, and toss the battery out the window for good measure...)

Ran a real-deal electrical fire checklist out over the nothing once.  Took a while (20min) and not fun.

Tommy Lee Jones Voice:
I want a report showing me all possible landing runways in a 2500nm circumference emanating from Kuala Lumpur avoiding all known radar rings in Southeast Asia.  Call State and see if the folks from Banda Aceh are still pissed about that thing. And no, I would not like some durian.

or has this been voiced before?


do you also want some donuts, with the little sprinkle things on top?
 
2014-03-14 03:57:30 AM

Marcus Aurelius: gilgigamesh: I'd be interested to know if the decompression he describes would also disable the transponders.

I don't see how.


At that altitude a slow leak would freeze the bejeezus out of any electronics it happened to vent past.

Electronics do have an operating temp range, after all. Add in all of the excess moisture introduced to the component and you have a recipe for failure. The kid did specify a specific area of weakness that is near a few of the craft's sensors.
 
2014-03-14 04:18:12 AM

tarheel07: A more interesting theory would be a Miracle on the Hudson attempt which led to the plane sinking before the hatches could be opened and the crew and passengers escaped. Maybe some kind of fire damaged the communication equipment, explaining the list contact.

What if there were some kind of near-total power loss, resulting in the pilots attempting a Hudson-like landing on the ocean?  It was dark, and the plane flipped upside-down at the last moment?  Anyone know the chances of the plane ending up largely intact (main fuselage unbroken)?  That could explain the lack of debris, and, being upside-down, there probably wouldn't be a good way to evacuate ....
 
2014-03-14 04:24:30 AM
This genius student, unaided, came up with this amazing, novel decompression theory all by himself?  The same theory that's been circulating on the internet from a hundred different sources since day one?

Call me a kooky conspiracy theorist if you must, but it's almost as if he had access to some kind of amazing device that allows him to find out what people all over the world are saying about stuff on the internet. Probably a CIA/FBI/Illuminati black false flag alien tech superdevice that allows multiple people to leave each other messages in some kind of central location. It's possible that space/time teleportation black ops timecube technology even allows them to do it quickly, from long distances away from each other.  They should do another story about that part of it.
  "There was yet another dramatic twist as Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein denied reports the missing Malaysia Airlines passenger jet may have flown for four hours, escalating the confusion over what is already one of the most baffling mysteries in modern aviation history."

OK.... CNN completely makes up and publishes a "fact", as they regularly do to drive the moron (aka "only") segment of their viewership. They publish it.  Someone points out that it is completely made up, and it "escalates the confusion" ?  For who? Are there really people that expect the bullcrap on the Celebrity News Network to be founded in some kind of reality?
 
2014-03-14 08:26:44 AM

Smeggy Smurf: I figure it was an explosive decompression that caused them to pass out.  The satellite images of debris are of sections of the plane that fell off.  Eventually the plane ran out of fuel and crashed.  The large gaping holes caused the plane to sink immediately.

100 years from now they'll be crustaceans sailing with Davy Jones



images.sodahead.com
 In 100 years they'll just be getting released from service. "100 years before the mast"

Next time pay attention to the damn movie instead of texting your friends about that biatch Jennifer in accounting and her horrible taste in shoes.
 
2014-03-14 08:35:59 AM
Maybe it was hijackers who don't understand the whole 'we don't have enough fuel to get there' thing.

www.lajmepress.net
 
2014-03-14 08:40:49 AM

worlddan: This "idea" was posted on PPRUNE within 24 hours of the incident. Now, maybe it was him but I kind of doubt it. Further, it doesn't hold even an ounce of water.


2.bp.blogspot.com
Ms. Vito, please answer the question: does the student's case hold water?
  No! The student is wrong!
Are you sure?
  I'm positive!
 
2014-03-14 09:14:32 AM

iq_in_binary: Electronics do have an operating temp range, after all. Add in all of the excess moisture introduced to the component and you have a recipe for failure. The kid did specify a specific area of weakness that is near a few of the craft's sensors.


Respectfully,

Avionics bay = sauna

Pressurization = well, pressure.  Engines take in a HUGE amount of air, process it for temp and dump it into the pressurized cabin.  Outflow valves, located on the aft bulkhead, control just how much air is released into the atmosphere.  Release a little, pressure builds in the cabin, release a lot, cabin pressure equalizes to the surrounding atmospheric pressure.  Essentially, the engines are constantly blowing air into the balloon that is the aircraft (to the tune of 8.0 PSID) and the valves are releasing air to maintain a cabin altitude of below 10,000 feet for pax/crew comfort.   Air does not leak into a pressurized aircraft; heated air pours out at a staggering rate.

Outside Air Temp at 35,000 feet = extremely cold (-48C,) extremely clean, and extremely void of moisture. During a rapid decompression, air equalizes with the surrounding atmosphere.  Since warm, dense air (in the aircraft) is able to hold a great deal more moisture than the surrounding air at altitude, when inside P/T = outside P/T, a fog occurs in the cabin until it is expelled out the outflow valves. (1-2secs?)  Moist air does not leak into a pressurized aircraft, see above.

I will stop now.
Old.
Get off my Flight Level.

Fark you kids and your slashies.
 
2014-03-14 01:55:08 PM

BluVeinThrobber: The plane was taken by Chinese Muslims, landed on an uncharted island and is being filled with explosives for a suicide attack


Right.  And it will be a complete surprise because the US, Chinese, British nor the Russians have any high resolution satellites that could detect something as small as a commercial airliner.
 
2014-03-14 06:51:25 PM
They safely emergency landed on an island. An American took charge and told them to go for supplies.
/Lots of Chinese hiding up in trees right now.
 
2014-03-15 12:38:01 AM
I'm open to crazy theories, Subby.  Particularly ones where the passengers may still be alive.
 
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