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(ABC)   Idaho hockey fans sue arena after someone discovers $7 cups hold the same amount of beer as $4 ones   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 126
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2014-03-12 09:33:31 PM  
As a Canadian, I approve.
 
2014-03-12 09:44:15 PM  
Now that is just seriously chickensh*t

/assholes deserve to be sued
//FREE BEER AT ALL GAMES NEXT SEASON!
 
2014-03-12 09:52:14 PM  
So you're getting really a large when you pay for a small?  Sounds like a great deal.
 
2014-03-12 09:58:17 PM  
How long had this been going on? It should have taken fans about 1 beer to notice this.
 
2014-03-12 10:32:37 PM  
They say that they were shooting for 16oz and 20oz and will now go for 24oz "large".   Math says that they have to go to 28oz for a large to be equal in value.

/thieves still
 
2014-03-12 11:20:58 PM  
I wonder if the 20oz fitting in the 16oz cup (cost per ounce be damned) was due to the people who were pouring the beer not knowing how to properly fill a beer cup and getting way too much head in the bigger cup.
 
2014-03-12 11:55:55 PM  

Bob Falfa: How long had this been going on? It should have taken fans about 1 beer to notice this.


No kidding! TFA references five years!

Five years and no one noticed?
 
2014-03-12 11:57:55 PM  

Confabulat: Bob Falfa: How long had this been going on? It should have taken fans about 1 beer to notice this.

No kidding! TFA references five years!

Five years and no one noticed?


Well, for one thing, Idaho

/for another hockey fans
//five years seems reasonable to me
 
2014-03-13 12:38:42 AM  
And their beer sucks!

blstb.msn.com
 
2014-03-13 01:21:28 AM  

BizarreMan: I wonder if the 20oz fitting in the 16oz cup (cost per ounce be damned) was due to the people who were pouring the beer not knowing how to properly fill a beer cup and getting way too much head in the bigger cup.


videos show them using water as well later on to show that the volumes of the cups are nearly identical.
 
2014-03-13 01:22:11 AM  
Just how stupid does one need to be to take five years to figure this out?  Now if the venue say.. claims a "small" at 16 oz and a "large" at 26 oz but they are actually the same size 16 oz then sure.  Other than that it's just a stupid tax.
 
2014-03-13 01:22:20 AM  
Do what they did at Safeco Field when they got caught doing this "Oops ordered the wrong cups."
 
2014-03-13 01:22:32 AM  
two girls....same cup?
 
2014-03-13 01:23:19 AM  
Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html
 
2014-03-13 01:25:01 AM  
You would still get more beer for $8 for two smalls than $7 for the big one and you have two hands. Figure it out.
 
2014-03-13 01:27:21 AM  
They say the cups are 20oz and 16oz, which is a scam in itself based on the prices charged, but the videos show it's more like a 17oz "large" vs the 16oz "small" size cups which is an even bigger ripoff.
 
2014-03-13 01:28:03 AM  
The upgrade only goes into effect after your 3rd beer.

How long did it take 'em to notice LOL??
 
2014-03-13 01:28:30 AM  
This's why I just bring a couple of flasks with me to sporting events.
 
2014-03-13 01:28:49 AM  
Then those who paid $4 should have to pay an additional $3 on the basis that, hey, they got the same amount as the large.
 
2014-03-13 01:29:15 AM  

saturn badger: You would still get more beer for $8 for two smalls than $7 for the big one and you have two hands. Figure it out.


Why do you hate honesty in business?
 
2014-03-13 01:29:35 AM  

nytmare: They say the cups are 20oz and 16oz, which is a scam in itself based on the prices charged, but the videos show it's more like a 17oz "large" vs the 16oz "small" size cups which is an even bigger ripoff.


It's incredibly sad that we are losing common sense at such an alarming rate.

/two larges please
 
2014-03-13 01:29:46 AM  
Off to look for a quick ratio app. At the grocery I tend to purchase on unit price. Was shopping at Lowes where the same cleaning wipes come in six different prices and quantities.

/hotdog stand out front should really sell beer
//and now know to buy two smalls.
///never ordered a small before.
 
2014-03-13 01:29:58 AM  

Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html


So they can show a pattern of deliberate misrepresentation even.  Lovely.  That'll make the lawsuit go a lot smoother.

Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.  No "large" and "small", they can only call it "16oz" and "20oz".  Not just for sports arenas either; amusement parks, carnivals, concert venues, outdoor markets... plenty of areas that pull the same crap.
 
2014-03-13 01:31:45 AM  
I've been at a few venues where I've wondered if this was the case...sometimes it's obvious that one beer is bigger than the other but sometimes I wonder if it's just the vendors using people's ignorance against them.  I generally avoid ordering draft beers at sporting events and concerts for this very reason unless it's a situation where the person is carrying the tray of beers and empty cups so you know you're getting the whole beer.

On a side note every stadium in America should have a shelf above the urinals so you can set your beer down while you pee...it severely minimizes the possibility of someone accidentally dropping one into the urinal they're using and that's a positive for them and the people on either side of them.
 
2014-03-13 01:31:46 AM  
He renames it Heath and Gwen size; is promptly sued again.
 
