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(Washington Examiner)   John Kerry: Putin has until Monday to reverse course on Ukraine. Or else, Tuesday   (washingtonexaminer.com) divider line 212
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2014-03-13 05:01:56 PM
Or else, Tuesday.

FTA:

- Kerry said the U.S. and its European allies will not recognize (Crimea) as legitimate under international law

- The U.S. and Europe on Monday would then unite to impose sanctions on Russia

But if it isn't WWIII, it just isn't enough for the war hawks, right?
 
2014-03-13 05:08:20 PM
What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?
 
2014-03-13 05:20:56 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Or else, Tuesday.

FTA:

- Kerry said the U.S. and its European allies will not recognize (Crimea) as legitimate under international law

- The U.S. and Europe on Monday would then unite to impose sanctions on Russia

But if it isn't WWIII, it just isn't enough for the war hawks, right?


Well, if we have to send a few bullet catchers off so the defense contractors can buy a 4th vacation house, so be it
 
2014-03-13 06:05:17 PM

vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously
 
2014-03-13 06:12:14 PM
"Do what we say or we shall ask you again a second time."
 
2014-03-13 06:12:15 PM

BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously



Yeah, like when Bush was in office and Russia totally didn't invade Georgia. Oh, wait...
 
2014-03-13 06:12:49 PM
Let's have a war! It's been just DAYS since the last one!!
 
2014-03-13 06:13:34 PM

BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Putin was aggressive way before Obama.
 
2014-03-13 06:13:47 PM
SEND IN HANS BRIX!

www.nostate.com
 
2014-03-13 06:14:13 PM
Aha. John's taking a page from Al's playbook.
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2014-03-13 06:14:51 PM

BravadoGT: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?

There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Yep. Back in the good old Bush days of random invasions. Because that's what is important in this world. To show strength to your potential enemies. Who cares if we appear strong to Putin? He ain't going to see any combat.
 
2014-03-13 06:14:51 PM
We'll be Putin up with this for a while, methinks
 
2014-03-13 06:15:16 PM

MBooda: Aha. John's taking a page from Al's playbook.


As opposed to what alternative, exactly?
 
2014-03-13 06:16:08 PM

vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


Ask Major Bison
 
2014-03-13 06:16:22 PM

BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do. Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


how so?
 
2014-03-13 06:16:58 PM

BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Come on. The Russians have always been willing to throw a shoulder into a neighboring country - this is nothing new, and certainly not new in the Ukraine. Our option - our only option, whether this had happened yesterday or twenty years ago - is to get the rest of the world together and impose sanctions to calm them down.

How is that not an acceptable solution? Why the fark would you be willing to risk the entirety of the world over a dick measuring contest with Russia?
 
2014-03-13 06:17:37 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Or else, Tuesday.

FTA:

- Kerry said the U.S. and its European allies will not recognize (Crimea) as legitimate under international law

- The U.S. and Europe on Monday would then unite to impose sanctions on Russia

But if it isn't WWIII, it just isn't enough for the war hawks, right?


WWIII wont happen. It just wont. We are not going to get militarily involved. That is between the Ukraine and Russia. However, we will most likely implement sanctions, and it might not just be token sanctions. We need to tell them that the international community frowns on their shenanigans, and halting the purchase of Russian oil (beyond essential for their economic well being) might make them think twice.
 
2014-03-13 06:18:02 PM
s8.postimg.org
 
2014-03-13 06:18:26 PM

Isitoveryet: BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do. Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously

how so?


Well, to be a strong, credible leader, you have to invade random countries for no actual reason.  It's just how it goes.
 
2014-03-13 06:18:52 PM

BravadoGT: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?

There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Putin wants to rebuild the Soviet Empire. It doesn't matter who is in the White House because his endgame is still the same.
 
2014-03-13 06:18:55 PM
It's almost like subby has no concept of proportionality somehow.
 
2014-03-13 06:19:50 PM
 
2014-03-13 06:20:40 PM
...and so it begins.
 
2014-03-13 06:20:55 PM

vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


I'd like him to keep his big fat mouth shut and not blunder the US into a war.

With this bunch of farking amateurs in the White House, the nation will be lucky if we survive until the next Presidential election.
 
2014-03-13 06:20:57 PM
Obama is weak. Here's proof:
 
2014-03-13 06:21:47 PM

shower_in_my_socks: BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Yeah, like when Bush was in office and Russia totally didn't invade Georgia. Oh, wait...


Yeah nothing happened before that. Just out if the blue, Russia went into Georgia.
 
2014-03-13 06:21:59 PM

cman: WWIII wont happen. It just wont. We are not going to get militarily involved. That is between the Ukraine and Russia. However, we will most likely implement sanctions, and it might not just be token sanctions. We need to tell them that the international community frowns on their shenanigans, and halting the purchase of Russian oil (beyond essential for their economic well being) might make them think twice.


I would urge sanctions immediately and if/when Putin withdraws occupation, keep the sanctions in place perpetually, let Putin come to EU and beg for the sanctions to be lifted, then we will consider that.
 
2014-03-13 06:22:28 PM

Here's less meta proof


http://gif1.ask.fm/animated_gifs/000/086/640/384/animated/supergifki_ p utin.gif
 
2014-03-13 06:23:02 PM
 
2014-03-13 06:24:13 PM

shower_in_my_socks: MBooda: Aha. John's taking a page from Al's playbook.

As opposed to what alternative, exactly?


Obviously, talk Putin down on that $20,000,000 for sending the whale to the moon.
 
2014-03-13 06:24:26 PM
Yay for the world's police.

/ aren't there any brown people left to harass?
 
2014-03-13 06:25:39 PM
burstupdates.files.wordpress.com
 
2014-03-13 06:25:54 PM
not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t
 
2014-03-13 06:26:18 PM
Who is this John Kerry, and why is he trying to speak for the U.S.?
 
2014-03-13 06:26:20 PM

ourbigdumbmouth: Yeah nothing happened before that. Just out if the blue, Russia went into Georgia.



Preceding that was 8 years of Bush neo-con wars showing how "powerful" we were. At the absolute peak moment of America's d!ck swinging, Russia still did what it wanted.

Maybe the world doesn't revolve around the US and who is in the White House.
 
2014-03-13 06:26:42 PM

Ooba Tooba: BravadoGT: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?

There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously

Yep. Back in the good old Bush days of random invasions. Because that's what is important in this world. To show strength to your potential enemies. Who cares if we appear strong to Putin? He ain't going to see any combat.


Then why did Kerry say anything at all?
 
2014-03-13 06:26:53 PM
Did he deliver that in a strongly worded letter?
 
2014-03-13 06:27:16 PM
Crimeariver will "vote" to join Russia.
Outrage will ensue.
Putin gives world smug face.
News peters out after a while.
Public soon immersed in March Madness.

God timing, Putie!
 
2014-03-13 06:27:25 PM
We can do exactly nothing about this without starting WWIII. Do you want to die so Sevastopol is still a city in Ukraine as opposed to Russia? No one does (with the exception of some people living there no doubt). Not sure what the west was expecting. Ever since we started marching NATO eastward while the Russians were weak post USSR we could expect them to act in a belligerent manner once they had regained some of their lost power. We pushed Russia away/down for so long instead of trying to incorporate them in the world system it was almost inevitable another strongman would come along to try and regain former glory. If the bear's hungry, he'll eat.
 
2014-03-13 06:27:28 PM
thecontrariancorner.com
 
2014-03-13 06:29:12 PM

vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?



How about: stop making idle threats like you're a John Wayne-esque tough guy?
 
2014-03-13 06:29:27 PM

mraudacia: not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t


geez, that's a lot of info to digest.

Russia actions are abhorrent.
 
2014-03-13 06:31:40 PM

Mouser: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?

I'd like him to keep his big fat mouth shut and not blunder the US into a war.

With this bunch of farking amateurs in the White House, the nation will be lucky if we survive until the next Presidential election.


http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-beast/201104/conservat iv es-big-fear-brain-study-finds
 
2014-03-13 06:32:08 PM

Lokkii: Then why did Kerry say anything at all?


Because the US and Europe are going to begin sanctioning Russia on Monday if Russia doesn't back down. It's called diplomacy.
 
2014-03-13 06:32:13 PM

Pinner: Crimeariver will "vote" to join Russia.


Here's what's on the ballot Russia set up for Crimea:
Option A: Join Russia.
Option B: Leave Ukraine.

Yeah, that's a legitimate election right there
 
2014-03-13 06:32:37 PM
STFU Kerry.
 
2014-03-13 06:33:30 PM

BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do. Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Serious question, if Obama had "credibility", what would he be able to do that would prevent the Russians from seizing Crimea?
 
2014-03-13 06:34:14 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Or else, Tuesday.

FTA:

- Kerry said the U.S. and its European allies will not recognize (Crimea) as legitimate under international law

- The U.S. and Europe on Monday would then unite to impose sanctions on Russia

But if it isn't WWIII, it just isn't enough for the war hawks, right?


Syria will probably be bombed over this.
 
2014-03-13 06:34:32 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


How about: stop making idle threats like you're a John Wayne-esque tough guy?


Wait, so now we're complaining that Obama is too much of a tough guy?
 
2014-03-13 06:34:54 PM

StopLurkListen: Pinner: Crimeariver will "vote" to join Russia.

Here's what's on the ballot Russia set up for Crimea:
Option A: Join Russia.
Option B: Leave Ukraine.

