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2014-03-13 04:55:41 PM
I wonder how long till till the big box stores do like the coal mines and start paying in scrip.
 
2014-03-13 04:55:41 PM
Good
 
2014-03-13 04:57:31 PM
Subby enslaved a bunch of capital letters.
 
2014-03-13 04:58:05 PM
img.fark.netMcDonalds. The new company store.
 
2014-03-13 04:58:22 PM
The taxpayer should sue mcdonalds for subsidizing their profits. They pay their employees too little to live and make us foot the rest of the bill.
 
2014-03-13 04:58:26 PM

onzmadi: Good

 
2014-03-13 04:59:07 PM
Why don't McDonalds workers just work harder if they are looking for handouts?
 
2014-03-13 05:01:15 PM
This wouldn't happen at McDowells. Why, you can go from mop boy to king of Zamunda!
 
2014-03-13 05:02:34 PM
"If you got time to biatch, you got time to work."
 
2014-03-13 05:03:18 PM
Good on them, but won't McDonald's be able to pull "It wasn't us, it was the franchise owners.  Bad franchise owners, shame on you!" routine?
 
2014-03-13 05:04:33 PM

Headso: The taxpayer should sue mcdonalds for subsidizing their profits. They pay their employees too little to live and make us foot the rest of the bill.


THIS.  EIC is a total farce - the US taxpayer subsidizing wages for corporations.
 
2014-03-13 05:06:34 PM
Federal Government should sue

Headso: The taxpayer should sue mcdonalds for subsidizing their profits. They pay their employees too little to live and make us foot the rest of the bill.


So much this!
 
2014-03-13 05:07:38 PM

Headso: The taxpayer should sue mcdonalds for subsidizing their profits. They pay their employees too little to live and make us foot the rest of the bill.


Likewise for Wal-Mart -_-
 
2014-03-13 05:09:55 PM
Deja vu. Doesn't this suit get filed about once every ten years or so?
 
2014-03-13 05:12:38 PM

Oldiron_79: I wonder how long till till the big box stores do like the coal mines and start paying in scrip.


You say this like they weren't already doing it other places.

Walmart got busted for paying part of wages in scrip barely more than 5 years ago. Lets just keep on eroding those worker rights, we can be mexico 2.0 with the tea party in charge.
 
2014-03-13 05:12:45 PM
I have it on good authority that most McDonald's employees own refrigerators. Why the class warfare?


/if they didn't want their wages stolen, they should have started their own burger joint with a loan from their parents
 
2014-03-13 05:13:47 PM
If the employees would just follow the budget McDonald's set, they'd be okay.
 
2014-03-13 05:15:44 PM

Bugerz: Oldiron_79: I wonder how long till till the big box stores do like the coal mines and start paying in scrip.

You say this like they weren't already doing it other places.

Walmart got busted for paying part of wages in scrip barely more than 5 years ago. Lets just keep on eroding those worker rights, we can be mexico 2.0 with the tea party in charge.


They also already get a good portion of their worker's wages back when they turn around after getting off the clock and get their groceries and other sundry items?

And don't they offer employees a 15% discount?

It's a farce.
 
2014-03-13 05:19:56 PM
Why does subby hate job creators?
 
2014-03-13 05:20:43 PM
I'm Lovin it?
 
2014-03-13 05:23:55 PM
I'm not one to think people are "entitled" to jobs or that people working at McDonalds should be able to support a family from flipping burgers. I don't agree with the hippie types who think that "big evil corporations are making serfs" and all that utter nonsense those lazy commie types spew. However if people gave McDonalds labor and McDonalds failed to uphold their end of the deal, by all means, sue the living shiat out of them. That's how it's supposed to work.
 
2014-03-13 05:30:25 PM
In a lot of businesses where employers chisel their employees, the latter sometimes try to get even with the former by stealing some of their merchandise.  This isn't an option at McDonalds, of course.
 
2014-03-13 05:30:27 PM
Raising the minimum wage doesn't change anything. Sign a bill into law that forces corporations to profit share a reasonable percentage of their earnings with their entire workforce.
 
2014-03-13 05:30:51 PM
crooksandliars.com
"If you're poor, stop being poor."