2014-03-13 01:33:22 AM  

yukichigai: Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html

So they can show a pattern of deliberate misrepresentation even.  Lovely.  That'll make the lawsuit go a lot smoother.

Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.  No "large" and "small", they can only call it "16oz" and "20oz".  Not just for sports arenas either; amusement parks, carnivals, concert venues, outdoor markets... plenty of areas that pull the same crap.


I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2014-03-13 01:33:51 AM  
I got away with nearly the same thing with my ex-wife for nearly 3 yrs.
 
2014-03-13 01:33:53 AM  

saturn badger: You would still get more beer for $8 for two smalls than $7 for the big one and you have two hands. Figure it out.


yeah, but I don't think I've actually been in a stadium that gives you a greater value on the larger beers. They rely on people just assuming bigger is better.

I know the manager of some of the vendor stalls and other venues at Comerica Park, and he's told me they have psychologists on the payroll to help maximize the effect of sizing and pricing of drinks and some food items, even making changes to the shapes of glasses to maximize the idea of getting far more than what you are actually served.
 
2014-03-13 01:35:32 AM  
That's why I just smuggle booze in using my stomach.
 
2014-03-13 01:37:09 AM  
At spring training at the Diablo stadium (angels) a few years ago I didn't have the option to buy two larges, quantity was limited to two smalls or one large at a time, not sure what the volumes of the cups were though.
 
2014-03-13 01:38:43 AM  
history repeats itself as farce
 
2014-03-13 01:46:27 AM  
Wait, you can get a beer for $4 at an arena !?
 
2014-03-13 01:47:41 AM  

Torion!: Off to look for a quick ratio app.


isn't that called a "calculator"?
 
2014-03-13 01:47:56 AM  

yukichigai: Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html

So they can show a pattern of deliberate misrepresentation even.  Lovely.  That'll make the lawsuit go a lot smoother.

Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.  No "large" and "small", they can only call it "16oz" and "20oz".  Not just for sports arenas either; amusement parks, carnivals, concert venues, outdoor markets... plenty of areas that pull the same crap.


Totaly agree and they never fix it until they get caught which can take yeas as this case clearly shows.
 
2014-03-13 01:53:30 AM  

BizarreMan: I wonder if the 20oz fitting in the 16oz cup (cost per ounce be damned) was due to the people who were pouring the beer not knowing how to properly fill a beer cup and getting way too much head in the bigger cup.


I found getting married helped solve this problem.
 
2014-03-13 01:54:11 AM  
Idiots! This is why you get blakout drunk in the parkinglot before you enter the stadium. With my method you never have to worry about buying beer once the game starts.
 
2014-03-13 01:56:52 AM  
didn't I read this in the sports tab a couple days ago?
 
2014-03-13 01:59:22 AM  

yukichigai: Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.


Why should there be such a law? Should there be a law requiring them to offer small and large? Maybe medium as well? Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price? Perhaps a law insuring that they have your favorite beer on tap? I'd like to see a law that requires people like you to be sterilized as soon as your lunacy is detected.
 
2014-03-13 02:01:10 AM  

Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html


Seems like this is a CenturyLink issue...
 
2014-03-13 02:01:27 AM  

proteus_b: yukichigai: Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.

Why should there be such a law? Should there be a law requiring them to offer small and large? Maybe medium as well? Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price? Perhaps a law insuring that they have your favorite beer on tap? I'd like to see a law that requires people like you to be sterilized as soon as your lunacy is detected.


Yes, because all of those things are TOTALLY the same as requiring vendors to tell you the actual measurable size of the beverage you are about to purchase so you can figure out if they're trying to cheat you.
 
2014-03-13 02:03:50 AM  

proteus_b: yukichigai: Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.

Why should there be such a law? Should there be a law requiring them to offer small and large? Maybe medium as well? Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price? Perhaps a law insuring that they have your favorite beer on tap? I'd like to see a law that requires people like you to be sterilized as soon as your lunacy is detected.


BINGO!!!!!! YESSSS!!!!

Reductio ad absurdum was the last logical fallacy I needed on today's bingo sheet to get the win. Thanks so much for that.
 
2014-03-13 02:04:24 AM  
beer is overpriced at sporting events?
omg.
 
2014-03-13 02:06:30 AM  
Sounds like a visitor tax- home fans would have been fooled at most once.  Visiting fans wouldn't know until it was too late.
 
2014-03-13 02:08:10 AM  

yukichigai: Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html

So they can show a pattern of deliberate misrepresentation even.  Lovely.  That'll make the lawsuit go a lot smoother.

Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.  No "large" and "small", they can only call it "16oz" and "20oz".  Not just for sports arenas either; amusement parks, carnivals, concert venues, outdoor markets... plenty of areas that pull the same crap.


So, Starbucks will actually be OK with the Venti, then?
 
2014-03-13 02:11:05 AM  

hardinparamedic: And their beer sucks!


And "they're" beer sucks..
/ficksed becuz beer..
//mmmm..drunk beer.
 
2014-03-13 02:11:59 AM  

proteus_b: yukichigai: Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.

Why should there be such a law? Should there be a law requiring them to offer small and large? Maybe medium as well? Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price? Perhaps a law insuring that they have your favorite beer on tap? I'd like to see a law that requires people like you to be sterilized as soon as your lunacy is detected.