Yeah, that's a legitimate election right there


The referendum is illegal to begin with since any votes of secession must be taken by Ukraine as a whole, (not just the breakaway region) as per the Ukrainian constitution.. and that's just setting aside the "influence" the Russian military presence will have on the vote (and the steadfast refusal to allow UN monitors).
 
2014-03-13 06:36:34 PM

Mentat: BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do. Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously

Serious question, if Obama had "credibility", what would he be able to do that would prevent the Russians from seizing Crimea?


Why are you bringing rational discourse into an argument made from emotions?
 
2014-03-13 06:36:37 PM
"Come on you spineless pussy, DO something! You gonna let this guy disrespect us like that? He doesn't care about your whiny complaints! Stand up to him! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! ...Heyyyy now. Whoa. What are you DOING, man, your amateurish bumbling has gotten us into a fight! What the fark is WRONG with you? Someone is going to get hurt now and it'll be ALL YOUR FAULT. oh lordy someone bring me my fainting couch..."
 
2014-03-13 06:36:41 PM
img.fark.net
Time for another strongly worded letter.
 
2014-03-13 06:36:53 PM

socoloco: STFU Kerry.


Lokkii: Then why did Kerry say anything at all?


so you approve of unchecked Russian expansion?
 
2014-03-13 06:37:10 PM

BravadoGT: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?

There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Now that is funny.  Pre-emptive war based on lies made us really credible.  Obama just pissed it all away.
 
2014-03-13 06:37:18 PM
Is there anything Ambassador Rodman can do to contribute?
 
2014-03-13 06:37:58 PM
What is the virtue of a proportional response?
 
2014-03-13 06:38:30 PM

Mouser: With this bunch of farking amateurs in the White House, the nation will be lucky if we survive until the next Presidential election.


What a stupid, completely ridiculous farking statement.
 
2014-03-13 06:39:07 PM

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: "Come on you spineless pussy, DO something! You gonna let this guy disrespect us like that? He doesn't care about your whiny complaints! Stand up to him! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT! ...Heyyyy now. Whoa. What are you DOING, man, your amateurish bumbling has gotten us into a fight! What the fark is WRONG with you? Someone is going to get hurt now and it'll be ALL YOUR FAULT. oh lordy someone bring me my fainting couch..."


hah! exactly.

attack the man, provide no assistance or participation in governing.
 
2014-03-13 06:41:48 PM
So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.
 
2014-03-13 06:42:09 PM

Isitoveryet: mraudacia: not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t

geez, that's a lot of info to digest.

Russia actions are abhorrent.


I know, ive been shiatting myself, after the usa said they would "back up Ukraine militarily" and watching the chess pieces deploy, yes... new pair of underwear please.
 
2014-03-13 06:43:17 PM

bobothemagnificent: Time for another strongly worded letter.


No, sanctions. Worked with Iran, will work here. Russia's economy already sucks. Wouldn't take much.
 
2014-03-13 06:45:12 PM

hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.


I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.
 
2014-03-13 06:46:30 PM

Mentat: BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do. Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously

Serious question, if Obama had "credibility", what would he be able to do that would prevent the Russians from seizing Crimea?


Something.
 
2014-03-13 06:47:39 PM
And, (as usual) the foreign policy sophisticates of Fark have a very clear opinion of what the US should be doing, and what the US should be doing is "Something different.  Lessy pussyish, but maybe dial back the bravado.  And the US needs to be a credible threat, but not spend any money, nor commit any troops."
 
2014-03-13 06:48:40 PM

hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.


Shock and Awe would work better.
 
2014-03-13 06:49:22 PM

Mentat: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


How about: stop making idle threats like you're a John Wayne-esque tough guy?

Wait, so now we're complaining that Obama acting like is too much of a tough guy?

FTFY - Acting is the key word.
 
2014-03-13 06:49:26 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.


Not after they start getting US natural gas.
 
2014-03-13 06:49:37 PM

Isitoveryet: BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do. Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously

how so?


By being born
 
2014-03-13 06:51:09 PM
Russian Soldier: You don't frighten us, American pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, you sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called "Obama King," you and all your silly American K-nig-hts.

Paraphrased from a certain Monte Python movie...
 
2014-03-13 06:54:00 PM
Giving in to kidnappers is always dangerous: those who fail to take a stand to start with often face graver trials later on.

Crimea seems inclined to turn eastward instead; and if its people voted for an orderly secession, it might well get the backing of the outside world. But the referendum that has been announced for March 16th is being held at the point of a Kalashnikov. Moreover, the justification Mr Putin claims for sending in troops is not Crimea's unique history, but the principle that the Kremlin has a duty to protect Russians and Russian-speakers wherever they may be-the logic that Hitler used when he seized parts of Europe in the 1930s. If the West implicitly accepts this line, Mr Putin will have a pretext for intervening to protect Russians scattered across the former Soviet Union, from Central Asia to the Baltic.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21598639-west-can-punish-putin s- russia-its-belligerence-ukraine-only-if-it-prepared
 
2014-03-13 06:54:58 PM
If you're not with us, you're against us.
 
2014-03-13 06:55:06 PM
Kerry responded carefully, saying "we have contingencies - we are talking through various options that may or may not be available."
"Our hope is not to create hysteria or excessive concern about that at this point in time," he said. "Our hope is to avoid that, but there's no telling that we can."


Just what the fark are you trying to say Kerry? Pull that cawk out of your mouth when trying to speak.
 
2014-03-13 06:57:48 PM

mraudacia: not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t


I'm not a redditter but I'm keeping an open tab in my browser with this thread for the last 3 or 4 weeks.


Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles moved around near Odessa.

pbs.twimg.com

Youtube video
Other video
 
2014-03-13 06:57:51 PM

CynicalLA: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

Shock and Awe would work better.



No I believe we are making the right choices and anyone that wants to take on Russia is a moron IMHO, but lets not kid ourselves.  Putin doesn't care and we aren't likely do do any deep sanctions because Europe isn't likely to back them due to the economic impact will take them and thus us into a recession.

Russia took Crimea because the port and there isn't jack anyone will or can do about it.  Even the Ukranian president said yesterday that they are not going to fight Russia over it because they would lose the entire country.  In the end Russia will have their port and in a few months this will likely be forgotten by the latest lost airplane/whatever story.
 
2014-03-13 06:57:53 PM

StopLurkListen: Pinner: Crimeariver will "vote" to join Russia.

Here's what's on the ballot Russia set up for Crimea:
Option A: Join Russia.
Option B: Leave Ukraine.

Yeah, that's a legitimate election right there


news.bbcimg.co.uk

Seems normal and unbiased. Yet it's the west that's brainwashing everyone with propaganda? Yeah, okay.
 
2014-03-13 06:59:14 PM

Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.


They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.
 
2014-03-13 07:00:23 PM

AngryDragon: Did he deliver that in a strongly worded letter?


hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.


bobothemagnificent: Time for another strongly worded letter.


blogs.telegraph.co.uk


"I know, right???"


/I see you guys all received the same talking point
 
2014-03-13 07:00:38 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.



That's the thing. Putin knows the EU needs Russian oil and gas. Sanctions are going to be "The EU will no longer import anymore matryoshka dolls until Russia pulls it's forces out of Crimea."

Putin is working this whole thing like a boss. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hand in the ousting of Yanukovych who shouldn't have even entertained getting cozy with the west.
 
2014-03-13 07:01:32 PM

Communist_Manifesto: They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.


Norway's got 'em covered
 
2014-03-13 07:01:40 PM

The Bestest: StopLurkListen: Pinner: Crimeariver will "vote" to join Russia.

Here's what's on the ballot Russia set up for Crimea:
Option A: Join Russia.
Option B: Leave Ukraine.

Yeah, that's a legitimate election right there

The referendum is illegal to begin with since any votes of secession must be taken by Ukraine as a whole, (not just the breakaway region) as per the Ukrainian constitution.. and that's just setting aside the "influence" the Russian military presence will have on the vote (and the steadfast refusal to allow UN monitors).


When you say "Ukraine as a whole", who do you mean?  Do you mean the constitutionally elected, and then deposed, president Yanukovych and his government, or do you mean the unconstitutional government that took his place in Kiev?  If the protesters in Kiev had a right to topple the government there, then the people of Crimea most definitely have a right to do the same.
 
2014-03-13 07:03:13 PM

Finger51: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.


That's the thing. Putin knows the EU needs Russian oil and gas. Sanctions are going to be "The EU will no longer import anymore matryoshka dolls until Russia pulls it's forces out of Crimea."

Putin is working this whole thing like a boss. I wouldn't be surprised if he had a hand in the ousting of Yanukovych who shouldn't have even entertained getting cozy with the west.


Do you know how popular bikes are in Europe? They need Russian oil as much as a welfare mom needs a cell phone

/Window seat. Isle seat doesn't have enough room.
 
2014-03-13 07:03:14 PM

fanbladesaresharp: Just what the fark are you trying to say Kerry?


He's saying we aren't going to start WWIII over Ukraine, but that there will still be other consequences for the Russians, like sanctions, removal from the G8, and possibly a nice little proxy war to destroy the Russian economy in a money pit occupation. For an example, see: US in Afghanistan.
 
2014-03-13 07:03:41 PM

Whatchoo Talkinbout: Mentat: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


How about: stop making idle threats like you're a John Wayne-esque tough guy?

Wait, so now we're complaining that Obama acting like is too much of a tough guy?
FTFY - Acting is the key word.


Ah, so Obama is a socialist fascist Kenyan Muslim atheist empty-suit naive warmongering community-organizing dictator who has pissed away our national credibility by acting like John Wayne on an apology tour.
 
