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(Washington Examiner)   John Kerry: Putin has until Monday to reverse course on Ukraine. Or else, Tuesday   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 212
    More: Asinine, Ukraine, Russia, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, South Carolina Republican  
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2014-03-14 04:14:01 AM  

OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: CynicalLA: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
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Obama:
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True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Suggesting that Obama threaten to do something we all know he is unwilling to do is a losing strategy.  And if you think he's willing to do the things you suggest he threaten to do than you're delusional.  I wasn't making a statement on Obama or Putin as much as I was on your really bad idea.

I am well aware that Obama wouldn't do anything like that.  He doesn't have the spine nor the balls.

You sound like a child and should be ashamed. It's pathetic to hear a grown man talk about who's tough or not. Think a little before you say stupid things.

This has nothing to do with physical toughness.  It's about standing by principals and treaty obligations.  We promised to help the Ukraine defend their borders.  I prefer we do it through diplomacy and economic sanctions because another war is exactly what we do not need.  That's the spine and balls Obama lacks.  He's going to turn his back on the Ukraine, and we will lose even more credibility.  And we don't have a whole hell of a lot of that left in the bank.  Russia has gone back to their old habits of grabbing whatever they want from their neighbors.  They will continue to so if the rest of the world only writes sternly worded letters.

So despite the fact that he is trying to go at Russia using diplomacy and economic sanctions, Obama is still somehow not doing those things? Do conservatives have any logic or rational behind the stupid ass shiat they say? Are you som ...

Sure, he's using diplomacy and the threat of economic sanctions. But he has shown he's not willing to follow through.

And I'm not a conservative.


He's not shown that based on what exactly? You can also say you're not conservative all you want, but I've been on this site long enough to know of your right wing libertarian posting history. To me that's better than being a social conservative but still, you aren't saying what your saying based on any kind of neutral viewpoint. I have no issue criticizing Obama, I honestly have issues with most partisan Democrats and progressives on this site because they can't stand any criticism of him, but I fail to see how you can criticize Obama on this issue and people like you have yet to give a valid reason. Your reason is basically that you can predict he won't follow through but you have nothing to back it up.
 
2014-03-14 04:35:32 AM  
Yeah, I know. I'm engaging in simple-minded one-liner smartassery.

But I really don't give a fart in the Sahara.

If some of you right wingers hadn't gone batshiat screaming hysterical over arugula, waah police state cuz I can't mail perfooms, Wharr Birf Certificit, Hawai'i Was Not Really A State Back Then, Dijon mustard, We Now Denounce the Heritage Foundation Death Panel Health Plan We Originated, and binder clips, I might be a bit more inclined to listen to actual semi-logical criticisms of Messiah Hitlerbama.
 
2014-03-14 06:08:22 AM  

The Bestest: hasty ambush: 2. It is an election year and any increase in fraking is sure to irritate the Dems climate change base.

Fracking isn't so much a climate change concern as it is a local environment concern. It has little impact on national politics but is a core issue to affected local communities.


really?



Fracking, Methane, and Global Warming
 
2014-03-14 06:15:35 AM  

TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?


Not unless he wants his butt kicked.
 
2014-03-14 09:16:32 AM  
But there is nothing in the article about what exactly will happen.

"There is going to be accountability" does not says anything actually. Putin have said quite clearly: there is to be a referendum. If the majority of people will vote in favor of joining Russia, Crimea will join Russia. It's decided. The corresponding laws have already went through Russia's parliament. There is honestly no going back even if Putin wanted - that is, there is no going back without huuuuuuuge loss of face for Russia, Putin, current Russian power system and stability, or at least that's how it's seen from inside Russia. And Putin clearly doesn't want.

It's not a question of calling Putin on his bluff. Putin doesn't bluff here; he can't afford to bluff. Lavrov is not going to say to Kerry "we were just jocking!"; he can't. Crimea is going to Russia, or stays independent, or, in case of not enough people voting to have a quorum, which I don't believe in, the status quo remains; but it doesn't depend on Putin, it depends on how much the people of Crimea and people who count the votes (elected Crimean officials) want to join Russia or independence.

My bet would be on independence, but right now there is a hard work going on for bribing the Crimea. For example, Crimean students are to be allowed into all prestigious Russian universities without exams. As you can imagine, people of Russia proper have a problem with it, but not enough to do anything or even to say much.

I shudder even to imagine how much Russian money would be stolen by Crimean elected cleptocrats. Yanukovich's mansion? Ha-ha, pathetic hovel compared to what Crimeans would build.

The West should behave as if it's already decided - decide their own response - not "in case", but "it's decided, it's over, Crimea is Russian and that's what we are doing about it", not trying to "set the line", because all the lines are crossed already.
 
2014-03-14 10:26:43 AM  

Deep Contact: TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?

Not unless he wants his butt kicked.


Huh? What are you saying, that Russia will attack the US militarily if we impose economic sanctions? Or start some sort of proxy war? Do you really believe Russia has the wherewithal to do so?
 
2014-03-14 11:10:48 AM  

myrrh: Deep Contact: TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?

Not unless he wants his butt kicked.

Huh? What are you saying, that Russia will attack the US militarily if we impose economic sanctions? Or start some sort of proxy war? Do you really believe Russia has the wherewithal to do so?


Unfortunately yes.
 
2014-03-14 12:25:06 PM  

Deep Contact: myrrh: Deep Contact: TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?

Not unless he wants his butt kicked.

Huh? What are you saying, that Russia will attack the US militarily if we impose economic sanctions? Or start some sort of proxy war? Do you really believe Russia has the wherewithal to do so?

Unfortunately yes.


Lol, wow.
 
2014-03-14 01:32:41 PM  

TheJoe03: Deep Contact: myrrh: Deep Contact: TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?

Not unless he wants his butt kicked.

Huh? What are you saying, that Russia will attack the US militarily if we impose economic sanctions? Or start some sort of proxy war? Do you really believe Russia has the wherewithal to do so?

Unfortunately yes.

Lol, wow.


That's fkn hilarious!
 
2014-03-14 01:49:03 PM  

Deep Contact: Unfortunately yes.


Do you work for a think tank, by chance?
 
2014-03-14 10:43:46 PM  
It's weird the plight, injustice, and oppression the GOP chicken hawks choose to get worked up over.  They're all over the situation in Ukraine but dont seem to give a crap about the violence in Venezuela, or Mexico, or Darfur, or Palestine, or N. Korea, etc.
 
2014-03-15 06:41:50 AM  

Frederick: It's weird the plight, injustice, and oppression the GOP chicken hawks choose to get worked up over.  They're all over the situation in Ukraine but dont seem to give a crap about the violence in Venezuela, or Mexico, or Darfur, or Palestine, or N. Korea, etc.


There is a bit of that, but really a potential conflict involving Russia, and a civil war in a European country, is a more significant event than another revolution in Venezuela, or continuing violence in Israel, or continuing craziness from North Korea. This at least has the potential for a flashpoint, a spark could set the world ablaze. We've all seen films, we know how it goes without Jack Ryan to save the day.

You won't get that from Venezuela.
 
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