Look how dumb you are.
 
2014-03-13 02:15:27 AM  
Also, a bowl of soup has the same amount as a cup of soup. Or so I've been told by two restaurateurs.


/restaurateurs, odd word
 
2014-03-13 02:16:17 AM  

KidKorporate: yukichigai: Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html

So they can show a pattern of deliberate misrepresentation even.  Lovely.  That'll make the lawsuit go a lot smoother.

Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.  No "large" and "small", they can only call it "16oz" and "20oz".  Not just for sports arenas either; amusement parks, carnivals, concert venues, outdoor markets... plenty of areas that pull the same crap.

So, Starbucks will actually be OK with the Venti, then?


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2014-03-13 02:17:20 AM  
I was just at a bar that featured a 16 OZ Pint and a 20 OZ Pint. That must be fun to see when you're OCD.
 
2014-03-13 02:17:41 AM  

PreMortem: Also, a bowl of soup has the same amount as a cup of soup. Or so I've been told by two restaurateurs.


/restaurateurs, odd word


Nah I've worked in plenty of restaurants and that's not true where I've worked. Most people never eat more than a cup though.
 
2014-03-13 02:19:25 AM  

KidKorporate: yukichigai: Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html

So they can show a pattern of deliberate misrepresentation even.  Lovely.  That'll make the lawsuit go a lot smoother.

Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.  No "large" and "small", they can only call it "16oz" and "20oz".  Not just for sports arenas either; amusement parks, carnivals, concert venues, outdoor markets... plenty of areas that pull the same crap.

So, Starbucks will actually be OK with the Venti, then?


Well yeah, for two reasons.  One, they list the actual ounce size of their beverages in quite a few places that are easy to find.  They have to as a brick-and-mortar store; concessions stands don't.  Two, their entire business model isn't built around deception and having a captive audience.  Starbucks may be a business built around charging too much for mediocre coffee, but they don't then go the extra mile by trying to make you pay double the amount for 4 ounces more liquid.  Starbucks and brick-and-mortar restaurants aren't the ones ripping people off in this manner.

If it really became a sticking point though I'd be okay with a law that required the actual ounce measurement to be included in the name of the size for all businesses, e.g. "Venti 24oz", etc.  People would still order a Grande half-caff light soy almond mocha frappuchino with an extra shot, but the signage would say "Grande 16oz" now.
 
2014-03-13 02:20:06 AM  

KidKorporate: So, Starbucks will actually be OK with the Venti, then?


All I know is that a tall is a small.
 
2014-03-13 02:20:21 AM  

proteus_b: yukichigai: Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.

Why should there be such a law? Should there be a law requiring them to offer small and large? Maybe medium as well? Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price? Perhaps a law insuring that they have your favorite beer on tap? I'd like to see a law that requires people like you to be sterilized as soon as your lunacy is detected.


I just wanted to join the list of people laughing at you.
 
2014-03-13 02:22:13 AM  

proteus_b: Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price?


Heck yeah there should.
 
2014-03-13 02:22:18 AM  

proteus_b: yukichigai: Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.

Why should there be such a law? Should there be a law requiring them to offer small and large? Maybe medium as well? Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price? Perhaps a law insuring that they have your favorite beer on tap? I'd like to see a law that requires people like you to be sterilized as soon as your lunacy is detected.


Yep, this is the dumbest thing I'll read on the internet this week.
 
2014-03-13 02:23:43 AM  

yukichigai: Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html

So they can show a pattern of deliberate misrepresentation even.  Lovely.  That'll make the lawsuit go a lot smoother.

Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.  No "large" and "small", they can only call it "16oz" and "20oz".  Not just for sports arenas either; amusement parks, carnivals, concert venues, outdoor markets... plenty of areas that pull the same crap.


CenturyLink Field
CenturyLink Arena

Seattle
Boise

Not the same place.
No pattern established.
 
2014-03-13 02:26:02 AM  
arentol:
CenturyLink Field
CenturyLink Arena

Seattle
Boise

Not the same place.
No pattern established.


If the same company owns both arenas and both are engaging in the same type of fraud, that's definitely a pattern.
 
2014-03-13 02:26:36 AM  

yukichigai: If the same company owns both arenas and both are engaging in the same type of fraud, that's definitely a pattern.


Companies don't own arenas, they just lease the names.
 
2014-03-13 02:28:45 AM  

Confabulat: yukichigai: If the same company owns both arenas and both are engaging in the same type of fraud, that's definitely a pattern.

Companies don't own arenas, they just lease the names.


Well good thing I said "if" then. :P
 
2014-03-13 02:32:54 AM  

C18H27NO3: proteus_b: Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price?

Heck yeah there should.


That's called customer service; it's the difference between a coffee shop I visit once and complain about and a coffee shop I visit regularly and tell my friends to go to.

orangehat: On a side note every stadium in America should have a shelf above the urinals so you can set your beer down while you pee...it severely minimizes the possibility of someone accidentally dropping one into the urinal they're using and that's a positive for them and the people on either side of them.


Why stop at stadiums? I say every public bathroom in Seattle should have this so I can set down my Venti-quad shot-caramel-mocha-soy-latte when I have to make room for MOAR COFFEE!!!

