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(Anchorage Daily News)   Putin playing Russian roulette? Will he remember to always bet on black?   (adn.com) divider line 24
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2014-03-13 08:54:15 AM  
Remember. For best effect, Use a beretta or other semi-automatic pistol.

No revolvers. Stop being a wuss.
 
2014-03-13 08:55:39 AM  
Putin is playing a dangerous game of Life.  Will he waste his money on Park Place, or will he sink our Battleship?
 
2014-03-13 08:59:01 AM  
"Congratulations, sir, that's a full house."

"Hit me"

"But sir, this isn-"

"HIT ME GODDAMN IT I SAID HIT ME"
 
2014-03-13 09:01:25 AM  
I think the under reported aspect of the whole Russia/Crimea situation is whether or not we were blindsided by this.  If the NSA truly is spying on everyone, everywhere, at all times (and I believe the are) - shouldn't they have seen this coming?  So did we know, yet are acting surprised because we don't want to play our hand, or did we just miss out on this one?  If the former, why even bother spying if we're going to play dumb anyway, and if the latter, what the fark NSA?  My money is on the latter, by the way.
 
2014-03-13 09:04:14 AM  

MattStafford: I think the under reported aspect of the whole Russia/Crimea situation is whether or not we were blindsided by this.  If the NSA truly is spying on everyone, everywhere, at all times (and I believe the are) - shouldn't they have seen this coming?  So did we know, yet are acting surprised because we don't want to play our hand, or did we just miss out on this one?  If the former, why even bother spying if we're going to play dumb anyway, and if the latter, what the fark NSA?  My money is on the latter, by the way.


Say we did know ahead of time, what could we have done differently?
 
2014-03-13 09:07:42 AM  

MattStafford: I think the under reported aspect of the whole Russia/Crimea situation is whether or not we were blindsided by this.  If the NSA truly is spying on everyone, everywhere, at all times (and I believe the are) - shouldn't they have seen this coming?  So did we know, yet are acting surprised because we don't want to play our hand, or did we just miss out on this one?  If the former, why even bother spying if we're going to play dumb anyway, and if the latter, what the fark NSA?  My money is on the latter, by the way.


It's almost like the guy who "released" the files on metadata also took the intel plans for Russia to Russia in payment for letting him live there.
 
2014-03-13 09:11:28 AM  

WTF Indeed: MattStafford: I think the under reported aspect of the whole Russia/Crimea situation is whether or not we were blindsided by this.  If the NSA truly is spying on everyone, everywhere, at all times (and I believe the are) - shouldn't they have seen this coming?  So did we know, yet are acting surprised because we don't want to play our hand, or did we just miss out on this one?  If the former, why even bother spying if we're going to play dumb anyway, and if the latter, what the fark NSA?  My money is on the latter, by the way.

It's almost like the guy who "released" the files on metadata also took the intel plans for Russia to Russia in payment for letting him live there.


So you're saying the Russians are now free from US surveillance?
 
2014-03-13 09:13:17 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Say we did know ahead of time, what could we have done differently?


Put some ships in the Black Sea prior to it happening, would be a thought.  Take a more proactive stance with regards to the revolution in Ukraine - offer to send in election monitors, try to get the UN involved, etc.  Make it an international situation prior to Russia invading.  Would that have tipped our hand though?
 
2014-03-13 09:14:42 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: So you're saying the Russians are now free from US surveillance?


No, there are several layers of surveillance, so when you give an enemy the blueprints to the higher levels of surveillance you lose operational knowledge of their military and government actions. You know, the kind of thing that is really helpful if you say, have to remove them from a nation they invaded.
 
2014-03-13 09:16:21 AM  

WTF Indeed: It's almost like the guy who "released" the files on metadata also took the intel plans for Russia to Russia in payment for letting him live there.


Yeah, ok.  Perhaps again this is just the US refusing to tip its hand, but if Russia did receive the documents and those documents did allow for Russia to alter its communication strategy to effectively prevent spying, wouldn't you think that the NSA defenders would have trumpeted this news throughout the land?  I mean, if they have evidence of this (which one would have to assume they have if Russia switched its strategy), they have a publicly acceptable reason for labeling Snowden a traitor.  But they haven't done that.  Waiting for a big reveal?
 
2014-03-13 09:17:06 AM  

WTF Indeed: No, there are several layers of surveillance, so when you give an enemy the blueprints to the higher levels of surveillance you lose operational knowledge of their military and government actions. You know, the kind of thing that is really helpful if you say, have to remove them from a nation they invaded.