2014-03-13 07:04:45 PM

Communist_Manifesto: Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.

They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.


That's what I was thinking.
 
2014-03-13 07:04:49 PM

positronica: When you say "Ukraine as a whole", who do you mean?  Do you mean the constitutionally elected, and then deposed, president Yanukovych and his government, or do you mean the unconstitutional government that took his place in Kiev?  If the protesters in Kiev had a right to topple the government there, then the people of Crimea most definitely have a right to do the same.


Fair enough point, but that still doesn't make the Crimea referendum legal.
 
2014-03-13 07:06:07 PM

The Bestest: positronica: When you say "Ukraine as a whole", who do you mean?  Do you mean the constitutionally elected, and then deposed, president Yanukovych and his government, or do you mean the unconstitutional government that took his place in Kiev?  If the protesters in Kiev had a right to topple the government there, then the people of Crimea most definitely have a right to do the same.

Fair enough point, but that still doesn't make the Crimea referendum legal.


Constitutional niceties went out the window a while ago for the Ukraine
 
2014-03-13 07:08:12 PM
Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.
 
2014-03-13 07:08:40 PM

The Bestest: Communist_Manifesto: They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.

Norway's got 'em covered


Doesn't Norway more or less already export pretty much all of the excess to Europe right now? I don't know how they would be able to provide Europe with twice the amount if Russia shuts the pipelines off.
 
2014-03-13 07:09:33 PM
i see the Obama blamers are already out in force with their sound, logical resolutions for what the President really should be doing.

/wait...no they haven't
 
2014-03-13 07:09:47 PM

Communist_Manifesto: Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.

They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.


Winter's almost over in Europe, and if necessary, Germany can kick their nuclear plant back online.

Russia may well keep Crimea, but they're going to suffer for it for years to come. Economically and politically, this was a complete disaster for Russia.
 
2014-03-13 07:11:10 PM

Communist_Manifesto: The Bestest: Communist_Manifesto: They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.

Norway's got 'em covered

Doesn't Norway more or less already export pretty much all of the excess to Europe right now? I don't know how they would be able to provide Europe with twice the amount if Russia shuts the pipelines off.


Look for fuel cost to start going up soon.
 
2014-03-13 07:11:26 PM

Infernalist: Communist_Manifesto: Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.

They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.

Winter's almost over in Europe, and if necessary, Germany can kick their nuclear plant back online.

Russia may well keep Crimea, but they're going to suffer for it for years to come. Economically and politically, this was a complete disaster for Russia.


That should say nuclear plants, plural. Stupid phone.
 
2014-03-13 07:11:32 PM
Wow, the GOP shills are out in force today.
 
2014-03-13 07:11:33 PM

Communist_Manifesto: Doesn't Norway more or less already export pretty much all of the excess to Europe right now? I don't know how they would be able to provide Europe with twice the amount if Russia shuts the pipelines off.


It'll be a crunch for sure, but Norway has already made a statement saying they would be able to cover short-term needs.
 
2014-03-13 07:12:17 PM

TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.


Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.
 
2014-03-13 07:12:20 PM
All kidding aside, economic sanctions and asset freeze of Russian interests would seriously put Putin/Russia in a terrible position and hurt them badly. Even Putin can strong arm his way out if Russia goes into a financial meltdown.
 
2014-03-13 07:12:51 PM

TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.


But enough about Kremlin
 
2014-03-13 07:13:21 PM

cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.


who listens to the Poles!?

/i kid!
//no time for kidding i guess :(
 
2014-03-13 07:13:38 PM
We're not going to do squat, and neither are the Germans. The rest of NATO is as deeply in debt as the US is. There are still a few people alive who remember Germany's last visit to the Ukraine. Putin has won this round.
 
2014-03-13 07:13:41 PM

cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.


Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.
 
2014-03-13 07:14:20 PM

positronica: The Bestest: StopLurkListen: Pinner: Crimeariver will "vote" to join Russia.

Here's what's on the ballot Russia set up for Crimea:
Option A: Join Russia.
Option B: Leave Ukraine.

Yeah, that's a legitimate election right there

The referendum is illegal to begin with since any votes of secession must be taken by Ukraine as a whole, (not just the breakaway region) as per the Ukrainian constitution.. and that's just setting aside the "influence" the Russian military presence will have on the vote (and the steadfast refusal to allow UN monitors).

When you say "Ukraine as a whole", who do you mean?  Do you mean the constitutionally elected, and then deposed, president Yanukovych and his government, or do you mean the unconstitutional government that took his place in Kiev?  If the protesters in Kiev had a right to topple the government there, then the people of Crimea most definitely have a right to do the same.


Does it really matter? Any vote taken to join another country while that country is actively invading is just not valid. Crimea didn't invite the Russians in to protect them from the rest of Ukraine, Russia did an unprovoked invasion. When Russia leaves and demobilizes then the vote may be credible.
 
2014-03-13 07:14:58 PM

The Bestest: positronica: When you say "Ukraine as a whole", who do you mean?  Do you mean the constitutionally elected, and then deposed, president Yanukovych and his government, or do you mean the unconstitutional government that took his place in Kiev?  If the protesters in Kiev had a right to topple the government there, then the people of Crimea most definitely have a right to do the same.

Fair enough point, but that still doesn't make the Crimea referendum legal.


NRBH*
*Not really, but hey
 
2014-03-13 07:15:01 PM

Infernalist: Communist_Manifesto: Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.

They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.

Winter's almost over in Europe, and if necessary, Germany can kick their nuclear plant back online.

Russia may well keep Crimea, but they're going to suffer for it for years to come. Economically and politically, this was a complete disaster for Russia.


I was more  referring to if the conflict lasted until 2015 when the US could send a trickle of LNG to europe. The Germans could put some reactors back online I guess, but I'm not sure that's a feasible replacement for the LNG. I don't think there's too much we can do without resorting to WWIII to get the Russians to stop this nonsense sadly. Maybe someone more creative than me can come up with a plan though.
 
2014-03-13 07:15:54 PM

TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.


Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence
 
2014-03-13 07:17:15 PM

cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence


So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.
 
2014-03-13 07:17:52 PM

Fusilier: We're not going to do squat, and neither are the Germans. The rest of NATO is as deeply in debt as the US is. There are still a few people alive who remember Germany's last visit to the Ukraine. Putin has won this round.


Militarily over Crimea? No. Crimea is effectively lost already and the referendum is just a formality. There is still an obligation (by the West) to resist it, however, and more stringent economic sanctions are forthcoming barring some kind of deal.

A march on Odessa or Kyiv -would- possibly be met militarily.
 
2014-03-13 07:18:31 PM

The Bestest: Communist_Manifesto: Doesn't Norway more or less already export pretty much all of the excess to Europe right now? I don't know how they would be able to provide Europe with twice the amount if Russia shuts the pipelines off.

It'll be a crunch for sure, but Norway has already made a statement saying they would be able to cover short-term needs.


Well I hope that's right, do you have a link to that? I still think sanctions against Russia won't be all that efficacious at bringing about change given how large and integrated Russias economy is but then again if the Oligarchs feel the pain in the pocketbooks I bet Russia starts playing a different tune real quick. Either way this is a farked up situation, I don't like living under an increased threat of global thermonuclear war.
 
2014-03-13 07:18:44 PM

Fusilier: We're not going to do squat, and neither are the Germans. The rest of NATO is as deeply in debt as the US is. There are still a few people alive who remember Germany's last visit to the Ukraine. Putin has won this round.


You must be drunk. The German and American economies have both recovered faster and stronger than any others in the global market.

Russia has zero economic leverage to get out of this mess. They've already lost over 58 billion and they haven't even laid sanctions yet, much less asset seizure of Russian interests.

How do you say 'financial meltdown' in Russian?
 
2014-03-13 07:20:16 PM

mraudacia: not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t

"The United States circulated a draft resolution to the U.N. Security Council on Thursday that would declare Sunday's planned referendum on independence for Ukraine's Crimea region illegal, but Russia has vowed to veto it, council diplomats said.

"

Ah, a textbook example of how the U.N. is only useful in pushing around the little guys and not solving actual major problems.
 
2014-03-13 07:21:06 PM

Communist_Manifesto: Well I hope that's right, do you have a link to that?


This article says they (Norway) could only do it for a few days, but they are prepared to.
 
2014-03-13 07:22:51 PM
what's with he deadlines? just launch the bombers...get this biatch going!!! this war isn't gonna fight itself
 
2014-03-13 07:23:42 PM

Infernalist: Communist_Manifesto: Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.

They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.

Winter's almost over in Europe, and if necessary, Germany can kick their nuclear plant back online.

Russia may well keep Crimea, but they're going to suffer for it for years to come. Economically and politically, this was a complete disaster for Russia.



The US really wants to hit hard with sanctions and we may do so, but I just don't see Europe going along unless we prop them up.  England, France, and Germany has already said they don't want sanctions and as long as Russia stays to Crimea it's going to be a tough sell.   Europe has been trying to move away from being dependent on Russia but they aren't there yet.  Their economy is already weak and they are afraid of it faltering so I can see their hesitation.

I do believe Russia will keep Crimea and it will hurt them in the long run economically and speed up the European pullout from Russian gas/oil.  It will also hurt them as it will draw the EU and NATO much closer together as well as speeding up letting in countries.  I agree Putin may win the battle but lose the war when it's all said and done.
 
2014-03-13 07:23:46 PM

The Bestest: Communist_Manifesto: Well I hope that's right, do you have a link to that?

This article says they (Norway) could only do it for a few days, but they are prepared to.


