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(SacBee)   State officials in California are already the highest paid in the nation, so naturally they're about to vote themselves another pay raise   (sacbee.com) divider line 63
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2014-03-13 02:42:29 PM
They make ~ $95,000 for full time work, Not exactly extravagant pay in California.
 
2014-03-13 03:15:28 PM
There's no indication the commission will make any changes this year. Thomas Dalzell, chair of the commission, said he would like to defer any commitment until a follow-up meeting in May or June.

Proposition 112, passed by voters in June 1990, established the Commission to set the salaries and medical, dental, insurance and other similar benefits of Members of the Legislature and the State's other elected officials.

For lawmakers to be eligible for a raise, California must have a surplus. That looks to be the case this year, although the state won't certify its coffers until May.

So. A Commission that's been in place since 1990 (approved by voters) determines salaries, it's not the lawmakers voting themselves a raise. There's no indication they'll actually make any changes this year. And lawmakers can only get a raise if there's a budget surplus, which there likely is, even though blah blah blah tax-and-spend liberals blah blah blah Governor Moonbeam.
 
2014-03-13 03:32:46 PM
If you could give yourself a raise, wouldn't you?
 
2014-03-13 03:42:46 PM

Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work


That actually seems low, considering that we're talking about the 7th largest economy in the world.
 
2014-03-13 04:38:21 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work

That actually seems low, considering that we're talking about the 7th largest economy in the world.


Below poverty level in some parts of California.

/exaggerating.
//or are I?
 
2014-03-13 04:40:42 PM
But all we know that the liberalization of the policies of the Republic of the California means that there are not the businesses there and thus they do not provide to making the taxes. I double the doggy have the daring of you to name one legitimate business who would go to this place which is the hell for capitalism and thus not the one deserving of the higher payments of the officials of the government. I say to they if you have desire for six figures then move to the state with more of the conservatism policies of the Market for Freedom such as Mississippi where they do not need for the desire of the welfarement programs because LIBERTARIANISM biznacho.
 
2014-03-13 04:45:03 PM

haemaker: Sin_City_Superhero: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work

That actually seems low, considering that we're talking about the 7th largest economy in the world.

Below poverty level in some parts of California.

/exaggerating.
//or are I?



With that kind of salary you couldn't even rent a 1 bedroom/1 bath apartment in one of the swankier sections of San Francisco, you know, like the Tenderloin
 
2014-03-13 06:08:24 PM

cannotsuggestaname: haemaker: Sin_City_Superhero: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work

That actually seems low, considering that we're talking about the 7th largest economy in the world.

Below poverty level in some parts of California.

/exaggerating.
//or are I?


With that kind of salary you couldn't even rent a 1 bedroom/1 bath apartment in one of the swankier sections of San Francisco, you know, like the Tenderloin


Yea, $90k is Hunter's Point you-can-rent-the-garden-shed-behind-my-townhouse money.
 
2014-03-13 06:20:05 PM
Yeah but in Bakersfield, $95k/yr is big pimpin'!

/sobs
 
2014-03-13 06:20:42 PM
If you've got the surplus, why not treat yourself?

/in before old talking points
 
2014-03-13 06:22:37 PM
Yeah, they should just work in California and commute from Idaho or another cheaper neighborhood.

Alternatively, let's subcontract out oversight and similar tasks to the lowest international bidder. That's what you want out of state employees, right?

"911, my name is Bill from Stockton, what's the emergency," says someone from a Mumbai call center
 
2014-03-13 06:25:32 PM
Is the raise greater than inflation? And I mean real inflation - including fuel, healthcare, and education costs? Or does it put state employees at a higher salary than private sector equivalents?

If the answer is no - why is this a discussion?
 
2014-03-13 06:26:58 PM
Also, "LIBERTARIANISM biznacho" is hilarious. Don't ever change MSTD
 
2014-03-13 06:27:07 PM
On the subject ... is there any stupider idea than a PART-TIME LEGISLATIVE BRANCH? (California's is full-time)

This is not the 18th century. You don't need to "go home to harvest". If your legislators are part-time, they are going to rely almost exclusively on their staff, which makes them vulnerable to lobbyists due to the lack of time available. ALEC exploits this vulnerability very well ... and you know ALEC isn't a part-time operation...
 
2014-03-13 06:29:37 PM
Subby, you are an idiot. Did you actually read the article at all?

A) The California Citizens Compensation Commission- That's not the legislatures themselves, you idiot.

B) There's no indication the commission will make any changes this year. - Your headline could almost not be more wrong if you tried.
 
2014-03-13 06:32:41 PM
State officials (and by state official subby means a separate citizen group) in California are already the highest paid in the nation (this is actually shown incorrect in the article that they actually get paid less than some even in their own state), so naturally they're about to vote themselves another pay raise (The article explains they can't and also explains that the citizen group who chooses is not sure yet)

Serious mods did you even read the article? Or did you just say "Wow, what a trollrific headline - GREEN!"
 
