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(Washington Post)   Northern Virginia Suburbanites: RAH RAH RAH. WE WANT SCHOOLS. LIBRARIES. SIDEWALK REPAIR. ROADS. SERVICES. STOP IGNORING US. Officials: OK, here's your tax bill. Suburbanites: OMFG WHY IS THIS SO HIGH   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 159
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2014-03-13 09:02:22 AM
Property values go up.

Reaction: AAAAAHHHH WHY MY TAXES GO UP
 
2014-03-13 09:02:52 AM
Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.
 
2014-03-13 09:02:59 AM
because they don't have schools, libraries, sidewalk repairs and roads in places with much lower tax rates.
 
2014-03-13 09:03:19 AM
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2014-03-13 09:05:02 AM
Simple. They should just have the people vote on what should be the priorities and place the money towards those things. If people complain, give them the polls and tell them to fight it out with opinion pieces in the newspaper.
 
2014-03-13 09:06:00 AM
How else are they going to pay all those public union pensions?
 
2014-03-13 09:07:33 AM
Funny, the article I read had people complaining about increases in taxes and DECREASES in services.  I must have clicked on the link wrong or something.
 
2014-03-13 09:08:13 AM
Gee, maybe if our taxes weren't paying for the upkeep of ALL THE REST OF VIRGINIA AS WELL then we'd have money to upkeep schools, libraries, and all the rest. But no, Richmond is always after our lunch money.
 
2014-03-13 09:09:37 AM
A southern state is surprised that in order to have peace, prosperity and quality education taxes must be raised on those making a living wage (if they're lucky to make a living wage in the first place)?

Color me shocked.
 
2014-03-13 09:11:08 AM

pkellmey: Simple. They should just have the people vote on what should be the priorities and place the money towards those things. If people complain, give them the polls and tell them to fight it out with opinion pieces in the newspaper.


I agree.  Honestly, everyone should get to vote on whether or not they have to pay for living in a society in the first place, but the first step would be prioritizing what they already steal from us.

Such as less of my money going to fund poors and their "entitlements", and more of your money going to fund old white guys, and the money that they are entitled to from years of hard work.
 
2014-03-13 09:11:28 AM

fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.


And yet they have the most income inequality.  I'd honestly be interested to know which came first.
 
2014-03-13 09:12:53 AM
So generous with other peoples money... not so much when its their own
 
2014-03-13 09:13:22 AM

fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.


Northern Virginia is not a blue state.
It's a blue region that slobs on the knob of the government teat, often generationally, and enjoys a standard of living "higher" than most of the rest of the nation, never mind the rest of Virginia. I put "higher" in quotes because it's only better if you like that kind of thing.

/Lived in Nova for a little over four years, left that stink hole of entitlement.
//Never looked back except to sneer.
 
2014-03-13 09:13:42 AM

QuesoDelicioso: Gee, maybe if our taxes weren't paying for the upkeep of ALL THE REST OF VIRGINIA AS WELL then we'd have money to upkeep schools, libraries, and all the rest. But no, Richmond is always after our lunch money.


You know what is funny?

People down in southern Virginia are convinced that Richmond takes all their hard earned money and sends it to the godless liberals in northern Virginia.

Northern Virginia is bleeding these poor people dry!
 
2014-03-13 09:14:28 AM
According to the article, the increasing assessment value and new tax rate in Prince Billy County, where I live, will result in tax bills that are 5.5% higher.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!

(Does a little bit of math...)

That's just an additional $203? Meh, never mind. Outrage quelled.
 
2014-03-13 09:14:46 AM

Mrs.Sharpier: A southern state is surprised that in order to have peace, prosperity and quality education taxes must be raised on those making a living wage (if they're lucky to make a living wage in the first place)?

Color me shocked.


Northern Virginia is in no way 'Southern.'
 
2014-03-13 09:14:56 AM
Illustration of the complete immaturity of the American populace.

"We want nice things!"

- Well, um, sir...you have to pay for them...taxes are the usual...

"TAXES?!!?!  FARKING LIBRUL SOCIALISTIC ^%#^$@*!!!"