I knew our warm winter would come in handy.
 
2014-03-13 07:24:36 PM

The Pope of Manwich Village: Is there anything Ambassador Rodman can do to contribute?


Will puking on one of the Kremlin's nice carpets help?
 
2014-03-13 07:24:43 PM

TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.


Not everyone is a Democrat or a Republican. Its sad that people are so blinded by us v them that they forget that.

Since you wont provide a citation, I will provide one for my argument about support for war.
 
2014-03-13 07:25:15 PM

BigNumber12: mraudacia: not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t

"The United States circulated a draft resolution to the U.N. Security Council on Thursday that would declare Sunday's planned referendum on independence for Ukraine's Crimea region illegal, but Russia has vowed to veto it, council diplomats said."

Ah, a textbook example of how the U.N. is only useful in pushing around the little guys and not solving actual major problems.


Russia is one of the five permanent members with veto power.  What did you expect?
 
2014-03-13 07:26:15 PM

cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.

Not everyone is a Democrat or a Republican. Its sad that people are so blinded by us v them that they forget that.

Since you wont provide a citation, I will provide one for my argument about support for war.


Whoops. HTML fail on my part. Fixed here
 
2014-03-13 07:27:13 PM
trolibanas.lt: These days pretty much everyone in Ukraine realize that gays from Brussels are better than [censored] from Russia

trolibanas.lt: Fascists everywhere. ???


trolibanas.lt: Don't curse in Russian, or Putin will "save" you
 
2014-03-13 07:27:23 PM

traylor: mraudacia: not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t

I'm not a redditter but I'm keeping an open tab in my browser with this thread for the last 3 or 4 weeks.


Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles moved around near Odessa.

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x399]

Youtube video
Other video


Say what you will about its purpose, but God is military hardware beautiful.
 
2014-03-13 07:27:33 PM

cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.

Not everyone is a Democrat or a Republican. Its sad that people are so blinded by us v them that they forget that.

Since you wont provide a citation, I will provide one for my argument about support for war.


What's your point? The GOP and many conservatives have been saber rattling. If McCain, Graham, and Cheney don't represent the right wing dicks I'm talking about, no evidence will appease your desire to whitewash conservatives history of war mongering.

/I'm not a Democrat myself, that's not really relevant since liberals aren't saber rattling, are they?
 
2014-03-13 07:28:31 PM

Infernalist: Fusilier: We're not going to do squat, and neither are the Germans. The rest of NATO is as deeply in debt as the US is. There are still a few people alive who remember Germany's last visit to the Ukraine. Putin has won this round.

You must be drunk. The German and American economies have both recovered faster and stronger than any others in the global market.

Russia has zero economic leverage to get out of this mess. They've already lost over 58 billion and they haven't even laid sanctions yet, much less asset seizure of Russian interests.

How do you say 'financial meltdown' in Russian?


Woot! We're the West's tallest midget! Last time I looked the Federal Government seemed to be running in the red, and the recovery on Main Street is not nearly as robust as that on Wall Street. How are NATO stalwarts like Spain, Italy, Greece, and Poland doing? Think they'll sign on for a bit of belt tightening to make Mr. Putin back off?
 
2014-03-13 07:29:49 PM

TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.

Not everyone is a Democrat or a Republican. Its sad that people are so blinded by us v them that they forget that.

Since you wont provide a citation, I will provide one for my argument about support for war.

What's your point? The GOP and many conservatives have been saber rattling. If McCain, Graham, and Cheney don't represent the right wing dicks I'm talking about, no evidence will appease your desire to whitewash conservatives history of war mongering.

/I'm not a Democrat myself, that's not really relevant since liberals aren't saber rattling, are they?


I am not whitewashing history. I am talking about the Ukraine. That's been the only context that I was speaking of. How you got from A to B I don't know, but polls show that Americans really don't want war, left or right.
 
2014-03-13 07:30:51 PM
I hope the Obama knee lickers are ready to go fight for him to keep Ukraine free.

When you elect a weak-kneed President who goes on a US apology tour to tell the world we're sorry for having a military.  We're sorry for having military strength.  We're sorry we caused so much problems, can we just kiss and make up while bowing down to other world leaders in turn, it shows the world the leader we have is an elected tool, a pansy to be walked over.  When the same leader tells other world leaders "I'm drawing a red line, I mean it." then when the bad guy world leader crosses said red line only for the President to turn his back on said red line, it shows the world the President is weak and has no backbone.  Putin has played his cards right, knows Obama is all bark and no bite who guts the military to levels prior to our superpower standing.

I wanna see every last Obama voter go volunteer in our military so we can bring those numbers up to mean something.
 
2014-03-13 07:31:15 PM

Fusilier: Infernalist: Fusilier: We're not going to do squat, and neither are the Germans. The rest of NATO is as deeply in debt as the US is. There are still a few people alive who remember Germany's last visit to the Ukraine. Putin has won this round.

You must be drunk. The German and American economies have both recovered faster and stronger than any others in the global market.

Russia has zero economic leverage to get out of this mess. They've already lost over 58 billion and they haven't even laid sanctions yet, much less asset seizure of Russian interests.

How do you say 'financial meltdown' in Russian?

Woot! We're the West's tallest midget! Last time I looked the Federal Government seemed to be running in the red, and the recovery on Main Street is not nearly as robust as that on Wall Street. How are NATO stalwarts like Spain, Italy, Greece, and Poland doing? Think they'll sign on for a bit of belt tightening to make Mr. Putin back off?


They're all doing much better than Russia. The only dependable source of solid currency for Russia is from Europe and winter's nearly over.

They need our money far more than we need the fuel.
 
2014-03-13 07:32:12 PM

Fusilier: Woot! We're the West's tallest midget! Last time I looked the Federal Government seemed to be running in the red, and the recovery on Main Street is not nearly as robust as that on Wall Street. How are NATO stalwarts like Spain, Italy, Greece, and Poland doing? Think they'll sign on for a bit of belt tightening to make Mr. Putin back off?


Poland prob would, they are scared as hell atm of Russia invading.  Not gonna happen, but considering their history can you blame them. :)
 
2014-03-13 07:33:47 PM

cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.

Not everyone is a Democrat or a Republican. Its sad that people are so blinded by us v them that they forget that.

Since you wont provide a citation, I will provide one for my argument about support for war.

What's your point? The GOP and many conservatives have been saber rattling. If McCain, Graham, and Cheney don't represent the right wing dicks I'm talking about, no evidence will appease your desire to whitewash conservatives history of war mongering.

/I'm not a Democrat myself, that's not really relevant since liberals aren't saber rattling, are they?

I am not whitewashing history. I am talking about the Ukraine. That's been the only context that I was speaking of. How you got from A to B I don't know, but polls show that Americans really don't want war, left or right.


Yet prominent members of the  GOP and many of its supporters seem to want it. That link didn't break down the results either, but I'd assume people on the right are more inclined to get involved than moderates and liberals. Thank God a plurality of all sides are against intervention, Americans are sick of war.
 
2014-03-13 07:33:49 PM
Back the Ukrainians with military aid but no troops. Supply intel and have them only pursue those 'unknown gunmen' who Putin has disavowed. Keep Odessa and the Eastern Ukraine in Kiev's control.

Meantime have US, EU and all others willing deny ALL visas to Russian citizens(diplomatic personnel excluded).  Continue with sanctions.
 
2014-03-13 07:34:31 PM
What Putin thinks of the USA.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a2a_1394529805

/ I don't thinks he gives a crap about sanctions.
 
2014-03-13 07:34:40 PM
What Putin thinks of the USA.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a2a_1394529805">http://www.liveleak.c om/view?i=a2a_1394529805

/ I don't thinks he gives a crap about sanctions.
 
2014-03-13 07:35:23 PM

CynicalLA: BigNumber12: mraudacia: not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t

"The United States circulated a draft resolution to the U.N. Security Council on Thursday that would declare Sunday's planned referendum on independence for Ukraine's Crimea region illegal, but Russia has vowed to veto it, council diplomats said."

Ah, a textbook example of how the U.N. is only useful in pushing around the little guys and not solving actual major problems.

Russia is one of the five permanent members with veto power.  What did you expect?


Yes, that's what I'm commenting on, the Veto power.
 
2014-03-13 07:35:44 PM

TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.

Not everyone is a Democrat or a Republican. Its sad that people are so blinded by us v them that they forget that.

Since you wont provide a citation, I will provide one for my argument about support for war.

What's your point? The GOP and many conservatives have been saber rattling. If McCain, Graham, and Cheney don't represent the right wing dicks I'm talking about, no evidence will appease your desire to whitewash conservatives history of war mongering.

/I'm not a Democrat myself, that's not really relevant since liberals aren't saber rattling, are they?

I am not whitewashing history. I am talking about the Ukraine. That's been the only context that I was speaking of. How you got from A to B I don't know, but polls show that Americans really don't want war, left or right.

Yet prominent members of the  GOP and many of its supporters seem to want it. That link didn't break down the results either, but I'd assume people on the right are more inclined to get involved than moderates and liberals. Thank God a plurality of all sides are against intervention, Americans are sick of war.


Politicians don't always represent the will of the people. I haven't seen McCain talk about the Ukraine so I cant comment on what he said, but I will say that McCain has always been an opportunist moreso than a hard believer in ideology.
 
2014-03-13 07:36:23 PM

SithLord: I hope the Obama knee lickers are ready to go fight for him to keep Ukraine free.

