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(Salon)   Everything's bigger in Alaska, even the Derp. Meet Joe Miller the Tea Party primary candidate for AK Senate who accuses of Obama of instituting "religious apartheid" and believes in the absolute right of private employers to practice discrimination   (salon.com) divider line 131
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2014-03-13 01:21:28 PM
So at the federal level, then, should it be legal for that hotel to turn someone away because they're African-American?

Again, that's all I'm going to say about it. The state has the right to act. The federal government should be more of a libertarian stance. And that's all I'm going to talk about on that issue. I'm a state's right advocate in those areas.


Dude...just say "yes"  Have the strength of your convictions, farktard
 
2014-03-13 01:21:35 PM
Reporter: Specifically the public accommodation portion of the Civil Rights Act - should that be repealed?

Miller: I've already made it clear what my position is.

Then why not do it again with a one word answer instead of dodging it with a nine word answer?
 
2014-03-13 01:28:15 PM
Reporter: Last year, reportedly you said that "The President of the U.S. and his allies are engaged in a form of systematic spiritual and religious apartheid." How so?

Miller: I think that we've seen a president that is more antagonistic and antithetical to free enterprise than any president in the history of the country...

If the president wants to enforce upon religious groups his version of what should be done, I think that he needs to take into account the fact that he's got limitations of the Constitution which are designed in the Free Exercise clause to allow those particular religious groups to pursue what they see as appropriate within their particular religious views. When you look at, for example, even internationally what our country is doing in Syria, in the disrespect for what we see going on with the religious minorities there - even Iraq to a certain extent, Afghanistan even. I mean, I think there is almost a degree of, perhaps - internationally - apathy toward those issues [from the administration]. In the United States, almost a degree of hostility in domestic policy.


Man, that's like a mash up of Sarah Palin and the South Carolina Miss America contestant.

Reporter: What is the apartheid comparison there? Is there one group that you think is being privileged over another group?

Miller: Well, we're talking about different groups, aren't we?

Reporter: So who is in what position there?

Miller: I thought we were talking about religious groups and irreligious groups.


Why don't you just ask him if he knows what the word "apartheid" means? You know you want to.
 
2014-03-13 01:30:26 PM

nmrsnr: Why don't you just ask him if he knows what the word "apartheid" means? You know you want to.


He certainly didn't show any knowledge of what the word meant... it would have been a mercy-kill at that point.  Seems like the typical "I've heard that it is a bad word so it can describe anything that I don't agree with" that TPers adore.
 
2014-03-13 02:30:00 PM
What a maroon.

"So at the federal level, then, should it be legal for that hotel to turn someone away because they're African-American?"

"I'm not going to get into that. But common sense blah blah blah..."

You know full well the scenario is very likely with what you're proposing, dipshiat. I guess the reporter should have asked him, "Is this an acceptable consequence of repealing Equal Rights?"
 
2014-03-13 02:38:52 PM
Same as it ever was.
 
2014-03-13 02:44:49 PM
I can't believe there are grown ass men who call themselves libertarians.
 
2014-03-13 02:45:40 PM
This guy again? The one Lisa Murkowski defeated as a write-in candidate?
 
2014-03-13 02:46:13 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Dude...just say "yes" Have the strength of your convictions, farktard


I'd have more respect for him if he'd just say "Yes." or "No." to a simple Yes or No question.

I wouldn't agree with him, or if I lived in Alaska would I ever vote for him... but I'd at least have respect for him by shamelessly admitting his convictions and beliefs.

So, I neither agree with him nor respect him.
 
2014-03-13 02:46:55 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: I can't believe there are grown ass men who call themselves libertarians.


what did you really expect from ass men?
 
2014-03-13 02:49:02 PM
I loved it when Lisa Murkowski kicked his ass as a *write-in* candidate.
 
2014-03-13 02:49:24 PM

Lionel Mandrake: So at the federal level, then, should it be legal for that hotel to turn someone away because they're African-American?

Again, that's all I'm going to say about it. The state has the right to act. The federal government should be more of a libertarian stance. And that's all I'm going to talk about on that issue. I'm a state's right advocate in those areas.

Dude...just say "yes"  Have the strength of your convictions, farktard


If he does that, people won't vote for him.
 