Show me any evidence Snowden did such a thing.
 
2014-03-13 09:18:09 AM  

MattStafford: HotWingConspiracy: Say we did know ahead of time, what could we have done differently?

Put some ships in the Black Sea prior to it happening, would be a thought.Take a more proactive stance with regards to the revolution in Ukraine - offer to send in election monitors, try to get the UN involved, etc.  Make it an international situation prior to Russia invading.  Would that have tipped our hand though?


Yeah they aren't retarded. American ships suddenly deciding to hang out in the area would have only escalated things and put us in a position where we couldn't back away. I don't get why everyone is loathe to admit that we just don't care that much about Ukraine, and we're not going to undertake any heroics on their behalf. This is a European problem and we'll chip in with sanctions but that's basically it.
 
2014-03-13 09:19:47 AM  

WTF Indeed: HotWingConspiracy: So you're saying the Russians are now free from US surveillance?

No, there are several layers of surveillance, so when you give an enemy the blueprints to the higher levels of surveillance you lose operational knowledge of their military and government actions.


Massive amount of speculation going on here.

You know, the kind of thing that is really helpful if you say, have to remove them from a nation they invaded.

"Have to"? We don't have to do shiat, and that type of confrontation with Russia doesn't serve our interests.
 
2014-03-13 09:25:18 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: "Have to"? We don't have to do shiat, and that type of confrontation with Russia doesn't serve our interests.


"If" is a hard concept for you. War planning is an integral part of the engineering of war.
 
2014-03-13 09:27:00 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Yeah they aren't retarded. American ships suddenly deciding to hang out in the area would have only escalated things and put us in a position where we couldn't back away. I don't get why everyone is loathe to admit that we just don't care that much about Ukraine, and we're not going to undertake any heroics on their behalf. This is a European problem and we'll chip in with sanctions but that's basically it.


Don't get me wrong, I agree with you.  In the grand scheme of things, Russia is going to get Crimea and the West isn't going to do shiat about it.  It just isn't worth it.

I'm just curious as this is the first big power play by a foreign country since the NSA documents came to light, and while I do understand that there is something to be said about keeping quiet about what you know, it seems like an ideal time for the NSA to justify their actions at least a little bit.  Instead it seems we were caught relatively unaware.  Again, I could be wrong about that.
 
2014-03-13 09:27:56 AM  

WTF Indeed: HotWingConspiracy: "Have to"? We don't have to do shiat, and that type of confrontation with Russia doesn't serve our interests.

"If" is a hard concept for you. War planning is an integral part of the engineering of war.


So if not for Snowden, we could have wasted some time with useless posturing.
 
2014-03-13 10:13:21 AM  
Putin is playing poker.
And badly.
 
2014-03-13 10:34:33 AM  
In women's tennis, always bet against the heterosexual!
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2014-03-13 10:42:49 AM  
If we hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
 
2014-03-13 10:57:18 AM  
As far as I can tell, Putin screwed up horribly. I think that the West is going to come out on top, without really ever having to do anything.

I almost wonder if we should leave him no honorable exit strategy, just to hold Putin over the fire for this.

He's lost his UN veto (which has been a HUGE deal), he's already had to sink $10B into stabilizing his economy over this..... which hasn't worked fully, and sanctions would devastate him.

I'm pretty certain that he knows he messed up, and that if he wants to try to keep Crimea, it will be temporary, and it will bankrupt his nation. And if he really wants war...... he would have a rough time even if the West decides not to back the Ukraine...... and he'll lose if we do.
 
2014-03-13 11:47:58 AM  

Sammichless: He's lost his UN veto


Wait, what?

Are you sure you are in the same reality as the rest of us here? Because as far as I can judge, Russia is still a permanent member of UN security council with the right of veto.
 
2014-03-13 02:30:55 PM  

fluffy2097: Remember. For best effect, Use a beretta or other semi-automatic pistol.

No revolvers. Stop being a wuss.


Soviet Patparine, nine-point-two milimeter, is world's most powerful handgun.
 
2014-03-13 02:34:32 PM  
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2014-03-13 04:59:54 PM  
There is little that can be done to stop Crimea going to Russia if Russia is going to move troops in there to occupy the region.  That said, I think Russia is going to be sorry in the long run.  Between the sanctions and driving the rest of Ukraine into the arms of the west, their economy is going to suffer big time.
 
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