2014-03-13 06:33:04 PM

StopLurkListen: Yeah, they should just work in California and commute from Idaho or another cheaper neighborhood.
Alternatively, let's subcontract out oversight and similar tasks to the lowest international bidder. That's what you want out of state employees, right?
"911, my name is Bill from Stockton, what's the emergency," says someone from a Mumbai call center


Romney already did that as governor of MA. He hired Citi to manage his state SNAP cards, and Citi used those state dollars to hire an Indian call center.
 
2014-03-13 06:36:49 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work

That actually seems low, considering that we're talking about the 7th largest economy in the world.


...and only six states in the US receive less Federal spending per dollar of taxes contributed. Meaning, CA takes far better care of the rest of the US than the US does of it, sort of.

Now if only they could do something about double-dipping cops...
 
2014-03-13 06:48:37 PM

Corvus: Serious mods did you even read the article? Or did you just say "Wow, what a trollrific headline - GREEN!"


Seems to be happening more and more often, sad to say.


LIBERTARIANISM biznacho!
 
2014-03-13 06:51:20 PM

Corvus: Subby, you are an idiot. Did you actually read the article at all?

A) The California Citizens Compensation Commission- That's not the legislatures themselves, you idiot.

B) There's no indication the commission will make any changes this year. - Your headline could almost not be more wrong if you tried.


Good luck, I already tried that.
 
2014-03-13 06:51:26 PM
Honestly I don't see what business it is of anyone how much public servants make.
 
2014-03-13 06:59:25 PM

God_Almighty_Himself: Honestly I don't see what business it is of anyone how much public servants make.


Because they work for us? Because it's the public's money they're spending on themselves?
 
2014-03-13 07:10:34 PM
People are angry about public servant pay. People are also angry about business management pay. Different side of the same coin?

Probably not, but it is kind of interesting. I think it has to do more with jealousy above all.
 
2014-03-13 07:11:40 PM

Scrotastic Method: Because they work for us?


What a quaint, antiquated notion.  Modern society is held back by such petty meddling by the public.
 
2014-03-13 07:15:29 PM
You're a half TRILLION in the pensions hole.

Pensions are based on last pay.

No, you do NOT get pay raises.
 
2014-03-13 07:17:07 PM

Corvus: Subby, you are an idiot. Did you actually read the article at all?

A) The California Citizens Compensation Commission- That's not the legislatures themselves, you idiot.

B) There's no indication the commission will make any changes this year. - Your headline could almost not be more wrong if you tried.


Well, I'm pretty sure that, at $97K/yr, California state officials are not the highest paid in the nation.  So there's one more thing the headline could be wrong about.
 
2014-03-13 07:43:13 PM
I have it on good authority that you need to pay top dollar for top talent.

=Smidge=
 
2014-03-13 07:44:38 PM

Sin_City_Superhero: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work

That actually seems low, considering that we're talking about the 7th largest economy in the world.


Yeah, the idea that people who work full time in government should not be compensated is retarded.

Do you want some guy voting on laws that needs to take bribes in order to feed his family?

Personally, I don't mind someone bringing home a solid income from this, what I mind is the jagoffs that get rich after 1 or 2 terms in government, because obviously someone has been greasing their palms.
 
2014-03-13 07:47:33 PM
95K/yr ?  I bet they shop at walmart and smell funny.  I'll have nothing to do with them
 
2014-03-13 07:52:11 PM
FYI,
The highest paid state employee in California:

UCLA basketball coach Ben Howland earned $2,234,191 in gross pay last year.
 
2014-03-13 07:54:54 PM

Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work, Not exactly extravagant pay in California.


I bust my ass in California.   I made 35,000 last year.  I have a BS in geology and do engineering work.  fark you.
 
2014-03-13 07:57:46 PM

locustfajita: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work, Not exactly extravagant pay in California.

I bust my ass in California.   I made 35,000 last year.  I have a BS in geology and do engineering work.  fark you.


Your dollar probably goes a lot farther in Lancaster.
 
2014-03-13 07:58:23 PM

locustfajita: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work, Not exactly extravagant pay in California.

I bust my ass in California.   I made 35,000 last year.  I have a BS in geology and do engineering work.  fark you.


Isnt that below poverty level for white people?
 
2014-03-13 07:59:54 PM

locustfajita: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work, Not exactly extravagant pay in California.

I bust my ass in California.   I made 35,000 last year.  I have a BS in geology and do engineering work.  fark you.


You're either in Chico/equivalent or on welfare.

If I didn't have student loans or a car, I'd still be paycheck to paycheck on about $50K.
 
2014-03-13 08:00:09 PM

meow said the dog: absolute pile of disjointed biznacho.


Oh shut it, scarebus.
 
2014-03-13 08:01:40 PM

God_Almighty_Himself: Scrotastic Method: Because they work for us?

What a quaint, antiquated notion.  Modern society is held back by such petty meddling by the public.


They are the "representative" part of "representative democracy." They are supposed to represent us. Yeah I know that rarely, you know, happens...but you might notice things like the US House of Representatives allocates seats based on population...
 
2014-03-13 08:04:40 PM

locustfajita: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work, Not exactly extravagant pay in California.

