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(Tom's Hardware)   Windows 9 will finally get people to move from Windows XP. Super serial this time   (tomshardware.com) divider line 186
    More: Unlikely, Windows XP, Film distribution, Modern UI  
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2014-03-13 01:11:22 PM  
The "cool factor" of the Modern UI will eventually win everyone over.
Is Windows 8 really that horrible? Definitely not.



Has Tom's Hardware become a parody site?
 
2014-03-13 01:33:20 PM  
Let's see if they can move me from Windows 7, because that's the last Windows I'm willingly buying at this point.
 
2014-03-13 01:36:50 PM  
You mean after they release Service Pack 1.
 
2014-03-13 01:38:29 PM  
Windows 7 was a worthwhile upgrade from XP -- how about we just let people buy that instead of pushing Win8 down their throats? Give up, Microsoft, you lost with your Metro crap, and putting in a 'start button' doesn't mean crap if it brings up Metro.
 
2014-03-13 01:42:46 PM  
See here's the difference: I legally own a few copies of XP and a few copies of Win7. If they want me to "upgrade" it will have to be a pretty attractive deal, pricewise. And by attractive I mean "almost free."
 
2014-03-13 01:49:36 PM  
Last night I tried set up a network printer for my Windows 8 machine that decided it no longer knew WTF it was I was talking about when I told it to print. I gave up after 3 hours. It still doesn't work.

My Mac has no problem finding it on the network and printing to it.

I ended up dragging a Control Panel shortcut onto my taskbar because otherwise it's a huge pain in the ass to find. The side screen shiat doesn't pop out unless I hit it just right and the Control Panel icon is half a screen away from my mouse when the goddamned side screen shiat finally does show up.

Search works like crap. IE seems to have been invaded by every vendor evar, because it opens a shiatton of tabs when I click on the farking icon by accident in the taskbar. UNINSTALL THAT shiat, WOMAN. And the printer still doesn't farking work.

It worked 3 days ago. WTF, Windows 8??
 
2014-03-13 01:52:11 PM  

Gig103: Windows 7 was a worthwhile upgrade from XP -- how about we just let people buy that instead of pushing Win8 down their throats? Give up, Microsoft, you lost with your Metro crap, and putting in a 'start button' doesn't mean crap if it brings up Metro.


I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.
 
2014-03-13 01:56:08 PM  

serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.


Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.
 
2014-03-13 01:57:21 PM  
That sounds about right as far as Microsoft's pattern of every other major Windows release being worthwhile.
Windows 95  :)
Windows 98  :(
Windows 98SE :)
Windows ME :(
Windows XP :)
Windows Vista :(
Windows 7 :)
Windows 8 :(
Windows 9 ???
 
2014-03-13 01:58:23 PM  
Everyone forgets Windows 2000. The last good Windows that you didn't need to make a goddamned phone call to reinstall.
 
2014-03-13 01:59:30 PM  
I know it's a mistake to assume that what I like is what all users like, but... I've got close to 4,000 users. Not one of them is running windows 8, and we specifically require vendors to *not* provide touchscreen displays.

Those displays have a planned lifetime of just under 36 months, so I am quite comfortable in saying major corporate users have zero intention of adopting any OS based on a touch UI at least through 2018.

(not to mention, if users wanted a touch UI on a desktop environment - as opposed to phablets - wouldn't Apple be jumping all over that market like crazy?)
 
2014-03-13 01:59:56 PM  

RexTalionis: serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.

Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.


Little slow like George "Dubya" or more like Corky from Life Goes On?
 
2014-03-13 02:02:01 PM  

MajorTubeSteak: RexTalionis: serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.

Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.

Little slow like George "Dubya" or more like Corky from Life Goes On?


There's a lot of little under-the-hood improvements to Windows 8 that I really like, especially with regards to memory management. I also like how I can go from boot to login screen in under 12 seconds now.
 
2014-03-13 02:21:30 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Everyone forgets Windows 2000. The last good Windows that you didn't need to make a goddamned phone call to reinstall.

Windows 2000 was fantastic and I didn't forget it. It just didn't fit in my timeline because, like NT 4.0, was more intended for corporate users rather than home users. Plus it overlapped a bit with ME and XP and it messed up my narrative. :)
 
2014-03-13 02:28:00 PM  

exick: Windows 95  :)


Um. It was about as stable as Charles Manson.
 
2014-03-13 02:29:04 PM  
I thought you superstitious dinguses believed in the every-other-release-is-good cycle. That should get you moving.
 
2014-03-13 02:35:47 PM  

Nadie_AZ: exick: Windows 95  :)

Um. It was about as stable as Charles Manson.

In comparison to 98SE and subsequent good versions of Windows, it wasn't the greatest, but it was the grandfather of those people and had a ridiculously long shelf life (with both good and bad results).
 
2014-03-13 02:37:02 PM  

Nadie_AZ: exick: Windows 95  :)

Um. It was about as stable as Charles Manson.