Duh. Jeez people, you act like most of the jobs that are available to people in this country pay minimum wage with little benefits and where you are subjected to companies sacrificing employee compensation for billions of profits at the expense of the taxpayer.
 
2014-03-13 05:36:36 PM

meat0918: Good on them, but won't McDonald's be able to pull "It wasn't us, it was the franchise owners.  Bad franchise owners, shame on you!" routine?


This?
 
2014-03-13 05:37:35 PM
 
2014-03-13 05:57:44 PM

That Guy Jeff: I'm not one to think people are "entitled" to jobs or that people working at McDonalds should be able to support a family from flipping burgers. I don't agree with the hippie types who think that "big evil corporations are making serfs" and all that utter nonsense those lazy commie types spew. However if people gave McDonalds labor and McDonalds failed to uphold their end of the deal, by all means, sue the living shiat out of them. That's how it's supposed to work.


Why not? Why do you believe that the guy who makes your food is less entitled to a living than you are?
 
2014-03-13 05:58:30 PM
Actually, I think wage slavery is exactly what it used to be. Employers have been screwing over their employees as long as there have been jobs.
 
2014-03-13 06:00:00 PM

blacksharpiemarker: Raising the minimum wage doesn't change anything. Sign a bill into law that forces corporations to profit share a reasonable percentage of their earnings with their entire workforce.


Actually, raising the minimum wage would do exactly that.
 
2014-03-13 06:03:45 PM
CSB:

My first job out of high school (7-11) did the same shiat. The manager would claim that this that and something else wasn't done and make you stay overtime... sometimes an hour or two past. After about 4 months of this we were scheduled to go to the next city over for a meeting with the District Manager (and the Regional Manager, though we didn't know that at the time). The meeting was almost over and they asked if we had any questions. One of my coworkers stands up and asks when she'll get paid for all this unpaid overtime. Their jaws dropped and we told them what had been going on. The RN gave us his personal fax number and told us to do up a guesstimate of hours we hadn't been paid for (he even told us to round up if we were unsure) and to fax it to him personally and he'd make sure we got paid.

Unfortunately this happened on day 1 of my days off. The District Manager went to our store and wrote up our manager who flipped out and leaned on the other people who were at the meeting. They decided it'd be a good idea to tell her it was me that blabbed about the unpaid OT. The last 2 months working at that place... ugh... I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. To the Regional Manager's credit he did make sure we got paid and he contacted us to apologize again that this happened to us and to personally contact him if our manager tried this shiat again.
 
2014-03-13 06:06:32 PM
Negative Quality for Corporate wage-slaves will get you a few Karma points
 
2014-03-13 06:07:13 PM

AgentKGB: CSB:

My first job out of high school (7-11) did the same shiat. The manager would claim that this that and something else wasn't done and make you stay overtime... sometimes an hour or two past. After about 4 months of this we were scheduled to go to the next city over for a meeting with the District Manager (and the Regional Manager, though we didn't know that at the time). The meeting was almost over and they asked if we had any questions. One of my coworkers stands up and asks when she'll get paid for all this unpaid overtime. Their jaws dropped and we told them what had been going on. The RN gave us his personal fax number and told us to do up a guesstimate of hours we hadn't been paid for (he even told us to round up if we were unsure) and to fax it to him personally and he'd make sure we got paid.

Unfortunately this happened on day 1 of my days off. The District Manager went to our store and wrote up our manager who flipped out and leaned on the other people who were at the meeting. They decided it'd be a good idea to tell her it was me that blabbed about the unpaid OT. The last 2 months working at that place... ugh... I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. To the Regional Manager's credit he did make sure we got paid and he contacted us to apologize again that this happened to us and to personally contact him if our manager tried this shiat again.


I'm surprised that he allowed the manager to keep his job. I sure as hell wouldn't have.
 
2014-03-13 06:07:31 PM
McDonald's is one of the major lobbyists for keeping the minimum wage low.

http://www.eatdrinkpolitics.com/2013/11/26/how-low-can-mcdonalds-go- to -disrespect-its-workers/

And the scummy, sleazy politicians just love those sweet, sweet dollars they get for accepting the campaign contributions bribes from these lobbyists. Year, these wealthy, suited bastards are working for you. Right,

Maybe if they didn't throw so much money to the politicians they would be able to pay a decent wage.
 