- But, you said you wanted nice things...I just thought...

"GRRRRR!!!  TAKE AMURRRCA BACK!!!  I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!!"

- You realize they paid much higher taxes during our prosperous periods...

"WKJWKJGAKYGAJHKJ@&^%@&^%@*&%$!!!"

- I'm done here...you people are un-farking-believable...
 
2014-03-13 09:15:06 AM
Because unskilled laborers need to paid $40+/hour and skilled tradesman upwards of $70/hr.  Every contract over $25,000 +/- .

Also why we can't have a national jobs program.  Organized Labor won't allow it at a reasonable rate.

But you know, Republicans and rape.


www.abcwi.org
 
2014-03-13 09:15:38 AM

sendtodave: Such as less of my money going to fund poors and their "entitlements", and more of your money going to fund old white guys, and the money that they are entitled to from years of hard work.


All about entitlements, isn't it?
If you're stupid enough to give your money to other people, don't expect to see it later.
 
2014-03-13 09:15:53 AM

self_medicated: Funny, the article I read had people complaining about increases in taxes and DECREASES in services.  I must have clicked on the link wrong or something.


First, this is a more accurate description of the article.

Second, while NoVA is wealthy, it is also run by tax-and-spend liberals who have the money earmarked before they even collect it.  So even though we should have money coming up to our ears, we will soon be deep in debt.

/yes, i am saying 'we'.
 
2014-03-13 09:15:59 AM

fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.


That does not mean that they are not being overcharged for those "nice things".  Are they getting their monies worth or is most of it going to some inflated government employee union pension plan?

NYC certainly does not have low tax rate:

graphics8.nytimes.com
 
2014-03-13 09:16:49 AM

SlothB77: because they don't have schools, libraries, sidewalk repairs and roads in places with much lower tax rates.


Well, they are shutting down the libraries in places with low tax rates, and their roads are shiatty and their schools barely qualify as such.
 
2014-03-13 09:18:25 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.

Northern Virginia is not a blue state.
It's a blue region that slobs on the knob of the government teat, often generationally, and enjoys a standard of living "higher" than most of the rest of the nation, never mind the rest of Virginia. I put "higher" in quotes because it's only better if you like that kind of thing.

/Lived in Nova for a little over four years, left that stink hole of entitlement.
//Never looked back except to sneer.


You mean the part of Virginia that financially supports the rest of the state since it has the lowest percentages of people living below poverty so has the heavier tax burden?  That northern Virginia?

www.vchr.vt.edu
 
2014-03-13 09:18:36 AM
Wait until they find out that austerity in things like repairing roads and sidewalks will cost more when they have to replace large stretches.

I remember the occasional school district that holds a bond election to build new schools but fail to get the increased tax rate election to operate the school.
 
2014-03-13 09:18:46 AM

FLMountainMan: fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.

And yet they have the most income inequality.  I'd honestly be interested to know which came first.


Both are a result of higher population density.
 
2014-03-13 09:19:34 AM
I lived in a "historic" neighborhood at one time and the busy bodies who needed more thing to decided to petition the city for "historic" street lights that looked like gas lamps.

Naturally they won, the city put in the street lights, and every house in the neighborhood got stuck with something like $4000 in special assessments with a 13 year time span to pay them.
 
2014-03-13 09:21:03 AM

rebelyell2006: SlothB77: because they don't have schools, libraries, sidewalk repairs and roads in places with much lower tax rates.

Well, they are shutting down the libraries in places with low tax rates, and their roads are shiatty and their schools barely qualify as such.


Like how Louisiana just turned itself into a third-world state when that a-hole governor of theirs eliminated state funding for libraries.  What kind of a jerk actively tries to shut down literacy and job-seeking programs in his own state?
 
2014-03-13 09:22:42 AM

JosephFinn: HotIgneous Intruder: fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.

Northern Virginia is not a blue state.
It's a blue region that slobs on the knob of the government teat, often generationally, and enjoys a standard of living "higher" than most of the rest of the nation, never mind the rest of Virginia. I put "higher" in quotes because it's only better if you like that kind of thing.