When you elect a weak-kneed President who goes on a US apology tour to tell the world we're sorry for having a military.  We're sorry for having military strength.  We're sorry we caused so much problems, can we just kiss and make up while bowing down to other world leaders in turn, it shows the world the leader we have is an elected tool, a pansy to be walked over.  When the same leader tells other world leaders "I'm drawing a red line, I mean it." then when the bad guy world leader crosses said red line only for the President to turn his back on said red line, it shows the world the President is weak and has no backbone.  Putin has played his cards right, knows Obama is all bark and no bite who guts the military to levels prior to our superpower standing.

I wanna see every last Obama voter go volunteer in our military so we can bring those numbers up to mean something.


Why would people that are against war and voted for the guy for that reason sign up to fight a war they don't want? Either way, that was some bad trolling.
 
2014-03-13 07:36:53 PM
 
2014-03-13 07:38:14 PM

SithLord: I hope the Obama knee lickers are ready to go fight for him to keep Ukraine free.

When you elect a weak-kneed President who goes on a US apology tour to tell the world we're sorry for having a military.  We're sorry for having military strength.  We're sorry we caused so much problems, can we just kiss and make up while bowing down to other world leaders in turn, it shows the world the leader we have is an elected tool, a pansy to be walked over.  When the same leader tells other world leaders "I'm drawing a red line, I mean it." then when the bad guy world leader crosses said red line only for the President to turn his back on said red line, it shows the world the President is weak and has no backbone.  Putin has played his cards right, knows Obama is all bark and no bite who guts the military to levels prior to our superpower standing.

I wanna see every last Obama voter go volunteer in our military so we can bring those numbers up to mean something.


I honestly can't tell if this is satire or Talking Points Bingo
 
2014-03-13 07:39:51 PM

The Bestest: SithLord: I hope the Obama knee lickers are ready to go fight for him to keep Ukraine free.

When you elect a weak-kneed President who goes on a US apology tour to tell the world we're sorry for having a military.  We're sorry for having military strength.  We're sorry we caused so much problems, can we just kiss and make up while bowing down to other world leaders in turn, it shows the world the leader we have is an elected tool, a pansy to be walked over.  When the same leader tells other world leaders "I'm drawing a red line, I mean it." then when the bad guy world leader crosses said red line only for the President to turn his back on said red line, it shows the world the President is weak and has no backbone.  Putin has played his cards right, knows Obama is all bark and no bite who guts the military to levels prior to our superpower standing.

I wanna see every last Obama voter go volunteer in our military so we can bring those numbers up to mean something.

I honestly can't tell if this is satire or Talking Points Bingo


Likewise.

I was wondering how to reply to it but I just cant. Its too damn perfect to be trolling, but its too damn stupid to be real.
 
2014-03-13 07:40:06 PM

cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.

Not everyone is a Democrat or a Republican. Its sad that people are so blinded by us v them that they forget that.

Since you wont provide a citation, I will provide one for my argument about support for war.

What's your point? The GOP and many conservatives have been saber rattling. If McCain, Graham, and Cheney don't represent the right wing dicks I'm talking about, no evidence will appease your desire to whitewash conservatives history of war mongering.

/I'm not a Democrat myself, that's not really relevant since liberals aren't saber rattling, are they?

I am not whitewashing history. I am talking about the Ukraine. That's been the only context that I was speaking of. How you got from A to B I don't know, but polls show that Americans really don't want war, left or right.

Yet prominent members of the  GOP and many of its supporters seem to want it. That link didn't break down the results either, but I'd assume people on the right are more inclined to get involved than moderates and liberals. Thank God a plurality of all sides are against intervention, Americans are sick of war.

Politicians don't always represent the will of the people. I haven't seen McCain talk about the Ukraine so I cant comment on what he said, but I will say that McCain has always been an opportunist moreso than a hard believer in ideology.


Fair enough, but to act like war hawks and neo cons aren't a part if the GOP base is kind of silly.
 
2014-03-13 07:40:54 PM
The Crimea vote will be 95%. If it's any higher, it means that Guiliani voted twice.
 
2014-03-13 07:41:45 PM

TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: cman: TheJoe03: Right wingers really want another world war it seems. Bunch of psychotic morans.

Citation please. You wont find one. Polls have shown that military action in the Ukraine is not popular amongst the left or the right.

Just read this thread, the GOP kind of has the war/chicken hawk vote tied up.

Anecdotal evidence isn't evidence

So McCain is acting a fool? The GOP always has a boner for war, sorry your party is so farked up.

Not everyone is a Democrat or a Republican. Its sad that people are so blinded by us v them that they forget that.

Since you wont provide a citation, I will provide one for my argument about support for war.

What's your point? The GOP and many conservatives have been saber rattling. If McCain, Graham, and Cheney don't represent the right wing dicks I'm talking about, no evidence will appease your desire to whitewash conservatives history of war mongering.

/I'm not a Democrat myself, that's not really relevant since liberals aren't saber rattling, are they?

I am not whitewashing history. I am talking about the Ukraine. That's been the only context that I was speaking of. How you got from A to B I don't know, but polls show that Americans really don't want war, left or right.

Yet prominent members of the  GOP and many of its supporters seem to want it. That link didn't break down the results either, but I'd assume people on the right are more inclined to get involved than moderates and liberals. Thank God a plurality of all sides are against intervention, Americans are sick of war.

Politicians don't always represent the will of the people. I haven't seen McCain talk about the Ukraine so I cant comment on what he said, but I will say that McCain has always been an opportunist moreso than a hard believer in ideology.

Fair enough, but to act like war hawks and neo cons aren't a part if the GOP base is kind of silly.


Oh I aint.

My message wasn't meant to be some sort of defense for the GOP. I was only bashing McCain and nothing else.
 
2014-03-13 07:41:50 PM

shower_in_my_socks: BravadoGT: There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Yeah, like when Bush was in office and Russia totally didn't invade Georgia. Oh, wait...


Bush provided logistical support and flew combat ready Georgian soldiers from Afghanistan right after the invasion. Has obama offered logistical support? Cant even pass an aid bill since Reid attached IMF funding to it, despite a clean house bill.
 
2014-03-13 07:42:17 PM

ShonenBat: Back the Ukrainians with military aid but no troops. Supply intel and have them only pursue those 'unknown gunmen' who Putin has disavowed.


Aaaaaaagain, those would be the "Ethnic Russians" that Putin has sworn to defend from "Nazi aggression." He didn't disavow them, he said he doesn't control them. They may or may not be Russian soldiers, but Putin would welcome a few of their deaths, as that would be his Green Light for "Go Time."
 
2014-03-13 07:43:48 PM

SithLord: I hope the Obama knee lickers are ready to go fight for him to keep Ukraine free.

I wanna see every last Obama voter go volunteer in our military so we can bring those numbers up to mean something.


Why?
 
2014-03-13 07:44:16 PM

CynicalLA: BigNumber12: Say what you will about its purpose, but God is military hardware beautiful.

http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/air-strikes/ap ac he-decimates-group-of-insurgents/1386473957001/


Damn that Apache for making those poor people kill each other.
 
2014-03-13 07:44:17 PM

hi13760: What Putin thinks of the USA.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a2a_1394529805

/ I don't thinks he gives a crap about sanctions.


Interesting video.. and he's right about a lot of it. Lost me at the end when he was talking about the A-bomb though. That was bullshiat (about Japan being in the throes of surrender).
 
2014-03-13 07:44:44 PM

cameroncrazy1984: bobothemagnificent: Time for another strongly worded letter.

No, sanctions. Worked with Iran, will work here. Russia's economy already sucks. Wouldn't take much.


Yes the 30% of energy the EU would lose has zero repercussions. There is a reason Germany and most of Europe hasn't brought up sanctions
 
2014-03-13 07:46:35 PM

BigNumber12: CynicalLA: BigNumber12: Say what you will about its purpose, but God is military hardware beautiful.

http://www.military.com/video/operations-and-strategy/air-strikes/ap ac he-decimates-group-of-insurgents/1386473957001/

Damn that Apache for making those poor people kill each other.


I was agreeing with you.  It's a beautiful killing machine.
 
2014-03-13 07:47:47 PM

Communist_Manifesto: Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.

They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.


If only there was some pipeline to an abundant energy source which could increase energy exports from north America.. could call it Keystone maybe?
 
2014-03-13 07:47:53 PM

MyRandomName: cameroncrazy1984: bobothemagnificent: Time for another strongly worded letter.

No, sanctions. Worked with Iran, will work here. Russia's economy already sucks. Wouldn't take much.

Yes the 30% of energy the EU would lose has zero repercussions. There is a reason Germany and most of Europe hasn't brought up sanctions


It will definitely sting indeed, but I think people will feel a little bit ok with it knowing that they no longer are supporting a regime bent on rebuilding the Soviet Empire.
 
2014-03-13 07:48:42 PM
This was taken directly from rt.com


http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/


14:55 GMT:
Vladimir Putin has said Russia has now to focus on how to build relations with its partners in the EU, the US as well as in Ukraine, given the situation there. Speaking to the Russian Security Council, he said that despite the fact that Moscow is not the one to blame the conflict on, it still got involved.
"We can't ignore all the events across Ukraine, and Crimea - and all that has to do with this difficult problem, which occurred, and I want to stress that, not because of Russia, but it got involved in it anyway," Putin said. "Let's think together about how to conduct relations with our partners and friends in Ukraine and with our other partners in Europe and the United States."
 
2014-03-13 07:50:18 PM

MyRandomName: If only there was some pipeline to an abundant energy source which could increase energy exports from north America.. could call it Keystone maybe?


what would Keystone have to do with LNG?
 