/really I'm a 'shots over ice' kinda guy, but it sounded better that way
//DON'T JUDGE ME!
 
2014-03-13 02:41:48 AM  

flamark: KidKorporate: So, Starbucks will actually be OK with the Venti, then?

All I know is that a tall is a small.


You can get a short, it's like a Dixie cup
 
2014-03-13 02:42:21 AM  
Hmm...

16oz beer / $3 = ¢18.75 per oz.
24oz beer / $7 = ¢29.16 per oz.

Doesn't seem like the new cups really address the issue very well. You should get a discount for the greater amount, not a penalty. To make the numbers figure straight you'd need to charge $4.50 for the 24oz beer. Alternatively you could offer a 38oz beer for $7 which would be a slight discount.

I do have to say that $3 for a 16 oz beer at a sports arena sounds pretty cheap. I'd expect to pay $6 or more.
 
2014-03-13 02:45:32 AM  
 
2014-03-13 02:46:43 AM  
Brainsick:

Why stop at stadiums? I say every public bathroom in Seattle should have this so I can set down my Venti-quad shot-caramel-mocha-soy-latte when I have to make room for MOAR COFFEE!!!

That's a good idea too...I mentioned stadiums because it's the only place I've ever seen one and the next time I went to a different stadium I put it on the comment card as something they should do.  They should also do this in bars or pretty much any place where people would bring a drink into a bathroom.  They should probably have something similar in women's bathrooms but I don't use them so for all I know they have something like that already.
A lot of times the stalls at stadiums have the toilet paper thing that holds two rolls and is flat on the top so that's usually not an issue but sometimes it's easier to get a beer or two and wait for the line to die down than it is to wait in line and then get beers...
I've spent a lot of time thinking about this over the years but as a person who has attended roughly 30 to 100+ sporting events and concerts every year for the last decade or more it's something that I've noticed.  The thing is that it really wouldn't cost all that much and would be a huge improvement to every stadium.
 
2014-03-13 02:54:50 AM  

Bob Falfa: How long had this been going on? It should have taken fans about 1 beer to notice this.


Can't figure it out on one beer.  You need at least two.  You gotta look at it this way.  First you order the small beer and drink it and then later you order a large beer and drink that.  That's when you first notice that the small and large maybe had the same about of beer but you aren't sure.  So you decide to order another large and small beer to test that theory.  You drink those but you aren't sure yet so you decide to increase your control group.  You down a couple more large and small beers to test it out and then you rip off your shirt and yell at the opposing teams goalie that their a biatch and you could take them in a one on one.  Repeat process each game and soon you realize why it took so long.
 
2014-03-13 02:55:23 AM  
"CenturyLink officials announced a short time later that the company would purchase new cups for the large beers that would hold 24 ounces instead of the previous 20 ounces for a bigger difference in size."
-=-

So four more ounces for 3.00? Screw that, give me two 4.00 cups. That means I get 16 ounces for just a buck more.
 
2014-03-13 02:56:53 AM  
It always amazes me how places like that, which already charge ripoff prices, just can't seem to resist going further to screw people and have to veer off in to illegal territory. I can understand (though not support) when something is being offered cut-rate and they are struggling to make money trying to find a way to get more. However stadium food and drink is stupidly profitable. Those $4 beers probably cost them on the order of $0.30-$0.50 between cup and alcohol at the prices they pay (you get good deals when you are that large). So they are making several hundred percent profit. No problem, fans are happy to pay it. But then, rather than making a large which you give someone more and thus make more money on, they have to go and screw people over.

Frankly I'd like to see places that do this nailed with massive fines. Say, take the cost difference between the small and the large and triple it. Then they pay that for each one sold. Maybe that'd teach them to knock it off.

I don't mind businesses charging whatever they like, if you as a consumer don't like it, don't buy it. However deceptive practices are bullshiat, and usually illegal to boot.
 
2014-03-13 03:01:21 AM  
The monsters!!!
 
2014-03-13 03:06:33 AM  

Popular Opinion: beer is overpriced at sporting events?
omg.


Admission to sporting events is overpriced at sporting events as well.

Fark em! I'll stay home and fall asleep watching em from the comfort of my own couch.
 
2014-03-13 03:22:04 AM  
Been caught stealin'.  So, business in America is now just, optimally, whatever con you can get away with?
 
2014-03-13 03:27:27 AM  
16:4 as 28:7

Kick their asses.
 
2014-03-13 03:35:26 AM  

yukichigai: arentol:
CenturyLink Field
CenturyLink Arena

Seattle
Boise

Not the same place.
No pattern established.

If the same Concessions company owns the Concessions contracts  at both arenas and both are engaging in the same type of fraud, that's definitely a pattern.


Fixed that for you.

Usually Concessions are run by a company that is contracted by the arena, with the exception of selling team merchandise thats usually run by the team but not always.
 
2014-03-13 03:49:25 AM  

sycraft: It always amazes me how places like that, which already charge ripoff prices, just can't seem to resist going further to screw people and have to veer off in to illegal territory. I can understand (though not support) when something is being offered cut-rate and they are struggling to make money trying to find a way to get more. However stadium food and drink is stupidly profitable. Those $4 beers probably cost them on the order of $0.30-$0.50 between cup and alcohol at the prices they pay (you get good deals when you are that large). So they are making several hundred percent profit. No problem, fans are happy to pay it. But then, rather than making a large which you give someone more and thus make more money on, they have to go and screw people over.