/Lived in Nova for a little over four years, left that stink hole of entitlement.
//Never looked back except to sneer.

You mean the part of Virginia that financially supports the rest of the state since it has the lowest percentages of people living below poverty so has the heavier tax burden?  That northern Virginia?

[www.vchr.vt.edu image 850x520]


I say again, Northern Virginia is not a blue state. It's a bedroom community to Washington, D.C. Very much like southwestern Connecticut is to NYC.
 
2014-03-13 09:22:57 AM

insano: Mrs.Sharpier: A southern state is surprised that in order to have peace, prosperity and quality education taxes must be raised on those making a living wage (if they're lucky to make a living wage in the first place)?

Color me shocked.

Northern Virginia is in no way 'Southern.'


I grew up in Fairfax county.  It used to be Southern.  My elementary school was named after a confederate commander.

Then, at some point in the 80s, we lost our Waffle King, and the high school got rid of Johnny Reb as their mascot. Then you knew it was no longer Southern.
 
2014-03-13 09:23:15 AM
Still way cheaper than New York State. We're #1 in blue state taxes.
 
2014-03-13 09:24:04 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: According to the article, the increasing assessment value and new tax rate in Prince Billy County, where I live, will result in tax bills that are 5.5% higher.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!

(Does a little bit of math...)

That's just an additional $203? Meh, never mind. Outrage quelled.


CSB:

My hometown wanted to establish a minimum property tax of $0.05 per acre for everyone with 1 acre or over, to help pay for the remodel of our community gym.
All of the property owners fought it tooth and nail.
Accordingly, the proposal failed, and the community gym had to establish membership fees, which were $30 a person/month. Most of the people who now use the gym range from having slightly less than an acre to 150 acres.

End CSB.
 
2014-03-13 09:25:17 AM

Deep Contact: Still way cheaper than New York State. We're #1 in blue state taxes.


Truth!
 
2014-03-13 09:25:39 AM

tlars699: Prank Call of Cthulhu: According to the article, the increasing assessment value and new tax rate in Prince Billy County, where I live, will result in tax bills that are 5.5% higher.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!

(Does a little bit of math...)

That's just an additional $203? Meh, never mind. Outrage quelled.

CSB:

My hometown wanted to establish a minimum property tax of $0.05 per acre for everyone with 1 acre or over, to help pay for the remodel of our community gym.
All of the property owners fought it tooth and nail.
Accordingly, the proposal failed, and the community gym had to establish membership fees, which were $30 a person/month. Most of the people who now use the gym range from having slightly less than an acre to 150 acres.

End CSB.


Which is only paid by the people who use the service. Seems pretty reasonable.
 
2014-03-13 09:26:37 AM

SlothB77: tax-and-spend


I never understood this term.  What is the government supposed to do with those taxes?  Keep them?

What's wrong with spending what you have taxed?

 liberals

Oh.
 
2014-03-13 09:27:07 AM
Such aggravation is boring into Northern Virginia officials who want to keep spending down in the still sputtering regional economy

lolwut?

Arlington is spending $800M on a goddamn streetcar, $80M on an "aquatics center" and $30M on a combo office/homeless shelter. But yeah, et's keep that spending down.

Meanwhile the roads are falling apart, office vacancy is at something like 40% (with more new office space on the way), assessments on some shops/restaurants along the orange line went up 50-80+% this year and despite frequent outages, they refuse to contribute funds to under-grounding power lines in high-density areas.
 
2014-03-13 09:29:01 AM

self_medicated: Funny, the article I read had people complaining about increases in taxes and DECREASES in services.  I must have clicked on the link wrong or something.


I think the point was this area had nice things but then the recession hit and the ability to fully fund those nice things disappeared.  Now the money is returning so its time to start paying for those nice things again.  Apparently some people have a problem with this.

The article also overlooks that as home values declined, so did their taxes.
 
2014-03-13 09:29:07 AM
So living in a civilized society actually costs money.  Who knew?
 
2014-03-13 09:29:16 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: JosephFinn: HotIgneous Intruder: fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.