I bust my ass in California.   I made 35,000 last year.  I have a BS in geology and do engineering work.  fark you.


Um, care to explain why you apparently take offense to that comment? Pretty sure it was a dig at the high cost of living in many of the urban areas of CA.
 
2014-03-13 08:12:46 PM
Kinda depends.  $95k in SF isn't much.  $95k in Stockton is Big Willie Style.
 
2014-03-13 08:14:52 PM
Gotta keep narrowing that income gap between the Got it alls, and the got most of its.
 
2014-03-13 08:16:51 PM

Rapmaster2000: Kinda depends.  $95k in SF isn't much.  $95k in Stockton is Big Willie Style.


What's $95k in Barstow? Russian Oligarch style?
 
2014-03-13 08:33:42 PM
Their cost of living goes up too. We have to pay them a livable wage as good employers.
 
2014-03-13 08:50:12 PM

Killer Cars: Rapmaster2000: Kinda depends.  $95k in SF isn't much.  $95k in Stockton is Big Willie Style.

What's $95k in Barstow? Russian Oligarch style?


Hard to say.  Has anyone found themselves in Barstow and not immediately committed suicide?
 
2014-03-13 08:51:32 PM

KenShabby: Killer Cars: Rapmaster2000: Kinda depends.  $95k in SF isn't much.  $95k in Stockton is Big Willie Style.

What's $95k in Barstow? Russian Oligarch style?

Hard to say.  Has anyone found themselves in Barstow and not immediately committed suicide?


There are 23,000 people in Barstow.

That's a LOT of gas stations for people going from LA to LV.
 
2014-03-13 09:13:39 PM
I figured maybe I was giving Barstow a bum wrap, so I dropped down on a random intersection with Google Street View and saw this.  For half a second I thought, "shiat it's so bad they've sent in the tanks."
 
2014-03-13 09:21:07 PM
To be fair, I understand that California is so large that it's practically ungovernable and needs to be split into 6 smaller states.  For doing such an impossible job, maybe they deserve a raise?
 
2014-03-13 09:29:10 PM

KenShabby: I figured maybe I was giving Barstow a bum wrap, so I dropped down on a random intersection with Google Street View and saw this.  For half a second I thought, "shiat it's so bad they've sent in the tanks."


The dirty little secret of California is that 80% of the state is either a barren desert hellhole that hits 100 degrees in the summer made green by dint of great irrigation effort or (admittedly VERY pretty) mountains that can't support huge populations.

At the same time, it's home of Hollywood and Silicon Valley and 3 of the major West Coast ports of the greatest economic engine on the planet.    As far as fundamentals go, that's some pretty good fundamentals.

The remaining 20% is therefore very expensive.
 
2014-03-13 09:34:51 PM

meyerkev: KenShabby: I figured maybe I was giving Barstow a bum wrap, so I dropped down on a random intersection with Google Street View and saw this.  For half a second I thought, "shiat it's so bad they've sent in the tanks."

The dirty little secret of California is that 80% of the state is either a barren desert hellhole that hits 100 degrees in the summer made green by dint of great irrigation effort or (admittedly VERY pretty) mountains that can't support huge populations.

At the same time, it's home of Hollywood and Silicon Valley and 3 of the major West Coast ports of the greatest economic engine on the planet.    As far as fundamentals go, that's some pretty good fundamentals.

The remaining 20% is therefore very expensive.


Agreed.  I live in rural Sonoma County.  Not cheap, but not as expensive as the urban parts of the Bay Area.
 
2014-03-13 10:17:45 PM
I've maintained for years that in general pay for legislators isn't high enough. People who enter the government often have to take a huge pay cut to do so, unless they have a business on the side (in which case you have conflict of interest problems) or they are planning to find work as a lobbyist after they leave the government (which is a MUCH bigger problem and is part of the revolving door between business and legislatures that has caused so many problems). Many legislators go into debt having to maintain two residences and having to cover travel, and while watching the politics feeds I've seen a number of members of the legislature drop out for financial reasons in the last year. When you don't pay public servants a wage commensurate with their worth, you get crappy legislators - either rich power-hungry assholes, or people of moderate wealthy who suddenly need to sell out to corporate interests in order to stay financially afloat.

We should demand that our legislators get pay appropriate for highly-qualified professionals required to travel regularly, and in return demand high accountability and serious campaign finance reform. Otherwise we're just asking to get stupid legislators and corruption.
 
2014-03-13 10:21:59 PM

CynicalLA: locustfajita: Dinki: They make ~ $95,000 for full time work, Not exactly extravagant pay in California.

I bust my ass in California.   I made 35,000 last year.  I have a BS in geology and do engineering work.  fark you.

Your dollar probably goes a lot farther in Lancaster.


Or Oklahoma, or Texas.  Don't give up.  You worked hard for that degree.  I believe Cal Poly Pomona has a pretty flexible part-time Master's program if you think you need the secondary degree.

// Geophysics
 
2014-03-13 10:32:23 PM
But remember, folks... If you biatch about your taxes, you're greedy and probably a racist.
 
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