2014-03-13 07:51:55 PM

The Bestest: MyRandomName: If only there was some pipeline to an abundant energy source which could increase energy exports from north America.. could call it Keystone maybe?

what would Keystone have to do with LNG?


"Drill, baby, drill."
 
2014-03-13 07:52:18 PM

MyRandomName: Communist_Manifesto: Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.

They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.

If only there was some pipeline to an abundant energy source which could increase energy exports from north America.. could call it Keystone maybe?


Nuclear power could work well. Unfortunately there are people out there who are alarmists who put their fear in front of progress. Its a shame, too, because a lot of the people that sell oil aren't very nice people.
 
2014-03-13 07:52:28 PM

The Bestest: hi13760: What Putin thinks of the USA.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a2a_1394529805

/ I don't thinks he gives a crap about sanctions.

Interesting video.. and he's right about a lot of it. Lost me at the end when he was talking about the A-bomb though. That was bullshiat (about Japan being in the throes of surrender).


I was thinking the same thing. Japan was ready to fight to the last man, the bombs stopped that.
 
2014-03-13 07:52:37 PM
Or else!

Or else what?

Exactly!
 
2014-03-13 07:54:12 PM

RoomFullOfMonkeys: Wow, the GOP shills are out in force today.


Still outnumbered greatly by the ignorant Obama does no wrong idiots.
 
2014-03-13 07:54:45 PM

MyRandomName: Communist_Manifesto: Joe USer: tinfoil-hat maggie: hutchkc: So the strongly worded letter is going out Tuesday morning, I'm sure Putin is quaking in his booties.

I guess Europe doesn't want Russian oil anymore.

Not after they start getting US natural gas.

They're gonna have to wait awhile for that one, the US currently doesn't export ANY liquefied natural gas like the Russians have. The first  liquefaction plant isn't even coming on line until next year. Gonna be a cold winter in Europe I guess.

If only there was some pipeline to an abundant energy source which could increase energy exports from north America.. could call it Keystone maybe?


Exporting Canadian tar sands oil isn't something the US should be getting into. If we're going to start up exports, it should be natural gas.
 
2014-03-13 07:56:50 PM

MyRandomName: RoomFullOfMonkeys: Wow, the GOP shills are out in force today.

Still outnumbered greatly by the ignorant Obama does no wrong idiots.


If only there was some pipeline to an abundant wrong source which could increase wrong exports from north America.. could call it Keystone maybe?


/you're cute.
 
2014-03-13 08:03:21 PM

BigNumber12: traylor: mraudacia: not enough people paying attention to whats been happening there... catch up and wake up.

http://www.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t">http://ww w.reddit.com/live/3rgnbke2rai6hen7ciytwcxadi?t=t

I'm not a redditter but I'm keeping an open tab in my browser with this thread for the last 3 or 4 weeks.


Ukrainian anti-aircraft missiles moved around near Odessa.

[pbs.twimg.com image 599x399]

Youtube video
Other video

Say what you will about its purpose, but God is military hardware beautiful.


Yeah, why do you think I posted all this?

/I just lit my cigarette
 
2014-03-13 08:07:46 PM

Mentat: Whatchoo Talkinbout: Mentat: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


How about: stop making idle threats like you're a John Wayne-esque tough guy?

Wait, so now we're complaining that Obama acting like is too much of a tough guy?
FTFY - Acting is the key word.

Ah, so Obama is a socialist fascist Kenyan Muslim atheist empty-suit naive warmongering community-organizing dictator who has pissed away our national credibility by acting like John Wayne on an apology tour.


Pretty much covers all the bases.
 
2014-03-13 08:12:32 PM
We get it. If Ronald Reagan appeared in the White House tomorrow, Putin would cry and apologize for his recent boorishness and Russian troops will pull out of Crimea in no time because blah blah.
 
2014-03-13 08:15:28 PM
Wonder what impact Putin shutting down some websites criticizing him will have on the Russian people?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/13/us-russia-internet-idUSBRE A2 C21L20140313
 
2014-03-13 08:17:27 PM
img.wonkette.com

Putin better prepare his anus.
 
2014-03-13 08:23:01 PM

BravadoGT: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?

There's nothing he really can do.   Obama pissed away any credibility the US had long before this.

they used to take us seriously


Dude, at least try SOME subtletly with your trolling. You may as well have just tried to claim the sky is orange and Saddam was responsible for 9/11.
 
2014-03-13 08:32:06 PM
Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.
 
2014-03-13 08:36:18 PM

Mentat: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


How about: stop making idle threats like you're a John Wayne-esque tough guy?

Wait, so now we're complaining that Obama is too much of a tough guy?


I think t e problem  is making  tough guy like threats when you are not a tough guy or even perceived as one.  If you cannot pull off tough go for crazy.

tammybruce.com
 
2014-03-13 08:52:19 PM

shower_in_my_socks: Russia totally didn't invade Georgia



Hey frkko the clown,

You think Georgia launching a large-scale military offensive against South Ossetia  is the same thing that happened to ukraine?

Totally the same thing.   Next up, you are going to tell us that 6 million people signing up for obamacare is unrelated to 6 million people losing their health insurance because of obamacare.
 
2014-03-13 08:55:02 PM

The Bestest: StopLurkListen: Pinner: Crimeariver will "vote" to join Russia.

Here's what's on the ballot Russia set up for Crimea:
Option A: Join Russia.
Option B: Leave Ukraine.

Yeah, that's a legitimate election right there

The referendum is illegal to begin with since any votes of secession must be taken by Ukraine as a whole, (not just the breakaway region) as per the Ukrainian constitution.. and that's just setting aside the "influence" the Russian military presence will have on the vote (and the steadfast refusal to allow UN monitors).


Let them have it.  Simply increase taxes on fuel through the pipelines by 800%.
 
2014-03-13 08:55:50 PM

vartian: What do you want him to do, subby? Threaten the Russians? Tell them we're going to send a few carrier groups over and start dusting off the nukes?


Obviously not but you remember when Obama tried to reset the US Russian relationship by giving into Russian concerns about things like missile defense? Well you reverse course plus.

You start up Misisle Defense in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Plus:

You put an Expeditionary Air Wing in Poland on a 6 month rotation basis. (cheaper than the whole station personal over there for two to four years with their families nonsense). You do the same with an Army Armor or Mech. Brigade in the Czech Republic.


Also on rotation you put a Marine Air Ground Task Force in one of the Baltic states and form a Baltic Sea Squadron with some Arleigh Burke ABM capable Destroyers. You stick a Special Force training Team and Patriot battery in Georgia

You pay for at least part of it by further reducing forces if not eliminating those in Germany Spain Italy etc.

You could ask our NATO "allies" to share the load but since most of them would get their panties in a wad don't count on it.

Of course this means rethinking your defense cuts and instead of cutting trigger pullers and equipment you start cutting back on civil servants, DoD and Service vice, deputy, assistant and under secretaries, Flag officers and all their staffs, Stateside DoD dependent schools could be done away etc.
 
2014-03-13 09:00:27 PM
a real president would allow terrorist to fly planes in to the world trade center
 
2014-03-13 09:00:35 PM

OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.


That has been suggested but:

1.  It will take years to get the infrastructure in place before it has any real effect (still do it anyway for later leverage)

2. It is an election year and any increase in fraking is sure to irritate the Dems climate change base.
 
2014-03-13 09:01:41 PM

OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.


Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
4.bp.blogspot.com

Obama:
31.media.tumblr.com
 
2014-03-13 09:07:58 PM

Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 453x306]

Obama:
[31.media.tumblr.com image 337x250]


True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.
 
2014-03-13 09:10:08 PM

hasty ambush: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

That has been suggested but:

1.  It will take years to get the infrastructure in place before it has any real effect (still do it anyway for later leverage)

2. It is an election year and any increase in fraking is sure to irritate the Dems climate change base.


1. We probably can put a big dent in Russia's natural gas sales with our current production.  We just need to get the stuff over there.

2. So what if it irritates a certain group Dems?  It's not like that crowd is going to run to the Republicans as a result.
 
2014-03-13 09:12:17 PM

OgreMagi: I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.


Yeah, none at all.  What a stupid thing to say even if you don't like him.  If you think this situation is even close to a schoolyard fight then you are a farking moran.  Who in your mind has backbone?
 
2014-03-13 09:18:13 PM

hasty ambush: 2. It is an election year and any increase in fraking is sure to irritate the Dems climate change base.


Fracking isn't so much a climate change concern as it is a local environment concern. It has little impact on national politics but is a core issue to affected local communities.
 
2014-03-13 09:22:13 PM

CynicalLA: OgreMagi: I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Yeah, none at all.  What a stupid thing to say even if you don't like him.  If you think this situation is even close to a schoolyard fight then you are a farking moran.  Who in your mind has backbone?


http://www.google.com/webhp?nord=1#nord=1&q=definition:+analogy
 
2014-03-13 09:22:27 PM

The Bestest: hasty ambush: 2. It is an election year and any increase in fraking is sure to irritate the Dems climate change base.

Fracking isn't so much a climate change concern as it is a local environment concern. It has little impact on national politics but is a core issue to affected local communities.



No one likes contaminated water.
 
2014-03-13 09:26:23 PM
It's good to see that when it's time to draw up sides, the Fark Independents are proud to stand with Putin.

Jesus Christ, you anti-American, theocratic, authoritarian, traitorous ideologues...

Country first, right?
 