Northern Virginia is not a blue state.
It's a blue region that slobs on the knob of the government teat, often generationally, and enjoys a standard of living "higher" than most of the rest of the nation, never mind the rest of Virginia. I put "higher" in quotes because it's only better if you like that kind of thing.

/Lived in Nova for a little over four years, left that stink hole of entitlement.
//Never looked back except to sneer.

You mean the part of Virginia that financially supports the rest of the state since it has the lowest percentages of people living below poverty so has the heavier tax burden?  That northern Virginia?

[www.vchr.vt.edu image 850x520]

I say again, Northern Virginia is not a blue state. It's a bedroom community to Washington, D.C. Very much like southwestern Connecticut is to NYC.


No one said it's a separate state.  You're just ignoring the defects in your excuse for an argument.
 
2014-03-13 09:29:36 AM
Because public roads, police, fire, infrastructure, schools, libraries, health care, military, and public health services are all liberal devices that the devil uses to tempt us into making sexy time.
 
2014-03-13 09:30:22 AM

SlothB77: Second, while NoVA is wealthy, it is also run by tax-and-spend liberals who have the money earmarked before they even collect it.  So even though we should have money coming up to our ears, we will soon be deep in debt.


Spending money before it's been collected has nothing to do with "tax-and-spend liberals."  It's not as if those "spend-thrift conservatives" in the south are running state governments with huge surpluses.
 
2014-03-13 09:31:29 AM

self_medicated: Funny, the article I read had people complaining about increases in taxes and DECREASES in services.  I must have clicked on the link wrong or something.


I was thinking the same thing. Submitter and I definitely didn't read the same article.
 
2014-03-13 09:31:47 AM

Zeb Hesselgresser: Because unskilled laborers need to paid $40+/hour and skilled tradesman upwards of $70/hr.  Every contract over $25,000 +/- .


Can you cite an example of unskilled laborers being paid $40+/hour with taxpayer money?
 
2014-03-13 09:32:00 AM

hasty ambush: fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.

That does not mean that they are not being overcharged for those "nice things".  Are they getting their monies worth or is most of it going to some inflated government employee union pension plan?

NYC certainly does not have low tax rate:

[graphics8.nytimes.com image 600x300]


I've been a resident of the city for nearly 10 years, many of those potholes are caused by extreme weather conditions, and they are repaired fairly quickly. but just like with the rest of the country if you are poor, expect a longer wait time. Considering there are 8million people here, I'd say my taxes are well spent. The schools are decent, there are clean(ish) parks, plenty of culture and low crime. BTW   177413 potholes wererepaired in 2014 (3/6/2014)

http://thedailypothole.tumblr.com/

/I've said it before and I'll say it again. Taxes are the price you pay for civilization. Don't want to live in a civilized city or state? Then by all means, dont pay taxes. Privatize everything. Let me know how well that works out for you.
 
2014-03-13 09:32:03 AM

squidgod2000: Such aggravation is boring into Northern Virginia officials who want to keep spending down in the still sputtering regional economy

lolwut?

Arlington is spending $800M on a goddamn streetcar, $80M on an "aquatics center" and $30M on a combo office/homeless shelter. But yeah, et's keep that spending down.

Meanwhile the roads are falling apart, office vacancy is at something like 40% (with more new office space on the way), assessments on some shops/restaurants along the orange line went up 50-80+% this year and despite frequent outages, they refuse to contribute funds to under-grounding power lines in high-density areas.


If only there was some way citizens could affect their local government.
 
2014-03-13 09:33:33 AM
This thread was done in 4.

As someone born and raised in Arlington, and enjoyed all that NoVA had to offer, here's a thought: Nice things cost money. Given that the public schools in the area are some of the best in the country, crime is incredibly low, there are lots of public services, and that the cost of the land for most houses is worth more than the house, None of this should be a surprise. Cost of living = High and getting higher. Deal with it.

, and to the rest of the state: You are dead weight on the great state that is Northern Virginia.
 
2014-03-13 09:33:37 AM

JosephFinn: HotIgneous Intruder: JosephFinn: HotIgneous Intruder: fluffy2097: Yeah, thats the thing about Blue states.