2014-03-13 02:49:47 PM
These people just don't think their philosophies all the way through, do they?  Let's say you live in a very small town with only one general store.  The store decides it doesn't want to sell to a group of people because of the owner's religious beliefs.  The nearest store is hours away.  How the hell are people supposed to boycott the store if there are no other alternatives to go to?  This whole "the free-market will decide" bullshiat doesn't often work in the real world.  This guy is from Alaska, where there are a ton of isolated communities like this.  He should know that.
 
2014-03-13 02:49:49 PM
Tea Party is code word for "I'm only here to make the establishment candidates that you really dislike look sane by comparison."
 
2014-03-13 02:50:03 PM
So this guy is just a serial kook candidate who doesn't have a chance even in Alaska right?
 
2014-03-13 02:50:15 PM

Pincy: These people just don't think their philosophies all the way through, do they?  Let's say you live in a very small town with only one general store.  The store decides it doesn't want to sell to a group of people because of the owner's religious beliefs.  The nearest store is hours away.  How the hell are people supposed to boycott the store if there are no other alternatives to go to?  This whole "the free-market will decide" bullshiat doesn't often work in the real world.  This guy is from Alaska, where there are a ton of isolated communities like this.  He should know that.


They think it through, they just don't care.
 
2014-03-13 02:50:47 PM
I remember Rachel Maddow, on location in Alaska for that earlier Senate run, asking some Joe Miller supporters why they supported him. They just yelled back two words, "Pro life!".
 
2014-03-13 02:51:12 PM

nmrsnr: Why don't you just ask him if he knows what the word "apartheid" means?


it just means bad stuff. like calories. an apartheid is a calorie
 
2014-03-13 02:51:17 PM
Libertarianism is the best excuse for avoiding questions.
 
2014-03-13 02:51:20 PM
Keep talking, Joe, the mid-terms are still some months away!
 
2014-03-13 02:51:41 PM
It's almost as if Libertarians are embarrassed to acknowledge the consequences that will result from enacting their silly political philosophy into law.
 
2014-03-13 02:52:01 PM

Pincy: This guy is from Alaska


no, he isn't.
 
2014-03-13 02:53:25 PM

Pincy: These people just don't think their philosophies all the way through, do they?  Let's say you live in a very small town with only one general store.  The store decides it doesn't want to sell to a group of people because of the owner's religious beliefs.  The nearest store is hours away.  How the hell are people supposed to boycott the store if there are no other alternatives to go to?  This whole "the free-market will decide" bullshiat doesn't often work in the real world.  This guy is from Alaska, where there are a ton of isolated communities like this.  He should know that.


Who the fark cares about those people? They deserve to starve to death for trying to make a businessman violate his sincerely held religious beliefs!
 
2014-03-13 02:53:31 PM
Well, he's right. What would you expect from Barrack the islamic shock Fartbongo?
 
2014-03-13 02:55:08 PM
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Oh yeah, that dick.
 
2014-03-13 02:56:55 PM
LOLibertarians
 
2014-03-13 02:59:30 PM
Not even the extra special jackhard Alaska brand of conservatives want to vote for this idiot.
 
2014-03-13 03:02:47 PM

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Oh yeah, that dick.


Is this dude ALWAYS "halfway to growing a beard?"
 
2014-03-13 03:02:52 PM

Alphax: This guy again? The one Lisa Murkowski defeated as a write-in candidate?


Yup. The problem is that Lisa Murkowski isn't running this time, so if this guy wins the primary, he'll probably win the general.
 
2014-03-13 03:04:36 PM
For someone who seems to be so afraid of saying explicitly that he'd repeal the Civil Rights Act and allow religiously based discrimination against African-Americans, he's certainly willing to give the libertarian argument for doing so.

JM: "2 + X = 6"
Salon: "So would you say that X = 4?
JM: "Listen, I've said my piece on that."
 
2014-03-13 03:06:15 PM

Pincy: These people just don't think their philosophies all the way through, do they?  Let's say you live in a very small town with only one general store.  The store decides it doesn't want to sell to a group of people because of the owner's religious beliefs.  The nearest store is hours away.  How the hell are people supposed to boycott the store if there are no other alternatives to go to?  This whole "the free-market will decide" bullshiat doesn't often work in the real world.  This guy is from Alaska, where there are a ton of isolated communities like this.  He should know that.