But you've got to remember what was before it - Windows 3.1, which could usually run one application, couldn't access more than 640k of memory consistently, and required a level 15 geek to trick a network card into working even occasionally.

Win 95 crashed once a day predictably, but it was a huuuuuuuuge step up from the very limited win 3.1 and the very incompatible-with-everything win NT.
 
2014-03-13 02:37:52 PM  
Not sure how the word people snuck in there, but pretend like I didn't write it.
 
2014-03-13 02:38:05 PM  
Let's just hope they didn't beat this one with the ugly stick.
 
2014-03-13 03:09:58 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Everyone forgets Windows 2000. The last good Windows that you didn't need to make a goddamned phone call to reinstall.


Its not forgotten, it was a business environment OS, like NT was.   Xp was based on 2000.
 
2014-03-13 03:13:01 PM  
Of my two rigs, one is happily on Win7, the other a do-all server box (remote desktop access, FTP, torrents, etc) that is still on XP because some of the hardware i have connected to it never had new software written for it beyond XP (such as my XMradio unit).
 
2014-03-13 03:16:07 PM  

RexTalionis: serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.

Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.


Modify it for best performance in the control panel. Once you turn off all the worthless eye candy like transparent windows it runs a lot faster.
 
2014-03-13 03:16:13 PM  
Is Windows 9 going to be Metro-free? If yes, then we can go. If no, then Windows 7 is what will be on my box.
 
2014-03-13 03:17:05 PM  
The "cool factor" of the Modern UI will eventually win everyone over.
i18.photobucket.com
 
2014-03-13 03:17:08 PM  
Is Windows 8 really that horrible?

Sales say yes.
 
2014-03-13 03:17:38 PM  

exick: That sounds about right as far as Microsoft's pattern of every other major Windows release being worthwhile.
Windows 95  :)
Windows 98  :(
Windows 98SE :)
Windows ME :(
Windows XP :)
Windows Vista :(
Windows 7 :)
Windows 8 :(
Windows 9 ???


Came in here to post something similar.

/Also, you forgot Windows 2000.  Never had any major complaints about it.
 
2014-03-13 03:19:10 PM  
I wonder if I'll be able to buy the upgrade instead of the full version. I'm pretty sure when I got my Windows 7 upgrade, I needed my XP disk, which was also an upgrade, for which I needed my original Windows ME disk (full version, free from my college). It's  damned good thing I still have that ME disk around.
 
2014-03-13 03:20:57 PM  

syrynxx: The "cool factor" of the Modern UI will eventually win everyone over.
Is Windows 8 really that horrible? Definitely not.


Has Tom's Hardware become a parody site?


They certainly haven't improved their site's look and feel...EVER.
 
2014-03-13 03:21:02 PM  

MajorTubeSteak: RexTalionis: serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.

Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.

Little slow like George "Dubya" or more like Corky from Life Goes On?


Ok, that was funny.
 
2014-03-13 03:21:55 PM  
Windows 9 will bring back all the great features people love in 8 like mtion controls and instant access to Bing. Plus they are adding motion controls. I mean sure, you have to stand on your head and wiggle all ten toes to switch off Metro. Once you get past that, it runs great.
 
2014-03-13 03:24:09 PM  

rewind2846: Is Windows 9 going to be Metro-free? If yes, then we can go. If no, then Windows 7 is what will be on my box.


Pretty much this.
 
2014-03-13 03:27:02 PM  
"Windows 8.1, launched in October 2013, definitely made the platform feel more like a single unit than the previous Desktop/Modern UI double-feature. Windows 8.1 GDR1, scheduled to launch in April, will supposedly help merge the two together. Windows 9? Even more."

MS and the author fail to understand that this is not a selling point, it's one of the things users hate about Win8.
 
2014-03-13 03:27:27 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Is Windows 8 really that horrible?

Sales say yes.


That's a terrible metric. The OS is not "that horrible" by any definition at all.
 
2014-03-13 03:29:36 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Is Windows 8 really that horrible?

Sales say yes.


Windows 8 is fine.

The Metro interface, however, is straight user/marketing poison.  It goes well beyond "people don't like it because it's unfamiliar" and straight into objectively bad territory.
 
2014-03-13 03:31:03 PM  

exick: That sounds about right as far as Microsoft's pattern of every other major Windows release being worthwhile.
Windows 95  :)
Windows 98  :(
Windows 98SE :)
Windows ME :(
Windows XP :)
Windows Vista :(
Windows 7 :)
Windows 8 :(
Windows 9 ???


i.memecaptain.com
 
2014-03-13 03:31:42 PM  
FTFA: It's time to go people. The Windows XP party will be over soon.

Agreed.  Act now while you can still find Windows 7.
 
2014-03-13 03:32:48 PM  
Oh. Well, I received two things via delivery last week:

1) A Chrome book for the wife to replace our aged XP laptop.
2) Windows 7 for my home  computer to reluctantly upgrade XP.