Frankly I'd like to see places that do this nailed with massive fines. Say, take the cost difference between the small and the large and triple it. Then they pay that for each one sold. Maybe that'd teach them to knock it off.

I don't mind businesses charging whatever they like, if you as a consumer don't like it, don't buy it. However deceptive practices are bullshiat, and usually illegal to boot.


Let's just estimate the alleged illegal profits. For every dollar of that estimate, they have to give away one $4 beer for $1.
 
2014-03-13 03:50:18 AM  
Reductio ad absurdum isn't a logical fallacy, although of course it can be used improperly as I expect most things can.
 
2014-03-13 04:21:27 AM  

mnemonic device: Reductio ad absurdum isn't a logical fallacy, although of course it can be used improperly as I expect most things can.


well, you could go with slippery slope or appeal to ridicule, but he actually did, in his own special way, try to illustrate logical consequences of his argument/view on the matter. When he does that, rao becomes a logical fallacy
 
2014-03-13 04:28:49 AM  
This past thanksgiving, I bought a load of cans of Bruce's Yams because I was making several loads of sweet potato casserole. I found that two different sizes of cans contained the same amount of sweet potatoes.. I was pretty pissed but not sure what to do about it. One can listed the weight of only the sweet potatoes inside and the other listed the weight of both the sweet potato and the syrup they're packed in. I want to say one can was 16 oz. and the other was 24 oz. and both cans contained 12 oz of yams.
 
2014-03-13 06:10:33 AM  

bunner: Been caught stealin'.  So, business in America is now just, optimally, whatever con you can get away with?


Now?  That's how it's always been.


Anyway, if I were king, there'd be random, unannounced audits and I'd revoke the liquor licenses of establishments found to be short-pouring customers.
 
2014-03-13 06:23:21 AM  
I'm not going to mention the brand, but I am sure it applies to most brands. A small keg of beer costs about 35 cents LESS per 12 oz. serving, "here", compared to buying it in bottles.
 
2014-03-13 06:42:02 AM  
What about the ticket prices? $75 for a small ticket and $ 125 for a large?
 
2014-03-13 06:43:24 AM  
I used to know a pub in Seattle that did something like this. A 12 oz. bottle of any beverage would fill one of their (so-called by them) "pint" glasses to the brim. They apparently bought special glasses that were the same size and style as everyone else's pints but with thicker glass.
 
2014-03-13 06:53:48 AM  
orangehat: That's a good idea too...I mentioned stadiums because it's the only place I've ever seen one and the next time I went to a different stadium I put it on the comment card as something they should do.  They should also do this in bars or pretty much any place where people would bring a drink into a bathroom.  They should probably have something similar in women's bathrooms but I don't use them so for all I know they have something like that already.

No offense, but what kind of idiot doesn't buy his beer on the way from the loo instead of on the way to it?

And if you say you already had it, then you're doing it wrong.  The idea is to finish it off and get another like the good consumer that you are.

Now, why again would the stadium want to make it easy for your cheapass self to nurse that one small beer?

/All that said, I'm completely supportive of a shelf to put your stuff down; though, whenever I run across one, I always suspect/know it's not been cleaned in eons and I don't want all those germs on my stuff.
 
2014-03-13 07:00:45 AM  
This is why we in the UK have the weights and measures act. You can only sell beer in 1/3, 1/2 or full pints. You can only sell spirits in multiples of 25ml. You must not serve short measures.


Booze. It's serious business.
 
2014-03-13 07:13:58 AM  

Confabulat: yukichigai: If the same company owns both arenas and both are engaging in the same type of fraud, that's definitely a pattern.

Companies don't own arenas, they just lease the names.


In most cases you are right.  A notable exception is Nationwide Arena in Columbus.  Definitely owned by Nationwide.
 
2014-03-13 07:31:32 AM  
Me and Warren Z say Hit Somebody!
 
2014-03-13 07:41:55 AM  
I see the price of a small beer going to $7.
 
2014-03-13 07:46:00 AM  

yukichigai: If it really became a sticking point though I'd be okay with a law that required the actual ounce measurement to be included in the name of the size for all businesses, e.g. "Venti 24oz", etc. People would still order a Grande half-caff light soy almond mocha frappuchino with an extra shot, but the signage would say "Grande 16oz" now.



You mean like when Subway was caught selling footlongs that where really 10 inches, and their response, was "Footlong is just a name and not a measurement. In fact we don't see how anyone could take it to mean that they are supposed to get 12 inches of sandwhich, just because we named it the footlong"
 
2014-03-13 07:51:53 AM  

Pick: I'm not going to mention the brand, but I am sure it applies to most brands. A small keg of beer costs about 35 cents LESS per 12 oz. serving, "here", compared to buying it in bottles.


Isn't that the point of buying a keg?
 
2014-03-13 07:54:58 AM  

saturn badger: You would still get more beer for $8 for two smalls than $7 for the big one and you have two hands. Figure it out.


One beer per transaction.
 