How unrealistic; he's planning to represent Alaska, a place where you certainly would never find a lack of foods should the most immediate source refuse to service you.
 
2014-03-13 03:08:39 PM

Karac: For someone who seems to be so afraid of saying explicitly that he'd repeal the Civil Rights Act and allow religiously based discrimination against African-Americans, he's certainly willing to give the libertarian argument for doing so.


That IS the Libertarian argument: "It works in theory."

"OK, but here's how it failed in practice. How do you get around that?"

"IT. WORKS. IN. THEORY. Gah, you libs are so dumb."
 
2014-03-13 03:10:22 PM

Obama's Reptiloid Master: I can't believe there are grown ass men who call themselves libertarians.


I don't necessarily think everything about the general libertarian philosophy is wrong-headed. For example, there are a number of regulations instituted by governments at the behest of large corporations that, in practice, erect barriers to entry into the market. Zoning rules are a big example of these. Patent rules are another. Loosening these kinds of rules (or potentially even eliminating them altogether) would make the free market work like a lot of its biggest proponents say it should.

/you'll rarely hear libertarians rail against these kinds of rules though
 
2014-03-13 03:13:35 PM

nmrsnr: Reporter: Specifically the public accommodation portion of the Civil Rights Act - should that be repealed?

Miller: I've already made it clear what my position is.

Then why not do it again with a one word answer instead of dodging it with a nine word answer?


In a word?  Cowardice.

The man is a coward that is trying to appeal to other cowards by being wishy-washy, and not having the courage to face the repercussions of stating his viewpoint outright.
 
2014-03-13 03:14:10 PM

nmrsnr: Why don't you just ask him if he knows what the word "apartheid" means? You know you want to.


Remember when D.F. Malan required black South Africans to buy health insurance?
 
2014-03-13 03:15:13 PM

DarnoKonrad: Obama's Reptiloid Master: I can't believe there are grown ass men who call themselves libertarians.

what did you really expect from ass men?


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2014-03-13 03:16:27 PM

qorkfiend: Alphax: This guy again? The one Lisa Murkowski defeated as a write-in candidate?

Yup. The problem is that Lisa Murkowski isn't running this time, so if this guy wins the primary, he'll probably win the general.


It's not a done-deal by any means. People in Anchorage like Begich for the most part -- he was their mayor and a good Assemblyman for years and years. Those same people who wrote in and voted for Murkowski would likely vote for Begich over a nut-bag like Miller.
 
2014-03-13 03:16:58 PM

Grungehamster: How unrealistic; he's planning to represent Alaska, a place where you certainly would never find a lack of fgoods should the most immediate source refuse to service you.


Ex. If the Fairbanks Walmart won't sell their wares to you, the Wasilla location 315 miles down the road might.
 
2014-03-13 03:18:34 PM
Could we convince, say, Ben and Jerry's to have a No Christians Day at their stores? Because that would pretty much be the potato blight we need in the national consciousness right now.

It just needs to be a big enough business to make the point on a big farking scale.
 
2014-03-13 03:18:53 PM

Lenny_da_Hog: qorkfiend: Alphax: This guy again? The one Lisa Murkowski defeated as a write-in candidate?

Yup. The problem is that Lisa Murkowski isn't running this time, so if this guy wins the primary, he'll probably win the general.

It's not a done-deal by any means. People in Anchorage like Begich for the most part -- he was their mayor and a good Assemblyman for years and years. Those same people who wrote in and voted for Murkowski would likely vote for Begich over a nut-bag like Miller.


Alright, fair enough. I was just remembering 2010 when the only thing that kept Joe Miller out was the presence of a sane Republican option.
 
2014-03-13 03:20:38 PM

Dr Dreidel: Karac: For someone who seems to be so afraid of saying explicitly that he'd repeal the Civil Rights Act and allow religiously based discrimination against African-Americans, he's certainly willing to give the libertarian argument for doing so.

That IS the Libertarian argument: "It works in theory."

"OK, but here's how it failed in practice. How do you get around that?"

"IT. WORKS. IN. THEORY. Gah, you libs are so dumb."


That's not what I was talking about.

If you ask him piece by piece, Miller will gleefully agree to repealing each separate section of the CRA.  But if you ask him if he wants to repeal the CRA entirely, he clams up.
 