2014-03-13 06:13:35 PM

Oldiron_79: I wonder how long till till the big box stores do like the coal mines and start paying in scrip. BITCOIN.

 
2014-03-13 06:15:19 PM

AgentKGB: CSB:

My first job out of high school (7-11) did the same shiat. The manager would claim that this that and something else wasn't done and make you stay overtime... sometimes an hour or two past. After about 4 months of this we were scheduled to go to the next city over for a meeting with the District Manager (and the Regional Manager, though we didn't know that at the time). The meeting was almost over and they asked if we had any questions. One of my coworkers stands up and asks when she'll get paid for all this unpaid overtime. Their jaws dropped and we told them what had been going on. The RN gave us his personal fax number and told us to do up a guesstimate of hours we hadn't been paid for (he even told us to round up if we were unsure) and to fax it to him personally and he'd make sure we got paid.

Unfortunately this happened on day 1 of my days off. The District Manager went to our store and wrote up our manager who flipped out and leaned on the other people who were at the meeting. They decided it'd be a good idea to tell her it was me that blabbed about the unpaid OT. The last 2 months working at that place... ugh... I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. To the Regional Manager's credit he did make sure we got paid and he contacted us to apologize again that this happened to us and to personally contact him if our manager tried this shiat again.


Even assuming this was years ago, laws haven't changed that much ... this sounds like a textbook case of retaliation: "The last 2 months working at that place... ugh... I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy." Not that anything can be done for you now, but if anyone else has this kind of experience: Make noise. Document. Get witnesses.

That's why the Regional Manager wanted everyone to 'round up' their unpaid overtime. It would be orders of magnitude worse for the company if they didn't put in more than good faith effort to correct the problem. Retaliating? Even worse.
 
2014-03-13 06:26:08 PM

AgentKGB: CSB:

My first job out of high school (7-11) did the same shiat. The manager would claim that this that and something else wasn't done and make you stay overtime... sometimes an hour or two past. After about 4 months of this we were scheduled to go to the next city over for a meeting with the District Manager (and the Regional Manager, though we didn't know that at the time). The meeting was almost over and they asked if we had any questions. One of my coworkers stands up and asks when she'll get paid for all this unpaid overtime. Their jaws dropped and we told them what had been going on. The RN gave us his personal fax number and told us to do up a guesstimate of hours we hadn't been paid for (he even told us to round up if we were unsure) and to fax it to him personally and he'd make sure we got paid.

Unfortunately this happened on day 1 of my days off. The District Manager went to our store and wrote up our manager who flipped out and leaned on the other people who were at the meeting. They decided it'd be a good idea to tell her it was me that blabbed about the unpaid OT. The last 2 months working at that place... ugh... I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemy. To the Regional Manager's credit he did make sure we got paid and he contacted us to apologize again that this happened to us and to personally contact him if our manager tried this shiat again.


Worked for a local burger chain back in the day. When the manager told me to clock out, I did. When the manager then tried to give me a task, I asked him, "Shouldn't I clock back in before I do that?" He acted shocked. So did I. So I gave him the choice: clock back in to work, or leave, since I was clocked out?

/Employers hate, HATE employees who can think.
 
2014-03-13 06:34:07 PM
Not only what TFA talks about, in some places they are paid via a debit card that charges for use. Thus taking away even more of their wages.
 
2014-03-13 06:36:49 PM

LoneWolf343: That Guy Jeff: I'm not one to think people are "entitled" to jobs or that people working at McDonalds should be able to support a family from flipping burgers. I don't agree with the hippie types who think that "big evil corporations are making serfs" and all that utter nonsense those lazy commie types spew. However if people gave McDonalds labor and McDonalds failed to uphold their end of the deal, by all means, sue the living shiat out of them. That's how it's supposed to work.

Why not? Why do you believe that the guy who makes your food is less entitled to a living than you are?


No one is entitled to a living. What a stupid thing to say. You think just because you squeezed out of your mom's cooch that somehow everyone else is required to give you things? That's insane. A job is just selling your labor and skills. Your labor and skills are like any other goods and services. I wouldn't pay $150 for a haircut, I wouldn't pay $20 for a hamburger, and I wouldn't pay $15 an hour for someone to flip pieces of meat on a grill. It's just plain not worth that.  Only an idiot would start popping out mouths to feed while having no skills and labor worth enough to feed them.