2014-03-13 08:09:53 AM  

saturn badger: You would still get more beer for $8 for two smalls than $7 for the big one and you have two hands. Figure it out.


Reminds me of when McD's sold 10 nuggets for ~$4 but you could buy 3 orders of 4 nuggets for $3
 
2014-03-13 08:12:28 AM  

ElPollotonto: saturn badger: You would still get more beer for $8 for two smalls than $7 for the big one and you have two hands. Figure it out.

Reminds me of when McD's sold 10 nuggets for ~$4 but you could buy 3 orders of 4 nuggets for $3


Which one do you think has been sitting under the heat lamp the longest?
 
2014-03-13 08:27:12 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: ElPollotonto: saturn badger: You would still get more beer for $8 for two smalls than $7 for the big one and you have two hands. Figure it out.

Reminds me of when McD's sold 10 nuggets for ~$4 but you could buy 3 orders of 4 nuggets for $3

Which one do you think has been sitting under the heat lamp the longest?


I used to always ask that they be fried fresh.  I had to wait at the door, and they were probably just dropped in the oil again, but they were always lava hot.  Probably full of spit too, but they were lava hot.
 
2014-03-13 08:28:07 AM  

vinniethepoo: I used to know a pub in Seattle that did something like this. A 12 oz. bottle of any beverage would fill one of their (so-called by them) "pint" glasses to the brim. They apparently bought special glasses that were the same size and style as everyone else's pints but with thicker glass.


Nearly every bar in America does this with 14 oz glasses.
 
2014-03-13 08:28:17 AM  
I've seen this in bars and resturants  around town.  Most notabley it's  in Mexican resturants.  My wife had ordered a jumbo margaritta. It seemed HUGE. However the waitress left an empty normal size margarita glass on our table.  I decided to have some and poured the jumbo margarita into the empty, normal sized glass. To our surprise, the entire jumbo magarita  barely filled the normal sized glass. I tossed in some ice and it was clear the only difference in the two sizes was the amount of ice.

We also noticed this at another upscale mexican resturant that features premium margaritas which, if you want you can order a pitcher of margarittas. I noticed the margarita glasses that came with the pitcher were smaller than the standard glasses.  Once again, we took a normal sized margarita glass and poured from the pitcher and discovered the pitcher actually held 2.5 normal sized margaritas, but cost the price of 3.5 margarittas. If you used the smaller glasses you would pour just over 4 glasses thinking you got a slight break.
 
2014-03-13 09:00:59 AM  
Paging Piaget. Piaget to thread 8177658.
 
2014-03-13 09:05:50 AM  

Confabulat: yukichigai: If the same company owns both arenas and both are engaging in the same type of fraud, that's definitely a pattern.

Companies don't own arenas, they just lease the names.


True, but the reason they do this is to advertise. I'm not sure Century Link is getting a good return by having their name associated with thieving beer thieves.
 
2014-03-13 09:13:24 AM  
I don't get angry about this kind of thing anymore. But, it's a very big reason why I don't attend events anymore, and rarely even go out for dinner. For me, feeling ripped off trumps anything positive about the experience.
 
2014-03-13 09:20:30 AM  

proteus_b: yukichigai: Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.

Why should there be such a law? Should there be a law requiring them to offer small and large? Maybe medium as well? Should there be a law requiring them to make a drink of any size you request, at any price? Perhaps a law insuring that they have your favorite beer on tap? I'd like to see a law that requires people like you to be sterilized as soon as your lunacy is detected.


You should be sterilized immediately.
 
2014-03-13 10:03:32 AM  

Danger Mouse: I've seen this in bars and resturants  around town.  Most notabley it's  in Mexican resturants.  My wife had ordered a jumbo margaritta. It seemed HUGE. However the waitress left an empty normal size margarita glass on our table.  I decided to have some and poured the jumbo margarita into the empty, normal sized glass. To our surprise, the entire jumbo magarita  barely filled the normal sized glass. I tossed in some ice and it was clear the only difference in the two sizes was the amount of ice.

We also noticed this at another upscale mexican resturant that features premium margaritas which, if you want you can order a pitcher of margarittas. I noticed the margarita glasses that came with the pitcher were smaller than the standard glasses.  Once again, we took a normal sized margarita glass and poured from the pitcher and discovered the pitcher actually held 2.5 normal sized margaritas, but cost the price of 3.5 margarittas. If you used the smaller glasses you would pour just over 4 glasses thinking you got a slight break.


You fail at drinking margaritas if you could do this math.
 
2014-03-13 10:10:28 AM  
I've seen this several times in many restaurants...

Hamburger: $2.50
Cheeseburger: $3.00

bottom of menu: add cheese to any order: $0.25.

Can I sue?
 
2014-03-13 11:31:38 AM  

Bob_Laublaw: I was just at a bar that featured a 16 OZ Pint and a 20 OZ Pint. That must be fun to see when you're OCD.


...and don't know that both are correct, depending on which side of the Atlantic Ocean you're on.
 
2014-03-13 11:52:32 AM  

iron_city_ap: Wait, you can get a beer for $4 at an arena !?


This right here. 20oz beers are $10 and $11 at St. Louis Blues games.
 