In ten years I may consider Windows 9.
 
2014-03-13 03:33:52 PM  

RexTalionis: MajorTubeSteak: RexTalionis: serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.

Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.

Little slow like George "Dubya" or more like Corky from Life Goes On?

There's a lot of little under-the-hood improvements to Windows 8 that I really like, especially with regards to memory management. I also like how I can go from boot to login screen in under 12 seconds now.


Windows 7 can do sleep and hibernate mode fast booting too. Why do so many people count that as a new feature in 8? All they did is change the default.
 
2014-03-13 03:36:23 PM  

nytmare: RexTalionis: MajorTubeSteak: RexTalionis: serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.

Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.

Little slow like George "Dubya" or more like Corky from Life Goes On?

There's a lot of little under-the-hood improvements to Windows 8 that I really like, especially with regards to memory management. I also like how I can go from boot to login screen in under 12 seconds now.

Windows 7 can do sleep and hibernate mode fast booting too. Why do so many people count that as a new feature in 8? All they did is change the default.


They changed the fast boot for Windows 8.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2406668,00.asp
 
2014-03-13 03:36:42 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Let's see if they can move me from Windows 7, because that's the last Windows I'm willingly buying at this point.


Why? Windows has a proven track record of every other release bing good, with Win 8 sucking so badly, it's almost guaranteed that 9 will be great. And if they do an open beta like they did with 7, I'll be all over it.

Win 2000--Great
Win ME--Garbage
Win XP--Great
Vista--Garbage
Windows 7--Great
Win 8--Garbage

See the pattern? Windows 9 will be just fine.
 
2014-03-13 03:36:50 PM  

Tyrone Biggums: exick: That sounds about right as far as Microsoft's pattern of every other major Windows release being worthwhile.
Windows 95  :)
Windows 98  :(
Windows 98SE :)
Windows ME :(
Windows XP :)
Windows Vista :(
Windows 7 :)
Windows 8 :(
Windows 9 ???

Came in here to post something similar.

/Also, you forgot Windows 2000.  Never had any major complaints about it.


I never understood why people didn't like it either. It's one problem area? Games. Some worked, some did not. It had a dll registration that could enable zip support and the compatibility tab that XP had. It didn't have themes and was very stable for the most part.
 
Ant
2014-03-13 03:37:47 PM  
Good luck with Windows XP. April 9 will be the last Patch Tuesday for it. Time for everyone to release all the exploits they've been holding back in anticipation of no more patches.
 
2014-03-13 03:38:55 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Everyone forgets Windows 2000. The last good Windows that you didn't need to make a goddamned phone call to reinstall.


Do you not have the internet? I haven't had a problem activating Windows for years... Even when I was using pirated copies of XP back in the day.
 
2014-03-13 03:39:51 PM  

exick: AverageAmericanGuy: Everyone forgets Windows 2000. The last good Windows that you didn't need to make a goddamned phone call to reinstall.
Windows 2000 was fantastic and I didn't forget it. It just didn't fit in my timeline because, like NT 4.0, was more intended for corporate users rather than home users. Plus it overlapped a bit with ME and XP and it messed up my narrative. :)


Not if you start with 2k, then go to ME, then XP, which is how it happened anyway.
 
2014-03-13 03:43:05 PM  

Ant: Good luck with Windows XP. April 9 will be the last Patch Tuesday for it. Time for everyone to release all the exploits they've been holding back in anticipation of no more patches.


Hm. I have an XP system for a few older games (Fallout 1, 2, 3, NV) and am not sure how they'll run on Win7 with 4gb of RAM. Yes, I know the OS can't used the 4 currently installed, but the games run well.
 
Ant
2014-03-13 03:45:19 PM  

Jim_Callahan: Windows 8 is fine.

The Metro interface, however, is straight user/marketing poison.  It goes well beyond "people don't like it because it's unfamiliar" and straight into objectively bad territory.


This. You can uninstall all the stupid Metro apps that want to open your pictures, music, etc. Once you do that, it's fine. It actually has some good features, like built in ISO mounting.
 
2014-03-13 03:45:41 PM  

serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.


Seconded

RexTalionis: Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.


I had Windows 7 installed on my new gaming rig with a SSD.

Major difference being on that drive.
 
2014-03-13 03:46:59 PM  

Beerguy: serpent_sky: I love Windows 7 - I see no reason to change it whatsoever, no matter what they do with 9.

Seconded

RexTalionis: Windows 7 is fine, but it's a little slow.

I had Windows 7 installed on my new gaming rig with a SSD.

Major difference being on that drive.


I have Windows 7 and Windows 8 both running off of SSDs - one an Intel 530 SSD and the other a Samsung 840 Pro.
 
Ant
2014-03-13 03:48:04 PM  
Oh, plus Windows 8 can run Hyper-V. Windows 7 can't
 
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