2014-03-13 09:28:18 PM

OgreMagi: CynicalLA: OgreMagi: I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Yeah, none at all.  What a stupid thing to say even if you don't like him.  If you think this situation is even close to a schoolyard fight then you are a farking moran.  Who in your mind has backbone?

http://www.google.com/webhp?nord=1#nord=1&q=definition:+analogy


I think you have things turned around because we would be the bully in your analogy.  Who has the biggest and strongest military in the world?  Who has invaded more countries in the last two decades?
 
2014-03-13 09:29:19 PM

Epic Fap Session: It's good to see that when it's time to draw up sides, the Fark Independents are proud to stand with Putin.

Jesus Christ, you anti-American, theocratic, authoritarian, traitorous ideologues...

Country first, right?


I'm an independent and hope this situation results in Putin's political career getting destroyed.
 
2014-03-13 09:31:18 PM

RoomFullOfMonkeys: Wow, the GOP shills are out in force today.


WE WANT WAR! WE WANT WAR! WAR IS GOOD! WAR IS FUN! WE WANT WAR!
 
2014-03-13 09:55:15 PM
A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.
 
2014-03-13 10:33:02 PM

OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 453x306]

Obama:
[31.media.tumblr.com image 337x250]

True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.


Suggesting that Obama threaten to do something we all know he is unwilling to do is a losing strategy.  And if you think he's willing to do the things you suggest he threaten to do than you're delusional.  I wasn't making a statement on Obama or Putin as much as I was on your really bad idea.
 
2014-03-13 10:51:04 PM

Epic Fap Session: It's good to see that when it's time to draw up sides, the Fark Independents are proud to stand with Putin.

Jesus Christ, you anti-American, theocratic, authoritarian, traitorous ideologues...

Country first, right?


I certainly hope Obama comes out on top of this but Putin has been playing this game far longer than Obama. And Putin's past makes me believe that it's not going to be easy to make him back down.

Kerry is probably the best guy in the Obama cabinet to politically spar with Putin, at least experience-wise.  Obama should just let Kerry handle it at this point and I believe that's what is happening.  Obama just doesn't have the political experience that Kerry has.

That said, I'm just not sure anyone is going to convince Putin to back down, he seems really hard headed and this is a small part of a much larger plan for him.  If Putin yields to the Monday deadline I'm gonna have a whole new level of respect for John Kerry, but I don't expect him to.  Unless Putin can figure out a way to take two steps forward and only one step back.
 
2014-03-13 10:57:05 PM

hasty ambush: I think t e problem is making tough guy like threats when you are not a tough guy or even perceived as one. If you cannot pull off tough go for crazy.


Oh, you mean like draft dodger Dick Cheney!
 
2014-03-13 10:57:26 PM

Callous: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 453x306]

Obama:
[31.media.tumblr.com image 337x250]

True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Suggesting that Obama threaten to do something we all know he is unwilling to do is a losing strategy.  And if you think he's willing to do the things you suggest he threaten to do than you're delusional.  I wasn't making a statement on Obama or Putin as much as I was on your really bad idea.


I am well aware that Obama wouldn't do anything like that.  He doesn't have the spine nor the balls.
 
2014-03-13 10:58:26 PM

Callous: Epic Fap Session: It's good to see that when it's time to draw up sides, the Fark Independents are proud to stand with Putin.

Jesus Christ, you anti-American, theocratic, authoritarian, traitorous ideologues...

Country first, right?

I certainly hope Obama comes out on top of this but Putin has been playing this game far longer than Obama. And Putin's past makes me believe that it's not going to be easy to make him back down.

Kerry is probably the best guy in the Obama cabinet to politically spar with Putin, at least experience-wise.  Obama should just let Kerry handle it at this point and I believe that's what is happening.  Obama just doesn't have the political experience that Kerry has.

That said, I'm just not sure anyone is going to convince Putin to back down, he seems really hard headed and this is a small part of a much larger plan for him.  If Putin yields to the Monday deadline I'm gonna have a whole new level of respect for John Kerry, but I don't expect him to.  Unless Putin can figure out a way to take two steps forward and only one step back.


I think the only option is to send Biden over there and challenge Putin to a trans-Siberian Harley death race.  Winner gets Crimea and their pick of Russian rhythmic gymnasts.
 
2014-03-13 11:18:41 PM

Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodkaak.


pet peave
 
2014-03-13 11:27:26 PM

Gyrfalcon: RoomFullOfMonkeys: Wow, the GOP shills are out in force today.

WE WANT WAR! WE WANT WAR! WAR IS GOOD! WAR IS FUN! WE WANT WAR!


Sure I'm in haven't had a good one for awhile and invading Iraq and Afghanistan totes justified and worked out so well but Russia moves troops to Crimia I believe the article said they are allowed a troop level of 25,000 in Crimea. That's bad and Putin'shiatler.

/Whatever...
 
2014-03-13 11:46:33 PM

tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: RoomFullOfMonkeys: Wow, the GOP shills are out in force today.

WE WANT WAR! WE WANT WAR! WAR IS GOOD! WAR IS FUN! WE WANT WAR!

Sure I'm in haven't had a good one for awhile and invading Iraq and Afghanistan totes justified and worked out so well but Russia moves troops to Crimia I believe the article said they are allowed a troop level of 25,000 in Crimea. That's bad and Putin'shiatler.

/Whatever...


We have GOT to get on Drew's case about that goddamn filter...
 
2014-03-13 11:53:44 PM

Gyrfalcon: tinfoil-hat maggie: Gyrfalcon: RoomFullOfMonkeys: Wow, the GOP shills are out in force today.

WE WANT WAR! WE WANT WAR! WAR IS GOOD! WAR IS FUN! WE WANT WAR!

Sure I'm in haven't had a good one for awhile and invading Iraq and Afghanistan totes justified and worked out so well but Russia moves troops to Crimia I believe the article said they are allowed a troop level of 25,000 in Crimea. That's bad and Putin'shiatler.

/Whatever...

We have GOT to get on Drew's case about that goddamn filter...


LoL, I think it perfect. heh.
 
2014-03-13 11:58:19 PM
And then God forbid, Wednesday . . .

i.imgur.com
 
2014-03-14 12:47:01 AM

Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.


So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?
 
2014-03-14 01:30:13 AM

OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 453x306]

Obama:
[31.media.tumblr.com image 337x250]

True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Suggesting that Obama threaten to do something we all know he is unwilling to do is a losing strategy.  And if you think he's willing to do the things you suggest he threaten to do than you're delusional.  I wasn't making a statement on Obama or Putin as much as I was on your really bad idea.

I am well aware that Obama wouldn't do anything like that.  He doesn't have the spine nor the balls.


You sound like a child and should be ashamed. It's pathetic to hear a grown man talk about who's tough or not. Think a little before you say stupid things.
 
2014-03-14 02:28:07 AM
It's really interesting listening to all the Putin slurpers in here.

Honestly, you slurpers simply threw Ronald Reagan's Evil Empire speech in the toilet for your Dear Strong KGB Leader??
 
2014-03-14 02:50:03 AM

CynicalLA: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 453x306]

Obama:
[31.media.tumblr.com image 337x250]

True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Suggesting that Obama threaten to do something we all know he is unwilling to do is a losing strategy.  And if you think he's willing to do the things you suggest he threaten to do than you're delusional.  I wasn't making a statement on Obama or Putin as much as I was on your really bad idea.

I am well aware that Obama wouldn't do anything like that.  He doesn't have the spine nor the balls.

You sound like a child and should be ashamed. It's pathetic to hear a grown man talk about who's tough or not. Think a little before you say stupid things.


This has nothing to do with physical toughness.  It's about standing by principals and treaty obligations.  We promised to help the Ukraine defend their borders.  I prefer we do it through diplomacy and economic sanctions because another war is exactly what we do not need.  That's the spine and balls Obama lacks.  He's going to turn his back on the Ukraine, and we will lose even more credibility.  And we don't have a whole hell of a lot of that left in the bank.  Russia has gone back to their old habits of grabbing whatever they want from their neighbors.  They will continue to so if the rest of the world only writes sternly worded letters.
 
2014-03-14 03:00:11 AM

OgreMagi: CynicalLA: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 453x306]

Obama:
[31.media.tumblr.com image 337x250]

True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Suggesting that Obama threaten to do something we all know he is unwilling to do is a losing strategy.  And if you think he's willing to do the things you suggest he threaten to do than you're delusional.  I wasn't making a statement on Obama or Putin as much as I was on your really bad idea.

I am well aware that Obama wouldn't do anything like that.  He doesn't have the spine nor the balls.

You sound like a child and should be ashamed. It's pathetic to hear a grown man talk about who's tough or not. Think a little before you say stupid things.

This has nothing to do with physical toughness.  It's about standing by principals and treaty obligations.  We promised to help the Ukraine defend their borders.  I prefer we do it through diplomacy and economic sanctions because another war is exactly what we do not need.  That's the spine and balls Obama lacks.  He's going to turn his back on the Ukraine, and we will lose even more credibility.  And we don't have a whole hell of a lot of that left in the bank.  Russia has gone back to their old habits of grabbing whatever they want from their neighbors.  They will continue to so if the rest of the world only writes sternly worded letters.


So despite the fact that he is trying to go at Russia using diplomacy and economic sanctions, Obama is still somehow not doing those things? Do conservatives have any logic or rational behind the stupid ass shiat they say? Are you some kind of fortune teller? A Ukrainian Gypsy perhaps?

/The US ain't going to be the ones that don't follow through, the whole natural gas thing means the Europeans will probably not pressure Russia. I guarantee the US will impose sanctions and asset freezes while Europe backs down.
 