2014-03-13 12:44:41 PM  
I live in Boise, and watching the outrage over this has been hysterical. While things like the AG-GAG bill have been passed at the same time (a law preventing whistleblowers from video taping animal abuse at farms or meat plants), the refusal whole add the 4 words idaho thing (which is on-going), and the recent passing of a law that allows concealed weapons on college campuses, this silly beer issue has DOMINATED the news and attention of the locals. 

Idaho, always got our priorities out of whack.
 
2014-03-13 01:06:53 PM  
Didn't someone mention already they have different beef sizes between domestic and micros and that they were comparing the wrong larges to the wrong smalls?
 
2014-03-13 01:07:28 PM  
Eek, beer sizes heh :P
 
2014-03-13 01:09:37 PM  

doglover: Danger Mouse: I've seen this in bars and resturants  around town.  Most notabley it's  in Mexican resturants.  My wife had ordered a jumbo margaritta. It seemed HUGE. However the waitress left an empty normal size margarita glass on our table.  I decided to have some and poured the jumbo margarita into the empty, normal sized glass. To our surprise, the entire jumbo magarita  barely filled the normal sized glass. I tossed in some ice and it was clear the only difference in the two sizes was the amount of ice.

We also noticed this at another upscale mexican resturant that features premium margaritas which, if you want you can order a pitcher of margarittas. I noticed the margarita glasses that came with the pitcher were smaller than the standard glasses.  Once again, we took a normal sized margarita glass and poured from the pitcher and discovered the pitcher actually held 2.5 normal sized margaritas, but cost the price of 3.5 margarittas. If you used the smaller glasses you would pour just over 4 glasses thinking you got a slight break.

You fail at drinking margaritas if you could do this math.


Or they fail at making them. Clearly not enough booze.
 
2014-03-13 01:12:19 PM  
I have never understood the psyche of people who NEED to have a beer at a sporting event.  Friends who rarely drink even succumb to this urge, I don't understand it.  Are you just bored?
 
2014-03-13 01:15:16 PM  
I guess you could say these beers are... Less Filling.
 
2014-03-13 01:20:06 PM  

Strategeryz0r: I live in Boise, and watching the outrage over this has been hysterical. While things like the AG-GAG bill have been passed at the same time (a law preventing whistleblowers from video taping animal abuse at farms or meat plants), the refusal whole add the 4 words idaho thing (which is on-going), and the recent passing of a law that allows concealed weapons on college campuses, this silly beer issue has DOMINATED the news and attention of the locals.

Idaho, always got our priorities out of whack.


Well, you know conservatives, they want to make sure you don't feel guilty about the meat you eat, but they don't want you to go to school and leave your penis enhancer at home. I am sure next thing will be making sure that the drinking water that has been added some lovely chemicals to it by the fracking company, will have no worries about it from customers as the Idaho AG will probably find a way to block lawsuits in case anyone complains about health problems.
 
2014-03-13 01:40:00 PM  

Bob_Laublaw: I was just at a bar that featured a 16 OZ Pint and a 20 OZ Pint. That must be fun to see when you're OCD.


Well, they ARE both technically "pints".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pint#Imperial_pint
 
2014-03-13 01:52:38 PM  

DarkSoulNoHope: Strategeryz0r: I live in Boise, and watching the outrage over this has been hysterical. While things like the AG-GAG bill have been passed at the same time (a law preventing whistleblowers from video taping animal abuse at farms or meat plants), the refusal whole add the 4 words idaho thing (which is on-going), and the recent passing of a law that allows concealed weapons on college campuses, this silly beer issue has DOMINATED the news and attention of the locals.

Idaho, always got our priorities out of whack.

Well, you know conservatives, they want to make sure you don't feel guilty about the meat you eat, but they don't want you to go to school and leave your penis enhancer at home. I am sure next thing will be making sure that the drinking water that has been added some lovely chemicals to it by the fracking company, will have no worries about it from customers as the Idaho AG will probably find a way to block lawsuits in case anyone complains about health problems.


You're forgetting how they want to allow doctors/police/firefighters/paramedics to be able to deny their services to someone based on the fact they're gay. All in the name of "protecting freedom of religion."

But don't worry, we got that beer situation resolved. So everything here is cool.
 
2014-03-13 02:19:08 PM  

KidKorporate: yukichigai: Plush_Cthulhu: Heh, CenturyLink Field here in Seattle (Seahawks) had the same issue a few years ago.

http://seattletimes.com/html/seahawks/2013877469_hawkbeer08.html

So they can show a pattern of deliberate misrepresentation even.  Lovely.  That'll make the lawsuit go a lot smoother.

Related: I'd like to see a law that requires vendors to use the actual capacity in ounces as the name of the size you purchase.  No "large" and "small", they can only call it "16oz" and "20oz".  Not just for sports arenas either; amusement parks, carnivals, concert venues, outdoor markets... plenty of areas that pull the same crap.

So, Starbucks will actually be OK with the Venti, then?


Venti size is 24oz for many drinks.
 
2014-03-13 02:23:39 PM  
They were getting ripped off. Because they were buying American beer.

// Love in a canoe, etc.
 
2014-03-13 02:26:13 PM  

stewbert: I don't get angry about this kind of thing anymore. But, it's a very big reason why I don't attend events anymore, and rarely even go out for dinner. For me, feeling ripped off trumps anything positive about the experience.