2014-03-13 03:21:07 PM
Just what the hell is in the water, air, or soil in Alaska that makes these people this way? Derpasodiatriculitamine?
 
2014-03-13 03:23:11 PM

qorkfiend: Lenny_da_Hog: qorkfiend: Alphax: This guy again? The one Lisa Murkowski defeated as a write-in candidate?

Yup. The problem is that Lisa Murkowski isn't running this time, so if this guy wins the primary, he'll probably win the general.

It's not a done-deal by any means. People in Anchorage like Begich for the most part -- he was their mayor and a good Assemblyman for years and years. Those same people who wrote in and voted for Murkowski would likely vote for Begich over a nut-bag like Miller.

Alright, fair enough. I was just remembering 2010 when the only thing that kept Joe Miller out was the presence of a sane Republican option.


Sane Republicans aren't registered as Republicans, and the GOP has a closed primary in Alaska -- only the nutbags registered as Republican show up to vote in the GOP primary. Alaskans are overwhelmingly unaffiliated on their voter registration, so most can't vote in the GOP primary.

That's the only reason Joe Miller won last time, and it's the reason why Murkowski didn't find it too hard to get support to beat him as a write-in. The GOP could have thrown her out and stripped her of committee seats, things like that, for running against the "official" GOP nominee, but they ended up supporting her.
 
2014-03-13 03:23:12 PM
I want to see what happens when someone kicks him out of their hotel for being an asshole. Preferably at about 3 am.


OH! I have the perfect reality show, one I would actually watch. All you do is follow these people around and film them getting denied business and getting evicted from hotel rooms in the middle of the night. Always film from a "public" area, and in states where you only need the consent of a single party to record. If they don't sign the waiver, then you only have the pictures of them walking down sidewalks and such. Sure, blur out their face at the hotel, but since it immediately followed them walking out of a restaurant or somewhere, then the viewers will still know who it is.
 
2014-03-13 03:23:55 PM
Libertarians value "property rights" over basic decency and social justice.  You know who else used that excuse for perpetuating a dysfunctional and oppressive system?  The confederate states.  The Jim Crow South.

It's not hard to figure out why libertarianism is particularly popular in the south.
 
2014-03-13 03:26:06 PM

Chummer45: Libertarians value "property rights" over basic decency and social justice.  You know who else used that excuse for perpetuating a dysfunctional and oppressive system?  The confederate states.  The Jim Crow South.

It's not hard to figure out why libertarianism is particularly popular in the south.


The hilarious thing to me is that property rights really only mean something if there is a strong government backing up those rights. Otherwise, your property rights are limited to what you physically possess at any given time. And if somebody wants what you have and won't give it to you? Just shoot the bastard and take it from him!
 
2014-03-13 03:29:11 PM
Chummer45:

It's not hard to figure out why libertarianism is particularly popular in the south.

You mean freedom? Why are you so willing to let others dictate how you live your life?
 
2014-03-13 03:29:17 PM

Karac: That's not what I was talking about.

If you ask him piece by piece, Miller will gleefully agree to repealing each separate section of the CRA. But if you ask him if he wants to repeal the CRA entirely, he clams up.


It's the reasoning behind the position.

// for some reason, though, taking the time to explain a position is antithetical to a movement based on informational symmetry between actors
 
2014-03-13 03:31:54 PM

LemSkroob: Chummer45:

It's not hard to figure out why libertarianism is particularly popular in the south.

You mean freedom? Why are you so willing to let others dictate how you live your life?


Yeah! We want the freedom to dictate how others live their lives!
 
2014-03-13 03:33:02 PM

Anonymous Bosch: Could we convince, say, Ben and Jerry's to have a No Christians Day at their stores? Because that would pretty much be the potato blight we need in the national consciousness right now.

It just needs to be a big enough business to make the point on a big farking scale.


Remember, these laws Miller et al are flogging are supposed to protect religious groups not "irreligious groups". You can't discriminate AGAINST Christians, just discriminate FOR Christians or members of any other religion*.

* - Religion does not include cults.**
** - Cults include Islam, Buddhism, Hindu, Shinto, and anything else that doesn't spring from Judean Monotheism. Jews, Papists, and Mormons tolerated on alternating Sundays.
 
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