2014-03-14 03:14:39 AM

TheJoe03: OgreMagi: CynicalLA: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 453x306]

Obama:
[31.media.tumblr.com image 337x250]

True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Suggesting that Obama threaten to do something we all know he is unwilling to do is a losing strategy.  And if you think he's willing to do the things you suggest he threaten to do than you're delusional.  I wasn't making a statement on Obama or Putin as much as I was on your really bad idea.

I am well aware that Obama wouldn't do anything like that.  He doesn't have the spine nor the balls.

You sound like a child and should be ashamed. It's pathetic to hear a grown man talk about who's tough or not. Think a little before you say stupid things.

This has nothing to do with physical toughness.  It's about standing by principals and treaty obligations.  We promised to help the Ukraine defend their borders.  I prefer we do it through diplomacy and economic sanctions because another war is exactly what we do not need.  That's the spine and balls Obama lacks.  He's going to turn his back on the Ukraine, and we will lose even more credibility.  And we don't have a whole hell of a lot of that left in the bank.  Russia has gone back to their old habits of grabbing whatever they want from their neighbors.  They will continue to so if the rest of the world only writes sternly worded letters.

So despite the fact that he is trying to go at Russia using diplomacy and economic sanctions, Obama is still somehow not doing those things? Do conservatives have any logic or rational behind the stupid ass shiat they say? Are you som ...


Sure, he's using diplomacy and the threat of economic sanctions. But he has shown he's not willing to follow through.

And I'm not a conservative.
 
2014-03-14 03:19:30 AM
Keep slurping that Poot.
 
2014-03-14 03:22:20 AM

Kittypie070: Keep slurping that Poot.


[stomping feet]

WE WANT WAR!

[clapping rhythmically]

WE WANT WAR!

[altogether now!]

WE WANT WAR!

[can I hear you say it!]

WE WANT WAR!

[one more time!]

WE WANT WAR!

[when do we want it?]

RIGHT NOW!

[why?]

SO WE CAN BLAME IT ON THAT BLAH MAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE!
 
2014-03-14 04:14:01 AM

OgreMagi: TheJoe03: OgreMagi: CynicalLA: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Callous: OgreMagi: Here's how you get Putin to back off.

Obama to Putin:  I will order the EPA to approve all the pending Fraking permits and requested Congress to create a tax incentive for the natural gas companies to massively increase sales in Eastern Europe.  Your move, biatch.

Putin to Obama: Go ahead, do it smartass!!
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 453x306]

Obama:
[31.media.tumblr.com image 337x250]

True.  I don't believe Obama has any backbone, so is incapable of standing up to the schoolyard bully.

Suggesting that Obama threaten to do something we all know he is unwilling to do is a losing strategy.  And if you think he's willing to do the things you suggest he threaten to do than you're delusional.  I wasn't making a statement on Obama or Putin as much as I was on your really bad idea.

I am well aware that Obama wouldn't do anything like that.  He doesn't have the spine nor the balls.

You sound like a child and should be ashamed. It's pathetic to hear a grown man talk about who's tough or not. Think a little before you say stupid things.

This has nothing to do with physical toughness.  It's about standing by principals and treaty obligations.  We promised to help the Ukraine defend their borders.  I prefer we do it through diplomacy and economic sanctions because another war is exactly what we do not need.  That's the spine and balls Obama lacks.  He's going to turn his back on the Ukraine, and we will lose even more credibility.  And we don't have a whole hell of a lot of that left in the bank.  Russia has gone back to their old habits of grabbing whatever they want from their neighbors.  They will continue to so if the rest of the world only writes sternly worded letters.

So despite the fact that he is trying to go at Russia using diplomacy and economic sanctions, Obama is still somehow not doing those things? Do conservatives have any logic or rational behind the stupid ass shiat they say? Are you som ...

Sure, he's using diplomacy and the threat of economic sanctions. But he has shown he's not willing to follow through.

And I'm not a conservative.


He's not shown that based on what exactly? You can also say you're not conservative all you want, but I've been on this site long enough to know of your right wing libertarian posting history. To me that's better than being a social conservative but still, you aren't saying what your saying based on any kind of neutral viewpoint. I have no issue criticizing Obama, I honestly have issues with most partisan Democrats and progressives on this site because they can't stand any criticism of him, but I fail to see how you can criticize Obama on this issue and people like you have yet to give a valid reason. Your reason is basically that you can predict he won't follow through but you have nothing to back it up.
 
2014-03-14 04:35:32 AM
Yeah, I know. I'm engaging in simple-minded one-liner smartassery.

But I really don't give a fart in the Sahara.

If some of you right wingers hadn't gone batshiat screaming hysterical over arugula, waah police state cuz I can't mail perfooms, Wharr Birf Certificit, Hawai'i Was Not Really A State Back Then, Dijon mustard, We Now Denounce the Heritage Foundation Death Panel Health Plan We Originated, and binder clips, I might be a bit more inclined to listen to actual semi-logical criticisms of Messiah Hitlerbama.
 
2014-03-14 06:08:22 AM

The Bestest: hasty ambush: 2. It is an election year and any increase in fraking is sure to irritate the Dems climate change base.

Fracking isn't so much a climate change concern as it is a local environment concern. It has little impact on national politics but is a core issue to affected local communities.


really?



Fracking, Methane, and Global Warming
 
2014-03-14 06:15:35 AM

TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?


Not unless he wants his butt kicked.
 
2014-03-14 09:16:32 AM
But there is nothing in the article about what exactly will happen.

"There is going to be accountability" does not says anything actually. Putin have said quite clearly: there is to be a referendum. If the majority of people will vote in favor of joining Russia, Crimea will join Russia. It's decided. The corresponding laws have already went through Russia's parliament. There is honestly no going back even if Putin wanted - that is, there is no going back without huuuuuuuge loss of face for Russia, Putin, current Russian power system and stability, or at least that's how it's seen from inside Russia. And Putin clearly doesn't want.

It's not a question of calling Putin on his bluff. Putin doesn't bluff here; he can't afford to bluff. Lavrov is not going to say to Kerry "we were just jocking!"; he can't. Crimea is going to Russia, or stays independent, or, in case of not enough people voting to have a quorum, which I don't believe in, the status quo remains; but it doesn't depend on Putin, it depends on how much the people of Crimea and people who count the votes (elected Crimean officials) want to join Russia or independence.

My bet would be on independence, but right now there is a hard work going on for bribing the Crimea. For example, Crimean students are to be allowed into all prestigious Russian universities without exams. As you can imagine, people of Russia proper have a problem with it, but not enough to do anything or even to say much.

I shudder even to imagine how much Russian money would be stolen by Crimean elected cleptocrats. Yanukovich's mansion? Ha-ha, pathetic hovel compared to what Crimeans would build.

The West should behave as if it's already decided - decide their own response - not "in case", but "it's decided, it's over, Crimea is Russian and that's what we are doing about it", not trying to "set the line", because all the lines are crossed already.
 
2014-03-14 10:26:43 AM

Deep Contact: TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?

Not unless he wants his butt kicked.


Huh? What are you saying, that Russia will attack the US militarily if we impose economic sanctions? Or start some sort of proxy war? Do you really believe Russia has the wherewithal to do so?
 
2014-03-14 11:10:48 AM

myrrh: Deep Contact: TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?

Not unless he wants his butt kicked.

Huh? What are you saying, that Russia will attack the US militarily if we impose economic sanctions? Or start some sort of proxy war? Do you really believe Russia has the wherewithal to do so?


Unfortunately yes.
 
2014-03-14 12:25:06 PM

Deep Contact: myrrh: Deep Contact: TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?

Not unless he wants his butt kicked.

Huh? What are you saying, that Russia will attack the US militarily if we impose economic sanctions? Or start some sort of proxy war? Do you really believe Russia has the wherewithal to do so?

Unfortunately yes.


Lol, wow.
 
2014-03-14 01:32:41 PM

TheJoe03: Deep Contact: myrrh: Deep Contact: TheJoe03: Deep Contact: A good, another line in the sand. Putin must be shaking in his Vodka.

So you're saying Obama isn't going to impose sanctions and asset freezes?

Not unless he wants his butt kicked.

Huh? What are you saying, that Russia will attack the US militarily if we impose economic sanctions? Or start some sort of proxy war? Do you really believe Russia has the wherewithal to do so?

Unfortunately yes.

Lol, wow.


That's fkn hilarious!
 
2014-03-14 01:49:03 PM

Deep Contact: Unfortunately yes.


Do you work for a think tank, by chance?
 
2014-03-14 10:43:46 PM
It's weird the plight, injustice, and oppression the GOP chicken hawks choose to get worked up over.  They're all over the situation in Ukraine but dont seem to give a crap about the violence in Venezuela, or Mexico, or Darfur, or Palestine, or N. Korea, etc.
 
2014-03-15 06:41:50 AM

Frederick: It's weird the plight, injustice, and oppression the GOP chicken hawks choose to get worked up over.  They're all over the situation in Ukraine but dont seem to give a crap about the violence in Venezuela, or Mexico, or Darfur, or Palestine, or N. Korea, etc.


There is a bit of that, but really a potential conflict involving Russia, and a civil war in a European country, is a more significant event than another revolution in Venezuela, or continuing violence in Israel, or continuing craziness from North Korea. This at least has the potential for a flashpoint, a spark could set the world ablaze. We've all seen films, we know how it goes without Jack Ryan to save the day.

You won't get that from Venezuela.
 
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