That, plus maybe the fact that it will cost you at least $100 just to step into the stadium.
 
2014-03-13 02:29:44 PM  
Cheating a man on beer should be capital offense.
 
2014-03-13 02:33:39 PM  

Watubi: I have never understood the psyche of people who NEED to have a beer at a sporting event.  Friends who rarely drink even succumb to this urge, I don't understand it.  Are you just bored?

I have never understood the psyche of people who NEED to be at a sporting event.

 Friends who rarely drink even succumb to this urge, I don't understand it.  Are you just bored?
 
2014-03-13 02:45:03 PM  

Gothnet: This is why we in the UK have the weights and measures act. You can only sell beer in 1/3, 1/2 or full pints. You can only sell spirits in multiples of 25ml. You must not serve short measures.


Booze. It's serious business.


Why such small beers?
 
2014-03-13 02:49:18 PM  

Strategeryz0r: I live in Boise, and watching the outrage over this has been hysterical. While things like the AG-GAG bill have been passed at the same time (a law preventing whistleblowers from video taping animal abuse at farms or meat plants), the refusal whole add the 4 words idaho thing (which is on-going), and the recent passing of a law that allows concealed weapons on college campuses, this silly beer issue has DOMINATED the news and attention of the locals. 

Idaho, always got our priorities out of whack.


But I'm sure your priority of sitting around dictating what other people's priorities should be is spot on.
 
2014-03-13 03:08:36 PM  

stuffy: Cheating a man on beer should be capital offense.


It was according to the Code of Hammurabi.
 
2014-03-13 03:21:27 PM  

nytmare: Strategeryz0r: I live in Boise, and watching the outrage over this has been hysterical. While things like the AG-GAG bill have been passed at the same time (a law preventing whistleblowers from video taping animal abuse at farms or meat plants), the refusal whole add the 4 words idaho thing (which is on-going), and the recent passing of a law that allows concealed weapons on college campuses, this silly beer issue has DOMINATED the news and attention of the locals. 

Idaho, always got our priorities out of whack.

But I'm sure your priority of sitting around dictating what other people's priorities should be is spot on.


0/10
 
2014-03-13 03:43:18 PM  

Watubi: I have never understood the psyche of people who NEED to have a beer at a sporting event.  Friends who rarely drink even succumb to this urge, I don't understand it.  Are you just bored?


Um because watching sports and drinking beer go hand in hand?  Never heard of a sitcom bar, but there are thousands of sports bars.  It's not like coach is going to put me in.  May as well have a beer and enjoy the game.

Also, drinking beer in the sun at a baseball game (preferably at Wrigley) is pretty much the best thing ever.
 
2014-03-13 04:28:02 PM  
Chick-fil-a fries are nearly the same. There is virtually no difference between a small and large waffle fries.

/Anyone up for a class action?
 
2014-03-13 04:39:10 PM  
is it the same beer or is it $4 for a small miller lite versus $7 for a large anchor steam or something?
 
2014-03-13 06:51:33 PM  

Loadmaster: stewbert: I don't get angry about this kind of thing anymore. But, it's a very big reason why I don't attend events anymore, and rarely even go out for dinner. For me, feeling ripped off trumps anything positive about the experience.

That, plus maybe the fact that it will cost you at least $100 just to step into the stadium.


That too. But I can't even afford to go and have a good time if the tickets were free.
 
2014-03-14 03:35:06 AM  

5 star chef of tv dinners: Bob Falfa: How long had this been going on? It should have taken fans about 1 beer to notice this.

Can't figure it out on one beer.  You need at least two.  You gotta look at it this way.  First you order the small beer and drink it and then later you order a large beer and drink that.  That's when you first notice that the small and large maybe had the same about of beer but you aren't sure.  So you decide to order another large and small beer to test that theory.  You drink those but you aren't sure yet so you decide to increase your control group.  You down a couple more large and small beers to test it out and then you rip off your shirt and yell at the opposing teams goalie that their a biatch and you could take them in a one on one.  Repeat process each game and soon you realize why it took so long.


This^^
/Is well played
 
2014-03-14 07:48:46 AM  

meanmutton: Gothnet: This is why we in the UK have the weights and measures act. You can only sell beer in 1/3, 1/2 or full pints. You can only sell spirits in multiples of 25ml. You must not serve short measures.


Booze. It's serious business.

Why such small beers?



Assuming you're American, our pints are 25% larger than yours anyway, so it's not that small. A half pint would be roughly 10oz if I have my US units right, and the only time that it's acceptable to buy a 1/3 pint is if you're at a beer festival and you need to try them *all* before you fall over in a drunken heap.
 
2014-03-14 02:49:17 PM  
This is something that happens everyday in nearly every bar across America.  The glasses look like they are different sizes but they aren't.  Beer glasses and mugs are the easiest ones to pass off to the unsuspecting patron.  No one looks at the glass thickness, they look at the height and width of the opening.  The same thing happens with the different cocktail glasses.  They can be bought with the same capacity but look completely different and they appear you get more.

/drinking outside the home is a scam
//don't do it; unless it's free
///3's  yeah!
 
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