Taxes are usually higher because they have nice things.

Northern Virginia is not a blue state.
It's a blue region that slobs on the knob of the government teat, often generationally, and enjoys a standard of living "higher" than most of the rest of the nation, never mind the rest of Virginia. I put "higher" in quotes because it's only better if you like that kind of thing.

/Lived in Nova for a little over four years, left that stink hole of entitlement.
//Never looked back except to sneer.

You mean the part of Virginia that financially supports the rest of the state since it has the lowest percentages of people living below poverty so has the heavier tax burden?  That northern Virginia?

[www.vchr.vt.edu image 850x520]

I say again, Northern Virginia is not a blue state. It's a bedroom community to Washington, D.C. Very much like southwestern Connecticut is to NYC.

No one said it's a separate state.  You're just ignoring the defects in your excuse for an argument.


Beg your pardon, but the article and thread are about Northern Virginia and taxation there.
YOU brought up BLUE STATES. Nova is not a state, it's a region.
Kindly discontinue your painful obtuseness and attempted thread jacking and trolling and get on topic.
If you can wrap your mind around that kind of thing.
 
2014-03-13 09:35:46 AM

Molavian: How else are they going to pay all those public union pensions?


You know what the trade-off is? I am specifically exempted from Social Security. My employer does not pay the 7.2% employer SSI contribution that every other employer MUST, the theory being that they're supposed to be allocating that toward my retirement plan. I get nothing from Social Security, including disability. Even if I were to collect enough quarters through side work, a "windfall elimination" clause reduces my SS benefit by a huge percentage, since nothing was paid in on my primary employment.

Another trade-off: My employer is legally able to discriminate based on age. Not the bullshiat excuses and games in other sectors; in writing "we will not hire you after age X, you must retire when you hit age Y." I must retire at age 60, period. I don't get to say, "well, my 401 took a hit, so I guess I have to work a couple of more years." If I go into work on the night shift before my 60th birthday, they would send me home at midnight.

Society has decided that it's bad public policy to have 70-year old firemen. There needs to be a financial trade-off. Lawmakers have decided to exem
 
2014-03-13 09:36:54 AM

pkellmey: tlars699: Prank Call of Cthulhu: According to the article, the increasing assessment value and new tax rate in Prince Billy County, where I live, will result in tax bills that are 5.5% higher.

THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!

(Does a little bit of math...)

That's just an additional $203? Meh, never mind. Outrage quelled.

CSB:

My hometown wanted to establish a minimum property tax of $0.05 per acre for everyone with 1 acre or over, to help pay for the remodel of our community gym.
All of the property owners fought it tooth and nail.
Accordingly, the proposal failed, and the community gym had to establish membership fees, which were $30 a person/month. Most of the people who now use the gym range from having slightly less than an acre to 150 acres.

End CSB.

Which is only paid by the people who use the service. Seems pretty reasonable.


Did you miss the part where all of the people who use the service (over 35% of the town have memberships, mind you) could have paid just $7.50 a year at most, and now have to pay $360 a year? And it could have been used by everyone for far less money, but is now an elite social club?
And the city is now raking in the dough, instead of just using what would be needed to maintain it?

People have no math skills when it comes to taxes, and have no sense of value.
 
2014-03-13 09:37:56 AM

dukeblue219: Zeb Hesselgresser: Because unskilled laborers need to paid $40+/hour and skilled tradesman upwards of $70/hr.  Every contract over $25,000 +/- .

Can you cite an example of unskilled laborers being paid $40+/hour with taxpayer money?


Doubt it, but you can make the case for unskilled laborers costing taxpayers $40/hour when you figure in contracting and subcontracting. The laborer themselves might only make minimum wage, but that doesn't mean that's all ti cost to hire them.
 
2014-03-13 09:38:38 AM
Been covered on the Simpson's

Mayor Quimby: They want the bear patrol but they won't pay taxes for it. Are those morons getting dumber or just louder?

Assistant: [checks his clipboard] Dumber, sir.

Much Apu About Nothing --  Production Code:3F20 --  Original Airdate in N.A.: 5-May-96
 
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