Now, my skills and labor are worth a hell of a lot more than Mr. Burger Flipper. I CAN afford to raise a family. Am I entitled to that money or job? Hell no I'm not entitled to it. I *earn* it. If they wanted to fire me tomorrow, well, they are as free to stop buying my services as I am to stop providing them. As long as we both stick to the agreement we made when I started, there's no problem.

Which is why I'm OK with the lawsuit, because apparently McDonald's ISN'T sticking to their end of the agreement. So sue away burger flippers. Even if your labor's only worth a few bucks an hour, you still earned that few bucks an hour and they better give it you.
 
2014-03-13 06:41:04 PM

That Guy Jeff: I'm not one to think people are "entitled" to jobs or that people working at McDonalds should be able to support a family from flipping burgers.


Were things really bad in the past when those people were "entitled" to it?
 
2014-03-13 06:43:28 PM
DownDaRiver: Not only what TFA talks about, in some places they are paid via a debit card that charges for use. Thus taking away even more of their wages.

I've seen those before. I'd quit if my job switched to those and I'm making far above burger flipper wages.
 
2014-03-13 06:46:53 PM

Headso: The taxpayer should sue mcdonalds for subsidizing their profits. They pay their employees too little to live and make us foot the rest of the bill.


McDonald's isn't a career. If someone is trying to support their life or someone else's by working fast food, they've severely farked up in life, or life just shat on them.

You cannot work a job like that, or paper delivery or barista and expect to make ends meet consistently.
 
2014-03-13 06:50:45 PM

That Guy Jeff: LoneWolf343: That Guy Jeff: I'm not one to think people are "entitled" to jobs or that people working at McDonalds should be able to support a family from flipping burgers. I don't agree with the hippie types who think that "big evil corporations are making serfs" and all that utter nonsense those lazy commie types spew. However if people gave McDonalds labor and McDonalds failed to uphold their end of the deal, by all means, sue the living shiat out of them. That's how it's supposed to work.

Why not? Why do you believe that the guy who makes your food is less entitled to a living than you are?

No one is entitled to a living. What a stupid thing to say. You think just because you squeezed out of your mom's cooch that somehow everyone else is required to give you things? That's insane. A job is just selling your labor and skills. Your labor and skills are like any other goods and services. I wouldn't pay $150 for a haircut, I wouldn't pay $20 for a hamburger, and I wouldn't pay $15 an hour for someone to flip pieces of meat on a grill. It's just plain not worth that.  Only an idiot would start popping out mouths to feed while having no skills and labor worth enough to feed them.

Now, my skills and labor are worth a hell of a lot more than Mr. Burger Flipper. I CAN afford to raise a family. Am I entitled to that money or job? Hell no I'm not entitled to it. I *earn* it. If they wanted to fire me tomorrow, well, they are as free to stop buying my services as I am to stop providing them. As long as we both stick to the agreement we made when I started, there's no problem.


Of course they are, you precious snowflake. You're just amazing, and nobody anywhere is anything unlike you, has ever had a situation different than you, or ever been effectively coerced into accepting a contract because there was no other option. Ever.

You remind me of this comic.

angryflower.com
 
2014-03-13 06:52:26 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Headso: The taxpayer should sue mcdonalds for subsidizing their profits. They pay their employees too little to live and make us foot the rest of the bill.

McDonald's isn't a career. If someone is trying to support their life or someone else's by working fast food, they've severely farked up in life, or life just shat on them.

You cannot work a job like that, or paper delivery or barista and expect to make ends meet consistently.


So those jobs don't need done, then? Or are you asserting that there are other jobs out there if people would just work them instead?
 
2014-03-13 06:53:42 PM

Pitabred: Of course they are, you precious snowflake. You're just amazing, and nobody anywhere is anything unlike you, has ever had a situation different than you, or ever been effectively coerced into accepting a contract because there was no other option. Ever.


What does that have to do with people being owed anything by life?

The only guarantee in life is death. Everything else is up in the air.

And the idea that there is 'no other option ever' is bullshiat. There's always a choice, but people always choose the path of least resistance.

Come back when you've been living out of your car, PTSD is farking up your daily life and you have to 'make hard choices'.
 
2014-03-13 06:56:04 PM

Pitabred: So those jobs don't need done, then? Or are you asserting that there are other jobs out there if people would just work them instead?


I'm saying that expecting those jobs to pay your way through life is ignorance. I'm not saying 'they don't need to be done', stop putting words in my mouth.

I'm saying they're for teenagers, people who just want to work part time etc.

An adult trying to support a family with a mcdonald's 'career'?

Sometimes there is no other career? Life's not fair. The idea that people like yourself and others who tout that 'all jobs and all people and EVERYTHING should be fair because EMPATHY said so" are quite misled.
 
2014-03-13 07:07:58 PM

Capo Del Bandito: Sometimes there is no other career? Life's not fair.


So go die in a gutter, you filth, you should have been born better. Amirite?

No, fark you. Every single full time job should pay enough to live, no exceptions.
 
2014-03-13 07:08:21 PM

Pitabred: That Guy Jeff: LoneWolf343: That Guy Jeff: I'm not one to think people are "entitled" to jobs or that people working at McDonalds should be able to support a family from flipping burgers. I don't agree with the hippie types who think that "big evil corporations are making serfs" and all that utter nonsense those lazy commie types spew. However if people gave McDonalds labor and McDonalds failed to uphold their end of the deal, by all means, sue the living shiat out of them. That's how it's supposed to work.

Why not? Why do you believe that the guy who makes your food is less entitled to a living than you are?

No one is entitled to a living. What a stupid thing to say. You think just because you squeezed out of your mom's cooch that somehow everyone else is required to give you things? That's insane. A job is just selling your labor and skills. Your labor and skills are like any other goods and services. I wouldn't pay $150 for a haircut, I wouldn't pay $20 for a hamburger, and I wouldn't pay $15 an hour for someone to flip pieces of meat on a grill. It's just plain not worth that.  Only an idiot would start popping out mouths to feed while having no skills and labor worth enough to feed them.

Now, my skills and labor are worth a hell of a lot more than Mr. Burger Flipper. I CAN afford to raise a family. Am I entitled to that money or job? Hell no I'm not entitled to it. I *earn* it. If they wanted to fire me tomorrow, well, they are as free to stop buying my services as I am to stop providing them. As long as we both stick to the agreement we made when I started, there's no problem.

Of course they are, you precious snowflake. You're just amazing, and nobody anywhere is anything unlike you, has ever had a situation different than you, or ever been effectively coerced into accepting a contract because there was no other option. Ever.

You remind me of this comic.

[angryflower.com image 790x416]


Hmm. Using "snowflake" to describe "being exactly the same as everyone else". An interesting choice of words, and you completely avoided the idea that no one is entitled to anything.
 
2014-03-13 07:09:21 PM
Be... like the BEE!

img1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2014-03-13 07:11:14 PM

LasersHurt: No, fark you. Every single full time job should pay enough to live, no exceptions.


Except it's *NOT* a full time job. It's a CSR job, a clerk job, that's it. It's not a 'career' or a full time job. They specifically limit the hours they give you so you can't get full time.

Have you ever clerked before? You should try it sometime.

It's a job for college folks, etc etc.

If they can't get a job that is full time, that pays them enough to take care of themselves/their family, that sucks. Deal with it. Learn to accept that that it's 1st world problems and your biatching and moaning is adorable to large chunk of the world.
 
2014-03-13 07:16:40 PM

Capo Del Bandito: LasersHurt: No, fark you. Every single full time job should pay enough to live, no exceptions.

Except it's *NOT* a full time job. It's a CSR job, a clerk job, that's it. It's not a 'career' or a full time job. They specifically limit the hours they give you so you can't get full time.

Have you ever clerked before? You should try it sometime.

It's a job for college folks, etc etc.

If they can't get a job that is full time, that pays them enough to take care of themselves/their family, that sucks. Deal with it. Learn to accept that that it's 1st world problems and your biatching and moaning is adorable to large chunk of the world.


How, precisely, do you want people to "deal with it"? And how the hell did you get here when the article is about outright screwing people?

Yes, thinking everyone should be able to comfortably live IS a first world idea, but since we're supposed to be the king of the castle there I kind of feel like it's a national shame that we have so much poverty. Sorry you're okay with it, but I find that to be a morally bereft position.
 
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